Part 2: 25 albums derived from a 23 poll series
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Topic: Part 2: 25 albums derived from a 23 poll series
Posted By: Logan
Subject: Part 2: 25 albums derived from a 23 poll series
Date Posted: June 03 2023 at 20:35
This is the second poll I have made which is curated from a series of 23 polls with 25 options each about a year ago where I went down the Rate Your Music (RYM) General Music chart looking at albums that were also included in Prog Archives. It would have been much easier just looking at Rate Your Music's prog chart, but we have differences in classification.
While I covered Proto-Prog and Prog Related (according to PA) acts' albums in the series, I have not included those in these polls.
I have tried not to duplicate any act names that were in the first poll of this new series, and when I do a third poll I shall endeavor not to include any band/artist names that were in the first two polls. If I do a tenth, all bets are off!
The first poll included the "Prog" (according to PA categories) albums that received five votes or more in the polls of the earlier series. This covers many, but not all, of those that received four and three votes (25 options is the max for polls here). You will notice in the list below that there is one that received seven votes. That was an omission on my part. The Rotters' Club even got my vote in the poll it was in -- that and Gong's Angel's Egg were my top two for that round, but I gave it to Hatfield. I had meant to put it in the last poll, but distractions happen.
The poll order follows RYM's ranking from higher to lower in their list of albums. I chose the album for the polls by an artist/band that received the most votes (one per artist) in my earlier poll series. If an act had more than one album with the same number of votes, then I went with the one that was ranked higher at RYM. I considered, say with Zappa defaulting to a studio album with less votes, but decided to go with the album with the most votes. Not really comfortable with that, but....
An album's standing, meaning its number number of votes, in its poll of the series would have been affected by its competition in any given poll. That earlier series did not have multiple votes, If I had enabled multiple votes, then I am sure I would not be doing this one.
Here is this poll's list with the number of votes:
Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom (4) The Mars Volta - De-Loused in the Comatorium (4) Opeth - Damnation (4) Porcupine Tree - Deadwing (4) Swans - Children of God (3) T2 - It'll All Work Out in Boomland (3) The Moody Blues with the LFO - Days of Future Passed (3) Eskaton - 4 Visions (3) Premiata Forneria Marconi - Per un amico (3) Tangerine Dream - Phaedra (3) Peter Hammill - The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage (3) Änglagård - Hybris (3) Picchio dal Pozzo - Picchio dal Pozzo (3) Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Io sono nato libero (4) Area - Arbeit macht frei (3) Herbie Hancock - Crossings (3) Phoenix - Cantofabule (3) Hatfield and the North - The Rotters' Club (7)* (great album missed before) Grobschnitt - Solar Music: Live (3) Traffic - John Barleycorn Must Die (3) Colosseum - Valentyne Suite (4) Zappa - Zappa in New York (4) Hawkwind - Warrior on the Edge of Time (4) Steve Hillage - Fish Rising (4) The Pentangle - Basket of Light (4)
This round, multiple votes are enabled. Vote for up to 10 albums.
Here is the first topic with poll: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=131024" rel="nofollow - 25 album choices derived from a 23 poll series (THIS IS A HYPERTEXTLINK CLICK)
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I have more favourites this round than last, and had I had more than 25 options, an all-time favourite album of mine would have come up in two more spaces.
My votes go to:
Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom Swans - Children of God Eskaton - 4 Visions Tangerine Dream - Phaedra Peter Hammill - The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage Area - Arbeit macht frei Herbie Hancock - Crossings Hatfield and the North - The Rotters' Club The Pentangle - Basket of Light Picchio dal Pozzo - Picchio dal Pozzo
For my tenth I would vote for Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Io sono nato libero, but I choose to vote for less than 10 and those other nine are like desert island disc to me.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 03 2023 at 21:13
Another great list. This time, however, it’s an easy pick for me. PFM.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 03 2023 at 21:18
Manuel wrote:
Another great list. This time, however, it’s an easy pick for me. PFM. | That would be number 11 methinks. Great album, and if it were Storia di un minuto then I think PFM would have got a tenth vote (only tenth because there is much I love here). It's a strong showing for the Italians.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 03 2023 at 23:46
An easy choice this time...
The Moody Blues - Days of Future Passed
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 00:04
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 00:19
Zappa is better live anyway.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 00:44
Traffic over Wyatt, Hammill and The Pentangle.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 01:05
The cream of the crop with Hatfield And The North, Anglagard, Porcupine Tree, T2 and Opeth making my top 5 today. Went with "Damnation" an album that clicked with me while driving my family through Virginia, they were all sleeping while I was immersed in the music.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 02:46
So many favorites here it's not even funny. Among the three most important albums of my life:
Herbie Hancock - Crossings * Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom * Swans - Children of God
Still five stars:
Tangerine Dream - Phaedra * Peter Hammill - The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage
4.5's:
The Pentangle - Basket of Light Picchio dal Pozzo - Picchio dal Pozzo Eskaton - 4 Visions
Hatfield and the North - The Rotters' Club
Area - Arbeit macht frei Hawkwind - Warrior on the Edge of Time
4:
Premiata Forneria Marconi - Per un amico
Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Io sono nato libero Traffic - John Barleycorn Must Die Steve Hillage - Fish Rising
-I suppose voting for the five first seems logic.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 02:49
+T2's Boomland & Moody Blues' Days.. are solid four stars for me as well.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 02:53
I made the same mistake, this is a multiple choice poll 
Some more votes: Opeth Porcupine Tree T2 Colosseum
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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 04:11
Great list Hammill got my vote
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Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 04:41
These are probably my ten favourites without any order.
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing T2 - It'll All Work Out in Boomland Eskaton - 4 Visions Premiata Forneria Marconi - Per un amico Tangerine Dream - Phaedra Peter Hammill - The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage Änglagard - Hybris Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Io sono nato libero Area - Arbeit macht frei Hawkwind - Warrior on the Edge of Time
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 05:00
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 05:04
The Moodys, Steve Hillage, and PFM.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 05:04
Once more too many good albums to pick a clear winner; it could be around seven here depending on my mood. I go with Fish Rising today.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 05:07
Lewian wrote:
Once more too many good albums to pick a clear winner; it could be around seven here depending on my mood. I go with Fish Rising today.
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it's a multiple vote poll.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 05:12
Cristi wrote:
Lewian wrote:
Once more too many good albums to pick a clear winner; it could be around seven here depending on my mood. I go with Fish Rising today.
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it's a multiple vote poll. |
Argh! Part one was one vote. But fair play telling me!
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 05:32
The Mars Volta - De-Loused in the Comatorium Opeth - Damnation T2 - It'll All Work Out in Boomland The Moody Blues with the LFO - Days of Future Passed Eskaton - 4 Visions Premiata Forneria Marconi - Per un amico Änglagard - Hybris Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Io sono nato libero Phoenix - Cantofabule The Pentangle - Basket of Light
------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 06:52
Porcupine Tree - DeadwingHerbie Hancock - CrossingsPremiata Forneria Marconi - Per un amico Änglagard - Hybris Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Io sono nato libero Area - Arbeit macht frei Hatfield and the North - The Rotters' Club Grobschnitt - Solar Music: Live Traffic - John Barleycorn Must Die Zappa- New York
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 06:55
Lewian wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Lewian wrote:
Once more too many good albums to pick a clear winner; it could be around seven here depending on my mood. I go with Fish Rising today.
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it's a multiple vote poll. |
Argh! Part one was one vote. But fair play telling me!
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I initially made the same mistake. 
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 07:50
PT, TD, Hawkwind & Moodies for me...
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 08:47
^ I also voted for TD, so our music appreciation does converge. Just not as much as in film from my observations.
Cristi wrote:
Lewian wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Lewian wrote:
Once more too many good albums to pick a clear winner; it could be around seven here depending on my mood. I go with Fish Rising today.
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it's a multiple vote poll. |
Argh! Part one was one vote. But fair play telling me!
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I initially made the same mistake.  |
Il's better than, as happened recently in another poll since I have so commonly done multiple vote polls, I voted for "x" even though I prefer "y" because I thought this would be a multiple vote poll. :) Happened quite afew times. I used to like to play around with the poll question in unusual ways like, vote for your third favourite album in the list, vote for the one that would best ruin your party etc.. Playful, and it got some people upset.
When it comes to the most popular names I am less likely to do multiple vote polls. This is in part borne of my experiences making polls years ago with certain big names and knowing that the feature was being abused when those names were in the poll. It just takes one bad egg to spoil an omelette.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 09:22
I always vote for my favourite first. That way, it doesn't matter if multiple votes are enabled or not. And once I have cast my first vote, I can see if multiple votes are enabled or not without being told by the OP. Anyway, I vote for: Premiata Forneria Marconi - Per un amico Peter Hammill - The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage Änglagard - Hybris Hawkwind - Warrior on the Edge of Time Steve Hillage - Fish Rising
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 10:05
Not many here that I like. Pentangle, Anglagard, Colosseum, PFM and Opeth are the only ones I'd listen to regularly. Anglagard get my vote.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 10:12
I prophesy disaster wrote:
I always vote for my favourite first. That way, it doesn't matter if multiple votes are enabled or not. And once I have cast my first vote, I can see if multiple votes are enabled or not without being told by the OP. Anyway, I vote for: Premiata Forneria Marconi - Per un amico Peter Hammill - The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage Änglagard - Hybris Hawkwind - Warrior on the Edge of Time Steve Hillage - Fish Rising
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^ That's a good strategy, I always post before I vote, and sometimes I miss what is being asked, but too late I posted and voted. For instance, I have missed that the question was not favourite but innovative, impactful (that happened to me within the last few days) or some question outside of one's mere preference -- if it's a poll that includes Geddy Lee and modern Steve Howe, I check to make sure that it's not vote for the sauciest.
I have never had an issue that could not be corrected adequately with multiple votes -- corrected by voting for more and editing my post, although some are faster to point out my error than I am to correct it even if I realise as soon as I post, and I'm like damn you're too fast to point out any and all mistakes before I can correct them less obtrusively. I don't usually vote for the wrong one (like my second or third choice) when it's preference based because my default assumption is that it is not multiple votes unless I read it. So I do go for my favourite first when I don't know. In a poll like this where I might vote for mny, I choose what I will vote for first, post that, then I just go down the list clicking my favourites (easier for me). I do often forget to vote altogether, but to my the posting and post are the enjoyable par. I guess it's like the mindset of the person who just likes to look at ratings and rankings and those who like to dive in and read then reviews. I do both.
On more than one occasion the OP did not mention it was multiple votes, but I became aware of it because one option had considerably more votes than one would expect in the time (an enthusiastic and impish OP probably). Soon people that abuse these polls will be punished with electric shocks that travel to their devices, this is the next step in moderating forums and social media platforms generally when AI takes over. For what seems a mistake, the shock will be rather less lethal.
I really like that Peter Hammill album -- it's one of the most solid five star albums in PA for me.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 12:48
^ One of the problems with allowing multiple votes is that there is no indication that one has voted. So, when one has voted, one needs to post that one has voted. When the thread is revisited later after one has forgotten if they have voted, one can then look back through the thread for a post to indicate if they have voted. Even in the case where multiple votes are not allowed, the "You have already voted in this poll" message that indicates one has voted disappears, although the system does remember that a second vote is not to be allowed.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 13:59
I prophesy disaster wrote:
^ One of the problems with allowing multiple votes is that there is no indication that one has voted. So, when one has voted, one needs to post that one has voted. When the thread is revisited later after one has forgotten if they have voted, one can then look back through the thread for a post to indicate if they have voted. Even in the case where multiple votes are not allowed, the "You have already voted in this poll" message that indicates one has voted disappears, although the system does remember that a second vote is not to be allowed.
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I had that same problem too when I accidentally voted for the Moody Blues twice. 
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: June 04 2023 at 14:14
My selection, in order of evaluation:
1) Wyatt 2) Area 3) Hammill 4) Swans 5) Hatfield 6) Per un amico 7) The Mars Volta 8) Picchio dal Pozzo 9) Colosseum 10) T2
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: June 05 2023 at 13:52
About 25% of these could be my vote. The one, though, is Fish Rishing. Days of Future Passed, Hybris, and Crossings were also considered. 
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Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: June 05 2023 at 15:47
Opeth BMS Anglagard Area Steve Hillage Porcupine Tree Eskaton PFM T2 and seven more.
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Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: June 05 2023 at 21:52
Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom Peter Hammill - The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage Traffic - John Barleycorn Must Die Steve Hillage - Fish Rising
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 05 2023 at 23:14
^ Your top two are top albums to me. I made a poll with First Utterance, The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage, and Rock Bottom with a title I was quite proud of once called The First Utterance of The Silent Bottom. Quite surreal, I thought.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: June 06 2023 at 09:10
Put those three albums together and you're in the core of the surreal.
I only got to know Rock Bottom a few years ago when I read a Coil interview where John Balance praised it. I had heard some other Robert Wyatt stuff, but didn't care much of it. Fanboy that I was, I thought I have to check this out since it's Coil-approved. And when I did, oh boy. I'll check if I find a link to that interview.
I haven't listened to the Silent Corner... for a while. Must fix that soon. Van der Graaf Generator played here in Finland a year and a half or so ago. For some brexit-related passport reason, Guy Evans couldn't make it so it was just Peter and Hugh Banton. They had to rethink their setlist quickly (they told this in a facebook post I remember) and included The Lie (Bernini's Saint Teresa) off of Silent Corner. That was one definite highlght of the gig.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 06 2023 at 14:54
Tangerine Dream Hawkwind Herbie Hancock
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