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Topic: Sampling of prog songsPosted By: Sem__
Subject: Sampling of prog songs
Date Posted: July 28 2023 at 11:50
The Gentle Giant Twitter account posted today that a song of theirs (Proclemation of the power and the glory) had been sampled in the opening track of a new Travis Scott album. I am no fan of hip-hop, at all, but I think its... funny? cool? To see prog tracks being used in modern pop music. I remember Kanye West sampled Jon Anderson's vocals from a Mike Oldfield song, but that's it. Anyone know any other good examples?
The song with a sample from GG:
Replies: Posted By: Error Code 864G
Date Posted: July 28 2023 at 12:09
I believe that Kanye also sampled 21st Century Schizoid Man in his song "Power"
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Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: July 28 2023 at 12:16
DJ Shadow used samples from Tangerine Dream and Pekka Pohjola for two songs on his Endtroducing album:
Posted By: Sem__
Date Posted: July 28 2023 at 14:46
The Madvillain song is nice, surprised to see more GG samples. Jazzrock-fusion does make more sense as a sample.
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: July 28 2023 at 15:02
I really don't know. Aside from prog, I listen to blues, classical or jazz, that's it. Sometimes some world music as well, but not that often. Hip-hop, modern pop, rap, etc, don't really get me excited.
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: July 28 2023 at 15:19
A lot of Steely Dan has been sampled.
Posted By: auxfnx
Date Posted: July 28 2023 at 15:50
Some De La Soul picks to start off...
Yes - The Ritual
Rick Wakeman - Catherine of Aragon
Gentle Giant - The Advent of Panurge
And now for some others!
10cc - The Worst Band In The World
Yes - Heart of the Sunrise
Eberhard Weber - Sand-Glass
Animals As Leaders - Monomyth
Return to Forever - The Romantic Warrior
Discovering samples I recognised from hip hop tracks on prog records when previewing records in the record store is a massive part of why I fell in love with prog to begin with :)
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: July 28 2023 at 21:44
Sem__ wrote:
The Gentle Giant Twitter account posted today that a song of theirs (Proclemation of the power and the glory) had been sampled in the opening track of a new Travis Scott album. I am no fan of hip-hop, at all, but I think its... funny? cool? To see prog tracks being used in modern pop music. I remember Kanye West sampled Jon Anderson's vocals from a Mike Oldfield song, but that's it. Anyone know any other good examples?
The song with a sample from GG:
If this is the track I think it is, expect a music video that was mainly executive produced by my mom. She won't get credit, her boss will. But she (her boss) was on vacation, in addition to most of the other team, so mom really did all the other non-location work for the shoot. She doesn't mind though, as long as she gets paid, she has no interest in getting the credit. Been in the game too long to give a heck. Off-topic, I know, but wanted to mention it anyway. Apparently Travis Scott is very difficult to work with.
Posted By: Error Code 864G
Date Posted: July 28 2023 at 22:05
Awesoreno wrote:
Sem__ wrote:
The Gentle Giant Twitter account posted today that a song of theirs (Proclemation of the power and the glory) had been sampled in the opening track of a new Travis Scott album. I am no fan of hip-hop, at all, but I think its... funny? cool? To see prog tracks being used in modern pop music. I remember Kanye West sampled Jon Anderson's vocals from a Mike Oldfield song, but that's it. Anyone know any other good examples?
The song with a sample from GG:
If this is the track I think it is, expect a music video that was mainly executive produced by my mom. She won't get credit, her boss will. But she (her boss) was on vacation, in addition to most of the other team, so mom really did all the other non-location work for the shoot. She doesn't mind though, as long as she gets paid, she has no interest in getting the credit. Been in the game too long to give a heck. Off-topic, I know, but wanted to mention it anyway. Apparently Travis Scott is very difficult to work with.
Thats so cool! Does she make music videos for people often? That sounds like a very cool job!
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: July 29 2023 at 00:02
This dope joint sampled Fugue in D Minor by Egg
Posted By: Sem__
Date Posted: July 29 2023 at 03:56
Its a small world huh, Awesome fact man.
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: July 29 2023 at 23:57
Error Code 864G wrote:
Awesoreno wrote:
Sem__ wrote:
The Gentle Giant Twitter account posted today that a song of theirs (Proclemation of the power and the glory) had been sampled in the opening track of a new Travis Scott album. I am no fan of hip-hop, at all, but I think its... funny? cool? To see prog tracks being used in modern pop music. I remember Kanye West sampled Jon Anderson's vocals from a Mike Oldfield song, but that's it. Anyone know any other good examples?
The song with a sample from GG:
If this is the track I think it is, expect a music video that was mainly executive produced by my mom. She won't get credit, her boss will. But she (her boss) was on vacation, in addition to most of the other team, so mom really did all the other non-location work for the shoot. She doesn't mind though, as long as she gets paid, she has no interest in getting the credit. Been in the game too long to give a heck. Off-topic, I know, but wanted to mention it anyway. Apparently Travis Scott is very difficult to work with.
Thats so cool! Does she make music videos for people often? That sounds like a very cool job!
She works with a production company as a producer. Historically, she's done a lot of work in advertising. And well before I was born she worked for production companies at many famous studios on several tv shows and a few movies, most notably Aaron Spelling Production under Douglas Kramer. This isn't her first music vid, but she doesn't do them often. Apparently this Travis Scott one was a nightmare though.
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 30 2023 at 07:01
If I were a prog artist and hear my stuff sampled by a rapper, I would give up to the possible earnings and ask the samples to be removed.
About the hip-hop, pop stuff and their likes, I think that there's so much good music around that I don't see a reason for wasting time with them. I have only one life and maybe it won't be enough to listen to all the existing good prog at least once.
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: July 31 2023 at 01:39
Here's an uncommon example of modern prog "sampling" a 70s prog classic.
At 6:34 timestamp there's a guitar lick that bears striking resemblance to the "main" motif off Dancing with the Moonlit Knight by Genesis. xD This has to be intentional.
Posted By: edefakiel
Date Posted: July 31 2023 at 01:39
I tried to listen to the things that you people have posted, but I just can't stand a 3 second loop with the word nigga repeated arrythmically on top of it for minutes on end. That must be the least progressive "music" in the world.
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: July 31 2023 at 01:42
I just can't stand a 3 second loop with the word nigga repeated
This is precisely why the only type of hip hop I listen to is Polish conscious/ambitious hip hop.
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: July 31 2023 at 01:56
edefakiel wrote:
I tried to listen to the things that you people have posted, but I just can't stand a 3 second loop with the word nigga repeated arrythmically on top of it for minutes on end. That must be the least progressive "music" in the world.
I posted because of relevance and not because they're personal favorites (a couple of the ones I included I even dislike), but is there really all that much of that thing going on in the songs here?
Posted By: edefakiel
Date Posted: August 01 2023 at 11:54
Saperlipopette! wrote:
edefakiel wrote:
I tried to listen to the things that you people have posted, but I just can't stand a 3 second loop with the word nigga repeated arrythmically on top of it for minutes on end. That must be the least progressive "music" in the world.
I posted because of relevance and not because they're personal favorites (a couple of the ones I included I even dislike), but is there really all that much of that thing going on in the songs here?
You tell me:
(Edited for not posting full lyrics)
Free my niggas inside, all them niggas that died
Rest in peace to my niggas, I hope they live in the sky
Pour out some liquor, load your fifth up for your niggas and ride
For your niggas that got hit bad and didn't survive
Sometimes I feel like, I'm the realest nigga alive
Since we was kicking doors, four niggas divvying pie
They ain't believe me when I told niggas the city was mines
Now look at me though, Buffalo nigga
That's a real nigga, that's a fact
Maybe God ain't want me killing them niggas and doing time
When I script and then it's strictly for my niggas (woo)
'Member that f**k nigga pulled up using his chrome
Hit the back of my head and neck, I should've died, nigga
I feel like my nigga Dunce kept me alive, nigga
Slapping my face like, "Bruh, open your eyes, nigga"
Shaking my head like, "f**k that, you can't die, nigga"
Only real sh*t what I provide, nigga
I wrote this sh*t with the tears in my eyes, nigga
Now they gotta consider me top five, nigga
You hearing my sh*t, is you surprised, nigga?
And them same niggas that laughed and joked
Dope piling, my nigga doing fifty in the mountains
A nigga gorgeous, rice pilaf and swordfish
These niggas wanna hang me on the cross
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: August 06 2023 at 09:46
I don't like that word because of its asymmetrical meaning. It's different when a black person uses it, and different when a white person uses it. It's so confusing!
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 06 2023 at 10:22
edefakiel wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
edefakiel wrote:
I tried to listen to the things that you people have posted, but I just can't stand a 3 second loop with the word nigga repeated arrythmically on top of it for minutes on end. That must be the least progressive "music" in the world.
I posted because of relevance and not because they're personal favorites (a couple of the ones I included I even dislike), but is there really all that much of that thing going on in the songs here?
You tell me:
Oh you meant one song. I don't care anyway. They can sing (or rap) it as much as they like.
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 06 2023 at 11:38
There is another thread on this site that gets into a lot of detail about this, its from several years ago.
Posted By: edefakiel
Date Posted: August 06 2023 at 11:40
Saperlipopette! wrote:
edefakiel wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
edefakiel wrote:
I tried to listen to the things that you people have posted, but I just can't stand a 3 second loop with the word nigga repeated arrythmically on top of it for minutes on end. That must be the least progressive "music" in the world.
I posted because of relevance and not because they're personal favorites (a couple of the ones I included I even dislike), but is there really all that much of that thing going on in the songs here?
You tell me:
Oh you meant one song. I don't care anyway. They can sing (or rap) it as much as they like.
No Hard Feelings: If the nigga by the furnace in the basement of the building...
Saltwater: That overlooks a graveyard full of cancelled niggas...
The words is used in at least 3 of the 7 songs that you posted.
So, no. I didn't mean one song. I just pointed out the most egregious one.
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 06 2023 at 12:53
edefakiel wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
edefakiel wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
edefakiel wrote:
I tried to listen to the things that you people have posted, but I just can't stand a 3 second loop with the word nigga repeated arrythmically on top of it for minutes on end. That must be the least progressive "music" in the world.
I posted because of relevance and not because they're personal favorites (a couple of the ones I included I even dislike), but is there really all that much of that thing going on in the songs here?
You tell me:
Oh you meant one song. I don't care anyway. They can sing (or rap) it as much as they like.
No Hard Feelings: If the nigga by the furnace in the basement of the building...
Saltwater: That overlooks a graveyard full of cancelled niggas...
The words is used in at least 3 of the 7 songs that you posted.
So, no. I didn't mean one song. I just pointed out the most egregious one.
Ok. You exaggerated, and we think differently. For me they can use whatever words they like. I didn't really take notice while listening, but those lyrics are fine to me. It's just their way of using words, and completely irrelevant as to whether I think music is progressive or not (although that's beside the point in this context).
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: August 06 2023 at 13:11
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 06 2023 at 23:57
Error Code 864G wrote:
I believe that Kanye also sampled 21st Century Schizoid Man in his song "Power"
Yes he did! His Highness Robert Fripp was NOT amused by that!
If Bob had played his card right, he could have had Kanye rap on top of Fripp's Soundscapes....they both would have cleaned up!
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Posted By: auxfnx
Date Posted: November 15 2023 at 07:10
Aesop Rock has sampled Rascal Reporters' 'Stabbing at Air' on his new album!
Posted By: auxfnx
Date Posted: February 25 2024 at 16:39
Billy Woods, sample of Picchio dal Pozzo's Seppia
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 26 2024 at 05:42
Hi,
I imagine that within 10 years, almost all music will be said to be "sampled" in some way or form. It's not like we can not hear things these days, going back some 500 years or more ... and easily copy a small part or two.
Heck, classical music has been sampled/copied even more! I think Beethoven and Strauss are waiting for folks to copy them (or sample) so they can turn over in their graves and laugh. No one will remember these folks, but the originals are still there!
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 26 2024 at 05:53
auxfnx wrote:
Billy Woods, sample of Picchio dal Pozzo's Seppia
Yes, I posted it on the first page, and it's "discussed" a couple of posts over here. I think Billy Woods/Armand Hammer/Euclid/Kenny Segal's use of samples are always spot on and very original.
Posted By: auxfnx
Date Posted: February 27 2024 at 09:09
Saperlipopette! wrote:
auxfnx wrote:
Billy Woods, sample of Picchio dal Pozzo's Seppia
Yes, I posted it on the first page, and it's "discussed" a couple of posts over here. I think Billy Woods/Armand Hammer/Euclid/Kenny Segal's use of samples are always spot on and very original.
oops! nice one. i just stumbled upon it listening to the Picchio dal Pozzo album for the first time, had that 'oh sh*t i know that from being sampled!!' moment and just ran here to share :)
i agree, the Backwoodz albums have great use of sampling. this Woods album was produced by a producer called Preservation :)
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: February 27 2024 at 09:31
Posted By: TheLionOfPrague
Date Posted: May 06 2025 at 20:12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=429OGJB-0v8&pp=ygUlb3V0a2FzdCBkYSBhcnQgb2Ygc3Rvcnl0ZWxsaW5nIHBhcnQgMg%3D%3D" rel="nofollow - Outkast - Da Art of Storytelling 2
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