Led Zeppelin?
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Topic: Led Zeppelin?
Posted By: dima_olkov
Subject: Led Zeppelin?
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 02:59
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I thought maybe it's a good idea to include LZ to Progarchives list... Let's see - Deep Purple is here, Queen, Styx... I think Zeppelin should be either Proto-prog or Prog Related. Many of their songs have prog elements. Just a couple of examples: 1) Ocean - unusual time signature 2) Song remains the same, Stairway to heaven, No quarter (great song)!! 3) Quite many long songs... sometimes very complicated onces.. If Deep Purple is proto-prog, led zeppelin should be there too.. What do you think? ------------- PF, Genesis, KC, Yes, VdGG, GG, Camel, Jethro Tull |
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 05:51
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I love Zep but NO.This has been discussed and debated many times over,use the search feature to see how many threads deal with this subject. Again...........NO And IMO the Deep Purple addition was wrong too. And don't start up the whole Queen and Styx debate again,what a mess that was. -------------  |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 05:54
Kashmir is my Led Zep favourite song!!!! Led Zeppelin III's Friends is another great gem! |
dima_olkov wrote:Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 05:57
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So....let's put them in because they had a FEW songs with slightly proggy moments????? Yeesh ------------- |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 06:03
If not included we would lose that their proggy moments!!!! For me Friends and Kashmir are only the most evident examples! |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 06:08
I am sorry if I seemed rude but I have never attempted to hide my utter disdain for the prog related and proto prog categories. I think they provide a very large umbrella under which all kinds of bands,who are in NO WAY prog,could be construed as prog. Zeppelin is one of my favorite bands,but they had far more of an influence on the development of hard rock/heavy metal than progressive rock. I also don't think a band should be included here because a song or two in their large body of work is considered proggy. ------------- |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 06:13
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NOOOO!!!!! Meaning I agree with the No's!!!! Led Zep are a favourite group of mine and whilist one or two songs might have some prog attributes they are not a prog band. Whether or not certain other bands like Deep Purple should be included on a prog site is a different question........ |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 06:15
Don't worry! It's always a pleasure to discuss with a person who has different opinions! I only want to underline the fact that in the prog scenario's reality not always all is white or black! Also the historic prog bands had had non prog albums (Yes and Genesis, for example, not VdGG, nor Peter Hammill!). So to be absolutely correct we should remove all their albums that is difficult to fit in the prog category! |
Posted By: S Lang
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 06:17
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Zep should be here without a question. And preferably without the painful stigma of "proto-prog". For one, I used to sing Zep covers in my youth. That's quiet a challenge and the vocals of Plant are truly exceptional and groundbreaking, qualifying for prog any day. That's not mentioning the rest of the extremely inspiring and talented musicians featured - on the side..... Now, if anyone would want to include them as proto-metal...? I'd rather do away with that "proto" nonsense in the first place. PROnTO! |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 06:22
So,your ONLY requirement for a band to be prog is for all the musicians to be very talented? ------------- |
Posted By: jackinthegreen
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 06:33
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Led Zeppelin is prog, at least as much as Uriah Heep.
And don't forget Zep used the theremin! ------------- I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them fall away. |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 06:33
ello jody i am sorry that i did not reply on the chat as i was away fixing a wireless access point...anyways i would say that Led zeppelin is far from being as progressive as deep purple...just because you like led zeppelin does not mean it is prog  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 06:45
But Yes and Genesis have a significant proportion of their output that is clearly prog. Therefore they are included here. Of course the question arises as to what constitutes a "significant proportion", but feel that Led Zeppelin don't have it. ------------- Be or be not. There is no question. - Yoda, Prince of Denmark |
Posted By: Martin.W
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 06:48
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Zeppelin are most certainly worthy of inclusion in prog-archives. Although they are usually lumped in with hard rock/heavy metal, being forerunners, even definers of the genre, they defy this simple catergorisation. For example, Zep III's acoustic songs indicate a folk influence to their music which is developed on the fourth album (i.e. The Battle of Evermore). Houses of the Holy includes the classic No Quarter, a "prog " track if ever there was one, complete with synthesised bass and piano. Okay, got my drift? Let's just list a few more examples: Kashmir, In the Light, Achilles' Last Stand (covered by Dream Theater), Carouselambra. Not convinced? Are Zep just your straightforward hard rock band? I think not. If experimentation with the form, a pushing of the parameters, and the inclusion of a diverse range of instrumentation is a hallmark of prog-rock then Zeppelin certainly meet the criteria. Many of today's prog-metal bands would acknowledge Zep's influence and inspiration, just ask Dream Theater, Opeth, Porcupine Tree et al. I rest my case. ------------- Mart, the Old Progger is Listening to: Opeth - Ghost Reveries Roy Harper - Stormcock Yes - Topographic Oceans Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking Steve Hillage - L Hawkwind - 1st LP |
Posted By: jackinthegreen
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 06:54
 ------------- I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them fall away. |
Posted By: jackinthegreen
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 06:57
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Oooops! Martin W. does'nt wrote <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica,
sans- serif" size=2>, etcetera... Sorry! ------------- I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them fall away. |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 07:04
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Ah well there are several artists that can be using 10 diffrent diffrent kinds of music, there are several artists that have longer and more experimental tracks and Dream theater opeth and porcupine tree ofcourse got several influences that is surely not prog...(Dream theater also covered elton john.) While led zeppelin might be pushing the prog aspect on some tracks it is far from enough to be concidered a prog band ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 07:14
| It seems to be very personally about an addition from Led Zeppelin! I think it is a matter of time, despite the fact that some reviewers and collaborators are not realy pleased with it. I'm not pleased with lots of additions but I keep on saying that Prog Archives has scooped a precedent by adding bands like Queen, Talk Talk and Radiohead. You can keep on fulminating against an addition of Led Zeppelin but only justice is done when Led Zeppelin has been added to this site because even it's prooved by 'A Progrock Court' that Led Zeppelin only have some progressive moments, they still deserve an addition after Queen, Radiohead, Talk Talk, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Vangelis, JM Jarre, etc., etc.,! |
Posted By: dima_olkov
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 07:19
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If someone tells me that Uriah Heep's "Demons and Wizards", "Firefly" or what not are more proggish than any of LZ work I will laugh aloud... I disagree that Deep Purple has more prog moments/elements than LZ. There should be justice... I think Zeps HAVE to be included to the archives. ------------- PF, Genesis, KC, Yes, VdGG, GG, Camel, Jethro Tull |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 07:20
Personally I would add Led Zeppelin as prog related and I would not have added Queen. But in my role in the Band Admissions Team I would vote against the inclusion of Led Zeppelin. It's too bad that the team wasn't in place when Queen were added ... I'm sure that they would have been rejected. I guess it's no use crying over spilled milk ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 07:24
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Yes i also feel that it was alot easier to add artists in the past...however i think only proto-prog artists should be the artists that would inspire the truly progressive artists of the 70's ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: dima_olkov
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 07:50
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Pardon my ignorance, but how many people decide for a new band in the archives??? ------------- PF, Genesis, KC, Yes, VdGG, GG, Camel, Jethro Tull |
Posted By: rockandrail
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 07:59
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Led Zeppelin is a lot more progressive than any so called progressive metal bands. Accepting dozens of five stars reviews of something like Octavarium and refusing any Led Zeppelin is just a silly joke.
------------- Pierre R, the man who lost his signature |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 08:20
This is the point, Citanul. What does constitute "significant proportion"? The expression itself, is only a subjective estimation. Many have tried to make an objective and valid so called "progometer", but miserely failed. That "significant proportion" you're talking about, would, in your words, give the right to include all the discography of a band...It's exactly what I'm saying about Led Zeppelin, Blue Oyster Cult and Doors! |
Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 08:22
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the proggiest led zeppelin song has to be 'How Many More Times' from the first album. The eerie middle section is one of the most original and strangest compositions of the late 60s for me. Led Zeppelin is very progressive indeed ... proto-prog metal but it probably doesn't sound very 'prog-like' like the bands listed in this site.
putting led zeppelin is like putting Jimi Hendrix, Neil Young or the Beatles.
PS : Why isn't Al Dimeola here?? (virtuosic prog classical jazz-fusion) |
Posted By: dima_olkov
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 08:34
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I agree about Al Di Meola... that is really really strange... maybe we should create another thread about him ------------- PF, Genesis, KC, Yes, VdGG, GG, Camel, Jethro Tull |
Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 08:43
Well, I think you should include the whole discography, otherwise you get into arguments as to which albums should be left out. And you're right about it being subjective. You think Zeppelin should be here, and I think that they shouldn't (although I'm not going to complain about it if they do get included at some point). That's why we now have the Band Admissions Team to make these decisions for us. ------------- Be or be not. There is no question. - Yoda, Prince of Denmark |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 08:52
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I am astounded how many people approve of their inclusion. ------------- |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 08:56
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Prog Releted?? ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: eduardossc
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 09:19
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Oh please ˇˇ. If people keep looking for bands to be included in this site for making a few songs "out of the ordinary". Which in fact are nothing but quality songs, one day we´ll be reading on every band in history with the single exception of "The Ramones". Stop wondering ˇˇˇ. That´s why we have now Purple, Uriah heep, Queen and many more that once wrote a song with a shine of creativity. Each genre received a name for a reason. Dude #1.- "Ey ˇˇˇ. Did you listen to that?...WOW ˇˇ, that was a 9/6 signature (Or whatever, I don´t understand music that well), right there from minute 2:35 to 2:39....could this be prog? Dude #2 thinking.- "What?, I could not say" saying.- "Yeah it was great. this should be prog" Dude #3.- "Have you heard this new prog band ?, they are really amazing, their music has every single prog element" Dude #15,000.- "Should The white stripes be in prog archives?" Prog archives´ overall list in 3 years from now: "White stripes # 29" (Above Zarathustra)
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 09:52
...Dude # 100.000...think mailto:M@x - M@x would be so happy...!!!! |
