Complete King Crimson: 2nd Album
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Topic: Complete King Crimson: 2nd Album
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Subject: Complete King Crimson: 2nd Album
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 01:00
 1970: King Crimson - In the Wake of Poseidon - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzACr6Ouh9_W0uCtYbp5O6gV" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzACr6Ouh9_W0uCtYbp5O6gV  1975: Robert Fripp & Brian Eno - Evening Star - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbnpw-XH5DOH38Q_SlnqaRLI79iKQK1Wv" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbnpw-XH5DOH38Q_SlnqaRLI79iKQK1Wv 1980: Toyah - The Blue Meaning - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lME3rR-Xlnkmorx6HKn33Mf8pioYDuEr4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lME3rR-Xlnkmorx6HKn33Mf8pioYDuEr4 1983: Adrian Belew - Twang Bar King - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nO0fxX8cvrIcmDa0h6XYEQ5GsPE3NXqIk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nO0fxX8cvrIcmDa0h6XYEQ5GsPE3NXqIk  1979: Bruford - One of a Kind - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpJBS8NzfrqsFU42gOHn6gV" rel="nofollow - _ 1989: David Cross - Memos from Purgatory - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuMt8q7LIMo&t=2195s" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuMt8q7LIMo&t=2195s 1968: Giles, Giles & Fripp - The Brondesbury Tapes 1993: Trey Gunn - One Thousand Years - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_llWelUzb5YERpbsb8tr1KYqdedu0tQByc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_llWelUzb5YERpbsb8tr1KYqdedu0tQByc 2007: Gavin Harrison & O5Ric - Drop https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioL1ffufri-0iDscfQSoVI--GJUleWUM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioL1ffufri-0iDscfQSoVI--GJUleWUM 1971: Gordon Haskell - It is and it Isn't - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1T646UuhZZpYDrO3xZccdKUu5btkWJ60" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1T646UuhZZpYDrO3xZccdKUu5btkWJ60 1990: Jakko M. Jakszyk & Tom Robinson - Blood Brother: We Never Had It So Good - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mlgk9In9XcyTvqNbaFiRVnkSQuvZ-hVUw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mlgk9In9XcyTvqNbaFiRVnkSQuvZ-hVUw 1983: Greg Lake - Manoeuvres - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtBWId24f-kRPRAhd8nJ09r" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtBWId24f-kRPRAhd8nJ09r 2000: Tony Levin - Waters of Eden - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_khfghaCgSfe8gtg1FvdqDkSv9lIDntwTM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_khfghaCgSfe8gtg1FvdqDkSv9lIDntwTM 1971: Keith Tippett Group - Dedicated to You, But You Weren't Listening - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kOL6gorwWnS2S7a1u6jWzIOTqQfTvksBk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kOL6gorwWnS2S7a1u6jWzIOTqQfTvksBk 1987: John Wetton & Phil Manzanera - Wetton-Manzanera - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCHZJbJm7G2bsSHAVrEYOGHuFqr3z9nN" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCHZJbJm7G2bsSHAVrEYOGHuFqr3z9nN |
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 05:35
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Bruford Belew - A terrific two star album 
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 05:40
| They're all very close for me, but at the end, I voted for King Crimson, which is the album that introduced me to the band, so it has a special meaning to me. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 06:21
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Some see it as a poor copy of In The Court..., but I love In the Wake of Poseidon both as a stand-alone album and as a follow-up. The Keith Tippet Group album would be my second choice. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 07:02
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In my opinion there's nothing even close to what The Keith Tippet Group created here. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 07:12
I was expecting King Crimson to run away with this poll again, so it's good to see Bruford has picked up three votes already.  How did you guess I'm not a fan of Adrian Belew?
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Grumpyprogfan wrote:Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 08:37
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Another vote for Bruford. I think it's about time the rovers on Mars had their own contactless rover wash with professional detailing services. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 08:49
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King Crimson - In The Wake Of Poseidon Robert Fripp & Brian Eno - Evening Star John Wetton & Phil Manzanera - Wetton-Manzanera Toyah - The Blue Meaning |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 09:41
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1. King Crimson - In The Wake Of Poseidon 2. Gordon Haskell - It is and it Isn't 3. Giles, Giles & Fripp - The Brondesbury Tapes 4. John Wetton & Phil Manzanera - Wetton-Manzanera
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 10:10
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ITWOP ------------- "Christ, where would rock & roll be without feedback?" - D. Gimour |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 10:50
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I can't vote, but if I could... It would be a tie between Bruford and In the Wake of Poseidon. PS. If you can add a vote for me...Bruford.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 11:03
| ^Why can't you vote? |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 11:22
In 2021, I said you could get Covid if you got the vax. I said 500 million years of natural immunity evolution/Mother Nature was more efficient than Pfizer messenger RNA therapy. My PA priviliges were cancelled. No big deal. I'm lucky to be alive!
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 12:22
| ^So you can start threads and post, but no voting? Odd. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 12:27
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Cindy, you have tried voting again since I tried to reestablish your privileges, right? It is strange. I played no part in removing those privileges as I was on leave at the time, but I have tried multiple times to have you gain those privileges again. Maybe some of those took and others did not. I often get issues with time-outs in that part of the forum which may interfere with tasks being completed. I would have thought you would at least have received warnings about posting that kind of thing beforehand. Two of our admin were medical professionals (doctor and a hospital nurse (ER?), I know you're a nurse too, so may be a moot point). I have read that more Doctors favoured vaccinations than nurses. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: altered_beast
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 12:28
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I fully agree with you. Maybe I will get banned for something now. Maybe I will appear on Ukraines kill list with Roger Waters. I worked in the medical field. Vaccines have never been safe and effective and never will be. Back to the subject. Bruford gets my vote! |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 12:40
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Broof! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 12:41
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^^ Best to just avoid those kinds of discussions here altogether and talk about the music, I feel. There are other places better suited to such discussions, imo, and there probably are some publications which might accept your peer reviewed articles on the matter. Or not necessarily peer reviewed. Political discussions and controversial topics get very heated here and often do lead to personal attacks, so we decided to have a moratorium on political discussions (as it relates to music specifically is a different case). I wish we could more easily have a wider range of discussions without it leading to abuse via the forum guidelines. Also, I think we should be very careful about risking spreading disinformation and misinformation. COVID of course because of the possible ramifications is going to be a very sensitive subject and one needs to carefully handle it. Back to the topic myself: Listening to that Keith Tippet Group album again, had been a while. I had expected that to have received more than John's vote by now. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 13:15
| Wanted to vote for the Wetton-Manzanera album, as that album is a misty-eyed guilty pleasure for me, but I cannot do so when Bruford's One of a Kind is an option! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 31 2024 at 01:50
| I would actually like In The Wake Of Poseidon more than the debut if it wasn't for The Devils Triangle. I feel there is more confidence and better playing on display but The Devils Triangle was just a bit of Robert Fripp filler imo. I'll vote for Bruford as that is a rare thing for me , a jazz fusion album I want to listen to! |
Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: August 31 2024 at 06:39
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I love Poseidon overall but the first disc is a bit too uneven for my taste, so I'm going with Keith Tippett's beautiful sophomore album. This is a very strong collection of albums though; I like Twang Bar King and One Of A Kind very much too. ------------- https://mirasnelder.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow - Freelance composer, accepting commissions | https://mirasnelder.bandcamp.com/album/altered-acuity" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp page |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 31 2024 at 06:49
| Bruford - One of a Kind (1979) |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 31 2024 at 12:08
Likewise!! ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: August 31 2024 at 13:34
| ITWoP |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 31 2024 at 17:25
I personally don't have a clue - or knowledge enough to even form a personal opinion. I just did what I was told and took all the vaccines like I was supposed to. I never felt like forcing others to go against their personal beliefs though. I saw some truly extreme behaviour from friends and acquaintances online during the covid years that changed my perception of them forever.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 31 2024 at 19:50
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Anyway I just love In the Wake of Poseidon. Maybe, just maybe I can understand the initial reaction by some fans of the debut while listening to this follow-up back in 1970. But from a 2024 perspective; is it really all that similar to In the Court? For me it's just a band sounding like themselves, and I hear or see nothing wrong with that. It's two albums made with a similar mindset - a mindset that I happen to love. It feels much like the Kid A/Amnesiac issue where the latter album is seen as b-sides and leftovers from the former. By some. Not me. I simply immerse myself in all of it as a whole body of work. -If these songs were paintings hardly anyone would find it reasonable to dismiss the artist with a "my god this artist used color combinations and scenes in some paintings in their prior exhibition too".
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 02 2024 at 15:51
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About Greg Lake being member of the very early King Crimson, said by Charlotte Bates, Ian McDonald's girlfriend: "Greg was a great big ego, a big penis on legs."  (as quoted in David Weigel's The Show That Never Ends: The rise and fall of Prog Rock, 2017 p. 52) ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 02 2024 at 16:01
fixed ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 03 2024 at 05:40
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^ About making In th Wake of Poseidon, as told in The Show That Never Ends : "After McDonald and Giles quit, and Lake followed, what had been a 22.5 percent royalty share for Fripp became 60 percent. He was an impresario now, even if his new singer was utterly unmoved by Keith Tippett and couldn't understand what the point was, musically, of the pianist's fingerings on songs like "Cat Food". "That sounds just like a cat walking across a piano," Haskell told Fripp. "Yeah," said the impresario, "but Keith knows what he's doing . A cat doesn't."" (2017, p. 59)Great read! ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 06:36
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^ As you can see, Paul, I'm surely happy that you've mentioned David Weigel's book - at least so far in my reading of it. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 06:47
Yes, it's revealed in the book that Greg Lake wasn't happy at all with ELP's Love Beach album cover, where he says their cheesy smiles and open shirts with hairy chests on display made ELP look like the Bee Gees on holiday.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 07:38
I can already quote too one funny statement from an ELP member, and that is Emerson's comment when he the first time heard Walter/Wendy Carlos' Switched-On Bach: "Some other tracks sounded almost comical", he'd say "like a load of elephants farting counterpoint with whoopee cushions in accompaniment." (p. 66)But a very good thing about listening to this record was, that Emerson for the first time became familiar with a Moog synthesizer (according to Weigel).
------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 11:42
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When talking about Bee Gees, Paul, believe it or not, I liked the movie Saturday Night Fever, so after I saw it, I got the soundtrack and was quite fond of it. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 12:04
So am I, but it's a Tragedy that ELP should be compared with the Bee Gees.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 12:47
I surely agree with you about that. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 08 2024 at 13:04
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Paul, I can't imagine otherwise than that Weigel's book will turn you into a genuine progger. It's a remarkably great and funny read about Progressive Rock, at least the first 100 pages of it.  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 08 2024 at 13:51
I was a dedicated progger long before I read Weigel's book. I'd also recommend Citizens of Hope and Glory telling the story of Neo Prog.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 08 2024 at 14:07
Which reminds me of somebody talking about something like "maybe a full-blown proto-progger or Neo-progger".
I own and have read Citizens of Hope and Glory, but I'd say, that's not much compared to Weigel's almost incredible story, or at least especially pages about Tales from Topographic Oceans are incredibly funny. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 10 2024 at 12:09
Actually, I can only see this statement as a possible truth if defining prog as an umbrella for some strongly Pop-influenced music - at least with your present tastes, but I can't say for sure that they're not changing. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 10 2024 at 15:39
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Something else is, Paul, that your respect for Progressive Rock is not a very big one. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 10 2024 at 16:49
A touch of irreverence now and then isn't always a bad thing.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 10 2024 at 17:38
Anyway, I like to see that you have this ambition. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 11 2024 at 04:58
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But I surely don't like your quantitative, repetitive excesses like Prog Mega-Lists International - how international is it going to be, or definitely mostly British and some repetition of Prog Britannia?; and when lumping all the artists together without stylistic considerations, like for instance in the case of "Hawkwind" including Motörhead, I don't see much respect for Progressive Rock in that kind.
Something else, how do you imagine that people can use such huge blogs as Prog Britannia when there's no real order or menu in it? I mean, it's not like using an encyclopaedia or PA's database, so isn't there a lot of waste? - I wonder how much electricity it requires to have such a blog running. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 11 2024 at 13:59
I know my mind works in mysterious ways sometimes, but there's a clear connection between Hawkwind and Motorhead, and that connection is Lemmy, the notorious Hellraiser and member of Hawkwind from 1971 to 1975 and leader of Motorhead until he was Killed by Death in 2015.  Anyway, that's my excuse for lumping Motorhead together with Hawkwind, and I'm not claiming Motorhead are a prog band in any way, shape or form. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 11 2024 at 15:53
Yes, you in fact do, as the thread titles says "Prog", and you don't state otherwise about Motörhead, and the same stylistic misfit is the case with many other artists.  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Moonshake
Date Posted: September 11 2024 at 16:41
| In the Wake of Poseidon |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: December 29 2024 at 06:34
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Always admired how brilliant Crimson's sophomore album is and it naturally gets the nod. |