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Topic: Bakullamas Last track.
Posted By: Valdez
Subject: Bakullamas Last track.
Date Posted: May 27 2025 at 16:22
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Track at this link https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/track/goodbye-bakullama" rel="nofollow - Goodbye Bakullama Going on a long Hiatus, This one is gonna be it until I find some inspiration, learn how to play drums, and take care of some other issues that have risen. Let's hear ideas for new band names! Anything goes! Hope you like!  ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: May 28 2025 at 00:47
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Let's hear ideas for new band names! Anything goes!Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 29 2025 at 22:30
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Hi, Really nice piece of music, and I will look to purchase a thing or two here in the future as soon as I settle in this new place. So far, so good, but I'm just exhausted and the music helped soothe it all ... wonderful stuff! Don't let me get near ... you don't need a drummer or learn drumming ... do some "anti-drumming" instead, which will help the work you do! As I like to say to my dogs and cats ... well ... welll .... I'm too different to be able to find a new band name ... though I tend to think a literary one is better than some clever bs! I think that one of the best band names I have really found cool, and enjoyed senseless, was Djam Karet ... and even better when Gayle said that the only chords he remembered were the ones between A and Z! one could always use some kind of scrambling thing ... you know that Alec Guiness is Genuine Class, right? Or that Eno thing ... I call it 52 pick up ... throw the cards in the air, and the ones that land on cow poop are the letters you use for the name of the band! That ought to make the spirit of Storm Thorgerson happy! And Andrew will smile ... a cover that has so much nothing in it! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: May 29 2025 at 22:46
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Yes! I just scored a complete Yamaha DTXPRO drum set and I’m having a blast with it . Anti-drumming in the works! And yes to throwing cards in the air. I don’t do well with constraints or dogma. Free as a bird. No need to purchase just go to Bandcamp and stream away. Who is Andrew? ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 31 2025 at 00:32
Hi, Andrew Powell ... the other guy in Hipgnosis ... try to catch that special on Hipgnosis somewhere, and it is mostly about Andrew Powell, since Storm had passed away too long ago. The only sad thing is the ending ... but it is pure poetry! My take on drumming is bad for a lot of folks ... I like folks that paint the music with the stix, not just keep up the beat ... which should not be an issue with experienced and folks that "know" their music. And even Robert Fripp mentions this on the KC special last year, that you listen to the folks you are with and you join them ... which, of course, makes you wonder how/what is the idea behind the three drummers ... which is cool in many ways ... and then we can try to compare this with the Grateful DEad always having had 2 drummers, and you and I never even thought about the drumming in a GD set ... which I think suggests that they knew the music was more important than the beat itself. The last album by Kate Bush also has a lot of touches since some of her stuff would not even be considered a "song", it just wide open beat poetry, we could say, and putting a beat to it, would destroy the feeling and the poetry ... and I'm not sure that many bands ever know how to get that far in their work ... most are too worried about being conventional and easy so that ears can pick it up right away ... but honestly, I never had to work to pick up wild music in our hearts that does not exactly owe anything to what we know as "music theory", or what I like to say is "thusic meory"! In Kate's case the quality of the expression is poetry magic! Even Dylan Thomas did not do this right and well ... and the majority of "poets" don't even dare read their work! Pablo Neruda did well, but I tend to think that he tried too hard to be "meaningful" and sometimes take away the flow of the nice way he worded things. I would like to find T. S. Elliot reading his stuff ... but I think it might even have some sardonic touches that are poetic to the reading, but probably something else when spoken or staged on theater or film ... I would like to do a production of some poetry on stage, with or without music ... with the idea being about the words, and maybe use some of the well known songs though I know that Robert Fripp would not approve and say no, but some of the inflections done by Greg Lake are special, and pure theater! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 31 2025 at 01:23
I think you should learn drumming before you start anti-drumming. -and speaking of drums (or "drums"), they don't sound right to me here. The beat itself is kind of flat and boring too. It's like you're punching holes in what could have been a lovely, floating atmospheric mood piece. Listen to Cluster's Zuckerzeit and how finely tuned and inventive a drum machine can be. I'd sure prefer that approach over amateur anti-drumming. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 31 2025 at 09:00
Hi, I'm not sure that you get my meaning, not exactly that it is worthy of all attention, but is a great exercise on stage, with one exception ... musicians are the worst at experimenting and learning something new, other than another chord or something taken from another music class. (I keep thinking of Keith Moon's audition. He came in threw the drums everywhere and left! And Pete was ... wow ... we gotta have him!) "Anti-drumming" is NOT ABOUT THE BEAT ... it is about the touch and feel and making adjustments to add something to the music that isn't there, but makes it really special. The one thing that is most needed in 90% of all progressive bands that are added to the ________ is that the same 4 instruments are not necessary anymore, and the same beat and snare drum is not necessary, and the guy must think he's better than a metronome because he can add some 4 more touches in the middle of the same 8! EX: You are outside, and just listening and watching the skies ... and all of a sudden a bird enters the view ... it didn't change the music, but added a touch, and a new feel to the whole thing. One day, musicians will wake up to life to create real music, instead of ideas in their head with the very limited palate that school teaches you ... what I'm stating is not about "school" ... it's about experience and learning, like you would in meditation, and never get to the point where you get bored, which is when you tried to adjust things to what you know! For me, the minute one is looking at the beat ... or other details in the song, the listening STOPS. AND, worse, it no longer is a new song ... it becomes what I call the Model T syndrome in rock music! One of the best examples, for a drummer, is only available if you get a LP ... because the CD design and stupidity is incapable of placing a mark, for the start of a "new song", and in the LP, the two pieces are linked ... not separated by a tick for the CD player ... and the very BAD part of this, is that we lose the ability to see what was done that was special ... Jaki, towards the end of Chain Reaction did not even play the drums ... he only accentuated the touch with some cymbals, here and there, knowing darn well that the "beat" was done and over with and a new piece of music was coming ... and in the LP it VERY SLOWLY rolls into the Quantum Physics piece. It is something that teachers can not help kids with ... they only know the beat and the timing ... and that is all music is? This is the 21st Century ... not the Baroque or Renaissance, that we still have to think that the beat is important ... we need to get off the beat thing if we are going to get towards new music, which takes new ideas and touches that the old music does not have or use ... that is the history of music! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: May 31 2025 at 09:12
Yeah the drums on this one were too hasty. will play with the drum machine next week and get a bit more creative. I just let a standard pre-set run on this track and I agree it sounds boring. Then I'll take a few months with the real drumset and hopefully learn a little. Came up with a new band name... New ideas. Wont be prog-like at all. I'll miss this bunch!  ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: May 31 2025 at 12:05
Mosh Most of this I understand and agree with. I actually re-learned something from you today. Lets see how the song flows minus drums atall today. Then Next week I may sing like Robert Goulet right on top the mess. (For my friend TRANE) This may be the DULLEST piece of music I've ever done. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 31 2025 at 13:49
Hi, No need to thank ... I'm not into this for fame and credit ... for me, it's all a part of the scholarly sense inside, and learning. The only sad thing is that I'm not sure that some folks see/understand that music history was about changes, and different ideas than before. I'm not convinced, or sure, that learning an instrument is absolutely necessary, although some things might be so you can come back to them, but in general, in free form work, it is not necessary, because you don't do this or that because it is what is "expected" in any music ... instead of making sure that the piece has a world, and life of its own, that has nothing to do with anything else that is "known". I would worry less about "dullest" or "Goulet" and make it more your own, and go from there ... the idea of dull is already in existence in the amount of material added to everything these days, and Goulet is long gone, and his time was not quite appreciated in America at all ... the cardboard ideas with a pink or blue scrim were!!! Such was the power and idea of movies ... and rock music in America is still stuck in that thing with folks simply doing and redoing the same thing over and over again ... it's not about it being this or that ... it's about you shining up the stage on your own ... and it will gather steam faster than any idea of a copy!!! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: May 31 2025 at 13:58
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I was just kidding about Singing like Goulet… c’mon man! Lol ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: May 31 2025 at 14:16
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I was just kidding about Singing like Goulet… c’mon man! Lol One of my favorite drummers was Mitch Mitchell… The way he “weaves” the drums around Hendrix so musically. You can hardly tell he is also keeping a beat. Moon the same, but Mitchell was a great weaver. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 31 2025 at 21:14
Hi, Hahaha ...you can do it backwards and upside down and no one will be the wiser for it! One of the things that a lot of folks don't know about, or learn within the music thing is how the goofing around the studio ends up bringing about some far out things. Guy Guden in his early Space Pirate Radio shows, was crazy, but always entertaining. Just like listening to The Goons, where Spike Milligan literally "invented" sound effects for the BBC, one of the great things was Spike's habit of speeding up sounds to make a point knock 1000 times on a door --- and he does that by speeding it up so there would be 1000 knocks if you could count!! But as funny as that is, it is not the killer in the bit ... door opens, Tea House of the August Moon? NO. Door slams ... so he does it again down the street for a different response! The idea, and the point is that the "event" of the knocking was able to extend the whole thing to a hilarious conclusion. Guy had his bits, and probably my favorite is a bunch of farts backwards and possibly stuff from Music From The Body (not sure of that!!), and they always were funny, far out and a trip between the pieces of music! It adds a sense of unpredictability that is missing in rock music ... all in favor of the "song" instead ... one of the greatest and enjoyable moments in life gets taken out of the music! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 31 2025 at 21:26
That's one of the things/reasons why that music is so appreciated, even after 50 years and most folks don't even realize it and think it is just the guitar! There are a couple of others in my book, but they are not the well known ones that folks here tend to discuss, and it really shows different things. AD2 - Peter Leopold ... in the album "Dance of the Lemmings" ... and specially in the MM Soundtrack thing, an improvisation. Super nice and it's like he is looking for somewhere to add the drums and ends up just doing bits and pieces. But the real great thing here is Lothar Meid on the Bass ... just a touch here and there, never worried about a song, just adding to the flow! Guru Guru - The early albums. Mani used to say that he only plays drums to the guitar ... and very obviously the only one he could do this with was Ax Genrich. After that it was no longer about the drums, even though he was the star of the band, but some nice things. The two long cuts in Dance of the Flames are really good, even though it has a nice beat, the guitar and bass are quite free as far as I can tell ... Nana Vasconcellos - ECM artist, that did a few tings with Egberto Gismonti ... their solo album, and his guesting in a couple of Egberto's albums is truly special. But you 'll never hear "drumming" from him! Jaki - already discussed. Very special touch! I'm not sure it is good for me to get you to listen to other things ... what I should help with is the details to help you do your inner identifications so you can create your own, regardless of anything you have heard before ... ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: May 31 2025 at 23:32
I will listen to these artists you mention, and I appreciate your offer, but I think I’ll work on my Inner Identifications on my own. This is the way.  ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 01 2025 at 05:25
Hi, Lovely ... way to go ... !!!! I'll give it a go trying to talk to the wind here in my new home! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: June 01 2025 at 07:47
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It’s nothing personal mosh, I know a lot of people take the music much more seriously than I do. It’s mostly just a hobby for me. Sometimes many other things take precedence. I’m just an old guy trying to have fun. Life, living, family, and survival always on the front burner. Sometimes I get it right, sometimes I don’t. Enjoy your new digs, settle in, settle down. Your posts are always interesting to say the least. I’m getting better at decoding them. cheers! ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 02 2025 at 19:49
Hi, Even though some folks think there is some really complicated person here, in the end, I look at the mirror and I see skin and bones and some emotions, like everyone else. I'm probably one of the few going around saying that "art" is not a secret, or something that you have to hide because you have a trick, so to speak ... In my book, it is just the inner movie coming alive, the surrealistic idea, without any filters, and the cleaner it comes out the better. I have spent my life helping two folks do some wonderful things with their art. The last one, was the saddest for me, and I ended up with all the art, and I am not sure what to do with it ... helping somebody with meditation, and adding some theater/film rehearsal training, was a masterful touch, but in the end, it created something their family could not handle ... and some of the pretties work and special in its internal sights, in the end, I ended up helping her clarify her "inner sights" for which she previously had no path for. That work, if nothing else happens in my life, is a source of a lot of joy, and I wish that more people could see the work, and its beauty ... I always hoped that I could do this with musicians, and did once with Herb Ernst in Seattle in a psychic show, where I took my friend's work she was noodling with, and took it to Herb and when he was open, I said that the picture is the staff and the details in the staff are the music ... and he looked at it for a few minutes, setup his synths with a detail or two, and created a magnificent piece of music ... a true highlight for my heart, and several folks around him were astonished as well. Sometimes, the surprise and no thoughts of ideas is the way of the art itself ... the spirit has its own path, and we're lucky to be able to see it, and appreciate it ... sadly, the event is not "recognized" as valuable, or important ... and it simply shows how methodical a lot of the arts are, and the main reason why so many folks don't get attention as the material is not strong enough, or what I often say ... "pure enough" ... I've enjoyed this moment in time ... very special and hopefully one day we can meet ... I won't impress you with my ability to play anything, but I can "reveal" a lot by just a touch! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: June 02 2025 at 19:57
Hard Pass pal... Thanks for all the fish. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 17 2025 at 07:17
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I know how it feels: hhaving sommething in mind and not being able to make it sound as you wish. I'm totally incapable of playing drums, neither keeping a 4/4 on a snare. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: June 17 2025 at 11:37
Same here. So I do what I can with the old drum machines and a keyboard with “drums” . We know a drummer nearby but his ego is such that he’d insist on naming the band after him. Extremely difficult to get along with. Aah well. I won’t do it if it isn’t fun. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 17 2025 at 11:46
Hi, One of the hardest things to learn in acting, and then in meditation is one thinking that they have to be like, or sound like or create like. YOU DON'T have to feel that ... and within a mediation, improvisational stand point, it only suggests that you don't think yo can do something good enough compared to the idea that you have in mind ... and as you meditate and learn more about the inner ... anything ... you will find that the confusion and inability to create it has more to do with your own desire to do one thing, but is being interfered with something else. The crossing of internal and external ideas, has a tendency to prevent us from even trying something ... different. And I'm not sure that this can improve if you don't learn to ride the bike like a child did ... and learning to interpret your OWN SIGNALS, rather than associate them with know this on that in music and other examples out there. You have to compare it to yourself only, not the idea! And that is not easy! The idea is a near impossibility because it is an idea, not a reality that you can try and reach. The other side is learning to identify and "play" your own signals, and that gets easier as time goes by and you do more! I think, don't quote me on this (!!!), that you kinda have to go back to being a child and have fun just hitting things, or find out ... wow ... that sound is neat ... and then you next start following that feeling ... not what it would sound like if Edgar Froese, or Klaus Schulze, or Vangelis played them. Myself, have always had a thing for keyboards and I want so badly to goof around with sounds that ae similar to those three ... but all it tells me, is that their "sounds" have created an image within me, that I can not copy, and I have to create my own image ... that's not a problem ... the only issue I have is getting by and learning a DAW well enough to be able to do something, but to this day I have not had a good time with any DAW, and can't find anyone to help me with it. And sadly, the musical design and ideas are not quite compatible with computers yet, and it will be a few years still until they do better so that instruments and computers are not a problem that takes some high tech person to work on ... and sound cards on computers have never taken to "mixing" at all ... though the M-Audio LT10 was really good at it, but then M-Audio probably got a lot of flak and they never learned how to do drivers for W10 and beyond ... a great sound card ... totally wasted, and it was simple and I could mix things directly with it. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 01 2025 at 13:30
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Hi, Not that it matters much, but I reviewed the last album ... and it's posted on PA now. Enjoyed it a lot, and played it multiple times. Sad to see the band go! ... Must be another pandemic in Walla Walla courtesy of those onions! Or the asparagus! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 01 2025 at 14:43
Thank You Mosh, 100 degrees here in Onionville. (Now Wineville). Thanks for the review it is much appreciated. It takes a few listens to get the irregular format and vibe, I know. I grow Walla Walla sweets in the backyard, among other things. But to be honest I prefer a hot Los Angeles onion lol. BTW That Miley song starts to get its legs at about 3:20 or so. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 08:36
Hi, I have a tendency to not "judge" other musicians like Miley, Taylor, Lorde, Beyonce and those that are listed in pop music as important. I don't think that any of them, would be where they are, if they had not heard, or listened to other stuff around the world. And because I got to experience 3 different cultures in a few years (Portugal, Brazil and then USA), I have a much more "irregular" listening ability than most ... Portuguese music (like Fado and such) is boring for me, and Portugal, has not been at the front of a lot of arts at all, mostly because that _____government pretty much made sure that all artists were shut down quickly, or sensored so badly that they ended up not being read. My own father, if you did/look for it, had a lot of his theater and film reviews censored and published cut up to try and embarrass him (available in English I think) but no one was going to criticize Olivier, Brando and a lot of others out there, so in the end, the government is the one that looks stupid as opposed to Spain that pulled the gun on many of the artists and writers. Brazil is much more "independent" even though its influences from Africa are quite clear ... and that only speaks for its history and how many "slaves" were brought to the new land ... a lot, to the point that it added to its artistic history quite early, probably 300 to 400 years ago. America, destroyed all its creative and "different" folks and its history of what happened to the Native Americans is horrendous but one segment of the population was not the only one that did so, the other folks stealing the land that had been given to foreigners that volunteered to come to the far west of the country, was another extermination example that has been told in some movies that the media has made sure they were trashed, as a way to keep more of American history hidden from the public. It's almost an incredible something or other that the Black history and some related stuff made it through, but these days, it is being hidden and taken out of schools to ensure that folks never know the ugly side of the history, which is from all the well to do rich folks that ruled America from day one! The sidebar on that is that music, and the arts, are very different for me, regardless of where they come from, and their difference is something I like and appreciate, instead of thinking ... that's not music, and doesn't belong here ... kind of thing. Thus, listening to the first time, is not an issue for me and it does not define my ability to listen to it again ... in the case of Bakullama's album, I had decided to hear it again before I even got to the end of the album, thankful that BC did not cut me off, which is a problem these days for someone that can't afford to pay for it, and thus, a lot more music is not heard or appreciated properly, as is the case in many lists here on PA and half the BC stuff I can not listen to beyond one song. so for me, I have decided that the band is not interested in a decent review of the work, and I say ... screw them. I have been at this game long enough to know when the folks are honest or when they are the children of the ............. so I leave a few behind. I'm glad to see Miley do something like that, and it makes sense ... she has rebelled against a lot of the pop crap stuff and continues to do so, and I think that she will end up doing really well because of it, despite some music recording companies not being happy with it, but the sales make it ... another story. Same for Taylor, now that she owns her own catalogue and continue with it, it probably is going to make a huge difference sooner or later, if folks start taking stock in their work, instead of giving it away. In Miley's case, you don't go pretty much naked without a good reason to do so, and I think that it made a very powerful point, that some folks didn't like, but the distribution side of the CD's, albums and downloads, is too big for the record company to worry about complaints, and it is just like 30 years ago with the rap stuff ... lots of dislike and bad publicity, and in the end, who was supporting the majority of those labels ... yep! But no one was going to say anything or suggest that, because there was too much money going around ... and you don't stop the fountain if possible. It's not like Oregon where some folks we knew, intentionally dug out some springs on the mountains behind my mom's place, so they could log it a year later and the state didn't care or notice that there was a hole over there that was filled. I'm pretty happy seeing Miley get off with power stuff ... Sag folks (she's Nov 23rd ... I'm Nov 22) are known to be rebellious, and eventually get things done. Taylor I'm not sure how it's going to go. Others, it's still in the make sure it stays the same kind of thing, and that's not to say that Beyonce is not good. Or Taylor os anyone else ... I'm just not seriously screwed up to think that just because I have been into progressive music for 60 years, I can't enjoy and appreciate anything else. That thought alone is revolting! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 09:21
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Yes at Bandcamp the artist can set a limit on free plays. I’ve set it at 5 free plays but I I’ve decided to set it for unlimited free plays. I don’t really need the money that bad and I’d rather people were able to hear it especially if they are broke or, let’s face it, never actually BUY music. Hardly anyone needs to buy music to hear it anymore. I still buy music because I’m somewhat of a collector… and a re-seller of vinyl. My hobbies. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 14:16
Hi, Let's see ... my monthly is $1800 and my rent is $1100 ... and that leaves me with the rest for the whole month! I have not bought much of anything for 3 years now, and have to worry about losing 2 computers in a couple of months (W11!!!) ... and likely end my Internet career just to save a couple of doodles! A few folks here, would love to see me go, I'm sure ... ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |