What band isn't prog, but you say it is?
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Topic: What band isn't prog, but you say it is?
Posted By: cstack3
Subject: What band isn't prog, but you say it is?
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 00:12
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If I'm not sure, I just say "prog related!" That seems to cover ANYTHING!! Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Lynyrd Skynyrd, whatever!!  ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 00:20
Svetty!! Not even trying to pass for a reliable, decent user! Lame and cringe... 
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 00:44
| Yes this self-proclaimed moron is the only one who thanks himself from one of his other accounts. What a total dick. Saying that he acts like a child, would be an insult to children. How old is he again? |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 03:34
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I really don't understand why who was banned insists in rejoining in this way. I've been banned from Linkedin many years ago and I was so pissed off that I asked a backup of all my posts, connections and so on then I closed my account forever. If I disagree with the policy of a site, I simply give up. Just to say, i replied to the post of one of the many racist idiots who were spreading idiocies about ethnic substitution and "dangerous migrants with mobile phones", the usual BS that this kind of persons use, by posting the photo of the 3 years old dead syrian child on a Greek beach, saying "This is your dangerous invader". I've been banned for having posted a corpse. So f@ck off Zuckerberg and all his Meta stuff ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 04:21
| Okey dokey. Seems like some posts have been removed but the thread is still active? |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 04:54
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Svetonio is a poop who thinks "mint suits" is a number and whose downspout enthusiasm is no different than the odor of a bunk bed helicopter piloted by a cadaverous Jupiter that lost his red spot to a herd of honeycomb ducks smoking greasy tablecloths. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 05:52
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And I thought personal attacks were not allowed at PA.
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Posted By: LakeGlade12
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 05:54
| When I was new to Prog I always thought Meat Loaf was at least loosely connected to the genre. I was surprised when I saw he was not even in Prog Related on this site! Bat Out of Hell has to be one of the most well known long (9 min) rock songs, and he has several other well known songs that go over 10 min (e.g I would do anything for love), so I still kind of see him very mild prog. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 06:22
Are you defending Svetinio, the user who's done most damage to the forum & site? His recent user incarnations were only meant to insult Greg (Logan). |
Grumpyprogfan wrote:Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 06:26
Hi, As much as I would wish/like to be able to make suggestions, I have given up. I'll review a few things as they appear and sometimes they are nice and some times they are not (won't review those or say anything), but in general, I think that the decisions made for inclusion, are too much limited to sounding like someone else already selected, and I have my doubts about the qualities of the musical ability in many additions, since they are copies of a copy and that is also a copy. My ideas, though probably a bit on the sophomoric side, are more open to new ideas and thoughts and music ... and the art form has for hundreds of years about changes, with one exception ... a major exception ... the folks that made the decisions always sided with the King (or otherwise) and in general, they only liked what they already knew and heard ... and guess what ... same thing here. So 500 years later, it's like we don't listen, we only copy. PA has gotten better for my tastes in terms of selections for things that are liked and heard ... many of the lists these days are far out to say the least and they have several things from all over the world ... and this shows a much wider appreciation for things. The question is, for me, is PA about adding to what music is, INSTEAD OF WAS, or are we just keeping up with the neighbors that seem to be adding more numbers than we are? I tend to think that we have been siding with the numbers, not the music, and many folks should have been invited and there already, were it all a simple appreciation for the music ... which would have added some works that keep getting refused, and sometimes don't deserve to. MEATLOAF is one, but I'm not sure he cares what folks think ... he was abused so badly in the early days, until all of a sudden BOOH simply went nuts and became a huge album ... and some of its material is still fresh and sounds magnificent ... but sady ... it doesn't have all the details that some of the groupings that PA has, requires and some folks seem to be voting on their preference, not on the details. Likewise THE GRATEFUL DEAD would also have been added a long time ago, for their musicianship alone, and their "touch" and incredible history to the development of the "progressive" thing, which many seem to not pay attention to and the band was one of the first doing many of the things that we think/thought were important. I've given up fighting for the underdog. At my age, that fight ends up seemingly a lost cause, and your muscles and bones, don't want to care anymore. But, I think that the OPPORTUNITY to help the genre, and develop it further, is in the hands of the folks in the court ... as the movie says ... "too many notes" ... and everyone looks at each other and agree. It's not about the music at all ... because if it were folks would recognize great works all along ... it's very simple ... but not enough to know when someone is adventurous and creative, instead of just a copy! AND a copy of an idea at that! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 06:35
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Hi, Maybe PA should/could create a special definition for bands that are not considered progressive, but have the talent and ability, to be recognized. Even that Hall of a Joke has done that for bands that were not given status, but in the end have been given a nod of appreciation, which the Oscar has also done for folks that have been huge in the history of cinema, but never got an award. Oh well ... nice thought ... I don't want PA to think I don't care. I have a lot more than they can appreciate and have been at the forefront of "progressive" since at least 1968 or 1969 ... and I never learned how to give it up ... and still fight for a lot of it! Sometimes it feels fruitless, but seeing the music remembered and appreciated is something that my heart wants to appreciate as much as its blood flows. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 07:01
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 07:08
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------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 07:11
| ^^I guess I was late to the party. Maybe this thread should have been deleted instead of more personal attacks? |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 07:15
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What's the beef anyway, that Swans are included but other artists aren't? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 07:32
His beef is with the admins, especially Greg (Logan). |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 07:51
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I don't have my laptop with me as I'm traveling so my admin ability is limited at the moment. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 07:56
I think logan dealt with it already. 
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 08:03
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There's a few for me: Chicago Traffic The Doors (proto anyway) Journey (pre Steve Perry era) Iron Maiden (some of it anyway) Styx (some of it) Santana (some of it) Led Zeppelin (some) Black Sabbath (some) The Tubes (some stuff is very proggy and it's a shame they aren't at least prog related on here) |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 08:08
I must have missed the original post. I see cstack as the thread starter. I know about Svetty. Was his latest account deleted? I saw one really strange post by Loganrat whatever a couple of weeks ago or so but didn't think too much of it. I smelled a rat nonetheless. 
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Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 08:24
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Radiohead Stranglers Discipline era King Crimson (Hard Call) Black Sabbath Roxy Music Asia Sun Ra Deep purple Hendrix T.Rex Bowie (Man who sold world especially) Wire (2 albums only) Grizzly Bear (barely) The Doors ( cover all bases) Rainbow Santana (moonflower is one) Steeleye span. Parliament/Funkadelic Joni Mitchell. (Especially hissing of summer lawns) ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 09:15
No, I had not logged-in for days, and was not planning to for a long while as this place is an added stress. I resigned as an admin sometime back, I'm fine that I am still listed as one, because I have been going through stressful times and have health issues (have had strokes) and don't want more stress from this forum. I had promised my wife to step too because she knew this was adding to my stress and I wanted my son's final days in high school to be happier ones (he's graduated high school and off to uni for computer engineering in September.. I wish I could share his music here, but this is not a safe place). I think Ian meant he dealt with this but in limited capacity due to not having his laptop. It is easier to use spam cleaner to deal with the issue and the laptop makes it easier to deal with some other things. I won't close it as I don't want to moderate now (maybe later I will, been doing it since 2009 I think). Svetonio has done many such Logan the Rat accounts, I left one of his posts up not long ago to leave him the message that I would like this to end, I don't plan on staying at PA (at least for mow) and to mention that I was not even the one to ban him. I have dealt with many hundreds of his accounts (sometimes five a day with many, many posts) and others too have dealt with huge amount of his stuff. Svetonio is unrelenting, malicious and vicious, and after all of the pain and troubles he has caused us, he has said that he wants to annoy us, I am happy to see some more people calling him out on his behaviour. I have suggested to him that we should talk it out civilly at the Awesome Prog forum as we are both members there and have posted there recently, at least if Mike agrees. Since he has persisted, I no longer wish to even consider wasting any time on this person, and I don't think sincere good-faith dialogue would have been at all likely. At least I made the offer, but clearly he does not wish to have an honest exchange (let alone try to be civil). Svetonio has posted a lot at https://www.progforums.com/punforum/viewforum.php?id=28" rel="nofollow - https://www.progforums.com/punforum/viewforum.php?id=28 and maybe I should contact that site. This abuse has been going on for years, we/I have tried to tolerate him but there would be complaints and he would flagrantly break the rules again and again by posting under multiple names using multiple accounts (commonly in the same topic, posting with different names and given locations), spamming, insults, using AI to troll... He was permabanned years ago (not by me) and is not welcome to post at this site, but he keeps on posting new accounts relentlessly. The behaviour seem obsessive, it is abusive, and it is appalling. I and others have put so much time into dealing with him. Even let him post again under a pseudonym for quite some time, but give some men an inch and they'll take a mile. EDIT: I did use my existing mod abilities to move this out of the Prog lounge to General Discussions. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 09:28
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Well at least on this thread his insult backfired. It’s obvious to Everyone that you Logan (and everyone else he slights) are on the high road when it comes to this dweeb, and everyone knows it. We all have tons of bands that we feel fit sideways into the prog genre. I’ve seen quite a few of his jackass posts and comments. What a turd ! Over the years on the internet I’ve run across many of these gangstalker types. I was once a victim of a seriously sick one. Turned out to be a woman who lived in the house behind me and her hacker friends. I have a friend with my local PD and I gathered evidence of hacking. (Even my cellphone!) A detective joined in and they were arrested for identity theft. Not me but others they had hacked. I was just harassed mercilessly, they never stole or took my identity thankfully. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 09:45
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By the way, looks he is the only active member at progforums.com (from a cursory look). Not a sociable person. An antisocial personality disorder plus OCD with gripes is bad news. I've met some really bad and worrisome people on the internet. One guy I warned the admin about and they dismissed it ending up shooting his girlfriend and himself not long after. Then the forum was closed down. That was not this forum. I did have to contact the police about one person here at PA who was making threats. By the way, i have had terrible experiences here with trying to share my concerns with the police department. In one case they would never return my calls, and no one would speak to me, and my best friend ended up dead. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 10:08
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Jeez… sorry to hear that. Just know that most if not all of the people on this forum are likely to have your back when it comes to these types. I get your needing to take a break from it all. The internet has become a double edged sword. The good the bad and the ugly. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 10:22
Love Bat I (a nd its title track is the best Meatloaf), but TBH, it's totally formulaic, even if dramatics & legths are often in prog realms.
Outside The Tubes, they're all in ProgRelated, which means that they shouldn't be eligible (at least according to the way I read the thread title), since they're partly admitted as prog. Chango is definitely prog-related IMHO. (in some wxays, proggier than Santana, to which they owe everything) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOO2tvhKhIA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHMn4W2hDy8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIBP1XRElGY ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 11:11
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Jamiroquai. ------------- 
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Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 11:16
Good one! A lot going on in their music. I agree! ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 11:40
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 12:46
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I've been around long enough to know that this is an unpopular opinion, but I am of the belief that just like Barclay James Harvest is considered the Poor Man's Moody Blues, AOR is the Poor Man's Progressive Rock. It has many of the elements of traditional progressive rock. Guitars, Bass, Drums, and Keyboards with a usually male vocalist melodically singing/shouting along to the music. Sprinkled amongst these bands is the liberal use of violins and saxophones. Many of the artists within AOR have wiggled their way into the prog-related category including Kansas, Chicago, Journey, and Styx; mostly for their 1970's album releases and most of these bands are shunned by the PA public for their 1980's and beyond releases. Of course this shunning also applies to the 1980's and beyond releases of prog stalwarts such as Yes, Rush, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Camel, etc. etc. etc. I have long held that bands such as Boston and Toto also have a place here in prog world, even if only in the Prog related category. My other biggest controversial suggestion has been Judas Priest. While they are clearly a NWOBM/Thrash metal band, I believe that they have shown their proggish credentials with Rocka Rolla, Sad Wings of Destiny, Sin after Sin (the best song about Jack the Ripper (lol)) and later with Painkiller and Nostradamus. This horse has been fully beaten to death so it is what it is, but for purposes of this thread (which IMO should have been deleted because the OP is a despicable person who just won't go away), I have revisited these old wounds. ------------- 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 03 2025 at 12:57
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Guys, despite having resigned a an admin officially, I am going to step in to close this topic. It was started by Svetonio (those posts were deleted), who was permabanned years ago, under an abusive username, and I don't feel that topic made by him should be getting serious consideration and might well lead to him posting in this again under multiple names as has often happened. I don't wish to risk enabling his abuse by keeping this topic going. When I have dealt with his topics I have tended to suspend his accounts and hide his topics (dealt with huge numbers of his accounts). Not banned members should feel free to make a new topic on this and share their thought-out posts there. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |