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Topic: "Alternative" Prog?
Posted By: Citanul
Subject: "Alternative" Prog?
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 05:15
A recent discussion about Coheed and Cambria got me thinking - is there validity in creating a category called "Alternative Prog"? (not the best title, but it's all I could think of for now)

This would consist of bands may not have taken the traditional route of being influenced by 70s prog bands (although some of them might be), but whose music has developed out of alternative/modern rock.  Examples of bands already here who would fall in this category would be the Mars Volta and Radiohead.  There are bands who could be considered for inclusion in this category - Coheed and Cambria, Muse, Fall of Troy and maybe even System of a Down.

Before anyone gets started - this is not an attempt at trying to validate bands by labelling them as prog.  These are bands who are not prog if you were to compare them with Genesis or Yes, but are prog if you compare them with their contempories.

What I do have reservations about is if there are enough bands to warrant the creation of this category.  There's no point in creating a category for just 2 or 3 bands, and I don't believe that bands should be added just for the sake of increasing the numbers.

So those are my thoughts - what do you think?


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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 05:17
the mars volta is 1000 times more progressive than genesis and yes combined

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Posted By: stinkfist
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 05:39
well
what people need to realize is that its not the 70's anymore
prog now is different from prog then

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Posted By: Kohllapse
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 05:41

Originally posted by stinkfist stinkfist wrote:

well
what people need to realize is that its not the 70's anymore
prog now is different from prog then

Exactly!!! Prog has progressed in the last 30 + years



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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 05:42
^ That's not the point I'm trying to make.  I'm asking if the creation of the category should be considered.

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Posted By: Kohllapse
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 05:43

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

^ That's not the point I'm trying to make.  I'm asking if the creation of the category should be considered.

Make a poll about it !! 

IMO no .



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Posted By: stinkfist
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 05:44
Originally posted by Kohllapse Kohllapse wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

^ That's not the point I'm trying to make.  I'm asking if the creation of the category should be considered.

Make a poll about it !! 

IMO no .



agreed

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how can this mean anything to me?
when i really dont feel a thing at all


Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 05:59
Originally posted by Kohllapse Kohllapse wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

^ That's not the point I'm trying to make.  I'm asking if the creation of the category should be considered.

Make a poll about it !! 

IMO no .



I don't think poll results tell you that much, and I'm more interested in discussion about it.  You've said no.  Care to exand on that?


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Posted By: rockandrail
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 06:01

I agree with you, Citanul. I file Mercury Rev in the same category.



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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 06:01

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

A recent discussion about Coheed and Cambria got me thinking - is there validity in creating a category called "Alternative Prog"? (not the best title, but it's all I could think of for now)

I've read much about Coheed and Cambria in different print magazines, and I like how the Eclipsed magazine labels them:

Avantgarde Rock.

I've also seen that name being applied to lots of new generation Alternative/Emo Rock bands which have a more artistic approach than the usual bands. The problem is that people new to the 70s categories might confuse it with Art Rock - but we could explain that in the genre definition.

 



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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 06:08
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I've read much about Coheed and Cambria in different print magazines, and I like how the Eclipsed magazine labels them:

Avantgarde Rock.

I've also seen that name being applied to lots of new generation Alternative/Emo Rock bands which have a more artistic approach than the usual bands. The problem is that people new to the 70s categories might confuse it with Art Rock - but we could explain that in the genre definition.



The other problem is that we already have the RIO/Avant category, which could cause confusion, as Coheed and Cambria sound nothing like those bands.


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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 18:21

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

the mars volta is 1000 times more progressive than genesis and yes combined

as the years progress, progressiveness also progresses, so a progressive band (can you still follow it?) from the 70s will most likely be even progressive, but in another way, because nowadays you'd have to do more new things than back then in order to be progressive. You can't hardly expect Genesis do do the same kind of progressivity as Mars Volta does nowadays, Mars Volta has to bridge 30 years of prog in order to be original, Genesis was there around the beginning.



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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 19:08
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

A recent discussion about Coheed and Cambria got me thinking - is there validity in creating a category called "Alternative Prog"? (not the best title, but it's all I could think of for now)


I've read much about Coheed and Cambria in different print magazines, and I like how the Eclipsed magazine labels them:


Avantgarde Rock.

I don't, because it's bugger all to do with avantgarde



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