Drama
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Topic: Drama
Posted By: FragileDT
Subject: Drama
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 21:52
I just was looking at the reviews for Drama on the site. Personally, I think
this is a very very strong album and it's among my favorites in the Yes
catalog. I just wanted to know what other people thought about the album.
The rating is significantly lower than the Yes albums that are very good and I
don't think that truly represents the material. Don't forget, it was a strong
comback effort after Tormato. Imagine Yes continued this lineup throughout
the 80s? It would have been interesting to see how that would have ended
up.
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 22:09
Yes, it's very good. I would rate it 4 stars. It's certainly better than Tormato. IMO, Drama was the last album of the classic Yes era. My remstered CD has another album worth of previously unreleased studio tracks, that are very good too
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 22:32
I also have the re-mastered CD of Drama and the previously unreleased material is very good as is the original album. I still rank Fragile as my favourite Yes album but Drama is very high in my Yes charts. I rate it a 4 to 4.5. 
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Posted By: Green and Funky
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 23:27
I too agree Drama is very good. Machine Messiah is certainly a
classic track. I don't mind the different vocals at all. Probably in
my top 5 Yes.
My favorite Yes albums:
1.Close to the Edge
2.Going for the One
3.The Yes Album
4.Relayer
5.Drama
6.Fragile
The extra tracks on the remaster are a good lot, I especially like
"Song No. 4".
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Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 23:32
I think Drama rates five stars. One of my favorite albums, and one of the best showcases for Squire, Howe, and White that exists. The vocals, both Horn and Squire are superb, and the melodies and lyrics are intelligent and surprising. And fantastic instrumenation. Complex, off-beat runs played to absolute effortless perfection.
I hadn't even heard it until earlier this year and was absolutely blown away by it. It's in a different class than CTTE, Fragile, Relayer, et al. but in its own way, it is a fiery, powerful experience.
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 23:41
Well I'm glad some other people agree with me. I wasn't sure what people
thought of it after seeing that it was only rated a 3.77.
------------- One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 23:46
Drama = very 
Esp. with all the bonus tracks. Great CD. Deff. four stars.
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Posted By: WillieThePimp
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 00:07
I remember starting this very same thread and I always love when I see
it again. Drama was my introduction to Yes and it is my favorite album
from them.
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 00:40
Yea
Drama is brilliant, isn't Machine Messiah like the best song ever released in the 80's
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Posted By: jman89
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 03:01
Drama is one of the most badass albums of the 80's and in Yes' enitre catalogue!
I'm glad that Jon left for that album cause I don't think Machine
Messiah would have been made if he was still with the band at that
time. It would've been really great if that lineup did stay throughout
the 80's, then some of the arrogant Yesfans might not think too
crappily of the 80's period for them!
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 03:41
I also think that it is a four star album. "Machine Messiah" is a wonderful song! Their last good album IMO. It also proves, that Squire and Howe are the essential core of YES, though Anderson is also important but provenly not impossible to be replaced! Actually, I didn't first even realize that there is a different singer on this one!
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Posted By: yesman72
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 03:53
Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 04:14
I guess this is a prefect example of how music is a subjective experience.
I personally don't see how you rate Drama over Tormato. (Admittedly
Tormato does have a number of weak moments but so does Drama) On their
own merits both albums should receive a similar rating IMO as they fall
somewhere in the middle of Yes's catalogue - neither the strongest nor
the weakest albums.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 08:17
Love Drama, great album, 5 stars and a top 5 Yes fav for me.
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Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 06:43
"Drama" is far better than "Tormato" in terms of music, although Trevor Horn isn't a good singer. In a list of top 10 Yes albums, I would place it as the sixth better:
Yes Album
Close to the Edge
Fragile
Relayer
Going for the One
Drama
Tales from Topographic Oceans
Yes
Time and a Word
Magnification
Barbs, about the comparison between "Drama" and "Tormato": IMHO, the strongest tracks at the first are actually better than the strongest at the second, and "Tormato"'s weakest tracks are among the worst thing Yes have produced in all time (with the exception of Big Generator, Union and Open Your Eyes - these albums should be deleted of the Yes catalogue). But it's all subjective, as you pointed. We both will be happier listening to our favourites between these albums than discussing it.
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Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 06:52
Yes with a pop song writer at the helm... hmmm. Trevor did his best, but pardon the pun, he was a bit like a fish out of water.
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: November 06 2005 at 05:16
FragileDT wrote:
Well I'm glad some other people agree with me. I wasn't sure what people
thought of it after seeing that it was only rated a 3.77. |
I would have thought 3.77 was a pretty good score for any album. I love
Drama and gave it a four star review, so that's kind of in that
ballpark. How would you give it more, in light of the fact that Fragile
may be a four star album or Close to the Edge a five star album? Is it
as good as Close to the Edge? Most people would say no. Hence a 3.77
average.
I think when people are reviewing albums here, they really need to be
more judicious with the use of five stars for a record. They can't all
be perfect, can they?
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: November 06 2005 at 14:18
It's one of my favorite Yes albums, but I could hardly call it a
masterpiece. I'd give it in the range of 3.5-4.0; it's still a
great effort full of new and fresh ideas.
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Posted By: Lateralus_66
Date Posted: November 06 2005 at 15:51
Drama was Jon Anderson’s drama. With this masterpiece the rest of the members provided evidence how good could be the band without him. 
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Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 02:12
I'm not the biggest fan of Drama. And I don't think Tormato is that bad. Drama is definitely better than 90125, though. 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 05:36
I agree with most of the people here on Drama being a very good album, although marred by Trevor Horn's adequate but certainly not earth-shattering vocals. "Machine Messiah" is indeed classic Yes at full steam.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 09:00
I like Drama a lot. Jon Anderson singing on this would have made it an absolute classic, but hey, Trev didn't do too bad, did he.
Machine Messiah and Does it Really Happen are my favourites.
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Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 09:03
An OK album, but certianly NOT classic Yes.
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Posted By: yargh
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 09:05
I'd rate Drama 2 stars. I like Machine Messiah a lot, but the rest of the album mostly a dud. And Tempus Fugit is terrible.
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 12:04
Drama is a good album... is rare to hear Yes without Jon ...
Trevor Horn is a good guy ... but i missed Jon in that album...
Into the lens 
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 17:28
Wouldn't say it was a masterpiece to be honest- 'Man In A White Car' is one of the most inconsequential Yes songs ever and 'Run Through The Light' is just dull. However, 'Machine Messiah' and 'Does It Really Happen' are great tracks. 'Tempus Fugit' I always found slightly overrated to be honest, but it's still a good track.
Would get 3/5 from me...
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Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 01:08
M. B. Zapelini wrote:
"Drama" is far better than "Tormato" in terms of music, although Trevor Horn isn't a good singer.
Barbs, about the comparison between "Drama" and "Tormato": IMHO,
the strongest tracks at the first are actually better than the
strongest at the second, and "Tormato"'s weakest tracks are
among the worst thing Yes have produced in all time (with the
exception of Big Generator, Union and Open Your Eyes - these
albums should be deleted of the Yes catalogue). But it's all
subjective, as you pointed. We both will be happier listening to our
favourites between these albums than discussing it. |
M. B., after you wrote that post I went back and listened to both
albums over again and apart from Machine Messiah, which I think is a
very strong track and probably quite influential, I still cannot see
how anyone could rate the album above the other.
In fact, Silent Wings of Freedom is probably one of the most underrated
songs in the Yes catalogue. Release, Release which has been accused of
being just a plain old rock song also has more value than that and
Madrigal is really quite a beautiful short composition and certainly
not mainstream.
The other thing about Tormato which needs to be noted is that even
if you don't appreciate 'Don't kill the Whale', which is certainly not
my fav song, it is historically an important composition because at the
time of the writing of that song, Blue Whales had become depleted to
the point of extinction (appx 1% of original stock) and that song
certainly played its part in promoting the need to protest and promote
change in the modus operandi of whaling nations such as Japan in order
to prevent the complete extinction of the species. So even those who
argue that Jon's words are too esoteric and incomprehensible should
appreciate the importance of the album and the song in terms of
our ecological history. Vocally, even though Trevor Horn didn't do a
bad job he just does not have the consistent quality in his voice that
Jon does. Trevor is an excellent back up, harmony vocalist but Jon was
and always will be the lead voice of Yes.
I understand that some of the songs on the album are (as some people
put it) twee which applies to the first couple of songs on side 2,
however, Drama has some pretty weak moments to. Personally after
listening to them both, in my 'subjective' opinion, Tormato is a more
interesting album; the last of the classic
Yes lineup for a very long time. But I also agree with the wisdom of
your final comment, "We both will be happier listening to our
favourites beween these albums than discussing it." 
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 11:34
Great album! I would rate it around 3.5 or 4/5 
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Posted By: ElwoodHerring
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 12:06
Drama's good - it just lacks Jon Anderson's vocals to make it great (sorry Trevor!)
Has anyone ever noticed the coincidence of three Prog albums coming out at the same time which all had songs about cameras?
Yes - "Into the Lens" from Drama
Gentle Giant "I am a Camera" from Civilian (which started with the sound of a camera clicking)
Renaissance - "Camera Camera" which started with exactly the same sound effect!
Plus "I am a Camera" by Buggles (which doesn't really count as it was the precursor to "Into the Lens")
It's similar to the "Power of Love" coincidence in 1984 (Jennifer Rush, Frankie GTH, Huey Lewis, plus one by 10cc that wasn't released as a single, but all in 1984.
How about starting a thread on bizarre coincidences?
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