are CAMEL overrated ?
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Topic: are CAMEL overrated ?
Posted By: Guests
Subject: are CAMEL overrated ?
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:21
I`ve listened to a fair bit of Camel and although I think they are very good I fail to see what the big deal is about them on this site ... so I ask you the question are CAMEL overrated ? 
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:25
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Not Another Overrated Thread  I choose not to participate! ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:42
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You need some Ulking therapy: ULKULKULKULKULKULKULKULK! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:42
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i need to buy some milk ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:45
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This stuff is getting old,think you can make a thread that doesn't have overrated/underrated in the title? -------------  |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:49
I think that MY posts are typically underrated, but I guess thats just my opinion
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:51
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I think that my electric bill is overrated! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:51
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@ Meurygls III^ And so is my ulking too! But of course, we have haters who think they are OVERRATED! Anyways, I think Overrated threads are just sooooo overrated |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:52
Bills are ALMOST ALWAYS overrated ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Snow Dog wrote:Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:54
^ Yes, definitely. And so is The Flower Kings charging 7 more bucks for shipping 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 21:25
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Is it really important whether some band is overrated or underrated? If I like (or dislike) something I don't care about ratings. |
Posted By: Alagithil
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 21:29
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Just to annoy everybody, I'm going to write an actual thoughtful analysis here. Wrong place, wrooong time.
I think that the biggest thing about Camel is that they are a very professional, musical band. Yes was always cosmic in intent, Pink Floyd philosophical, Genesis mystical/humorous, King Crimson experimental, but Camel was interested in forming perfect, beautiful, melodic, and engaging music. This makes them one of the most approachable and laudable prog bands out there. However, it also means it often breaks down to whether you like this hook or that atmosphere. If "Lady Fantasy" fails to captivate you, that has more to do with you than with Camel. ------------- Life is like an avantgarde play because tuna. |
Posted By: Gedhead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 21:51
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Let's see. Camel - Snow Goose #8 Rush - Moving Pictures #10 Ahh, yeah Camel is way overrated. Ridiculously so. |
Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 21:56
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Their first four albums are true rock (not just prog) masterpieces. Even if they never had recorded anything after this their artistic value would be the same. |
Posted By: ulver982
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 22:33
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Camel are not overrated. ------------- Improvement makes straight roads, but the crooked roads without improvement, are roads of genius. Silence is the music of the future. |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 23:18
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Nope. They certainly don't get the credit they deserve outside of the archives. -------------  
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 23:48
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Camel are only overrated by themselves ( Latimer included...lol) Look back and listen to Rain Dances or Mirage and you will know....rajaz ages well, like a mellow wine ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 01:35
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Camel are not overrated!, they are unique and can't be compared with none of the other prog bands. I own seven albums of Camel (all from Mirage to I Can See Your House From Here)...though they gradually came down to more popish fields, the explanation is that they hava given to us such a wonderful prog material during that declinying period (1975-1977)!! Snow Goose and Moonmadness are enough reason for a five star rating! |
Posted By: RoyalJelly
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 01:38
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I've always found "Lady Fantasy" to be over-blown and
riddled with clichés, and Camel itself very boring and unoriginal, but for someone who likes it, that shouldn't matter. For 25 years I've been listening to Peter Hammill, and I've never met one other person who really likes him, people always found it depressing and grating, but that didn't affect my enjoyment of his music. It's cool to see on this site that so many other people appreciate him too. |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 10:02
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No they are not overrated , the sad thing is their classic period was way too short
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 10:25
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In the movie Clueless, there is a girl who asks a question to her best friend: why are people always overwhelmed or underwhelmed, but never just "whelmed"? My question is: why are bands overrated or underrated, and never just "rated", like in a good review? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 10:27
let me ammend that post. Bills are overrated. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 10:28
 where does Almost always come into play.------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 10:30
agreed, don't think Camel is overrated either. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 15:35
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Not a chance- Camel are one of the greats, in my opinion, and have genuine emotion and feeling in their music, which some take (oddly imo) to be a weakness and call them 'second division'...This annoys me, as their albums are beautifully crafted and performed. |
Posted By: Publius84
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 16:14
| The threads such as "some band is overrated" Or "some band vs. some band" are boring and leads us to nowhere. It doesn't make any sense to start topics like that. |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 16:23
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No, why is that while Genesis, Tull, Yes, Pink Floyd were more famous, Camel happened to be in the long run just as influential on the Neo-progressive scene as Genesis.
They had a magical run of great albums, but my all time favorite will always be The Snow Goose
Charles ------------- G'day |
Posted By: ProgPartin
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 17:12
The Album reviews and ratings for Camel area great source of info. I can't say I like all of Camel's music but I would not say overrated. They made great inovations. |
Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 17:55
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Don't be ridiculous. They are underrated if anything; not everyone gives them their rightful place as the best band of all time. Now let's stop these bloody silly overrated/underrated threads. |
Posted By: Pseud0
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 18:03
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wtf is with these overrated threads camel is amazing ------------- 
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Posted By: mr.burns
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 18:14
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Camel is brilliant,moon madness is a classic. ------------- Father Ted: Sheep like all wool-bearing animals, instinctively travel north. Where it's colder, and they won't be so stuffy. |
Posted By: Biggles
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 21:16
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I think they're a very good band, but nowhere near geniuses. They can't touch stuff like "Close to the Edge," and, as I think one reviewer put it, "The Snow Goose" is lovely, and it is in fact so lovely that you could show it to your grandmother or great-grandmother and she would think it's lovely too. There's no real danger behind it, nothing shocking or particularly new. It's a good band with very competent musicians, and Andy Latimer's prioritization of melody above noodling fingers is what makes that band and makes it sound fresh, but I wouldn't classify them as being one of the best prog bands ever. Not even close. ------------- The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe. http://www.last.fm/user/sbonfiglioli/?chartstyle=red"> 
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Posted By: RoyalJelly
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 08:44
Camel as influential as Genesis? Let's get serious. I've never heard a single innovation in the music of Camel (and we gave them a big chance back in the day, up until Raindance, there one had to draw the line, and they never delivered), they always seemed to be comfortably riding in the wake of the other band's innovations. That said, threads of this nature are much overrated. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 08:47
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Camel are not in the same class as Genesis ,Tull and Yes not even close
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Posted By: ElwoodHerring
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 09:09
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I wish Andy Latimer had joined up with Pink Floyd when Roger Waters left. That would have been my ideal band. Floyd has the power and the glory, Latimer (i.e. Camel) has the melody that later Floyd lacked, and I reckon he would have fitted in perfectly.
Just my 2 minims' worth...  ------------- [IMG]http://www.herring.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/DRMkillb.JPG"> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4816930.stm - Right the Copyright Wrongs (Bill Thompson's BBC blog - essential reading!) |
Posted By: Alagithil
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 21:47
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I would also say Camel are to prog what Love are to psychedelia--mixing the best of every influence in a great melting pot and coming out with a lovely, musically perfect concoction.
If you haven't heard Forever Changes, do so. ------------- Life is like an avantgarde play because tuna. |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 03:23
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I bought their "Moodmadness" album from the discount as it had neat covers, and it was recommended by a record shop keeper who knew my prog tastes. As a lunatic I ofcourse fell in I had problems geeting into their other albums though. I loaned "Snowgoose" from the library, but I found it boring. My friend has one of their vinyl, where the camel is on a train or something on the album cover, and he played me a nice ballad song from it. I'm also having "Raindances" for me soon, and I'll check out, as it was recommended to my (by snow dog I recall? |
with it immetiuadly. Always on the winter nights, when the sky is clear and the full moon gleams the snowy landscape, I just have to put "Lunar sea" rolling on my turntable. 
). But are there any other suggestion, which albums by this overrated (