I love Phil Collins
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Topic: I love Phil Collins
Posted By: FragileDT
Subject: I love Phil Collins
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 21:50
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The title is sarcastic. I just wanted to ask people about this...
Phil Collin's did a song with LIL KIM called "In the air tonight?" Please tell me this was a Collin's song previous to this and he didn't write a song with lil kim. Plus look at the words... '[Phil Collins] I can feel it coming in the air tonight Oh Lord And I've been waiting for this moment For all my life Oh Lord, Oh Lord [Lil' Kim] Keep still in the sh*t, killin the rhyme The Queen stay poppin the wine and cockin the nine For those who think they stoppin my dough Wanna copy my show, wha I'm switchin my flow, can't take it no mo' Oh you think I'm playin around I'm layin ya down Album drop, new millenium shuttin it down Better off givin it up, I'm rippin it up Spendin money, livin it up, not givin a f**k Hiding the tote, runnin the coast Makin niggas catch the Holy Ghost I'm realer than most, wha The trendsetter, the Brooklyn repper You know the routine Smoke you like a ciggarette-r We've been, out in a bit Y'all still talkin sh*t Ain't that a bitch? What part of the game was this? [Lil' Kim singing] Millions I'm holdin' Drop tops rollin' Diamonds on my neck And Bentley ballin' Me and my niggas gettin' high all day Straight to the top, cuz we on our way [Lil' Kim rapping] Comin' for y'all, comin' for y'all That's right I got something for y'all Something for y'all, wha God bless me, look at all I've been through It's my time, I can feel it, can't you? Chorus: [Phil Collins] I can feel it coming in the air tonight Oh Lord And I've been waiting for this moment For all my life Oh Lord Can you feel it coming in the air tonight? Oh Lord, Oh Lord [DJ Clark Kent] JM, JM Lil' Kim, Lil' Kim PC, PC Clark [Phil Collins] Well I remember.. [Lil' Kim] ...back when it used to be the eighties Said the world was gon' end in 2000 (that's crazy) I'm the only thing to fear For the new year New year, and if BIG was here (woo) Get the fans, we the ones to talk We die real on the streets So watch where you walk And you can find me, usually Talkin' dirty to a cat thugged out Or even kinda nerdy Lil' Kim, Lil' Cease and JM Taking over like a plague on a town All y'all can do is pray and watch it go down Like when the ball drop My fam's all I got, we keep it gangsta Comin' for y'all, comin' for y'all That's right I got something for y'all Something for y'all, wha God bless me, look at all I've been through It's my time, I can feel it, can't you? [Phil Collins] Well, if you told me, you were drowning I would not a lend a hand I've seen your face before my friend But I don't know if you know who I am Well I was there and I saw what you did Saw it with my own two eyes So you can wipe off that grin I know where you've been It's all been a pack of lies [Phil Collins] I can feel it coming in the air tonight Oh Lord And I've been waiting for this moment For all my life Oh Lord, Oh Lord I can feel it coming in the air tonight Oh Lord And I've been waiting for this moment All my life Oh Lord, Oh Lord" It's a disgrace that he would even let her use it for those words. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
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Posted By: ChadFromCanada
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 22:03
| Yes, it is a Phil Collins song, previous to the collaboration with Lil Kim. It's called "In The Air Tonight". At least, the first part. |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 22:15
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Argh, I didn't think anyone could make this song worse than it already is! I'm not a huge fan of Phil's solo career. That's why I don't like hip-hop/rap on the whole... -------------   
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 22:19
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I actually think the original In The Air Tonight is a fantastic song ... and worth more than the rest of Phil Collins' solo career put together ... The song gives me chills ... in a good way ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 22:50
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I know the song in question, but in my head I keep getting Chris de Burgh's Lady In Red..., why is that? I think it's because of this: I've never seen you looking so lovely as you did tonight... Nothing in common except the word tonight... Strange. This Lil' Kim sample song/rap sounds worse than that Puff Daddy/Pee Diddy-dum-diddy-do sample of that Led Zeppelin track he did with Jimmy Page. -------------
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Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 23:23
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Hasn't Phil Collins also collaborated with Bone Thugs in Harmony? ------------- 
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Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 23:37
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I love Phil: a) he drummed on all the best Genesis albums b) he sang on Trick of the Tail, Wind and Wuthering, Seconds Out and And Then There Were Three... c) he's a driving force behind the possible reunion of the Genesis classic line up, and gracious enough to pass the mic back to Peter
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 23:50
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So you can forgive him for his solo career and the film Buster then? Fair play to you. He does do a lot work for charity and he does also play piano to a reasonable standard, so he's not all bad, it's just I don't like his awful pop ballads. I'm not denying his drumming ability and his work with Genesis and that other prog band he was in (Project X? Planet X?). -------------
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Posted By: Hibou
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 00:27
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Brand X is the name you're looking for. ------------- [IMG]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/Progueuse/Album.jpg"> Gene Police: You!! Out of the pool! |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 00:30
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Don't be mad at phil. In the Air Tonight (the original version)
is a great song. too bad lil kim has to come along and ruin
it. and let's not forget that Brand X is amazing. probably #2 in my list of fusion bands (after Mahavishnu). ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 01:04
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Thanks for clearing that up Hibou! I do have to say that Phil Collins can actually sing, I find his voice similar to Gabriel's on some of the stuff I've heard. I've yet to investigate Genesis yet, I will one day..., I'm not a usual progster, I start with VdGG and work my way back! -------------
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 01:12
I agree,it is a great tune. -------------  |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 01:42
Yeah, I'm not too big (in fact, not big at all) on radio hits or Phil Collins solo career so I have never heard the song. As long as I cleared up that Phil Collins didn't collaborate with lil kim to write this song. But why would he give her the rights to destroy one of his songs? ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 02:49
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WHY? WHY?WHY?
WHY IN THE WORLD???? Why must hip-hop "artists" always think they've got the right to spoil beautiful songs with their unbearable stuff??? 
In the air tonight is a great song... Hip-hop, r'n'b and the like all suck!!!  ------------- A flower? 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 03:20
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Phil Collins, along with many artists dont look at their music like their fans might. They see their songs as products, the rights to which can be purchased by other artists or producers. On the one hand Phil Collins will tell you what a personal song - inspired by his marriage breakdown - 'In the air tonight' is. Then he'll allow it to be b*stardised and homogenised like that. I'm sure you'll find that most pop/rock stars have very little integrity when it comes down to making money. Look at that w*nker Macartney flogging the rights to the Beatles catalogue to his idot friend Jacko. Then years later flapping about whose name should come first on the credits to some songs, his or Lennons. Arseholes, the lot of them.. It's a good job they have the talent to entertain us, they'd have nothing going for them otherwise..
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 03:32
I certainly agree about the artists not looking at music the way their fans do ... whcih is why we see songs used on ads (had a thread about that just a few days ago) ... and also a bunch of collaboratorations that have most of us cringing ... Elton John and Blue, Queen and Five, Jimmy Page and Puff Daddy, Sting and Craig David, Santana and Michelle Branch ... the list is endless ... I heard a different story about the Beatles catalougue though, Blacksword ... Apparently the pair became friends and recorded a couple of tracks together (Say Say Say and The Girl Is Mine) and then Jacko was so inspired that he oubid Macca when the Beatles catalogue came up for auction .. Macca was furious and they haven't spoken since ... that's the story I heard at least ... ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 03:34
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Because they lack creativity mostly. There are some good rappers out there, not my style at 43 but still recognisable as good. The problem is most of them are record company brands and just dish out ' shock' material. It is what sells these days unfortunately. Floyd gave wyclif jean ' Wish You Were Here'. I mean really, personally I find that almost blasphemous but hey you won't and can't stop the gravy train Collins's debut album, Face Value was a classic, and he did cover versions of a certain John Lennon so go figure!!! ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 03:39
You could be right. But I think the critical point here, was why was the catalogue up for auction in the first place? I'm sure Macartney could have vetoed any decision by the record company to put it up for sale. Surely an artist has that right?? Maybe not.. A good example of how certian songs can end up with unfortunate asscociations is 'Everybody Hurts' by REM. Michael Stipe said it now belonged to the people, and is used as the soundtrack to every human tragedy that unfolds in the world. He now says it's not an REM song, but an advert for misery and despair, and he hates it. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 03:50
Check out Guardian article below ... apparently not McCartney's decision ... he didn't own Beatles songs ... no wonder artists can get so cynical ... Jackson angers ex-Beatles The three surviving members of the Beatles attack fellow singer Michael Jackson in a magazine article published today for 'cheapening' their work by allowing it to be used in advertising.
Jackson, who bought the publishing rights to the Beatles ' music for £50m in 1985, allows songs to be used in TV commercials for products including Nike trainers. He is thought to have received about $250,000 (about £166,000) for one advert. He was backed by Paul McCartney, who said Jackson - with whom he recorded two singles in the 1980s, Say Say and The Girl Is Mine - had 'cheapened' the songs released. The bitter comments are made in the latest edition of Elle magazine, just ahead of the release of the Beatles Anthology album this month, which will feature the first new tracks for a quarter of a century. McCartney was outbid by Jackson for the rights and is said to still be furious at his refusal either to sell them back or, more gallingly, to increase his royalties, despite stories that Yoko Ono has re-negotiated the share due to her late husband, John Lennon. It is perhaps an even more painful pill to swallow because, as he reveals in a book, McCartney: Yesterday And Today, by Ray Coleman, that it was he who advised Jackson, at a lunch party given by singer and actor Adam Faith, to get into publishing. The 4,000-song ATV catalogue includes over 159 Lennon-McCartney Northern Songs gems and almost 100 other Beatles compositions. The group own neither their greatest compositions nor their most treasured recordings. Despite the row, Jackson sees himself as a custodian of the great recordings of the 1960s, and recently blocked a rap album of Beatles' songs.
------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 04:07
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^ Fair enough. I can understand Macartneys anger. It's clearly Jacksons integrity in question here, not Maccas. Sorry, Paul... What a terrible business.. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 10:28
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I hate that crap Lil' Kim rap version of "In The Air Tonight"!! It ruins the original version for me!!! ---------- Phil Collins' work with Brand X is totally mind blowing, IMO. He's a fantastic drummer, one of my absolute favorites! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: ldlanberg
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 00:57
I whole-heartedly concur. Phil was great for Genesis. Excellent stage performer. Its too bad he really didn't like the band's music...or at least one of his dual personalities says so pretty often. If only I had a penny for every time Phil contradicted himself. Now that I'm on this subject (again): Phil once stated he became a fan, and friend, of Bill Bruford by going to early Yes concerts. IN ANOTHER interview, Phil said he never really liked Yes. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? What''s up with that, Phil?! ------------- LDL |
Posted By: Prosciutto
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 10:21
As far as I know that's TRUE, Phil used to attend to Yes gigs around 1970 and got to know Bill Bruford and Chris Squire. Collins even was considered to fill in the drums department as Bill was planning to leave the band and study at the university, in the end Phil never got to rehearse with the band and Bill stayed. ------------- Don't be a prog-hole, please... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 18:30
Phil Collins reminds me of a flim flam man .. he puts on the mask for whatever style or trend is selling at the time and masquerades around, I`m surprised I`m one of the few that see this. The sad fact is he is a brilliant drummer and he can sing this makes me more angry with his antics how I wish he would put on the mask that fits him best ... Prog ...
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Posted By: Space Dimentia
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 18:56
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Phill Collins is evil! He an Chris de Burgh are the evil twins of pop! Have you heard his solo albums! The man is pure, unaltered evil! ------------- Prog is music for the mind Hear your Orphaned child! Check out my bands myspace site: www.myspace.com/equinox17 |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 23:24
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Oooh, I wish it would rain down, down on me... Good lyrics there Phil (insert relevant sarcasm emoticon). Has anyone seen Buster? Awful film. I do sometimes wonder about Phil's integrity to music, is he just jumping on the bandwagon? -------------
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 23:55
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Your guys views are respected, but I still think some of them are pathetic! Never ever forgets Phil's contribution to Genesis ( whichever frigging period) and...his contribution to pop...for better or worse, Gabriel's departure also unearthed an unpolished diamond at the time. Give me...more fool me give me...dance on a volcanoe give me.....11th earl of mar give me....ballad of big give me....in the air tonight give me....do you remember give me........dance into the light never forget his true roots and ANYTHING BRAND X ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 00:01
I have the soundtrack  ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 01:04
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I don't even remember the soundtrack, is it done by Phil or some other bands?
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Posted By: ldlanberg
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 01:18
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Oh, I agree with that. He did such inspired performances with the band, particularly during the '76 - '77 tours that I actually find it hard to believe his claim of not liking their music. How can anyone put SO much into something they don't like??? I could never do that. But then again, that's Phil Collins 1 speaking. Maybe when his other personality kicks-in again (Phil Collins 2), we'll be hearing just how much he loved the music. Inconsistency #427 by Phil: I was just recently reading a really long, extensive interview with Phil. I think it was from 1981. Phil kept trying to drive home just how much he revered Soul music and R&B such as Earth Wind and Fire, how it was his driving force in music, and how he'd rather listen to that than he would Yes (whose music, all of a sudden, he claimed he never liked). He claimed that Tony and Mike purged all of his Soul-inspired contributions from the final Abacab cuts. BUT: Phil had his own toy band in the 70s, his pet project to where he basically played anything he pleased. Didn't have to worry about the evil Tony Banks or the stuffy Mike Rutherford drowning out his pleas for earnest Soul. The band was called BRAND X. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Brand X would hardly be mistaken for The Temptations.
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Posted By: pero
Date Posted: November 21 2005 at 04:16
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The world of prog could be much nicer without him. Genesis wold made some exeelent albums after Lamb lies (with Gabriel) Everything that Collins touch became dirty and poppy |
Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: November 21 2005 at 14:10
I agree 100%!  Phil Collins makes me puke...  |
Posted By: Peace Frog
Date Posted: November 26 2005 at 15:10
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I HATE REMIXES/ DUETS WITH RAP and/or HIP HOP MEGASTARS!!!! ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: SlipperFink
Date Posted: November 28 2005 at 01:05
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Great drummer.
Talented musician. He was in this band GENESIS. The singer was this guy named Peter. Then Peter quit the band and I think Phil the drummer was killed in a terrible boating accident 'cause all the stuff that said "Genesis" on the front cover had this miserable squeaking troll, WITH DREADFUL LYRIC on it... and the drumming pretty much went to sh*t. No worries.... The records that followed made great frisbees and oversize drink coasters. I even melted one into a candy dish. Still have it. It's full of tiny, but deadly, grenades. SM. ------------- Modesty is an ornament, but one goes further without it. Old German Proverb |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: November 28 2005 at 01:09
| I thought "In The Air Tonight" was about a man with gastric problems |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 28 2005 at 01:14
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Maybe, because listening that song produces me diarrhea. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: November 28 2005 at 01:16
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