Kevin Gilbert
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Topic: Kevin Gilbert
Posted By: GPFR
Subject: Kevin Gilbert
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 19:24
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Underrated. Two reasons why I made this thread: Two many Over rated
threads, and the fact that he is one of my favorite artist which
everyone seems to neglect. I've tried showing his stuff to people but
people are just like "Oh, I haven't heard of him he must Suck." Which
as we all know isn't true. But anyway, Kevin Gilbert is amazing, with
Toy Matinee', Giraffe, and his solo stuff he is simply great. My
favoite of his stuff is The Shaming of the True, a great concept album,
which he covers a song from one of his Giraffe albums. Too bad the guy
died just before auditioning for new Genesis lead singer. It would have
been great! So what ydo you guys think about this guy?
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Posted By: Tiresias
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 21:59
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Kevin Gilbert did so much for progressive rock, its shameful that he is still relatively unknown. He managed Spock's Beard, Worked with proggers and regular musicians, nailed sheryl crow, and released the single greatest blow to the music industry: The Shaming of the True. He was a musical genius and should be regaled. Unfortunately, he probably wouldn't have luck with Genesis. While a genius, he wasn't particularly lucky. I don't think he could've brought them back from the pits. But KG is sick, man. A musical monster. He was taken far too early. Did you learn how he died?
------------- Wh'ghal ng'fth mglw'y Ry'leh, Cthulhu fhtagn...  |
Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 22:03
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The only album I have by him is The Shaming of the True and it's really
great. I'd love to get some other stuff by him one of these days. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tiresias
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 22:04
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Good luck finding any others. Unless you buy from his site, they're damn hard to find. ------------- Wh'ghal ng'fth mglw'y Ry'leh, Cthulhu fhtagn... |
Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 22:15
Yeah, I learned how he died. It's uhh... rather sick. I think Genesis would have been his big break! As far as Sheryl crow goes, thats the reason I don't like her, did you look into it? Gilbert was in a band called Tuesday Night Club and they wrote all the songs for Sheryl Crow, who was KG BF at the time, and after the album became a success, she dumped him saying he only used him for the album. I didn't know he managed Spocks Beard, well, that explains something. Ever listen to his Stuff with Giraffe and Toy Matinee? ------------- www.myspace.com/hail_peter
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Tiresias wrote:Posted By: kenmeyerjr
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 09:12
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I think you are slightly wrong, G...there was an actual club of sorts called the Tuesday Night Music club where people like Crow (and David Baerwald, a huge favorite of mine and also way underappreciated) would get together and try out songs on each other. I did hear, when Crow finally made it, that she left some people behind she maybe shouldn't have. But I am 99% sure there was no actual band with that name, just an ad hoc meeting group. ------------- If you like art of musicians, check my site (the music section) and tell me what you think! http://www.kenmeyerjr.com |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 11:17
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I love Kevin Gilbert and was listening to him before his death.Finding his work is frustrating sometimes.Especially his Giraffe albums.I think The Shaming of the True is one of the greatest concept albums ever. About Crow....Kevin and some friends had informal jam sessions every Tuesday night.They called themselves the Tuesday Night Music Club.Kevin met Sheryl,who had just lost a record deal.He brought her in and she started singing at these informal jam sessions.Kevin and his friends started writing music,most of which would appear on Crowe's debut album.They also performed all the music on her album,and Kevin got Crowe another record deal.Kevin didn't really worry about having writing credits for the album because he didn't know it would become the smash hit it became.The album came out and was a huge success.Then Crowe(who was also dating KG),dismissed the whole band and blew KG off.She wouldn't acknowledge his credits to her success,but eventually caved and he was given some writing credit,particularly for the song "All I Wanna Do(Is Have Some Fun)",which he detested,and Kevin did win a Grammy for songwriting.He thought that would get the attention of record companies,but they pretty much shunned him,because like most geniuses,he had a reputation for being difficult to work with.A lot of his frustrations in dealing with record companies and record company executives are reflected in The Shaming of the True. Tireasis,don't know where you got your info but KG did not manage Spock's Beard.He was involved in the production of their first few albums and most of their albums were recorded at his studio,Lawn Mower & Garden Supply(if you watch the dvd The Making of V most of that is shot in that studio). His list of credits for someone who was only 28 when he passed away(from auto-erotic asphyxiation) is staggering.Not just performing but also production,songwriting,etc.He wrote songs for Madonna,Michael Jackson(also produced his Dangerous album),Tina Turner.He performed and wrote songs on Keith Emerson's "Changing States" album I urge you guys to snatch up everything by him you can,his solo albums The Shaming of the True and Thud,Thud Live at the Troubadour,his Giraffe albums,the brilliant Toy Matinee albums.The album he was recording when he died is very different,The Kaviar Sessions.It's dark and shocking and most of the lyrics are spoken rather than sung.Also,if you can find the recorded version of KG and Giraffe performing the entire Lamb Lies Down on Broadway(complete with costume changes)at Nearfest 94 BUY it.It is really rare and the best performance of that album I have heard(other than Genesis,of course). The site maintained by his estate is really nice,check it out: http://www.kevingilbert.com/ - http://www.kevingilbert.com/ -------------  |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 16:01
Kevin Gilbert was awesome - I'm a fan  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 16:30
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 16:31
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GPFR, your signature has _got_ to be a Steven Wright joke. Am I right?
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Posted By: Tiresias
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 21:40
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Sorry, the Progtologist is right. He wrote "The Water" (hence F-U) and produced, not managed
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: December 15 2006 at 12:28
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I've lent Jakko Jakszyk (who have been cited by a number of people here as releasing the best prog album of 2006, in the form of The Bruised Romantic Glee Club) a copy of Kevin Gilbert's The Shaming of The True last June. He has only just got round to listening to it, and felt the need to let me know his reaction:
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Having had my work cut out these past 6 months or so has left me no
time for pleasurable things like reading or listening to music for pleasure. Consequentially I have only just listened to the Kevin Gilbert's 'Shaming of the true" . I have listened to it continuously for the last 4 days. It's an extraordinary piece of work. One that I wouldn't have never discovered had you not given it to me. It makes me want to start a new record!!!! [end of quote]
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: December 15 2006 at 12:36
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some very interesting info here on Kevin Gilbert -------------  Prog Archives Tour Van 
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), must check out The Shaming of The True if i can find it!Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: December 15 2006 at 13:22
I'm sure we can point you in the right direction but it ain't Amazon.UK ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 15 2006 at 13:33
Yeah, another member of The Kevin Gilbert Thursday Night Music Club here... The Shaming Of The True is one of the greatest albums of all time, regardless of genre. How exactly DID he die, it says "accidental asphyxiation" but that's a euphemism used quite often with Rock Star deaths....? |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 15 2006 at 13:54
I agree,TSOTT is one of the greatest albums ever,and my favorite album of all time.It is a masterpiece in every sense of the word. As to cause of death,how can I explain this and try to be delicate?He was found in bed wearing a leather hood,leather skirt,and had one end of a belt looped around his neck and the other end around the bedpost.It was classic auto-erotic asphyxiation,which was an aspect of his life that no one had a clue about.His official cause of death is listed as "accidental suicide". ------------- |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 15 2006 at 13:55
Order it from his official site,which is maintained by his estate.That is where I got mine from. ------------- |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 15 2006 at 14:14
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Thanks Jody. Fort those interested here's an article about Gilbert's death: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1996/09/15/PK43609.DTL - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1996/09/15/PK43609.DTL and a blog about his beefs with Sheryl Crow: http://www.kempa.com/blog/archives/000708.html - http://www.kempa.com/blog/archives/000708.html |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: December 15 2006 at 18:34
Kevin Gilbert is (was  ) one of the BEST voices coming out of the USA since the last 20 years. He proved to be be a very talented vocalist, as well as a skillful keyboardist (there is an unreleased instrumental track from the NRG sessions that has a strong ELP influence). he is not very known outside of the boundaries of America, but he could have been brought to the ears of a wider audience if he hadn't died of an absurd death just before replacing Phil Collins on vocals in Genesis. It's a pity his earlier works are not featured in PA's database. In fact, NRG IS a prog band (if you doubt about it check out the free mp3s available on KG's official website). Giraffe was a more pop affair, but they had nevertheless some good songs ("the world just gets smaller", "because of you", "last plane out"...). KG turned to something more aggressive after his toy matinee sessions, and I must admit I prefer the tone of his voice in the earlier days of his musical career, even if some mannerism emanates from them, than the more forced voice/spoken words he uses in his latest releases (however, "song for a dead friend" brought tears to my eyes the first time I heard it). Most of the people here seem to praise 'the shaming of the true' as the culminating point of his career, and overlook his earlier works. However, I find some true gems among the first phase of his musical activity : the whole NRG sessions, Giraffe was not that bad, some of the songs on the toy matinee project are really amazing (especially the title track) and some unreleased tracks are loaded with a high dose of emotion : "dana rae", "another day", "simpler times", "when strangers part" (the version with KG on vocals). I think his live rendition of CSNY's "suite judy blue eyes" is better than the original. A truly gifted man, who left the world too soon... ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: December 15 2006 at 18:38
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Has anyone noticed how "image maker" sounds similar to "abacab" ? ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 15 2006 at 23:35
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Lucas...NRG is here in the archives on Kevin's page. I would really like to see his other work here.I think Giraffe could be included here,either as part of KG's discography or as a seperate entry,and Toy Matinee could be included in Prog Related.The Kaviar Sessions could also be included in Kevin's discography. I would really like to see his estate finally release the couple albums of original,unreleased material of his that they say they have. ------------- |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: December 16 2006 at 06:43
This material in the archives sounds a must for release. As a reminder of the Genesis connection, Giraffe have three Genesis covers on the Progfest 94 recording issued by Musea. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: December 17 2006 at 14:44
 I didn't notice, there must have been a quick update since the last time I watched the KG page...------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: December 17 2006 at 19:18
A good friend put me onto Kevin Gilbert - he is superb - a sad loss to prog 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 17 2006 at 19:23
Who? You're good friend? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: oracus
Date Posted: December 17 2006 at 22:49
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I was looking desperately for his albums but no results in Greece. So im definately going to buy it from his web site. Good thread :-) -------------  |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: December 18 2006 at 06:02
Thud (with the bonus ep) is available through Amazon.UK, but otherwise bought other of his albums from the Kevin Gilbert Estates website - delivery from California to UK was quick. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: February 09 2008 at 04:42
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Kevin Gilbert is f**king awesome. I heard the free mp3s, I'm going to get his stuff. The Sultan of Bernai makes SGM completely obsolete. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 09 2008 at 14:15
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Thanks for resurrecting this thread, KC776. KG is one of my favourite vocalists. It's a shame he didn't get the recognition he deserved. He was also a talented keyboardist. The way he died is a bit disturbing..."only the good die young"... ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: February 10 2008 at 14:17
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mmm... I think it´s time I get The Shaming of the true
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 10 2008 at 14:19
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Check here, Matias,
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=iW57uYoQ0H8&feature=related - http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=iW57uYoQ0H8&feature=related
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=FRwE1cWKe2k - http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=FRwE1cWKe2k
After these vids.... I bought the entire DVD. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 10 2008 at 14:39
That album is very dark and dreary.I love it,even though The Kaviar Sessions is quite different than his other work,it's almost an industrial album.
If you liked The Sultan of Brunei you should really try to check out the whole album.The whole album is awesome but the songs "Pretty" and "Making Christy Cry" are incredible.
I recently added his Toy Matinee project under Prog Related,and Atkingani recently added Giraffe  .------------- |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 10 2008 at 14:40
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=hRGMEIX1a5Y - http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=hRGMEIX1a5Y 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 10 2008 at 14:47
Great song.
Toy Matinee's album is the best pop album EVER. ------------- |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 10 2008 at 14:57
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^ it's surely the best attempt at writing musically challenging pop music that I know.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 11 2008 at 08:48
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Something wrong wrt PA's search engine, put in 'Kevin Gilbert' and I have been directed to two threads but not this one??? However, something I added to one of those threads but makes more sense here:
Anybody checked out the tribute concert recording of Shaming of The True, found on the Kevin Gilbert Estates website: http://www.kevingilbert.com/Shaming_Of_The_True/Shaming_Concert_Claremont.htm - http://www.kevingilbert.com/Shaming_Of_The_True/Shaming_Concert_Claremont.htm
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Line-up: Nick D'Virgilio (lead vocal, drums), Mike Keneally (guitar, keyboards, vocals), Rick Musallam (guitar, vocals) Bryan Beller (bass), Chris G (drums) and Marc Ziegenhagen (keyboards). I hate to ask: but after D'Virgilio's major praiseworthy and noble efforts to get Shaming Of The True fully produced and out on disc, is he making a big mistake taking the lead vocals in this performance? One of the most painfully prog vocal recordings I have (now unplayed) in my collection, is of Neil Morse and D'Virgilio unplugged and singing largely Spocks Beard numbers. Now D'Virgilio has let loose his vocal chords once again, on what I've come to consider as sacrosanct music, especially with Gilbert setting the high original standard. Shaming is a rock opera that deserves major exposure, but IMHO this ain't a good start to the process. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 11 2008 at 09:52
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Nick is a good vocalist ... just listen to the last three Spock's Beard albums!
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 11 2008 at 09:57
True,but I think Kevin's vocals were better,and his vocal work on TSoTT was amazing.There are so many different moods and emotions expressed in the songs as the story progresses and Kevin conveyed them perfectly with his voice. ------------- |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 11 2008 at 12:50
Are the last three SB albums where to go? Since the two examples I've heard - one of an unplugged album with Neil Morse, as mentioned I had bought - he sounded at best, limited and at worse, painful! ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: February 12 2008 at 21:52
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^^ The latest SB album is the best with Nick on vocals. You can certainly get a feel for his voice and how it might work on TSotT from it. |