Overrated, but a lot of potential.

That's what I have to say about Dimebag.

King of Loss wrote: Overrated, but a lot of potential. That's what I have to say about Dimebag.

I don't know why,but that comment bugs me something terrible.

He was a founding member and driving force of one of THE best metal bands in the last 20 years,and blew away 90% of the guitarists playing today.

You talk about him like he was new on the scene and might be good with a little more practice.

He went beyond his potential and had nothing to prove at the time of his death.

Overrated my a**.

TheProgtologist wrote: King of Loss wrote: Overrated, but a lot of potential. That's what I have to say about Dimebag. I don't know why,but that comment bugs me something terrible. He was a founding member and driving force of one of THE best metal bands in the last 20 years,and blew away 90% of the guitarists playing today. You talk about him like he was new on the scene and might be good with a little more practice. He went beyond his potential and had nothing to prove at the time of his death. Overrated my a**.

This has been blown up too much by Flossy for me to avoid posting here.

Fist of all, I would not call Pantera one of the best metal bands of the last 20 years.  Sticking just to Dimebag's thrash metal crowd, I would easily pick bands like Megadeth, Testament, Metallica, Kreator, and many others ahead of Pantera.  Compared to Dimebag's own friendly rival Zakk Wylde, Dimebag is far inferior.  Wylde has managed to compose decent metal matierial with Ozzy, and has show a greater ability to compose with variation in Black Label Society.  Pantera has one album that i consider better-than-horrible, Cowboys From Hell.  Pantera had one repeatative sound, with no structure, no variation, and no compositional techniques. 

Let me be more specific

Composing- The only Pantera song that shows musical education is Cemetery Gates.  Other Pantera songs especially post Cowboys From Hell show NO musicality at all.  The guitar is simply power chords with a few scales here and there.  The tempos have only two styles.  Fast and slow, with not much fluxuation within the song.  The harmonies show no understanding of counterpoint whatsoever.  The time signatures are all 4/4, I'm yet to see a Pantera song in another time signature. 

Structure- Pantera has no respectable structure.  The verse-chorus-verse structure done by so many pop bands is all they have ever done.  There is barely any transition from hard to soft, and the soft songs are mostly segue other than Cemetery Gates and This Love.  I see nothing in Pantera that makes me feel like the song is going somewhere.  When I'm forced to listen to Pantera in my friend's car, I don't care what comes next in the song it's usually a solo and a bunch of repeats.  I just want the song to end so I can get bored listening to a different song. 

Technique- His technique is slightly admirable.  He has decent hands, but once again he fails to show any musicality whatsoever.  Playing screams harmonics of Em and Am chords are nothing special.  Playing fast over Em and Am chords is nothing special.  Dimebag is obviously no John Petrucci, not many people are, but even guitarists like Dave Mustaine, Marty Friedman, and Kirk Hammett have shown the ability to solo with skill that fits the composition over a more complex chord and rythym structure. 

Tone- Dimebag's playing is even harder to enjoy because of his terrible tone.  Some people may say his tone is like butter, but I think these people have never seen the inside of a recording studio in their lives.  Dimebag's tone is overdistorted, there is no definition in his tone at all.  It's almost impossible to tell what he's trying to play because it's so important that he has that terrible distorted overtone.  His rythym playing sounds like a pile of garbage to me because of this.  The best example of this is the Great Southern Trendkill album, there is almost notes in what he's playing.  Compare the clarity in Dimebag's playing to John Petrucci, they can't be compared.  One guy plays clear one dosen't.  To be fair let's compare to Dimebag to a guitarist who is not so clean and even has an influence from Dimebag, Mike Romeo.  Romeo is not the most articulated guitarist, but his tone is audible.  His tone doesn't overdrive the mixing console.  If I where forced to go into a studio and remix Symphony X and Pantera albums, I could actually Eq Romeo's tone to make it sound clear and articulated.  For Dimebag, I would have to go out to the music store, get a Rupert Neve guitar pre-amp, a Focusrite Red Stereo Compressor, and a copy of Pro-Tools and then I can think about what i want to do.  Dimebag may be a semi-decent player, but it can never show through that overdistorted tone.  Dimebag's tone is an overrated joke, anyone with any knowledge of recording a guitar tone can find fault here.

Mike Portnoy once said he wanted Dimebag in Liquid Tension Experiment, I think if Dimebag was in Liquid Tension Experiment, he might have learned something about producing an album and composing a song.  Dimebag has potential, but he doesn't know sh*t about music.

Why is it important to hear what I've done?  I'm not the one being tested here, Dimebag is.

AtLossForWords wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: King of Loss wrote: Overrated, but a lot of potential. That's what I have to say about Dimebag. I don't know why,but that comment bugs me something terrible. He was a founding member and driving force of one of THE best metal bands in the last 20 years,and blew away 90% of the guitarists playing today. You talk about him like he was new on the scene and might be good with a little more practice. He went beyond his potential and had nothing to prove at the time of his death. Overrated my a**. This has been blown up too much by Flossy for me to avoid posting here. Fist of all, I would not call Pantera one of the best metal bands of the last 20 years.  Sticking just to Dimebag's thrash metal crowd, I would easily pick bands like Megadeth, Testament, Metallica, Kreator, and many others ahead of Pantera.  Compared to Dimebag's own friendly rival Zakk Wylde, Dimebag is far inferior.  Wylde has managed to compose decent metal matierial with Ozzy, and has show a greater ability to compose with variation in Black Label Society.  Pantera has one album that i consider better-than-horrible, Cowboys From Hell.  Pantera had one repeatative sound, with no structure, no variation, and no compositional techniques.  Let me be more specific Composing- The only Pantera song that shows musical education is Cemetery Gates.  Other Pantera songs especially post Cowboys From Hell show NO musicality at all.  The guitar is simply power chords with a few scales here and there.  The tempos have only two styles.  Fast and slow, with not much fluxuation within the song.  The harmonies show no understanding of counterpoint whatsoever.  The time signatures are all 4/4, I'm yet to see a Pantera song in another time signature.  Structure- Pantera has no respectable structure.  The verse-chorus-verse structure done by so many pop bands is all they have ever done.  There is barely any transition from hard to soft, and the soft songs are mostly segue other than Cemetery Gates and This Love.  I see nothing in Pantera that makes me feel like the song is going somewhere.  When I'm forced to listen to Pantera in my friend's car, I don't care what comes next in the song it's usually a solo and a bunch of repeats.  I just want the song to end so I can get bored listening to a different song.  Technique- His technique is slightly admirable.  He has decent hands, but once again he fails to show any musicality whatsoever.  Playing screams harmonics of Em and Am chords are nothing special.  Playing fast over Em and Am chords is nothing special.  Dimebag is obviously no John Petrucci, not many people are, but even guitarists like Dave Mustaine, Marty Friedman, and Kirk Hammett have shown the ability to solo with skill that fits the composition over a more complex chord and rythym structure.  Tone- Dimebag's playing is even harder to enjoy because of his terrible tone.  Some people may say his tone is like butter, but I think these people have never seen the inside of a recording studio in their lives.  Dimebag's tone is overdistorted, there is no definition in his tone at all.  It's almost impossible to tell what he's trying to play because it's so important that he has that terrible distorted overtone.  His rythym playing sounds like a pile of garbage to me because of this.  The best example of this is the Great Southern Trendkill album, there is almost notes in what he's playing.  Compare the clarity in Dimebag's playing to John Petrucci, they can't be compared.  One guy plays clear one dosen't.  To be fair let's compare to Dimebag to a guitarist who is not so clean and even has an influence from Dimebag, Mike Romeo.  Romeo is not the most articulated guitarist, but his tone is audible.  His tone doesn't overdrive the mixing console.  If I where forced to go into a studio and remix Symphony X and Pantera albums, I could actually Eq Romeo's tone to make it sound clear and articulated.  For Dimebag, I would have to go out to the music store, get a Rupert Neve guitar pre-amp, a Focusrite Red Stereo Compressor, and a copy of Pro-Tools and then I can think about what i want to do.  Dimebag may be a semi-decent player, but it can never show through that overdistorted tone.  Dimebag's tone is an overrated joke, anyone with any knowledge of recording a guitar tone can find fault here. Mike Portnoy once said he wanted Dimebag in Liquid Tension Experiment, I think if Dimebag was in Liquid Tension Experiment, he might have learned something about producing an album and composing a song.  Dimebag has potential, but he doesn't know sh*t about music. Why is it important to hear what I've done?  I'm not the one being tested here, Dimebag is.

that's a good post: you have convincing arguments to explain why darrell is overrated!

TheProgtologist wrote: King of Loss wrote: Overrated, but a lot of potential. That's what I have to say about Dimebag. I don't know why,but that comment bugs me something terrible. He was a founding member and driving force of one of THE best metal bands in the last 20 years,and blew away 90% of the guitarists playing today. You talk about him like he was new on the scene and might be good with a little more practice. He went beyond his potential and had nothing to prove at the time of his death. Overrated my a**.

This has been blown up too much by Flossy for me to avoid posting here.

Fist of all, I would not call Pantera one of the best metal bands of the last 20 years.  Sticking just to Dimebag's thrash metal crowd, I would easily pick bands like Megadeth, Testament, Metallica, Kreator, and many others ahead of Pantera.  Compared to Dimebag's own friendly rival Zakk Wylde, Dimebag is far inferior.  Wylde has managed to compose decent metal matierial with Ozzy, and has show a greater ability to compose with variation in Black Label Society.  Pantera has one album that i consider better-than-horrible, Cowboys From Hell.  Pantera had one repeatative sound, with no structure, no variation, and no compositional techniques. 

Let me be more specific

Composing- The only Pantera song that shows musical education is Cemetery Gates.  Other Pantera songs especially post Cowboys From Hell show NO musicality at all.  The guitar is simply power chords with a few scales here and there.  The tempos have only two styles.  Fast and slow, with not much fluxuation within the song.  The harmonies show no understanding of counterpoint whatsoever.  The time signatures are all 4/4, I'm yet to see a Pantera song in another time signature. 

Structure- Pantera has no respectable structure.  The verse-chorus-verse structure done by so many pop bands is all they have ever done.  There is barely any transition from hard to soft, and the soft songs are mostly segue other than Cemetery Gates and This Love.  I see nothing in Pantera that makes me feel like the song is going somewhere.  When I'm forced to listen to Pantera in my friend's car, I don't care what comes next in the song it's usually a solo and a bunch of repeats.  I just want the song to end so I can get bored listening to a different song. 

Technique- His technique is slightly admirable.  He has decent hands, but once again he fails to show any musicality whatsoever.  Playing screams harmonics of Em and Am chords are nothing special.  Playing fast over Em and Am chords is nothing special.  Dimebag is obviously no John Petrucci, not many people are, but even guitarists like Dave Mustaine, Marty Friedman, and Kirk Hammett have shown the ability to solo with skill that fits the composition over a more complex chord and rythym structure. 

Tone- Dimebag's playing is even harder to enjoy because of his terrible tone.  Some people may say his tone is like butter, but I think these people have never seen the inside of a recording studio in their lives.  Dimebag's tone is overdistorted, there is no definition in his tone at all.  It's almost impossible to tell what he's trying to play because it's so important that he has that terrible distorted overtone.  His rythym playing sounds like a pile of garbage to me because of this.  The best example of this is the Great Southern Trendkill album, there is almost notes in what he's playing.  Compare the clarity in Dimebag's playing to John Petrucci, they can't be compared.  One guy plays clear one dosen't.  To be fair let's compare to Dimebag to a guitarist who is not so clean and even has an influence from Dimebag, Mike Romeo.  Romeo is not the most articulated guitarist, but his tone is audible.  His tone doesn't overdrive the mixing console.  If I where forced to go into a studio and remix Symphony X and Pantera albums, I could actually Eq Romeo's tone to make it sound clear and articulated.  For Dimebag, I would have to go out to the music store, get a Rupert Neve guitar pre-amp, a Focusrite Red Stereo Compressor, and a copy of Pro-Tools and then I can think about what i want to do.  Dimebag may be a semi-decent player, but it can never show through that overdistorted tone.  Dimebag's tone is an overrated joke, anyone with any knowledge of recording a guitar tone can find fault here.

Mike Portnoy once said he wanted Dimebag in Liquid Tension Experiment, I think if Dimebag was in Liquid Tension Experiment, he might have learned something about producing an album and composing a song.  Dimebag has potential, but he doesn't know sh*t about music.

Why is it important to hear what I've done?  I'm not the one being tested here, Dimebag is.

King of Loss wrote: ^ Except Dimebag didn't have any melody with his playing

Not true ... it is often atonal, but melodic nonetheless. Listen to Cemetary Gates from time index 4:50, a 100% melodic solo. Or listen to By Demons Be Driven from 3:00 - an effects driven, atonal solo. Or plenty of other songs which are a mix of both.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: King of Loss wrote: ^ Except Dimebag didn't have any melody with his playing  Not true ... it is often atonal, but melodic nonetheless. Listen to Cemetary Gates from time index 4:50, a 100% melodic solo. Or listen to By Demons Be Driven from 3:00 - an effects driven, atonal solo. Or plenty of other songs which are a mix of both.

I don't think you can call Dimebag's solos melodic.  Melody isn't something that's incredibly complex, but screaming harmonics over and over again in a song like This Love or Drag the Waters or plenty of other Pantera songs melodic.  Dimebag does not have proper rythym and harmony to be considered melodic.