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Topic: Most skilled drummer?
Posted By: Cygnus
Subject: Most skilled drummer?
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 04:08

NOT a best drummer poll. Just about skill...




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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 05:23

Voted Peart.

You missed Carl Palmer and Phil Collins...



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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 14:20
Cobham, Portnoy, Colauta and Bruford from that list.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 14:23
  I hope nobody says Ringo, ill jump thru my computer and choke em


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 14:29
Ringo Starr.

Aaaagh. Cough.

No - actually I voted for Billy Cobham. I've not heard much of him but from that, he beats the others.


Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 14:29
Colaiuta and Donati- EASY choices- have you seen videos of these two? UNREAL


Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 14:31

^Voted for Peart- didnt see Colaiuta, sorry.

Virgil tears it up on Plantet X cd's- Derek Sherinian has good taste in choosing technical talent.



Posted By: sbrushfan
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 14:34
Peart here.  Can't help myself.  The skill in 2112 and HEMISPHERES is amazing.  I recorded myself playing along to HEMISPHERES and I sound like a gorilla with drumsticks!  lol

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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 14:44
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

^Voted for Peart- didnt see Colaiuta, sorry.

Colaiuta is here:

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Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 14:50

Peart



Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 14:50

Peart.

Then Carey,Donati and Portnoy.

I would love to see a drummer poll that included the incomparable Dennis Chambers.Hasn't anybody heard of him??



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Posted By: W.Chuck
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 14:52
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Colaiuta and Donati- EASY choices- have you seen videos of these two? UNREAL

Yes, Donati is supernatural!!

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Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 14:53
How can you have a 'most skilled drummer' poll without the most skilled player on it-Carl Palmer


Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 15:00
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Peart.

Then Carey,Donati and Portnoy.

I would love to see a drummer poll that included the incomparable Dennis Chambers.Hasn't anybody heard of him??

YA

I HEARD 'OUTBREAK'

I LIKE IT



Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 15:39
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

I would love to see a drummer poll that included the incomparable Dennis Chambers.Hasn't anybody heard of him??



Oh hell yeah! In fact I've seen him live with John McLaughlin. Dude's got serious POWER behind the kit. He looks like he could crumple his snare like tissue paper if he wanted to.

Absolutely sick drummer.

I went with Bozzio, even though I'm a Rush Head.


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Posted By: FRIPP HOW?
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 16:03

I'd say some drummers were left out. What about Tim Alexander (Primus), An amazingly skilled drummer! And How about Carl Palmer??? "The" Carl Palmer! C'mon..!!



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Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 16:05
I voted for Mr. Portnoy


Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 16:28

Oh brother......

 

Skills....

 

It seems like everyone's definition of being skilled is beating the damn skin like some here probably beat their

MY personal definition of a completely skilled drummer is being to play in ANY situation and applying those skills to meet the demands of the music the drummer is playing to....

Today's drummers have lost the skill of using the brushes, and no the brushes are not only play in Be-bop situations, they can be played in R&B, Bluegrass, Country, Swing, and the drummers that get over that foolish stigmatism, the more better rounded the drummer will be.... Oh and for those who say what does the four sub-genres of music I mentioned have to do with progressive rock? Let's just say Steve Howe would never have been the great guitarist he is had he followed the road of many of his peers and steered strictly towards The Blues.... Another gripe for another time....

As far as the drummers mentioned, all but Carey are brilliant overall percussionists which is another lost art in most drummers today, but my favorite of overall SKILLED percussionists is Phil Collins followed by Bill Bruford (who might be the more dexturous) then Terry Bozzio (whose Drumkit might seem gimmicky, but he could give many of his peers a run for their money...

Charles



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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 16:29
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Peart.

Then Carey,Donati and Portnoy.

I would love to see a drummer poll that included the incomparable Dennis Chambers.Hasn't anybody heard of him??

Yea, I love his work with Niacin. Isn't he on this poll though? I see a Chambers.



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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 16:37
Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Peart.

Then Carey,Donati and Portnoy.

I would love to see a drummer poll that included the incomparable Dennis Chambers.Hasn't anybody heard of him??

Yea, I love his work with Niacin. Isn't he on this poll though? I see a Chambers.

Wow..he is.

I never noticed that the first time I looked.

My bad.



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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 16:40
Originally posted by Charles Charles wrote:

Oh brother......

 

Skills....

 

It seems like everyone's definition of being skilled is beating the damn skin like some here probably beat their

MY personal definition of a completely skilled drummer is being to play in ANY situation and applying those skills to meet the demands of the music the drummer is playing to....

Today's drummers have lost the skill of using the brushes, and no the brushes are not only play in Be-bop situations, they can be played in R&B, Bluegrass, Country, Swing, and the drummers that get over that foolish stigmatism, the more better rounded the drummer will be.... Oh and for those who say what does the four sub-genres of music I mentioned have to do with progressive rock? Let's just say Steve Howe would never have been the great guitarist he is had he followed the road of many of his peers and steered strictly towards The Blues.... Another gripe for another time....

As far as the drummers mentioned, all but Carey are brilliant overall percussionists which is another lost art in most drummers today, but my favorite of overall SKILLED percussionists is Phil Collins followed by Bill Bruford (who might be the more dexturous) then Terry Bozzio (whose Drumkit might seem gimmicky, but he could give many of his peers a run for their money...

Charles

You're crazy.Danny Carey can hold his own with any of the drummers mentioned in this discussion.

He is also an extremely skilled percussionist.

Guess you never saw Tool live and his brilliant percussion/drum piece,huh?



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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 16:46
Virgil Donati!


Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 16:51

Mark Mondesir

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Mark_Mondesir.html - http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Mark_Mondesir.html

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Posted By: drumsandbass
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 17:01
Bruford gets my vote. As a drummer myself I find his stuff to be very clever
and extremely difficult to imitate. Peart doesn't seem to impress me very
much. Everyone I know who drums says "Oh yeah Peart is the greatest. I'm
influenced by him and blah blah blah." He has a drumset that circles around
his body big deal. Bruford could do the same if not more with that little
symmetrical jazz set. Come on guys...


Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 17:04

Originally posted by drumsandbass drumsandbass wrote:

Bruford gets my vote. As a drummer myself I find his stuff to be very clever
and extremely difficult to imitate. Peart doesn't seem to impress me very
much. Everyone I know who drums says "Oh yeah Peart is the greatest. I'm
influenced by him and blah blah blah." He has a drumset that circles around
his body big deal. Bruford could do the same if not more with that little
symmetrical jazz set. Come on guys...

AGREED



Posted By: Someo Therguy
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 17:08
That's a great a list. I agree with King Of Loss, you gotta have Donatti in there. Also, does anyone know who Marco Minnemann is? I have his Extreme Independence DVD and it is just jaw dropping. In addition to being an amazing player in prog and jazz, he plays guitar, keys, loops, sings and has a great sense of humor.


Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 17:08
Where is Nick MASON?

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Ouch! That hurts!




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Posted By: A Guy
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 17:09
Where's Chris Cutler? I mean, he seems pretty skilled to me at least...


Posted By: boscolola
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 17:14

The most SKILL???

I vote Bill Bruford he is a MASTER, has been in several great gropus with its own personality in each one... revealing a great deal of skills in each proyect (has been several stages of king kimson with remarcable achivements) and has a jazz side  that in the last year has been involved.

dont mis understand me.. PEART is GREAT but i think BILL has a bit more y diverse flow trought music, achieve by his great skills..

p.d. i dont see Carl Palmer on that list??



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Posted By: Hemulen
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 17:18

Yoshida Tatsuya!



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Posted By: drumsandbass
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 17:32
lol everyone was wondering what happened to Palmer but I don't think they
would have voted for him out of the list lol.


Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 17:34

Originally posted by drumsandbass drumsandbass wrote:

lol everyone was wondering what happened to Palmer but I don't think they
would have voted for him out of the list lol.

WRONG!



Posted By: Philrod
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 17:44

Colaiuta or Cobham... I chose Cobham



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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 17:58
Originally posted by Hemulen Hemulen wrote:

Yoshida Tatsuya!

I think it should be the other way around - Tatsuya Yoshida. Great choice, BTW.



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Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 18:06
How the f**k has no one voted for Colaitua? He is the most skilled on this list. Do you people have ears? Or do you just know nothing about drumming?

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Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 18:09

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/vinniecolaiutaWB.html - http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/vinniecolaiutaWB.html

A master of odd time signatures. His precision and coordination are out of this world.



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Posted By: Someo Therguy
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 18:20

Ya know, I love Neil Peart - he's a prog pioneer, a tight, spot on, skilled player, and one of my first drum idols. But I have to point out that aside from the little bit of big band he did on Burning For Buddy, he never steps out of his prog safety zone.

Billy Cobham I've heard with John Mclaughlin, T. Lavits, Jeff Berlin, Jack Bruce, and Peter Gabrial. Jazz, Rock, Big band, Funk, Fusion, Film scores... Cobham writes all his own material as well.

I've heard Bozzio with Zappa, the Brecker Brothers, Jeff Beck, Stevey Vai, and his ostinato based drumming is groundbreaking. And he was the first to play The Black Page (have you ever seen a transcription of that? Yow!)

Vinnie Colaiuta has played on hundreds of records, he's one of the most prolific studio cats on the planet, from Frank Zappa, to Sting, to the Dixie Chicks - he can play anything.

Bruford's the same way: Yes, Crimson, Genesis, Al DiMeola, Earthworks, Gordian Knot, prog pioneer, fusion player, big band - extremely versatile.

No offense meant to Neil, but I honestly don't understand why he's winning a "most skilled drummer" poll.



Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 18:22
^Exactly. Black Page is sex.

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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 18:24

Originally posted by floydaholic floydaholic wrote:

How the f**k has no one voted for Colaitua? He is the most skilled on this list. Do you people have ears? Or do you just know nothing about drumming?

Well, why haven't you voted for him, then? But yeah, since Mark Mondesir isn't on the poll, I will vote for Colaiuta.

 



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Posted By: Someo Therguy
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 18:27

Originally posted by floydaholic floydaholic wrote:

How the f**k has no one voted for Colaitua? He is the most skilled on this list. Do you people have ears? Or do you just know nothing about drumming?

Yeah, I don't think people are listening. Vinnie is amazing! His work with Zappa was unbelievable. Just try to ape that groove on Keep It Greasy. Look at the transcriptions that Steve Vai wrote out of Vinnie's drum parts in the Zappa Guitar Book. Watch his performance with Karizma on the Modern Drummer Festival where they gave him the Best All Around drummer award. The guy is maestro.



Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 18:33

Yes, he is quite amazing. However my favorite of the skilled group is undoubtedly Steve Gadd. That man has held some of the most magnificent grooves i've ever heard. I can't think of anything that compares to "The Mozambique" and its many variations. He's just got great feel and instinct on the set and is pretty damn precise and such.



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Posted By: Tommy
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 19:43

Originally posted by drumsandbass drumsandbass wrote:

lol everyone was wondering what happened to Palmer but I don't think they
would have voted for him out of the list lol.

You mean you'd knew he'd walk away with the poll. There was a similar poll very recently that he blew everyone away, Peart and Bruford included!



Posted By: Runaway
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 20:02

Not  in this list, but Rodney Holmes, Dave Weckl, Carter Beauford, David Garibaldi, Nick D'Virgilo, the 3 flower kings drummers, Steve Gadd, Steve Smith, and STEWART COPELAND (my fav) are very good.



Posted By: Someo Therguy
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 20:05
Originally posted by floydaholic floydaholic wrote:

Yes, he is quite amazing. However my favorite of the skilled group is undoubtedly Steve Gadd. That man has held some of the most magnificent grooves i've ever heard. I can't think of anything that compares to "The Mozambique" and its many variations. He's just got great feel and instinct on the set and is pretty damn precise and such.

If we're going to veer off of Prog, then there are some incredibly skilled players we should mention. Two of my favorites are Dave Weckl and Horacio 'El Negro' Hernandez.



Posted By: Someo Therguy
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 20:08
Originally posted by Runaway Runaway wrote:

Not  in this list, but Rodney Holmes, Dave Weckl, Carter Beauford, David Garibaldi, Nick D'Virgilo, the 3 flower kings drummers, Steve Gadd, Steve Smith, and STEWART COPELAND (my fav) are very good.

Yup, great names. How about Chad Wackerman, I love his playing. I'm still surprised no one's talking about Marco Minnemann, have you heard this guy?



Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 20:10

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Ringo Starr.

Aaaagh. Cough.

No - actually I voted for Billy Cobham. I've not heard much of him but from that, he beats the others.

C'mon-never vote like that!

Who do YOU think is the most skilled?



Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 20:34
Portnoy

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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 20:36
ive said peart ever since i heard yyz live! peart is AMAZING.


Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 21:20

Originally posted by floydaholic floydaholic wrote:

How the f**k has no one voted for Colaitua? He is the most skilled on this list. Do you people have ears? Or do you just know nothing about drumming?

yeah- he's the best and Donati



Posted By: Gedhead
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 22:23
Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

How can you have a 'most skilled drummer' poll without the most skilled player on it-Carl Palmer




Easy.  Palmer is nowhere near any of the guys on that poll.  ELP is the most overrated prog band of all time.  imho


Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 22:38
Brufford I think, since he can drum so creatively in so many styles of music.

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Posted By: akiko
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 22:54
Originally posted by Someo Therguy Someo Therguy wrote:

Originally posted by Runaway Runaway wrote:

Not  in this list, but Rodney Holmes, Dave Weckl, Carter Beauford, David Garibaldi, Nick D'Virgilo, the 3 flower kings drummers, Steve Gadd, Steve Smith, and STEWART COPELAND (my fav) are very good.

Yup, great names. How about Chad Wackerman, I love his playing. I'm still surprised no one's talking about Marco Minnemann, have you heard this guy?

Along the same vein, Thomas Lang and Akira Jimbo are both MASTERS of 4 way independence.  I watched an Akira Jimbo clinic at thean old MARS Music in Baltimore a few years back, and Dennis Chambers was on the side of the stage just shaking his head in disbelief. 

Thomas Lang had a demo video for Sonor drums, and I swear in 24 years of drumming I've never seen anything like it.  And I've seen all the drummers mentioned on this forum live, except for Ringo...



Posted By: Someo Therguy
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 23:28
Originally posted by akiko akiko wrote:

Along the same vein, Thomas Lang and Akira Jimbo are both MASTERS of 4 way independence.  I watched an Akira Jimbo clinic at thean old MARS Music in Baltimore a few years back, and Dennis Chambers was on the side of the stage just shaking his head in disbelief. 

Thomas Lang had a demo video for Sonor drums, and I swear in 24 years of drumming I've never seen anything like it.  And I've seen all the drummers mentioned on this forum live, except for Ringo...

I have a Modern Drummer Festival DVD with Akira Jimbo and I love what he does on there. His independance is amazing, but so is his programming and use of triggering. His performance is one of my favorites on that DVD. I've never heard Thomas Lang, does he have recordings beyond the demo video you mentioned?



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 23:32
These  polls  always  end up a battle between Peart and Bruford  and Peart wins  .. so  I  fail to see  the  point in  voting ...  besides Phil Ehart isn`t here ?  and hes my favourite drummer  


Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 23:39
Whoever mentioned Chad Wackerman earlier:

I gotta say, I just listened to "Tink Walks Amok" off of Man from Utopia; I've never really paid much attention to Wackerman before, but he pulls off that 11/16 section in the beginning like it's nothing. I gotta give him props.

Colaiuta... I haven't heard much of that era of Zappa, but I've heard him with Sting, and I actually have one of his solo albums. I agree he's a very skilled drummer, but I find that solo album to be fairly dull.

I should also mention Mike Mangini. He used to have a rehearsal space next to ours, and listening to him shed used to make my drummer want to leap out of a window!


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Posted By: DualXP
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 23:45

sorry guys, but the most skilled drummer is carey.....he plays stuff that is pretty much way too complex for most average people to even begin to try and understand

 

carey could play anything anybody else could play while eating a taco bell spicy chicken soft taco....but i doubt anybody could play the sh*t he does

 

 



Posted By: Someo Therguy
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 00:15

Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

Whoever mentioned Chad Wackerman earlier:

I gotta say, I just listened to "Tink Walks Amok" off of Man from Utopia; I've never really paid much attention to Wackerman before, but he pulls off that 11/16 section in the beginning like it's nothing. I gotta give him props.

I have a transcription of "Tink" and worked it up and played it along with the recording. It's tuff. I only had the drum part written, so I don't know for sure, but I swear in one or two spots theres some kind of wacky polyrhythm going on between Scott Thunes bass line and the drum part.

You should listen to Chad Wackerman's work with Allan Holdsworth.



Posted By: Someo Therguy
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 00:19
Originally posted by DualXP DualXP wrote:

carey could play anything anybody else could play while eating a taco bell spicy chicken soft taco....but i doubt anybody could play the sh*t he does

Think twice



Posted By: Sam Fire
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 00:33

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Ringo Starr.

Aaaagh. Cough.

Believe it or not, I've got two friends Beatle-obsessed friends who remain convinced that Ringo is a better drummer than Neil Peart.  I mean, C'MON!!!  It's Neil-Frickin'-Peart!  I even showed them the entirety of "O Baterista."  Oh no, they said... he just sounds good 'cause he's got a lot of drums...  So I showed them the bit in the documentary where Neil is warming up on a teeny-little 5-piece practice set.  Uh, they said, no.  Ringo is way better.  *sigh*  There's just no arguing with some people...

As if I need to clarify, I voted for Peart...



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Posted By: DualXP
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 00:38
Originally posted by Someo Therguy Someo Therguy wrote:

Originally posted by DualXP DualXP wrote:

carey could play anything anybody else could play while eating a taco bell spicy chicken soft taco....but i doubt anybody could play the sh*t he does

Think twice

 

you're right....nobody could play the beats he does



Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 00:41
To me, Pierre Moerlen outdoes every drummer I've heard.

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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 09:26

Someo Therguy: Props on Minnemann, he sure is scary.

Still, check out Mark Mondesir - Minnemann may be scary, but Mondesir is downright terrifying.

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Mark_Mondesir.html - http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Mark_Mondesir.html

DualXP: Welcome to the forum. Please check out the other drummers mentioned in this thread. Carey, while excellent, is not the be-all, end-all of drums.



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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 09:43

Originally posted by meurglysIII meurglysIII wrote:

To me, Pierre Moerlen outdoes every drummer I've heard.

How could I forget mentioning Pierre Moerlen?? He makes Neil Peart look like an newbie in comparison!!

Also, Tomas Haake from Meshuggah is one of the most perfect and technical drummers in music history!



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Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 10:39

Next time I will post the same poll without Peart and Brufford it would be much more interesting.

As for me the most skilled drummer ever heard is Mark Zonder but I don't think that anyone would vote for him so he isn't on the list.



Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 11:05
Virgil Donati
 
 
http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/VirgilDonati2.html - http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/VirgilDonati2.html
 
 
 
 
wow.
 
 
 


Posted By: sbrushfan
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 12:22
Originally posted by Cygnus Cygnus wrote:

Next time I will post the same poll without Peart and Brufford it would be much more interesting.

As for me the most skilled drummer ever heard is Mark Zonder but I don't think that anyone would vote for him so he isn't on the list.

Without Bruford and Peart? BLASPHEMY!!!!! 



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Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 12:27
Originally posted by Someo Therguy Someo Therguy wrote:

Originally posted by floydaholic floydaholic wrote:

Yes, he is quite amazing. However my favorite of the skilled group is undoubtedly Steve Gadd. That man has held some of the most magnificent grooves i've ever heard. I can't think of anything that compares to "The Mozambique" and its many variations. He's just got great feel and instinct on the set and is pretty damn precise and such.

If we're going to veer off of Prog, then there are some incredibly skilled players we should mention. Two of my favorites are Dave Weckl and Horacio 'El Negro' Hernandez.

 

You should watch this one video no drummerworld. It's a three-way solo battle between Colaiuta, Weckly and Gadd.



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Posted By: sbrushfan
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 12:37
Originally posted by floydaholic floydaholic wrote:

Originally posted by Someo Therguy Someo Therguy wrote:

Originally posted by floydaholic floydaholic wrote:

Yes, he is quite amazing. However my favorite of the skilled group is undoubtedly Steve Gadd. That man has held some of the most magnificent grooves i've ever heard. I can't think of anything that compares to "The Mozambique" and its many variations. He's just got great feel and instinct on the set and is pretty damn precise and such.

If we're going to veer off of Prog, then there are some incredibly skilled players we should mention. Two of my favorites are Dave Weckl and Horacio 'El Negro' Hernandez.

 

You should watch this one video no drummerworld. It's a three-way solo battle between Colaiuta, Weckly and Gadd.

A THREE-WAY?  WHOA!  How does it sound?



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Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 12:43
Peart and then Portnoy

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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 13:13
Originally posted by sbrushfan sbrushfan wrote:

Originally posted by floydaholic floydaholic wrote:

Originally posted by Someo Therguy Someo Therguy wrote:

Originally posted by floydaholic floydaholic wrote:

Yes, he is quite amazing. However my favorite of the skilled group is undoubtedly Steve Gadd. That man has held some of the most magnificent grooves i've ever heard. I can't think of anything that compares to "The Mozambique" and its many variations. He's just got great feel and instinct on the set and is pretty damn precise and such.

If we're going to veer off of Prog, then there are some incredibly skilled players we should mention. Two of my favorites are Dave Weckl and Horacio 'El Negro' Hernandez.

 

You should watch this one video no drummerworld. It's a three-way solo battle between Colaiuta, Weckly and Gadd.

A THREE-WAY?  WHOA!  How does it sound?

Oversimplifying a bit, Gadd lays down a killer groove and Weckl/Colaiuta add the ornamentation.

You'll find it on this page:

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Vinnie_Colaiuta.html - http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Vinnie_Colaiuta.html



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Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 13:28
Yea, but it's still sweet as hell.

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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 13:30
Never said it wasn't

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Posted By: thefalafelking
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 13:50

Bruford, peart, bozzio and cobham, they have extremely different styles!!! it's hard to say which one is better skilled, I think they all had the greatest skills possible, just like the degree in which thet elaborated their skills!

 

honorable mention: Gavin Harrisson from PorcupineTree !!! (real revelation, at first I didn't like it that much, because he sounded too technical, but he's great and on stage he does hits these little toms and symbals in funny places to get the attention of the band, besides this all ,I think he comes over like a strong personality which gives the band a more coherent look)



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Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 13:55

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Never said it wasn't



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Posted By: Harbinger1
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 20:00
Have to give it to Brufford. I am not a big fan of Rush, mainly because of Lee's vocals. I am sorry, but I just cannot listen to him for very long.Sorry all of you fans who think Rush is the second coming, but what I have heard of Rush appears to be mainly in 4/4 time. Correct me if I am wrong. However I have heard Brufford play in all kinds of strange time signatures. It is nearly impossible to keep up.  Any drummer will tell you it gives them a sense of great accomplishment to be able to play Close To The Edge note for note.  It is not about speed, but his playing is fast, clean, and incredibly complex.  Get your hands on the first U.K. album, some King Crimson albums and some of his solo work with Moraz and you will see what I mean. 


Posted By: bertburt
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 21:33

I'd go with Colaiuta.  He somehow can make a straight-ahead 4/4 beat sound stylish and talented.  Even the way he sits behind his kit looks very professional.  He has a helluva look of complete control.

 

As for not on the list:  I personally am in awe of Weathers from Gentle Giant.  You need to be highly skilled to follow the insane and complex changes in their compositions.  He managed to do it admirably.  If those songs were left in a less-skilled drummer's hands, their wonderful tunes could have easily turned into train wrecks instead of the indisputable classics they all are, IMHO.

Merry Christmas to all of you,

 

Dan Stevens



Posted By: Menswear
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 21:44

Dude, you missed some good ones.

Hans Bathelt---Triumvirat

Phil Collins---Genesis

The drummer of In The Court of the Crimson King (sorry no name)

Pierre Van der Linden---Focus, Trace

John Weathers---Gentle Giant

Mattias Olson---Anglagard



Posted By: DaleHauskins
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 22:31
How can you have a 'most skilled drummer' poll without the most skilled
players on it- Peter Furrer of FLAME DREAM and Coco Rousell of HAPPY
THE MAN?!?    Merry Christmas! Dale Hauskins

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Posted By: Someo Therguy
Date Posted: December 25 2005 at 00:58
Somebody back there mentioned Mike Mangini and I remembered something I saw him do at a Steve Vai concert. In the middle of a drum solo he started playing a tight snare drum roll. As he held the roll, with his right hand he picked up a marsh mellow and began to nibble it with a big grin. The roll never changed.


Posted By: Octamarium
Date Posted: December 25 2005 at 05:52

I vote for Iron Mike Portnoy......he's not perfect....but he's very close to perfection!!!

Peart.....what could I say.....he's great.......but Portnoy is more!!



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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: December 25 2005 at 07:26
Originally posted by Octamarium Octamarium wrote:

I vote for Iron Mike Portnoy......he's not perfect....but he's very close to perfection!!!

Peart.....what could I say.....he's great.......but Portnoy is more!!

Prepare to be drawn and quartered.

Not by me, though. I will only lecture you first. You'll be wishing for the drawing and quartering to begin soon enough.



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Posted By: sbrushfan
Date Posted: December 25 2005 at 13:55
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by Octamarium Octamarium wrote:

I vote for Iron Mike Portnoy......he's not perfect....but he's very close to perfection!!!

Peart.....what could I say.....he's great.......but Portnoy is more!!

Prepare to be drawn and quartered.

Not by me, though. I will only lecture you first. You'll be wishing for the drawing and quartering to begin soon enough.

Peart may be twice Portnoy's age, but Peart could hand Portnoy his ass, on a silver platter!  lol



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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: December 25 2005 at 18:14

Originally posted by Someo Therguy Someo Therguy wrote:

Somebody back there mentioned Mike Mangini and I remembered something I saw him do at a Steve Vai concert. In the middle of a drum solo he started playing a tight snare drum roll. As he held the roll, with his right hand he picked up a marsh mellow and began to nibble it with a big grin. The roll never changed.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 26 2005 at 03:18
cobham is the best drummer of all time. Cobham was doing what carey was doing over 30 years ago. I think some of u need to listen to more old music ;). How about Barlow? He was an excellent drummer. These guys have 30-40 years of great experience. Carey should not be mentioned in the upper bracket yet.


Posted By: White Duck
Date Posted: December 26 2005 at 05:07

The same.Barlow was an excellent drummer.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 26 2005 at 05:12

Barlow rocks

I only think bruford became a great drummer in the late 70s. When he was playing for UK. Before that he was just a good drummer.



Posted By: Octamarium
Date Posted: December 26 2005 at 05:53

I'm ready to everything....but I will always defend the Portnoyan power!!!

Well....anyway there's a big lack in this poll.....where's Virgil Donati?????



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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: December 26 2005 at 06:54

^ there's a load of ultra-skilled drummers missing from this poll

 

<cough, cough,> MARK MONDESIR <cough, cough>



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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: December 26 2005 at 14:26
I think I'll stick with Mr Peart

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Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: December 26 2005 at 18:21

Originally posted by Someo Therguy Someo Therguy wrote:

Somebody back there mentioned Mike Mangini and I remembered something I saw him do at a Steve Vai concert. In the middle of a drum solo he started playing a tight snare drum roll. As he held the roll, with his right hand he picked up a marsh mellow and began to nibble it with a big grin. The roll never changed.

 

I remember hearing somewhere that he was in Guiness for being the worlds fastest drummer.



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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: December 26 2005 at 20:37
  • DAVE WECKL
  • VINNIE COLAIUTA
  • BILLY COBHAM
  • DENNIS CHAMBERS

( IN JAZZ GENRE)

  • MIKE PORTNOY
  • NEIL PEART
  • TERRY BOZZIO
  • BILL BRUFORD

Sorry but i don't know Carey?

In which band does he plays?

 



Posted By: Someo Therguy
Date Posted: December 26 2005 at 20:56
^ God bless you!


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 05:56

Originally posted by meurglysIII meurglysIII wrote:

To me, Pierre Moerlen outdoes every drummer I've heard.

totally agree with you. he did not win the "Premiere Prix du Percussion" award of the university of Strasbourg for nothing. and don't forget he played tuned percussion too



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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 06:09
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by meurglysIII meurglysIII wrote:

To me, Pierre Moerlen outdoes every drummer I've heard.

totally agree with you. he did not win the "Premiere Prix du Percussion" award of the university of Strasbourg for nothing. and don't forget he played tuned percussion too

Now, who could have seen that coming

But did Moerlen blow Tony Williams away? (another shameless plug for Mark Mondesir)



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Posted By: Losendos
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 06:10

 

   Carl Palmer is the bets talent

 Phil Collins is quite subtley effective

 and Ringo is the human metronome



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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 06:21
BTW I like it how Portnoy has more votes than Bozzio, Colaiuta, Chambers and Carey. Guys, I love Portnoy myself, but have you ever listened to those other drummers? They blow him away; it's as simple as that. Portnoy would admit this himself, and hardly just out of courtesy

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Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 07:19

Originally posted by Gedhead Gedhead wrote:

Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

How can you have a 'most skilled drummer' poll without the most skilled player on it-Carl Palmer




Easy.  Palmer is nowhere near any of the guys on that poll.   

Ever listened to:

-The Barbarian

-Tank

-Jerusalem

-Toccata

-Karn Evil 9: 2nd Impression

-The Enemy God Dances With The Black Spirits

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????? 

From the list: Bill Bruford

 



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 08:13
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

BTW I like it how Portnoy has more votes than Bozzio, Colaiuta, Chambers and Carey. Guys, I love Portnoy myself, but have you ever listened to those other drummers? They blow him away; it's as simple as that. Portnoy would admit this himself, and hardly just out of courtesy
I don`t agree with you , I voted for peart but portnoy almost got my vote .. I`ve been playing  drums for 32 years (jazz) and I teach drums for a living .. Portnoy is a freak !!!


Posted By: proggin' justin
Date Posted: December 28 2005 at 08:23

Terrible to have overlooked Barriemore Barlow indeed! Just listen to his entire activity but mostly to his solo in Busting Out - really something to have your jaw dropped low!

I love Peart's drumming, but in terms of versatility and dexterity he seems to be outdone by Bruford - the latter's jobs with Yes, KC are incredible but even more so are for me his feats of his own band at the end of 70s. Just listen to Beelzebub and find it second to none! Still, I'm pretty disappointed with his performance in KC's three siebling albums Discipline, Beat, and Three of a Perfect Pair - way-way-way under his own level, however hard did I try to unbury complexity, finesse etc. from his drumming.

So, it's Bruford. Another huge bravo for S. Copland and Dennis Chambers and the Hatfield and the North's Pip Pyle.



Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: December 29 2005 at 15:53

Originally posted by Someo Therguy Someo Therguy wrote:

Somebody back there mentioned Mike Mangini and I remembered something I saw him do at a Steve Vai concert. In the middle of a drum solo he started playing a tight snare drum roll. As he held the roll, with his right hand he picked up a marsh mellow and began to nibble it with a big grin. The roll never changed.

Yep, that's what I'm talking about.

He jumped up onstage with Dream Theater at a show I saw and shared the kit with Portnoy during the encore... they did the entire 2112 Suite. I think I may have permanently lost some brain functionality that night.



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