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Topic: Concepts behind concept albums
Posted By: sleeper
Subject: Concepts behind concept albums
Date Posted: February 05 2006 at 16:03

Some of you may remember that before christmas I created a thread asking if people liked concept albums and the result was a pritty unanamus yes, what I want to know is what concepts strike the biggest chord with people, for instance do you find the concept from TLLDOB to be the best ever or do you prefer Misplaced Childhood. Also I must point out that I'm not out to find out what it is MUSICALLY that people like about these albums, I'm only interested in the lyrics and concepts.

I'll start off. The best concept that I've heard is Pain Of Salvations Be, I love the way it suggests that creation is cyclical, that God creates people to understand itself, and that people create a probe to understand God but destroy God in the process, and as Human kind destroyes itself in its quest for knoledge, wealth and power, the probe grows and becomes God and creates people to understand itself ect (thats how I understand it at least). I like the way it also raises the questions of Gods mentalaty as well.

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Posted By: infinite adam
Date Posted: February 05 2006 at 16:09

I don't think the concept matters as much as how the band went about applying it to the album. 



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 05 2006 at 16:10

My favorite concept behind an album is probably Quadrophenia. Though as far as actual plot goes, it doesn't get much more layered than The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.

My LEAST favorite one is probably Operation: Mindcrime... which is just an awful album.



Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: February 05 2006 at 16:12

Be is indeed the best concept album I know... too bad it's not that strong musically.

My LEAST favorite one is probably The Wall... which is just an awful album



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Posted By: Cygnus X-1
Date Posted: February 05 2006 at 16:22
I guess I would say Animals. I love the politcal thoughts behind it labeling the 3 groups of people. It's a fatastic concept and one i'm sure has been done many times. I never want to be a sheep, dog or pig (Well maybe a pig  )

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Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: February 05 2006 at 16:27

My least favourite is 'The Lamb'! It dosn't make any sense at all, it's just too abstract! Like a painting where only the artist knows what it's suppose to represent! I recently read a synopsis of 'The Lamb' and that didn't make any sense either!

I like a story that is enjoyable so I'll go for 'Snow' and 'Brave'!



Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: February 05 2006 at 16:29
I agree with  Fuzzy Dude. I've been listening to it since 1974. Hasn't aged at all - unlike me.

The Human Equation is also brilliant. Ending spoils it a bit, still top drawer though.


Posted By: TGElder
Date Posted: February 05 2006 at 17:01
My personal favourites:

Steve Hillage - Fish Rising: How to explain to a fish what it's like to be human? With music, of course!

Frank Zappa/The Mothers of Invention - We're Only In It For The Money: Parody of phony hippie-culture.


Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: February 05 2006 at 17:44
Originally posted by FuzzyDude FuzzyDude wrote:

My LEAST favorite one is probably Operation: Mindcrime... which is just an awful album.

I politely yet strongly disagree.

 

Anyway, ITCOTCK and DSOTM are still my favorite concepts (not my favorite concept albums, though).



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Posted By: jojim
Date Posted: February 05 2006 at 18:05
The mother of all concept albums: "Joe's Garage Part 1". - Any questions? Frank is the best in making conceptions.

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Posted By: Thufir Hawat
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 01:23

My favorite concept song is The Odyssey. My

Favorite concept albums are The Snow Goose,

Fish Rising and Thick as a Brick but there are

Numerous others.



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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 01:27
Originally posted by FuzzyDude FuzzyDude wrote:

My favorite concept behind an album is probably Quadrophenia.

I cannot agree more. It is an easily identifiable and an easy to relate to concept.



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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 01:28

Originally posted by jojim jojim wrote:

The mother of all concept albums: "Joe's Garage Part 1". - Any questions? Frank is the best in making conceptions.

Then what in the world was he thinking with Thing-Fish?

After saying that, I'd like to say that Joe's Garage is one of my favorite albums.



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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 02:34
I like the concept of Nik Turner's Sphynx "Xitintoday". It simply presents ancient Egyptian mythology, starting with a prayer to the Gods, then following the path of a soul in the afterlife and introducing the several Gods, until you are finally taken back into today's reality in the last track "The Awakening", and you realize it was all a dream you dreamt while watching the pyramids (there is even a donkey braying at the end to remind you you are back in reality).

I also like the simple concept of Mother Gong's "Fairy Tales". Tell three fairy tales and accompany them with the appropriate music.

And I like the concept of "The Fall of the House of Usher" by Peter Hammill. The original story by Poe, which features three major characters + a minor one (the quack, who only appears in one sentence) made into an opera, with the literary device of a chorus (as in Greek tragedy or Elizabethian theatre) and, most ingenious idea of all, the Voices of the House (sung by Hammill in a chorus with himself, who also sings the character of Roderick Usher) as additional character. The quack has two short appearances in the opera; the first one presents him as a rather diabolical person, in the second he just adds to the mourning chorus of Usher and his friend.

These are also possibly my favourite prog records of all time. Three rather unknown gems which are definitely worth discovering. Not something for prog metal fans though.


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Posted By: pero
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 03:54

List of my favorite concept albums:

Axis: Bold as Love - The Jimi Hendrix Experience (1967) - The tale of one man's journey back to earth and what he encounters on another turn of the earth's axis; primarily love

We're Only in It For the Money - Frank Zappa & the Mothers of Invention (1968) - razor sharp satire with both hippy culture and the establishment in its sights.

Thick as a Brick - Jethro Tull (1972) - One long musical track written around a poem by a fictitious child prodigy. A parody of concept albums, but with serious questioning of society and conformity

Three Friends - Gentle Giant (1972) - Three old friends reminisce about their days as schoolchildren

Pictures at an Exhibition - Emerson, Lake & Palmer (1972) - Each song describes a picture; adapted from original composition by Russian composer Modest Mussorgsky

A Passion Play - Jethro Tull (1973) - A man's journey through afterlife: he discovers that the other world is nothing but a big bureaucratic office.

Selling England by the Pound - Genesis (1973) - The songs deal with the decay of values in English culture during the XXth century

Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd (1973) - The various influences that can drive one mad

Hymn of the 7th Galaxy - Return to Forever (1973) - Spaced themed fusion compositions.

The Six Wives of King Henry VIII - Rick Wakeman (1973) - One instrumental piece about each wife

Tales From Topographic Oceans - Yes (1973) - This concept album is based on the four-part Hindu Shastric scriptures

The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway - Genesis (1974) - A New-York punk finds himself in a confusing dream-world

The Power and the Glory - Gentle Giant (1974)

Journey to the Center of the Earth - Rick Wakeman (1974) - Adapted from Journey to the Center of the Earth by Jules Verne

Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd (1975) - Former band member Syd Barrett's decline into insanity, and the trials of stardom

Minstrel in the Gallery - Jethro Tull (1975) - the rock singer as the modern equivalent of the medieval minstrel (although the concept grew from the presence of a "gallery" in the rehearsal studio.

Animals - Pink Floyd (1977) - The common people are represented by sheep, the government by dogs, the rich by pigs. Influenced by Animal Farm, by George Orwell

Talking Heads - Fear of Music (1979) - The basic fear of elements in the world. Remove the "Music" from the title and insert the other track names.

Joe's Garage - Frank Zappa (1979) (Originally released as two separate albums; Act I and Acts II/III) - follows "Joe," the prototypical rock-star wannabee, as he wastes his life pursuing a false dream, sinking to degrading new lows in self-esteem...

Tubular bells - Mike Oldfield (1973)



Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 05:50

Originally posted by jojim jojim wrote:

The mother of all concept albums: "Joe's Garage Part 1". - Any questions? Frank is the best in making conceptions.

I have a question, WHATS THE CONCEPT?



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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 08:17

Good list pero, but I would suggest that Selling England by the Pound isn't a true concept album. Yes, there is a central theme running through it as you say about the decline of English culture, but "More fool me" certainly doesn't fit into this and I'm not sure that "Cinema Show" does either. I feel that a true concept album should have every track relating to the central story/theme.

I'm not convinced by "Minstrel in the gallery" either but I don't know the album so well.

Anyone else have an opinion on this?



Posted By: Ray Lomas
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 08:36
I like the concept in the JT's Aqualung album. Those who are not familiar with it, it tells about how men created religion and also about 'the lesser men' or the aqualungs who were also created by men. As I understood, Aqualung represents the homeless, poor people, so the album has a strong social concept and also a lot of critics towards organized religions.

Other favourites: Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, KC - In The Wake Of Poseidon, VDGG - The Least We Can Do Is Wave..., Magma - Üdü Wüdü; and all Rhapsody albums



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