What may come after "Octavarium"?
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Topic: What may come after "Octavarium"?
Posted By: Beren
Subject: What may come after "Octavarium"?
Date Posted: April 13 2006 at 15:51
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Dream Theater is the group that introduced me to progressive metal, and to this web site. I have been listening to their music for a few years now and I have tried to get a better understanding of it by paying special attention to the characteristics of every album and reading as many reviews as can. It is amazing to notice the changes that have occurred in the "Dream Theater" sound over the course of the years. I have been listening to their latest studio album, "Octavarium", and I have read many reviews from this web site. However insightful, I would like to know everyones' opinion about the possible directions the band could follow in the future, as well as everyone's comments on the evident change that occurred in "Octavarium" with respect to "Train of Thought" and "Six degrees of inner turbulence". Is it a change for the better? How does "Octavarium" stands in comparison to recent efforts by other groups? How does it stand in comparison to the past albums? Is Dream Theater's music still meaningful to everyone, or their music comes across as just a commitment to the market -a forceful necessity-? These are just questions that I have been considering for a while now, and I would like to know your opinions. Greetings, Beren ------------- Light and darkness, good or evil, man made categories, fear of chaos |
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 13 2006 at 17:03
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Well I like some Dream Theater albums and dislike others.Octavarium I like.Solid 4 star album.My favourite is Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence while the one I hate is Train of Thought. Future Direction? Not a clue.They have a prog and metal fanbase.TOT was for the metal fans.SDOIT was more for Keyboard/Rudess fans I reckon.Octavarium was hedging bets a bit.Portnoy is clearly a prog fan.Rudess and Pornoy want to do more prog stuff I guess.Who are the strong personalities in the band? |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 08:12
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I couldn't agree with Richard more.... I hated TOT, loved Six degrees...and the new one was a decent album, return to form after the Metallica debacle of TOT. Me thinks they have another concept in them yet, that may not be as obscure and fantasy-like as 'Scenes..' was. To me, that is a logical step. They need to begin a new DT era and bring their fans back together after splitting many of them on the last two efforts. Plus, they still have not met their potential really in the concept dept. To me, 'Scenes..' was a great, but they trumped it musically with 'Six degrees..'...so there is 'THE ONE' in them, yet....I hope! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 08:15
I hope they make another album ... other than that I don't have any expectations. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 09:24
I hope Dream Theater can get in touch with their feminine side and perhaps listen to some Jon Anderson Solo albums , throw away their heavy instruments and replace them with blocks & spoons and wind instruments  I`m sure their fans would dig it 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 09:28
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Masque wrote:Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 09:36
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I'd guess that it will involve 75 minutes of recycled Metallica riffs with some Yes style lyrics and arrangements, the whole thing sounding like Rush would have done if they'd been a 5 piece. It will get 5 star reviews before it's been officially released and will generate about 150 threads on this forum, plus 73 polls tackling issues like 'what's the 3rd best song?'. This will be followed by several near-identical live albums, a DVD or three and a 'special edition' with a bonus disc consisting of random scraps swept up off the studio floor. Then they'll go quiet again for a year or so, with any luck. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 09:39
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well they are taking this summer off. no tours, not writing, just alone time. I tihnk this will give them a much needed time to clear their head and to beable to go into the studio with fresh ideas and deliver a great album I tinhk they need to spend more time writing then albums. TOT was written in 3 weeks, 8Vm was written in studio.. Then we look at pieces like a change of seasons which they wrote of the course of 5 years. its the pinnical of progmetal. i thinik if they take their time and stay focused on the music, we'll have a kick ass album by the middle to end of next year ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 09:42
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Wow, hold your horses ... I think the current rating of Octavarium is quite adequate. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 09:53
Overall I liked Octavarium. Yes, there are songs that are rather weak (Answer lies within), and I think "the Root of All Evil" is just a cody of little bits and references to the Glass Prison and This Dying soul, but songs like "Sacrificed Sons" and "Ocatvaium" are great and I think they should loose the slight U2 incluence with short songs like "I walk beside you" and do what they do best- writing 8-? minutes epics. I hope they do another concept album but honestly I have no idea what's up next. As to the quesion does Octavarium compare to other recent prog metal albums I think overall it's not quite as good as some of the stuff such as POS and that kind of stuff, but everyone must admit that normally a band's early period is thier strongest, though as we have seen with releases like Scenes from a Memory, Marbles and Dark Matter where a band makes a huge comeback. This is probably why new bands are more popular. I think Dream theater is just experimenting with different sounds, not necessarily getting weaker, though I would like to see John myung write more lyrics and possibly be put somewhere in the mix |
Posted By: antibiotic
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 10:09
...I hope they would just shut up for ever. Completely worthless band. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 10:13
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One thing that I don't understand - why do people like you have to post in threads like this one? I mean, this is obviously a thread for Dream Theater fans. It's not about whether or not they're a good band, it's to discuss what their 9th album might sound like. Don't you have better things to do than to spoil this thread? Go ahead and write a 1 star review for Octavarium, that would make much more sense. It would also prove that you're in no way better than a 5 star fanboy. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: antibiotic
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 10:16
Octavarium doesn't compare to other recent prog metal albums. A band like Portal in the first 20 seconds of any of their releases crushes, kills and destroys the entire DT discography put together, then rapes it and then kills it again. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 10:19
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 10:23
Now don't call him an angry teenager! I'm angry teenager... He's just plain stoopid ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 10:26
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^ you're right Ed ... of course I don't really know if he's a teenager. BTW: I have nothing against teenagers at all ... some of them even know more about prog than me! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 10:32
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^Wow is that your main criteria while deciding if you like someone or not? knows more prog = good knows less prog = bad on topic again: I'm still hoping they'll make another album in the I&W vein... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: ken4musiq
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 10:33
| I didn't like Train of Thought so did not get Octavarium. I saw them live and liked the stuff off the new album; but since its been given kind of mediocre reviews here I did not get it. I think it may be that Dream Theater's glory days are behind them. Are they ever going to make another Image and Words, Metropolis or Six Degress of Inner Trubulence? With Portnoy doing a lot of work with Neal Morse,(someone said they were starting a supergrooup) I think they may be on hiatus for a while. It would be nice if they got in touch with their feminine side because I like the piano bits that have become so rare. |
Posted By: antibiotic
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 10:33
I checked into this thread for a laugh at some of the praise that this band is receiving. I posted cause I have nothing better to do at the moment, when I have something better to do, I don't spend that time staring at computer screens. I'm not going to review DT for 1 star because nothing they have ever done deserves one star, and it also would show that I am paying to much attention to a worthless band. This proves that I am indeed better than a 5 star fanboy. I hope this has covered all of the questions you had regarding myself on this thread and topic. If not, ask away. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 10:35
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Posted By: antibiotic
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 10:39
That's your loss. I wish I had never heard of Dream Theater. |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 10:39
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 10:40
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Posted By: antibiotic
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 10:42
I do, I do. Make no mistake about it. Funny how you chose that one sentence out of my reply to comment on, did the rest of it put your foot in your mouth? |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 10:50
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ok, since you ask for sentence-by-sentence comments:
Ok, so you are a laughable person.
blablabla.
Ok, an opinion is an opinion.
I already commented on that.
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Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 11:00
You have nothing better to do that bash a band many people enjoy talking about and listening to? I laugh at the praise Kelly Clarkson and Green Day recieve, but does that mean I go to thier fan forums, bash the bands and spoil legitimate conversations by people who enjoy thier music with negative views only because I don't like them? This thread is to talk about Dream Theater, thier latest release and what the future could hold, it does NOT ask for opinions on the band or why they suck. Some people really need to calm down. It seems every thread started by fans of a band takes a wrong turn when a person who hates the band has to open thier mouth. Most people are polite enough not to just barge in and say "I hate them, they suck, they never should have started, I wish I had never heard of them". Well, If you never want to hear thier music or wish you had never heard them, why not just forget about them, and not reply like that in a thread like this? mRealOnLoad; var SymRealOnUnload; function SymOnUnload() { window.open = SymWinOpen; if(SymRealOnUnload != null) SymRealOnUnload(); } function SymOnLoad() { if(SymRealOnLoad != null) SymRealOnLoad(); window.open = SymRealWinOpen; SymRealOnUnload = window.onunload; window.onunload = SymOnUnload; } SymRealOnLoad = window.onload; window.onload = SymOnLoad; //--> |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 11:13
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Me, I hope they make something combining the STYLE of riffs from Train of Thought with the mindset of Octavarium and the arrangements of SDOIT. Think about it: STYLE of riffs ToT: Complex riffs often venturing into Arabic and World music territory (but without the dissonance) Mindset of Octavarium: Restraint; not wanting to totally blow away the audience with mind-blowing solos but rather focusing on consise songwriting Arrangements of SDOIT: Lush, orchestral, not depressing, very consise.
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 11:28
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What may come after "Octavarium"?
That's the question I've asked to myself just today!!!(I was listening to Number of the Beast covered by DT  )
WDADU - weak and awfully recorded.Few interesting moments I&W - almost brilliant(IMHO),neo-prog-related(IMHO!!!) and a bit poppy  I love it!
AWAKE - their highlight.Dark,complex and challenging .Brilliant.I adore it!!!
F into I - a crap.Weak,dull and plain tribute-like release SFAM - nothing special.I love it,but it's not better than I&W or AWAKE.But it's A Return after A Crap
6DOIT - SFAM's clone,more art-rock-related,again concept-like,but more boring TOT - I LIKE IT!!!The darkest and the heaviest!!!Nevermind the alternative-related stuff - just listen to its DRIVE!!!I like it more than SFAM I guess
8-RIUM - a crap.A number of rip-offs from U2 and Muse...fav DT's bands?  Tribute-like epics and boring simple tracks
So - THE 9TH ONE - a Return after the Crap?... ? |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 11:29
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I'm very new to Dream Theater; however, I thoroughly enjoy Octavarium.
I'm a bit biased because I'm just not a metal fan (anymore); so, I tend to lean towards the more progressive side. For future releases, you can't tell. Seems that DT aren't content to remain in one spot. So, I could say, "Man, I hope they do another Octavarium or Scenes," but we could get ToT pt.2. I hope it's the former, but wouldn't be surprised if it were the latter. And if you don't like a band, why even show up in a forum devoted to it? Sort of like when I started the Fish vs. H forum and somebody writes, "I say f**k Marillion altogether". Nobody cares. E ------------- 
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Posted By: Deadwing12
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 11:30
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Personlly, I'm still wating for Images and Words II (for lack of a better description ).
I do enjoy all of DT's offereings but over the year or three in which
I've been listening to prog they have fallen out of the 'top five' I
once held them in and moved into the background with Train of Thought
and Octavarium, both decent releases but not very longstanding ones.
I'm sure most DT fans would agree that a return the glory days would be
exciting for the fans, but DT seem to be focused on writing music for
themselves now that they are at the peak of their popularity. On a side note, I seem to be in the minoirty when I express my postive regard towards 'Falling Into Infinity.' Songs such as New Millenium and Trial of Tears are breathtaking live ( I should know, I've seen them performed twice  ). As to where DT will go in the future is anbody's guess. They've made their bombastic double album, their metal album, and their commerical album...what's next but the conceptual masterpiece? (Well, the 2nd conceptual masterpiece ). These guys
have to much talent to let it go to waste, and I will remain hopeful in
the coming years. Let's just hope Petrucci learns to solo some time
soon .P.S. In response to the non-fans showing up on this thread: I see no point in randomly bashing a band on a certain thread because there's nothing better to do. There are bands that I dislike that have threads about them, yet I feel no need to voice my opinions towards a group of people who OBVIOUSLY enjoy their music. ProgArchives is meant to be used for positive and thought-provoking discussion; randomly bashing bands merely shows that many of us are immature and snotty when it comes to our music. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Deadwing008/?chartstyle=Basquiat"> 
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 11:31
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I also wonder what band will influence DT further.Look at OPETH- they're extremely populat nowadays(along with RIVERSIDE,which also has growling moments).Look at PORCUPINE TREE - they're sometimes metal-related and their soundwork impresses me a lot!!! Look at THE MARS VOLTA finally!!!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 11:39
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Exactly. Such posts are abuse, nothing else. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 11:44
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Seriously now... I think Dream Theater are probably the most gifted group of musicians thats been around in a long time .. my mind goes back to the 70`s a band called King Crimson who I would rank dream theater up against (completely different types of bands .. I know) but what I want Dream Theater to do is become more artistic , to push boundaries, but not in a heavy way, more in a creative sense ... I want them to become as creditable as King Crimson were .. I want Dream Theater to show is some theatrics and some inspiration , make us laugh make us cry .. be what they are called a "Dream Theater" for our senses . So far with Dream Theater there has been too much chunk its time to listen to Mr Fripp and expand innovate and explore the hidden meaning I know they can do it .. I mean make the prog rock world sit up and take notice .. they are something else ...
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 11:47
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^ yes, especially after the un-creative (IMO) Octavarium they should really try to make a more honest, credible effort. Maybe they will be able to do that - something similar happened when they took their last major break. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 11:59
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Do you think JT/PF/METALLICA/IRON MAIDEN covers shall lead them to something new?
btw,I'd like to know who'll be the next to covered by DT .I ain't a fan of their covers,but it's pleasant experience(a some kind of bonus to usual DT's stuff). Shall they re-make SCRIPT FOR A JESTER'S TEAR or HEMISPHERES one time? Or,maybe,OPETH's album ?Imagine growling La Brie...
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Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 12:05
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As far as the new direction for DT, i think they'll keep writing songs like Sacrificed Sons and Octavarium - songs that are melodic, proggy, and heavy I'd actually expect an album that is a little proggier next. I know they said they have a "formula" for their really good albums like Images & Words or Scenes... after Images they did what they wanted musically for two albums and people starting doubting DT after FII. So they took their "formula" and surprised us all with Scenes. I think now that they've been doing what they wanted since Scenes, they'll make another attempt to take their successful "formula" and put it back into play - seeing as many didn't like their last few efforts, especially Octavarium. I don't really know though, we'll have to see.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 12:15
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 12:17
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I think Dream Theater goes to other direction with Octavarium, and most of the songs of this album (except the 24 minutes "Octavarium" and "Sacrificed Sons"), are conventional songs, like what happened with "Falling Into Infinity" which I think it's a good album, maybe in the same level of "Octavarium", but obviously not the best, I mean, it has a more "actual" sound. I hope DT go to their origins on the next album. |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 12:17
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 12:20
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exactly my fault. They are by far more technically talented than ANY band out there today, but what lacks is tehir songwriting. When Kevin Moore was in the band, it was a higher quality because he has huge songwriting talent,. The rest of them arent as good at writing... But i think if they take their time, find their influence in classic prog again, we'll get a hell of an album ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 12:22
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Last week Dream Theater ended their 20th anniversary tour with a very special gig at the Radio City Music Hall in New York City, where the band played the second half or their show with a symphony orchestra. ------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 12:28
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Velvetclown posting in the Prog Lounge????!?!??!?!!? With something mildly informative to those who didn't know it already???!!??!?!!?!?!?!? Whoda thunkit? -------------
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 12:35
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 12:41
Second time this year, as well. Are you feeling alright, you Scandinavian mirthmaker? ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 12:41
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i was there. And it was Spectacular! ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 12:44
Oh yes, there was that other time, but was it really that useful? -------------
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 12:47
Me useful ???
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 13:24
This would be a good formula. Dream Theater pretty much reinvent themselves every record, so it's tough to say what they'll do next. As long as they do put out the album, I'm happy. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 13:29
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My apologies VC, that's one thing you could never be accused of! ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 14:34
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 17:36
| I think they should go in the direction of the superb title track to 'Octavarium'. It's one of the very few songs I've heard of DT's that has any real light and shade- I'm not counting the soppy ballads like 'Through Her Eyes' which are toe-curling imo- and for me, it really was one of the finest epics I've heard in years. Most of their songs are often bludgeoningly heavy that doesn't always do it for me; it's great sometimes and they are obviously incredibly talented musicians, but I prefer music with a bit of variation. Maybe some die-hards would complain it's not heavy enough but a progressive rock band must progress, surely? |
Posted By: CaincelaOreinim
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 17:43
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Here's what DT's next direction will be: Mike Portnoy (as he's the dominant martinet of the group) will develop an OCD like fixation on a certain neoteric band and will henceforth convince the rest of the band to go in a direction similar to that of uncertain - for the now - idee fixe; rendering the band further epigones. And I am a fan of the band, don't misunderstand; but come on, original this band is not. Great however, yes. |
Posted By: Space Dimentia
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 18:16
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I persoanlly don't know what the ninth album will be and I don't want to guess, but if i was forced to then I would say possibly another concept album, but I liked Octavarium, for me it was a progessive rock album, it ha its epic: Octavarium, it had its ballad/pop track: I walk beside you, it had its evil/heavier song: The Root of all evil. Dream Theater are a progressive rock/metal ban, each album is a progresstion from the next, I know when it comes to DT fans your either into when days and dreams unite-change of seasons era fan or a change of season-octavraium fan along with you like their new sound or you feel they should have carried their sound from I&W and Awake forward (forging a sound now taken by Circus Maximus). They progress on each album so really we should not be fighting. But thats a side note. To be honest i don't know what the next installment of Dream Theater will be and Im not going to guess, so when it comes out it will suprise me ps as for root of all evil apparently it is an ongoing stroy starting at The Mirrror from Awake travelling on to This Glass Prison from SDOIT, then into This Dying Sould from TOT then coming up to ate with The Root of all Evil from Octavarium (id like to see that continued, maybe as a concept album?). ------------- Prog is music for the mind Hear your Orphaned child! Check out my bands myspace site: www.myspace.com/equinox17 |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 20:06
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 20:07
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That's the greatest post I've ever read
goes to dhow what 7,000 post can do to you ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 20:26
I don't feel that Octavarium was creating an album that they wanted to. I think the pressure of "Prog elitist's" got to Portnoy and probably the rest of the band. They were sick of the "all Dream Theater is are a bunch of talented musicians that create musical masterbation" stereotype and wanted to show the prog fans that they can create a "Supper's Ready" or "neo-Prog" type epic (though it isn't nearly as good as Supper's Ready or a newer prog epic like "The Great Nothing.") They were writing to prove that they can be more "psychadellic" (hence the covering of Dark Side of the Moon.) I think Dream Theater should stop worrying about proving something to prog fans and write where they get inspiration. If they do that, we're bound to get a better, more inspired album than the previous two. If they keep worrying about what the fans think, we'll all probably see a neo- prog album by DT. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Dr Know
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 20:41
I reckon the next album will be very prog and will rival SFAM in it´s greatness. Just my personal prediction of course
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 20:46
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It's too hard to predict what Dream Theater will do next. They seem to always have a way of suprising their fans. I support any logical direction they decide to take their music in. -------------  
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Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 02:21
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Retirement!
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Posted By: Blackleaf
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 03:06
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Honestly, I don't care what they do. Every single album, even WDADU, has something special, and is therefore worth listening to. In fact, I don't really have a favourite album, I like them all equally, and for different reasons and arrangements. Therefore, as long as they don't do an album of horribly generic songs that are all 3 or 4 minutes long, then I'll be happy. ------------- 
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 03:41
That'd be great!!!I'm a huge neo-fan myself .But before they must make a Script for a Jester's Tear's cover .Or Subterrane'a one.Or Masquerade Overture's one.Or Moonshine's one...
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 03:59
!!!
Nice said.I like DT's music,but I dislike this fuzz around 'em
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 11:15
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 11:39
Yes, it's a fine example of Neo Prog Metal. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Man Made God
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 11:56
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Well, that's one hell of a question. Train of Thought & SDOIT were a few of my favorite albums by DT. But Octavarium just didn't DO it for me... The titlesong was magnificent, as well as The Root of All Evil. But songs like I Walk beside you, Never enough & The answer lies within aren't DT songs in my opinion. So, what's next? When I look back to the last couple of years, and the music DT has been making, my hopes are (again) pretty high. Allthough Octavarium wasn't exactly my cup of tea for the full 70 minutes, the craftsmenship showed itsself nonetheless. I just hope that the next album WILL blow me away, and besides that I hope that they will grab hold of the amazing musical thoughts they had while making albums like ToT & SDOIT, because those really did it for me. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/manmadegod/?chartstyle=ScarlettJohansson1"> 
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 11:58
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It always perplexes me as to what people "see" in Dream Theater. I just dont "get" them at all and they seem the very antithesis of Progressive music. But at the end of the day I say "live and let live" and if people get enjoyment out of them that's a good thing. My review of Octavarium frames my feelings exactly: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=44672 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=44672 So my wish for Dream Theater is that they start putting some feeling into their work and less notes,much less notes... |
Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 12:24
This is probably why it is so hard to please everyone. Metal DT fans don't seem to like thier prog elements, prog fans don't seem to like the solos. Every band has a unique style, some bands aren't good at very emotional music like Dream Theater, as it is pretty well known, but many fans of Dream Theater love the endless wild soloing that shows supreme instrumental skill. This is the beauty of human opinion, you can't see how people really like Dream Theater, I can't see how people don't like them! It's odd, i started prog listening to mainly just DT and Rush, both are bands that are reletively hard to get into, with DT's unemotional solos etc. and Rush's sceaming voice of Geddy lee. I think because these were technically my first rock bands in general, (not just first prog bands, first rock bands) I find bands many people find controversial or lack something very good because I am used to odd bands with elements people don't seem to like. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 12:26
| just edited some superfluous code there Maj X |
Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 12:31
Thanks, it keeps doing that lately, and I try to edit it but it comes back. odd... |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 12:46
I rather they put more feeling, more substance into their work and even increase the number of notes! Virtuosity and stellar musicianship will always be one of the key elements of Dream Theater ... get used to it (or don't)! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 13:03
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I guess there's no cut and dry prog rock fan who is guaranteed to like Dream Theater.There's probably some minute element in a person's taste far below the surface causing an upraor against the band or a penchant toward them that simply can't be known outright. I think people who dislike them do so not becuase they play a lot of notes, because I'm sure the same people find The Mahavishnu Orchestra amazing, but rather they either don't like the metal aspect of the band or the melodic, neo side of the band, depending on their predisposition. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 13:32
I've always felt that they maintain a high level of feeling and emotion at all speeds. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 13:36
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^ Well, IMO they did on Awake and some other albums, but not so much on Octavarium. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 14:19
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I hope they don't make another I&M or SFAM. Yes, they are
good (masterpiece IMO) but, they never repeated themselves on any album
and thats what I like about them. None of their albums sounds alike and
they already covered alot in their sound so, what's next? They made a good choice taking a little break and hopefully they'll come back with a bang like in Six degrees. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Ryan
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 14:22
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See, that's why nobody likes you. You're hateful and only see your side of things. If this wasn't true you'd be able to admit the talent they have, even if they sound like crap - which is arguable. Technical ability is not subjective. |
Posted By: razifa
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 15:04
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To me Dream Theater needs to rest for a while, the will of recording albums as a music machine had taken the band to a point where they collapsed. Dream Theater has always been an explorative band and they love to mix and try different things from one album to another. "Octavarium" as a metal album is good but as a progressive album is a failure. The marketing of music is killing the image of "DT king of metal prog" an it is taking this band to point where they may be no return. Sometimes I think the best is that this band dissolves and keep away from music for a while. The music had changed from the 90's to 2006 and now metal prog had become less technical but more innovative. Metal Prog is starting to get weaker in general.... My point is I love DT, but this bands got me fed up!!! Their age should finish now unless we want another "Duke" and "Abacab" or "90125"... Sorry boys, I don't mean to offend but that's my opinion. ------------- ********** **razifa** ********** |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 15:20
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I hope they record an album in the vein of ToT, only much heavier, more intricate and devoid of any nu-metal/alternative/otherwise fashionable elements. I hope they play more notes than ever, but in better order than lately. I hope LaBrie stays off the higher reaches of his range, even if it means flat singing. I hope they never record another ballad again. I can hope... |
Posted By: Anguiad
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 00:56
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That is probably the only album missing: an album FULL OF POPPY BALLADS. Yaay! Can you imagine that?? They'll invite Kenny G and Phil Collins as guest musicians and LaBrie will sing a duet with newcomer Kelly Clarkson. The CD will include two bonus Cds including all tracks with karaoke singing along and a dvd with coreographies of all songs, with remixes of their most famous hits with a bit of techno!! As bad as it could sound I would probably buy it! ------------- "Tis your birth and faith that wrong you...not I." |
Posted By: dagrush
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 01:14
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I hope they make an album similar in fashion to TFTO: Totally bizarre music, nonsensical lyrics and 4 tracks around 20 minutes long. Also, bring back Beckenstein to play saxophone on a song or two. As for what they'll actually do, I have no idea. Considering that they don't currently have a record deal, it could be anything. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/omgwtfdagrush/"> 
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Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 01:59
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Can't we all just stop guessing and patiently wait to see what happens??? We all know they're taking a break from touring and recording for a few months... can't we do the same? ------------- Strangers passing in the street by chance two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see is me. And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land and help me understand the best I can |