Best and Worst of DT
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Topic: Best and Worst of DT
Posted By: hanselnmetal
Subject: Best and Worst of DT
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 12:55
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Dream Theater is a great group of musicians
they have had good moments and bad
give me what you think is their best and worst moments and why
Best- Awake (Caught in a Web, The Mirror, Erotomania)
In my opinion the most prog DT album
Worst- Octovarium
Lost the progressive favor they once had, just doesnt do it for me ------------- 
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 12:57
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Best moment- John Myung tackles James LaBrie onstage for fifty bucks.
Worst moment- in my opinion they've never had one.  -------------  
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Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:00
Fanboy!  -------------  
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AtLossForWords wrote:Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:00
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:02
I agree with that. I still think their worst is Falling Into Infinity It's the only DT album with which I find myself consistently skipping songs ("Anna Lee" and "The Hollow Years" just make me cringe) ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: Time-Machinist
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:05
Your nickname just covers sth negative for D.T., and positive for its genre rivals i guess.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:06
Agreed ... but Octavarium is not THAT bad. A decent 3 star album! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: MusicForSpeedin
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:08
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Best Moment - Images and Words or Awake
Worst Moment - I walk beside you or you not me
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:09
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Best Moment: Dream Theater with Kevin Moore (namely Awake).
Worst Moment: Dream Theater without Kevin Moore (6DoIT, FII, ToT, eek) ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: hanselnmetal
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:09
Falling into infinity might have been one of DT's worst prog albums, but ablums like six degrees of inner turbulence and octovarium i do not consider true prog and i think should take the worst DT album prize -------------
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:22
That's the only problem I have with the album and the only bad momments, but I'll still give the album 3 stars. How can I say no to Trial of Tears, New Millennium, Hells Kitchen, Peruvian Skies ? the best momment of DT for me may be either Images and words (metropolis, wait for sleep, learning to live and others) or Scenes from a memory (Home, Beyond this life, Finally free and others) ------------- 
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Posted By: Tasartir
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:23
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Best Moments: Awake and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. The songs on the first disc of Six Degrees are awesome (The Great Debate). As well as the first song on A Change of Seasons, what a great song.
Worst Moments: Train of Thought, it contains less memorable moments than any other album by DT before.
I wouldn't put Falling Into Infinity into the "worst moment" list at all, some songs on that album are great, New Millenium, Hell's Kitchen and Trial of Tears, at least those are great, but no, still not one of their best.
The rest of their stuff is good but not the BEST. ------------- ...Histoires Sans Paroles... |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:24
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I really like FiI ... I don't mind one or two filler tracks (or three ... there's also Anna Lee), considering that the playtime is nearly 80 minutes.
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Posted By: hanselnmetal
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:29
by ToT do you mean train of thought, because jordan rudess was on the line-up for train of thought
Line-up
- James LaBrie / vocals -------------
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:30
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My two favorite Dream Theater albums are Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence and Awake. The two are argueably Dream Theater's most creative endeavours. The epic SDoIt is as balanced as it is ambitious with another disc of Dream Theater's most experimental matierial.
I don't understand the negativity towards Falling Into Infinity. I think it's actually one of Dream Theater's most progressive album, probably more progressive than Images and Words (which has much more of a pop vibe). Falling Into Infinity has the most interesting stucture of any Dream Theater album excluding Six Degrees and Scenes From a Memory. The only song that I really feel is a filler is You Not Me. Anna Lee is the ballad intro to Trial of Tears the same way Wait For Sleep is for Learning to Live. One is argueably better than the other, but Anna Lee isn't simply a filler track. -------------
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Posted By: hanselnmetal
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:32
i agree with the falling into infinity statement -------------
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Posted By: Jeff Schu
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:41
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Best Moment: Jordan Rudess joins Dream Theater leading to the creation of Scenes From a Memory (The best DT album)/ Images and Words is released and redefines prog-metal's sound.
Worst Moment: Kevin Moore leaves the band for creative differences and DT gets stuck with Derek Sherinian (who is pretty good in his own right) instead of Jordan Rudess (The first choice for a replacement). ------------- 
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:53
Whoops, I meant to say DT without Kevin Moore. Fixed it now. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Jeff Schu
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:54
Rudess Era DT > Moore Era DT -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:56
The only thing I see Dream Theater experimenting with on the first disc of Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is other band's sounds (Tool, Pantera, King Crimson), and the second disc is full of Dream Theater's indulgent excess and cheese that gives them a bad name and stops people from discovering some of their genius material.
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 14:02
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In my opinion this is Dream Theater's order of albums according to progressiveness.
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Scenes From a Memory
Awake
Falling Into Infinity
Images and Words
Ocatavarium
Train of Thought
When Dream and Day Unite -------------
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Posted By: proglil49
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 14:08
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For me:
The best is Images & Words
The worst is Train of Thought ------------- I want to be an astronaut |
Posted By: Hatters
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 14:11
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Best moment: Metropolis Pt. 2 Scenes from a Memory. Pure Prog Brilliance. Worst: A Change of Seasons except for the title track which is ok. -------------  http://www.last.fm/user/SHatters/?chartstyle=basic10"> 
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Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 14:31
Hoping for a day without a DT thread? Anyway, I think thier best moments are on Awake and Images & Words (possibly Six Degrees as well), and thier worst is the commercial stuff off FII and Octavarium (You not Me, Burning my soul, Answer lies within, I walk beside you). ------------- 
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 15:05
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^I actually like The answer lies within and don't think is a bad track. I walk beside you is another story. It's sucks, but surprisingly sounds better and with more energy and soul when played live.
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Posted By: lightbulb_son
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 15:42
Yup this site sure has plenty of them.In my opinion their worst moment was when they formed.
They've never had a good one. ------------- When the world is sick Can't no one be well But I dreamt we were all beautiful and strong 
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 16:54
Wow, how objective.  -------------
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 17:36
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Their best moment (actually the best in all of prog metal) is A Change of Seasons (the song not the album).
Their worst moment was probably I walk beside you... ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: bapazian
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 17:39
Anyways though back to the original topic though for me the best would be Awake. The worst would be Octavarium because its a relatively boring cd other than the three songs I listed above. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/bapazian/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 17:42
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^ on my website it's not much of a problem - you rate each track, and 10 minutes out of 80 don't affect the overall rating too much. And here in the archives it shouldn't be more than 1/4 of a star.
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 17:44
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^^ oo that sounds intriguing. I might have to check that site out.
------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 17:54
^ suit yourself! You can help me test the new recommendations feature.
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 17:55
MikeEnRegalia's Rating Freak, the source to all of your rock/metal rating problems.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 17:56
I'm a shameless spammer, I confess!
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 18:09
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Well it worked. I am now registered and have rated 5 or 6 albums. ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 18:19
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Best moment - when a bra was throwed to the stage.. worst moment - i dont really like Charlie Dominici's voice.. ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg"> 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 18:22
wow - that's fast. And all Dream Theater!  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: hanselnmetal
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 19:32
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i dont know why many of you say train of thought is their worst moment
its not that bad. it is heavier than the others though
i guess i like it because i came from a background of heavy metal before prog
it has its good moments -------------
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 19:48
Lol. I know... I was goign to do their whole Catalogue, then go on to other bands, but got tired of it. lol. I'll be back on later though to do more albums (from different bands...) ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: Jeff Schu
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 22:26
I agree I personally think Train of Thought is an awesome album. My 4th favorite overall by them actually I think it gets way too much flak simply because it's a heavy album with alot of technical sections. I think it's great. -------------
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Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 22:41
| Well, to get back to the original question, I think Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence is their best and the album Falling Into Infinity is their worst. I like Train Of Thought also, and don't consider Octavarium their worst album. |
Posted By: hanselnmetal
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 23:19
hooray someone agrees with me -------------
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Posted By: Jeff Schu
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 23:48
I disagree "Scenes From a Memory" is their best with either "Falling Into Infinity" or "When Dream and Day Unite" being their worst overall.
My fav DT albums in order:
1. Scenes From A Memory (1999)
2. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance (2002)
3. Images & Words (1992)
4. Train of Thought (2003)
5. Awake (1994)
6. A Change of Seasons (1995)
7. Octavarium (2005)
8. Falling Into Infinity (1997)
9. When Dream and Day Unite (1989) -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 00:36
I think it recieves most of the criticism because it's not nearly as melodic or even progressive as you've come to expect from Dream Theater. Personally I'm not a huge fan of the album but I think it was a big step in the right direction after the abysmal Six Degrees. Songs like Honor Thy Father and Stream of Consciousness are great. The rest of the album has its moments but nothing too spectacular. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 00:40
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Train of Thought is deceptively progressive. It constantly "progresses" from As I Am into Stream of Conciousness and In the Name of God. This album has a relentless dark atmosphere that consistently hits the listener in different ways. It's not Dream Theater's best, but it's still an excellent album.
I personally see 1000x more effort and creativity in Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. -------------
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Posted By: Jeff Schu
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 00:49
Didn't they record it in like less then three weeks too??? Pretty sure they wrote and recorded Train of Thought rather quickly. -------------
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Posted By: hanselnmetal
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 01:06
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well here is my order
1. Awake
2. Scenes from a Memory
3. Images and Words
4. Falling into Infinity
5. Train of Thought
6. Change of Seasons
7. When Dream and Day Unite
8. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
9. Octovarium -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 01:15
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I don't understand why Scenes From A Memory is so highly regarded by fans. I think a lot of people just like it because it's a concept album. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Reverie
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 01:16
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Best - Awake. Images and Words is great, Awake is better, FII has some outstanding tracks on it, and A Change of Seasons (the song) is awesome.
Worst - Train of Thought. This is the album that put me off DT. I haven't even bothered to hear all of Octavarium, but Train of Thought was enough for me. Six Degrees wasn't much cop either. So basically Pre-Rudess-DT = good, Rudess-DT = bad, bar SFAM. I'm not blaming this on Rudess, he just marks a change in the band's direction that i do not like. |
Posted By: Jeff Schu
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 01:19
Albums like Scenes From a Memory and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence just wouldn't haven been possible with Kevin Moore. If anything blame Portnoy -------------
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Posted By: hanselnmetal
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 01:39
I highly regard Scenes from a Memory mostly for 4 keys reasons:
1. Dance of Eternity
2. Home
3. Beyond this life
4. Fatal Tragedy -------------
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Posted By: coffeeintheface
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 02:23
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best: Scenes from a Memory worst: Train of Thought ------------- OBQM: www.soundcloud.com/onebigquestionmark (solo project) nQuixote: www.soundcloud.com/n-quixote (ambient + various musical ideas) |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 02:31
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I don't dislike anything Dream Theater's done except the first disk of 6DoIT (Sorry Tlossy!). Misunderstood is fine, but "The Glass Prison" and "The Great Debate" fall so flat it hurts. I actually think The Glass Prison is terrible. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: coffeeintheface
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 03:11
I think The Glass Prison is possibly their best single song. Interesting you think that, though. I take it you don't like really heavy stuff? ------------- OBQM: www.soundcloud.com/onebigquestionmark (solo project) nQuixote: www.soundcloud.com/n-quixote (ambient + various musical ideas) |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 03:21
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Best: Six degrees of inner turbulence Worst: Train of thought But I would say that, I am a prog fan.. |
Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 05:06
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Best Moment Images and Words and Six Degrees
Worst Moment I walk Beside You, These Walls ------------- 
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Posted By: Ben2112
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:24
I agree with both your choices. Awake is far and away my favorite, and Octavarium is just "blah" to me. Many of my favorite DT tracks are on Awake: Caught In A Web, The Mirror, Lie, 6:00, Space Dye Vest...brilliant album!. |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:27
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I think I change my answer to:
Best- 6doit Disc two
Worst- 6doit Disc one ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:50
I agree
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Posted By: zFrogs
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:51
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My choices are:
Best: Images and Words
Worst: When Dream and Day Unite ------------- https://www.instagram.com/erifrog/ |
Posted By: tdreamer
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:54
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A hard one to call but here goes
Best - Images & Words Worst - Octavarium. I've tried to like Octavarium but appart from the title track it just doesn't grab me as a good album. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:07
It's strange you would hate WDaDU so much with Images and Words being your favorite, except for the lack of LaBrie's vocals they really are very similar. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:35
Well allow me to attempt to answer this question.
Between 1997 and 2002 Dream Theater had recorded matierial for three albums, Falling Into Infinity, Scenes From a Memory, and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. These albums were not written in entirety, but a starting point for most of the matierial was done. In 1997 Dream Theater was starting to become more and more label controlled. That's why Falling Into Infinity is considerably more poppy than other albums with songs like You Not Me. Mike Portnoy said that if the band had complete control at the time, they would have done a twenty-five minute epic, Metropolis Part II:Scenes From a Memory.
Jordan Rudess is also a key part of Scenes From a Memory and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, because the timbre of those albums would be simply impossible to capture with Derek Sherinian and Kevin Moore. Rudess was offered to join DT in 1997, but Steve Morse of the Dixie Dregs offered him a spot in his band, playing with Morse was more important to Rudess at the time, so he declined the DT offfer. Much of the Falling Into Infinity matierial is written with Sherinian's capability in mind.
Scenes From a Memory is so important to Dream Theater's career, because it was a return of control over the band to the band. Dream Theater was able to take the musical direction it wanted to again. That's why it's such an ambitious album surrounded with so much matierial, it's a concept album with a dvd, and an overwhelming cd release and tour. Scenes From a Memory is Dream Theater being the Dream Theater Dream Theater wanted to be.
Personally I think it would have been really interesting to have an album from '97 with matierial mixing togethor songs like Trial of Tears, Hell's Kitchen/Lines in the Sand, New Millenium, The Glass Prison, Misunderstood, and maybe another disc featuring a long Metropolis epic. This perhaps would have taken Dream Theater's 1999-2002 and beyond career in a much different and more progressive direction.
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Posted By: billbuckner
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:40
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Best: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence Worst: Falling Into Infinity Six Degrees only has 2 good songs, IMO. Luckily, it accounts for about an hour of the album.  |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:53
I understand the history, and the importance of it as an album in their career, but I still fail to see what is so amazing about it. It's a 3.5 star album and I'm not so sure why fan after fan seem to hail it as their best work. True Jordan is essential to the new Dream Theater sound, but I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. I'll take the textures and moods of Moore with Dream Theater's music over the bombast of Rudess who brought into Dream Theater's music so much of the over blown technical showcasing that ruined their later albums. I agree with your sentiments on the album and epic that never were. If Metropolis PT2 was cut into a 30 song the result would have been as fantastic as A Change Of Season's I'm sure. And if you took the best of Falling Into Infinity and Six Degrees along with it, you would have a great album indeed instead of what we were given instead. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:58
Hmm...not by default. I'm listening to Epica right now, and I have 2 Opeth cds and some power metal. I just don't think that is a good song. I like the intro, pretty epic sounding, but the rest of the song sounds a bit cliche and annoying to me. LaBrie's vocals in parts are just disgustingly stupid IMO. It's funny, because I like the second disk more than just about any other DT recording. I do like lighter, more symphonic prog-metal, but I can stand really heavy stuff as long as it's catchy, well written, and doesn't annoy me. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 17:35
The first and third movements of the Glass Prison are genius. I don't like the vocal section of the second movement, but the instrumental section is pretty cool. The Glass Prison isn't one of Dream Theater's best pieces, but it's by far the best of the "Portnoy Drinking Epic". -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 17:43
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^ I prefer The Mirror ... and Lie, for that matter.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 17:50
For me, I like 'em in this order:
1. The Root of All Evil
2. This Dying Soul
3. The Glass Prison
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 17:55
The Mirror and Lie combine for my least favorite Dream Theater song. That I really don't enjoy them. I fail to see what everyone likes about them. They're just straight up metal songs. That being said Petrucci's tapping in Lie is cool, but throughout both tracks, I never found anything else of interest. -------------
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 20:21
Good, I'm not the only one. I always found those to be the weakest part of Awake - apart from "Space Dye Vest", which I also never really enjoyed that much (I seem to be in a serious minority here). |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 20:48
Yeah a serious one. The Lie and Mirror may be little more than straight metal tracks but they're still very well executed and have some of James' best singing. And Space-Dye Vest is easily Dream Theater's best song. It's simply perfect. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Proghat
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 21:53
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Best Albums: -Images and Words -Awake -Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory Best Songs (Not on the albums listed): WDADU: -A Fortune in Lies -Light Fuse and Get Away -Afterlife -The Ones Who Help to Set The Sun -Only a Matter of Time CoS (I know, it doesn't count, but the song is awesome): -Change of Seasons FII: -New Millenium -Burning My Soul -Hell's Kitchen -Lines in The Sand -Take Away My Pain -Trial of Tears SDOIT: -The Glass Prison -Blind Faith -The Great Debate -The Test That Stumped Them All (It's pure camp) -Solitary Shell -About to Crash (Reprise) ToT: -This Dying Soul -Endless Sacrifice -Honor Thy Father -In The Name of God Octavarium: -Never Enough (Even though it rips off Stockholm Syndrome, but it's still a good song.) -Panic Attack -Sacrificed Sons (The second half at least... The beginning is boring as hell.) -Octavarium Worst Albums: WDADU FII Octavarium (The title track may be their best song yet, however.) |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 00:32
You're on your own when it comes to Space Dye Vest, I think the piano part for that song is brilliant. It's just so classical, but it has a completely different timbre from any piece with that much classical technique involved. It's a unique song that will probably never come around again in music.
Awake is just so good until it gets to The Mirror and Lie. I think if DT replaces those two tunes, I like Awake more than my current favorite album Six Degrees of InnerTurbulence. -------------
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Posted By: ProgWizard2112
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 01:08
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Best moment the song octavarium
worst moment- I walk beside you
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 09:52
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Best : IAW, Awake, ACOS, the title track, SDOIT.
Worst: You not me and Honor Thy Father.
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Posted By: Hopeless
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 10:53
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I think their best album is the concept album "Scens From A Memory" (Best songs: "Strange Deja Vu", "Fatal Tragedy", "One Last Time", "Beyond This Life"). Brilliant :D
Worst... nothing.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 10:58
Those are two classic DT songs - they are FAR from standard metal, especially The Mirror with its legendary signature-changing intro. I understand that some might not like those two songs ... they're the heaviest songs on the album. But the worst of the album? Come on, there's Innocence Faded and Lifting Shadows Off a Dream! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 13:44
I think Lifting Shadows Off a Dream is one of Dream Theater's most creative ballads. The harmonics in the bass line. The keyboard melodies. The guitar delays throughout the song. It's a perfect intro to Scarred too. I really love Lifting Shadows Off a Dream.
I didn't care for Innocence Faded much at first, so if this thread were to take place years ago, I would agree with you, but the song has really grown on me. The solos are catchy, but not in a pop way, and the bass line has some really cool changes towards the middle of the track. It also has some of LaBrie's best singing. The intro sounds cheesey as hell, but the middle-end of the song is great. -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 13:46
I think Awake is perfect as it is. That's just about as Dark as I want my metal to get.  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 14:06
It's not so much that those songs are bad but they really don't fit into the atmosphere of the album. Especially Innocence Faded being thrown between Caught In A Web and Erotomania, the album already has such a great flow and mood to it and that song sort of jerks you out of it. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 14:55
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^ I fully agree with Equality here ... the songs just don't fit. Especially Lifting Shadows always seemed like filler to me, as much as I hate that word it makes sense for this track. I must also admit that I'm not really into U2, and this track is one of the first where they picked up elements from their music (listen to the guitar during the chorus, then listen to Where the Streets Have No Name). I really love the last minutes of Innocence Faded ... pure magic! If only the chorus wasn't so bland ... But all in all I still think it's their best album! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 27 2006 at 02:21
I'd been trying to pinpoint what U2 track Lifting Shadows reminded me of for the longest time. Whew thats a relief. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: June 27 2006 at 05:30
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Best: Scenes from a memory Worst: Train of thought ------------- Blog this: http://artrock2006.blogspot.com |
Posted By: zekism
Date Posted: June 27 2006 at 09:40
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The best: Images and words The Worst; Six degree's... i hate this album, it jjus seems really dull and uneneventful... |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: June 27 2006 at 11:44
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Best album: tie between Awake and Images & Words
Two of my favorite Prog-Metal releases along with Meshuggah's "Destroy Erase Improve" and Symphony X's "V - The New Mythology Suite". Excellent songs and great playing!
Worst album: Octavarium
A good album, but lack's many of the element's DT had for beign DT. The overall "sound" is not good at all and the album is not as heavy as earlier DT releases. A couple of good songs though, but I was clearly disappointed when I first heard it!
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 27 2006 at 12:27
I seem to be one of the few who likes Octavarium significantly.  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: stewe
Date Posted: June 27 2006 at 19:11
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Best: Change of Seasons, A Mind Beside itself, first disc 6DOIT Worst: When Dream and a Day Unite I agree that Scenes from a Memory is overrated. |
Posted By: billbuckner
Date Posted: June 27 2006 at 19:21
| I don't really like the first disc of Six Degrees, the second disc is much nicer to me. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 28 2006 at 11:34
Octavarium is one of their best in my book. DT's first CD "When Day and Dream Unite" just is intolerable with me. ------------- 
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Posted By: nico
Date Posted: June 28 2006 at 16:21
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Best Moment: Images and words, Awake worst moment: Train of thought |
Posted By: AcostaFulano
Date Posted: June 29 2006 at 00:56
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best - images and words worst - falling into infinity |
Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: June 29 2006 at 02:36
Anna Lee filler? That's peculiar...it's my favourite song on that album! ------------- A flower? 
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Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: June 29 2006 at 02:41
You're not alone, man! I rate Octavarium their second best album ever (on the same level as Images and Words). In particular, the title track, Sacrificed Sons and Panic Attack do really stand out! 
The gold medal obviously goes to Metropolis Part II: Scenes from a Memory Wors moment...maybe the second disc from 6DOIT, but it's still far from bad! ------------- A flower?
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Posted By: Anguiad
Date Posted: June 29 2006 at 16:00
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Originally posted by zFrogs Best: Images and Words Worst: When Dream and Day Unite
It's strange you would hate WDaDU so much with Images and Words being your favorite, except for the lack of LaBrie's vocals they really are very similar. About the When Dream and Day Unite topic, IMveryHO it is an excellent first album. It has the elements most people want in prog metal, I mean Ytse jam is a classic already. Of course nobody thought Dominicci's voice was the best ever, it is fairly the clichéd voice in power metal. Besides his voice contribution during the songs(with the exception of Only A Matter Of Time) seems to be a filler only, it appears he did not have the equal talent as the rest of the musicians. He just shines a bit in Afterlife with the catchy chorus and the tempo during the song. His best moment is in the last track. I'm already in love with that song, everything is perfect, even his singing and his voice layout during the whole song, it is so accurate! A truly spectacular finale for the album. Overall, the music is great, I was really looking forward to it for hearing more of Moore's work with the band. Now, with LaBrie everything is different. leaving aside his polemic singing style he sure has talent in uniting his voice with the rest of the music, unlike Dominicci. If Images and Words is not the best example since it is the followup then Awake surely backs up my statement here, my favourite also(every song ROCKS)
Yep. I think that In The Name Of God is a perfect example of true progressive metal, after Learning To Live. So, in a nutshell their best moment was the addition of LaBrie to the band, matching talents and opening more doors. Their worst was when Moore left the band, his creativity will never be outmatched(though I like FII and Rudess, he turned upside down the band, in a positive way i mean) ------------- "Tis your birth and faith that wrong you...not I." |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 29 2006 at 17:41
Excellent post, there are so many things that very few people account for in When Dream and Day Unite. I think with the right voice, it's a five star album. There are some great songs, the YTSE Jam and Only Matter of Time like you mentioned, but also The Killing Hand, Those Who Set the Sun, and A Fortune In Lies are all killer pieces as well. Actually I think the only "filler" on the album is Status Seeker, that's one Dream Theater song I could surely do without. With LaBrie on When Dream and Day Unite, I guarantee you that the albums ratings would be more comparable to Images and Words. A Fortune In Lies just live with LaBrie is just that much more kicking to begin with, the same goes for Only a Matter of Time. It's a shame LaBrie arrived just one album too late. -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 30 2006 at 00:41
Of course I'm not trying to comapre Dominci's vocals to LaBrie, which is why I said that it's much the same EXCEPT for the lack of LaBrie's vocals which I feel people make too big of a deal out of. I feel they dislike the album because it doesn't sound like the Dream Theater they've become use to, it has a different voice and fans can't accept that.
LaBrie really does a much better jobs on all the tracks, except Only A Matter Of Time, which he butchers. Domincci's performance on that song as Anguiad said is fantastic. He just gets it down so perfectly. LaBrie ruins that track for me, and its a shame as it's a top 3 DT track to me. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Jaydubz
Date Posted: June 30 2006 at 00:45
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Worst - The first album, I find it unlistenable for the most part.
Best - "Scenes..." - definitely their high-water mark. ------------- "Music is the best." ~ FZ |