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Topic: "Pop" Prog
Posted By: Dr4Wazo
Subject: "Pop" Prog
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 00:49
Which are the most enjoyable "pop" prog albums?

I'll start by mentioning Alan Parsons Project - Eye In The Sky


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Posted By: Astaroth
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 00:54
"Stupid Dream" by Porcupine Tree has some poppy songs, But the album is just amazing! one of my favourites
 
 


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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 00:56
Most pop prog would be under prog related
1. Priest = Aura - The Church
2. Heyday - The Church
3. Starfish- The Church
4. Forget Yourself- The Church
5. A New World Record - ELO
6. ELO 2 - ELO
7. Uninvited like the Clouds - The Curch 
 
EDIT:
all by SupertrampClap 

Breakfast in America

Even in the quietest moments

Crime of the Century

Crisis, what Crisis?



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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 01:20
Kevin Gilbert - The Shaming of the True

(Listening to it now Wink)

Spock's Beard are another good one.  They sound like a modern version of The Beatles mixed with 70s Prog.


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Posted By: ldlanberg
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 01:42
Manfred Mann's Earth Band played a direct  type of 'space rock' progressive (I guess it can be called), for a few albums in the early 1970s. I believe the example I am thinking of is Solar Fire, or something like that. Solar something.
 
Pretty enjoyable -- no complex time signatures or mellotrons or anything like that, but it did have a futuristic, astral quality. Wasn't really Pop though, but it didn't have over-the-edge prog bombast either. Genesis Wind and Wuthering would be the closest comparison I could reasonably make.
 


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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 01:50
Kevin Gilbert always described his music as "progressive pop".Like Mike said,try out The Shaming of the True or Thud.

A.C.T. is definitely progressive pop to me(Last Epic is awesome).Also maybe IZZ and their album I Move.

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Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 01:52
Split Enz's  Frenzy

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Posted By: suomynona
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 02:37
Supertramp - Crime, Quietest Moments, Crisis, and Breakfast
ELO - Time (much more pop than prog)
Radiohead - discography
Rheostatics - Introducing Happiness
Peter Gabriel - first album (one with him sitting in a car in the rain)




Posted By: Someo Therguy
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 03:55
Utopia - RA


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 04:08
IQ - Are You Sitting Comfortably.
 
Includes IQ's most 'poppy' songs but it all flows quite nicely and is well produced.


Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 04:12
I'd go with Supertramp's "Breakfast in America" (a prime example of intelligent prog-pop), Peter Gabriel's "So", and Kate Bush's first three albums. Camel and Caravan also have their fair share of 'poppy' songs, some very good. And then, though many hate it, I'd also like to mention Yes' "90125".


Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 04:13
ELO and APP/ APB are megic POP PROG.
In this direction I include also 10cc, Procol Harum and Moody Blues.


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Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 05:14
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

I'd go with Supertramp's "Breakfast in America" (a prime example of intelligent prog-pop), Peter Gabriel's "So", and Kate Bush's first three albums. Camel and Caravan also have their fair share of 'poppy' songs, some very good. And then, though many hate it, I'd also like to mention Yes' "90125".
 
Ya, I agree AvatarLOL
 
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Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 07:03
Talking Heads - Remain In Light
 
They'll never make it onto the archives, but this album is a great demonstration of a "pop" band making unique, challenging, progressive music.


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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 07:21

Remote Control by The Tubes

 



Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 09:03
Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

Talking Heads - Remain In Light
 
They'll never make it onto the archives, but this album is a great demonstration of a "pop" band making unique, challenging, progressive music.


ClapClapClap

That's a fantastic record from a great band. I was all in favour of their inclusion, but some people had a fit at the very thought. But then we have Nightwish and Rhapsody in PA...Cry


Posted By: billbuckner
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 09:21
Rush - Moving Pictures


Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 11:55
Originally posted by Bluesaga Bluesaga wrote:

Kevin Gilbert - The Shaming of the True

(Listening to it now Wink)

Spock's Beard are another good one.  They sound like a modern version of The Beatles mixed with 70s Prog.


Yep, I have to give it to Shaming of the True, absoutlutley amazing.

Not sure how prog this one us, But So by Peter Gabriel aint to bad.


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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 12:27

Rush, IQ, Spock's Beard and Porcupine Tree (among others noted here) are not "pop prog," as I believe Dr4Wazo was asking.  Those bands come under specific subgenres of prog, not "prog-related" or "pop prog."

The bands that I would consider "pop prog" - and those I would suggest as "enjoyable" overall - would be Supertramp, 10CC, ELO, and The Church (though I don't believe they belong in "pop prog").  I might even include Klaatu, though they are not listed as such.

Re Supertramp, "Breakfast" is unquestionably their most "enjoyable" (i.e., upbeat) album.  Re 10CC, I'd go with Sheet Music or The Original Soundtrack.  Re The Church, I would go with Sometime Anywhere or Forget Yourself.  I am not familiar enough with ELO to make an informed choice.

Peace.



Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 12:45

Styx - The Grand Illusion

 

Great album!



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Posted By: philhepple
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 12:51
If you like the Alan Parsons Project albums you'll LOVE the first 2 albums by Ambrosia.
Alan mixed their first self titled one and produced their second one "Somewhere I've Never Travelled". Both albums are full of Classic Prog Pop songs that are brilliantly performed and recorded.


Posted By: mjf85maf
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 13:07
Good call, phil...
 
The first 2 Ambrosia cd's are spectacular; the song "Drink Of Water" on the debut is just a classic.  Chris North's organ playing is inspiring.
 
I'm fond of all of their albums, with "One-Eighty" being the least favorite due to a few weak songs.  "Road Island" from 1982 is an undiscovered gem.


Posted By: HORSEtheman
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 13:48
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

Talking Heads - Remain In Light
 
They'll never make it onto the archives, but this album is a great demonstration of a "pop" band making unique, challenging, progressive music.


ClapClapClap

That's a fantastic record from a great band. I was all in favour of their inclusion, but some people had a fit at the very thought. But then we have Nightwish and Rhapsody in PA...Cry


I agree wholeheartedly.  Talking Heads are an amazing band, and should be included if we're going to include cheesy power metal like Rhapsody, which hardly dabbles prog.


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Posted By: -Minstrel-
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 15:54
I'd say Spock's beard - Octane
or PT - Stupid Dream..
Both very poppy (I love Stupid Dream though)


Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 16:00
Check out Spiraling with Tom Brilin on keyboards or Kino is another one that comes to mind.  Arena also.
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 18:32
  There are a lot of examples: first of all Asia, any album for me works great, whether it is from the Wetton era or from the Payne era.
  Also, any Queen album is an enjoyable music "trip"; 80s Yes, 80s Kansas (sorry, I love these albums)
  Jethro Tull - Broadsword and the Beast
  80s Camel
  Any Manfred Mann's Earth Band album.
 That's all for now, some other examples later on...


Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 19:15
Porcupine Tree's Stupid Dream- and I suppose radiohead.

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 05:21
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

  There are a lot of examples: first of all Asia, any album for me works great, whether it is from the Wetton era or from the Payne era.
  Also, any Queen album is an enjoyable music "trip"; 80s Yes, 80s Kansas (sorry, I love these albums)
  Jethro Tull - Broadsword and the Beast
  80s Camel
  Any Manfred Mann's Earth Band album.
 That's all for now, some other examples later on...


Maybe it's just me, but I don't find "Broadsword and the Beast" that poppy... If I were to call any of JT's records poppy, I'd rather choose "Too Old to R'n'R..." or even "A". Just my two eurocents, of course...Wink


Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 10:11
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

  There are a lot of examples: first of all Asia, any album for me works great, whether it is from the Wetton era or from the Payne era.
  Also, any Queen album is an enjoyable music "trip"; 80s Yes, 80s Kansas (sorry, I love these albums)
  Jethro Tull - Broadsword and the Beast
  80s Camel
  Any Manfred Mann's Earth Band album.
 That's all for now, some other examples later on...


Maybe it's just me, but I don't find "Broadsword and the Beast" that poppy... If I were to call any of JT's records poppy, I'd rather choose "Too Old to R'n'R..." or even "A". Just my two eurocents, of course...Wink
 
I would say that Broadsword and the Beast is a good call for this thread. The very presence of Peter John Vettese automatically makes an album he's featuring in a poppy one (for me, of course).


Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: October 11 2006 at 12:34

Styx - Grand Illusion

Supertramp - Breakfast in America

Alan Parsons Project - I Robot, The Turn of a Friendly Card, Eye in the Sky



Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: October 11 2006 at 12:54
A Momentary Lapse Of Reason

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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: October 11 2006 at 13:05
pop prog=oxymoron IMO


Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 11 2006 at 13:11
I think the 3 ACT albums fit into this thread very well; Today's Report, Imaginary Friends & Last Epic are all great albums...Clap


Posted By: Selkie
Date Posted: October 11 2006 at 13:14
Pure Reason Revolution, maybe...

Also, Pineforest Crunch.


Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: October 11 2006 at 15:21
Originally posted by ldlanberg ldlanberg wrote:

Manfred Mann's Earth Band played a direct  type of 'space rock' progressive (I guess it can be called), for a few albums in the early 1970s. I believe the example I am thinking of is Solar Fire, or something like that. Solar something.
 
Pretty enjoyable -- no complex time signatures or mellotrons or anything like that, but it did have a futuristic, astral quality. Wasn't really Pop though, but it didn't have over-the-edge prog bombast either. Genesis Wind and Wuthering would be the closest comparison I could reasonably make.
 
There are actually Mellotrons in their BOB DYLAN cover "Father of Day Father of Night". I have only heard that song, not space rock imo, but quite psychedelic and very, very great! I'll have to hunt down this album.


Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 12 2006 at 17:47
On the Babyblaue Seite site, the best german prog site and one of the most eclecctic prog sites, they have a subgenre called 'artpop', in which they gather artists such as :
Laurie Anderson
Kate Bush
Lisa Dalbello
Rain for a day
Björk
David Bowie
The Beatles
 
See the complete list here :
 
http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/index.php?content=list&genrecont=4 - http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/index.php?content=list&genrecont=4


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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: October 12 2006 at 17:48
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Check out Spiraling with Tom Brilin on keyboards or Kino is another one that comes to mind.  Arena also.

How so?


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Posted By: Pulse
Date Posted: October 12 2006 at 21:53
I'm suprised no one has mentioned the first two Genesis albums after Steve Hackett left. And Then There Were Three and Duke stand out as prog-pop in my mind.


Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: October 12 2006 at 22:15
I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned The Beatles!!

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Posted By: justin24
Date Posted: October 12 2006 at 22:33
It all started when I picked up a copy of yessongs at a garage sale.  I was instantly hooked.  I'd heard fragile before, but didnt like it at the time(now's a different story).  Then I got into king crimson and gentle giant.  And of course I already liked pink floyd...and emerson lake and palmer...


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 12 2006 at 22:35
Group 87, first album
Abacab
RA
ELP, first album


Posted By: Meddler
Date Posted: October 12 2006 at 22:50
Deffinately Muse. Clap

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Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: October 12 2006 at 23:09
Originally posted by Meddler Meddler wrote:

Deffinately Muse. Clap
I was reading thru and thinking how come no ones mentioned the current masters of pop prog Muse!
For all you Australians dont forget the huge prog double billing in February with Muse and Tool both featuring on "The Big Day Out"tour.


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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 12 2006 at 23:20
Hey guys, lets stop this insanity, there's nothing called Pop - Prog, both are the opposites of the musical spectrum, there's is Prog and non Prog Music plus a few bands that played in the borderline of mainstream (Not necesarilly POP) called Prog Related.
 
If there was something called Pop/Prog it would be a non Prog sub-genre that includes bands THAT ARE POP but have some remote relation with Prog like AOR, which is a conservative and POP oriented evolution after the first golden era of Prog ended.
 
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Posted By: alias10mr
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 06:17
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Hey guys, lets stop this insanity, there's nothing called Pop - Prog, both are the opposites of the musical spectrum, there's is Prog and non Prog Music plus a few bands that played in the borderline of mainstream (Not necesarilly POP) called Prog Related.
 

If there was something called Pop/Prog it would be a non Prog sub-genre that includes bands THAT ARE POP but have some remote relation with Prog like AOR, which is a conservative and POP oriented evolution after the first golden era of Prog ended.

 

Iván

    
To simplify for those who spend time and energy running this site it would be impractical and not realistic to have a Pop-prog category. I will agree with Ivan that prog-related will suffice, it's human nature to want to categorize and label things in a way that will be acceptable to the majority but the quandry here is that we have a minority of artists who are difficult to peg to one category due to the eclectic nature of the music but like I mentioned above; the comitees that decide where and what categories the bands should be in do their best to cater to the majority.
    


Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 08:36
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Hey guys, lets stop this insanity, there's nothing called Pop - Prog
 
Iván
 
I disagree.  Pop music is "popular" music.  It doesn't define any particular style and has included bands as diverse as Abba and The Sex Pistols.  Just because a band write and perform in a Prog style doesn't mean that they can't have a popular hit.  OK it's rare for this to happen and it's unlikely to be a 20 min epic in 17/8 or similar but it can.
 
Many normally progressive bands have had hits with shorter songs that still include clever instrumentation and a prog feel.


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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 09:54
Nobody included It Bites or perhaps Bebop Deluxe?


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 14:33
Originally posted by Heavyfreight Heavyfreight wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Hey guys, lets stop this insanity, there's nothing called Pop - Prog
 
Iván
 
I disagree.  Pop music is "popular" music.  It doesn't define any particular style and has included bands as diverse as Abba and The Sex Pistols.  Just because a band write and perform in a Prog style doesn't mean that they can't have a popular hit.  OK it's rare for this to happen and it's unlikely to be a 20 min epic in 17/8 or similar but it can.
 
Not true Heavyfreight, POP is a short form of the world POPULAR but NOT BECAUSE all Popular music is POP BUT BECAUSE pop music is deigned to be popular.
 
If you study Logic at school or College you'll undertand it with the simplest and most common example of inference:
 
We use to call humans mortals but:
a) All humans are mortals
b) Not all mortals are humans (There are animals and other forms of luife and all are also mortal)
In the same way:
a) All POP music is popular
b) Not all popular music is POP (You have Jazz, Salsa, Rap, hip hop and even some Prog like Dark Side of the Moon)

That's the problem with using ambiguous terms, POP is a genre of music and has it's own characteristics:

  • The basic form for pop music is the song and usually a song consisting of verse and repeate chorus........
    • You have a first approach, POP music basic structure is Chorus - Verse - Chorus, a linear structure with no dramatic changes, the simplest structure possible repeating ABA (ABAB or the most challenging ABACAB with a second verse represented by C).
    • Prog music has a totally unpredictable structure, for example Symphonic Music used some times Intro - Chorus - Verse - Development (Usually a solo) - Chorus reprise - Coda, sometimes it was more complex creating 4, 5 or 6 different verses, returning from the development to the intro and then jumping to a new verse. POP REPRESENTS THE ANTITESIS OF PROG IN STRUCTURE as Keith Emerson says:

Pop songs are about repetition and riffs and simplicity. Progressive music takes a riff, turns it inside out, plays it upside down and the other way around, and explores its potential."

Keith Emerson

http://www.kvazar.deaya.com/index.html - http://www.kvazar.deaya.com/index.html   

  • Most often the songs are between 2 1/2 minutes and 5 1/2 minutes in length:  Second approach, the lenght, POP is a song (Radio hit) based song, so forget about long tracks because commercial radios won't play a 20 minutes track, not every long track is Prog but almost no longer than 3.5 minutes is POP.
  • Pop is song based, Prog is album based:  Even when most Prog albums are not conceptual, they share a common atmosphere, POP albums are a random collection of songs with no relation between them, normally POP albums are only 2 or 3 hits with 10 or 12 fillers that the fans will buy  only for the hit singles, this design is very commercial because the label ensures that the album will sell a lot in the first few months and as a consequence of the album loosing popularity as afast as it gained it, they don't need to release it again for fans and the market is ready for two more singles and 10 or 12 fillers that will ensure them a new record of sales with few royalties to pay in long terms.
  • POP is a conservative form of Rock, Prog is a challenging form of Rock: Both Prog and POP are oposite forms of Rock...... Lets take Classic Rock as the standart, bands as The Who, Mountain or Cream were too challenging for the easy listening market, people who want to listen what is fashion and dance with it, so POP is the simpler than than Classic Rock and designed to be easy accepted and to bore the public fast, you can see that Cream or The Who keep selling albums after 30 + years but nobody will buy lets say More More More by Andrea True Connection or Ma' Baker by Boney M..............Prog on the other hand is more challenging than Classic Rock, sometimes it takes years to get into an album but it keeps selling through decades,  people who like Classic Rock but want to be challenged listen Prog.
  • Pop and Prog approach to lyrics is 180° degrees different:  Lyrics in POP are as the music easy to get, dealing with sexual love or desire and daily issues, Prog lyrics tend to be much more complex and the thematic goes from Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Bothanics, Politics, Religion to even homicide and revolutions, try to make a POP song about little Cynthia beheading Little Henry and how he is returned to live trapped in a Musical Box having sexual desires for the girl and is killed by a nurse who burns the box and Old Henry LOL Neither the mother of the author would buy that thing, well it's an icon of Prog.
  • Pop is mainly vocal, Prog is mainly instrumental and the vocals normally are another instrument:  Pop music is designed to enhance the voice of a figure, the instruments are a company for the voice, solos are extremely rare and instrumentals much less, Prog is artistically designed FOR A BAND, despite the lyrics the human voice is just another instrument, more probably secondary in comparison with  keyboard and guitars, the solos are normal and the instrumentals are absolutely common.
  • Pop is essentially commercial, Prog is artistic:  POP labels design music to be liked fast and forgotten faster after having sold several millions of copies, the artist is replaceable, Prog's main interest is music as an artistic expression, the artists tend to last longer than POP one hit wonders, with this I don't say Prog artists want to starve and labels release albums for love to art but the economic success is a consequence of the quality of the music, in POP economic success is EVERYTHING and musical quality doesn't matter as long as they sell. 

Quote Although pop music continues to be a melting pot of styles, there is a genre of pop music that claims to be pop music in its purest form. This music, usually called pure pop or power pop, typically consists of relatively brief (not over 3 1/2 minutes) songs played on the standard electric guitar, bass and drums with vocals that have a very strong catchy chorus, or hook. Art is not a concern. Audience pleasure in listening to the song is the primary goal.  http://top40.about.com/od/popmusic101/a/popmusic.htm - http://top40.about.com/od/popmusic101/a/popmusic.htm

POP is designed to be POPULAR but POPULAR is not necessarilly POP and THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION BETWEEN PROG AND POP
 
Many normally progressive bands have had hits with shorter songs that still include clever instrumentation and a prog feel.
 
That's a different issue, if a Prog band releases a catchy short song, commercial radios will give them air time and for that reason will be popular much more easier, but that doesn't mean they play POP music, simply that the masses will like much usually a short catchy track than a long one.
 
Remember, POP audience likes short catchy tunes despite their quality, they listen it even if it's bad and they will listen it more if it's good
 
Iván


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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 14:43
Originally posted by Pulse Pulse wrote:

I'm suprised no one has mentioned the first two Genesis albums after Steve Hackett left. And Then There Were Three and Duke stand out as prog-pop in my mind.
 
Did you see my post :
 
 
On the Babyblaue Seite site, the best german prog site and one of the most eclecctic prog sites, they have a subgenre called 'artpop', in which they gather artists such as :
Laurie Anderson
Kate Bush
Lisa Dalbello
Rain for a day
Björk
David Bowie
The Beatles
 
See the complete list here :
 
http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/index.php?content=list&genrecont=4 - http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/index.php?content=list&genrecont=4
 
 
BTW I strongly recommend the above-mentioned german prog site "Babyblaue seiten".


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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 14:52
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Group 87, first album
 
great supergroup (bozzio, o'hearn, isham, maunu) I would call it fusion-pop, as it is entirely instrumental and the line-up features two members who used to play with Frank Zappa. it is close to Jeff Beck's 'there and back'.


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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 14:55
Mew! Thumbs Up


Posted By: Marsaphire
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 15:34
I agree that some of The Church's stuff is poppy - particularly the "Starfish" album, which the band doesn't like much, but which the general public took to more than anything else they've released).

It's also true that quite a bit of Peter Gabriel's stuff is poppy, as well. Remember "Big Time"? Good lord...Ermm


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Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 17:07
Ivan,we're 3 pages into this topic so there must be something in this.I'm sure we all would agree with you but you cant deny that it is a simpler way of defining a very grey area.All be it tongue in cheek.I know for a fact that my  teenage daughter for example would never call any of the bands or albums that have been mentioned "pop"!Wink

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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 21:58
Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

Mew! Thumbs Up
Exactly what I was thinking along with Muse's Showbiz


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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 23:09
Would you consider Led Zeppelin pop?  I think they kind of are.  They pretty much do the verse-chorus thing for their short songs and do the exact same thing with their long songs, which makes them insanely boring to me. 


Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 07:04
This is a difficult place to go me thinks!
 
Ivan, a great post that seems to cover all the bases.
 
When people are debating pop vs. prog I think of Golden Earring. GE certainly have prog elements and pop elements and out and out hard rock elements, long songs and short songs (and would possibly be more worthy of inclusion in PA than some others in prog-related ... not that I am suggesting GE should be).
 
Zeppelin also have prog elements in their work and IMHO are as "prog" as Deep Purple


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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 07:55
HOW DARE YOU by 10CC! The A-Side is brilliant!    


Posted By: mr_johnny_lee
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 15:59
A lot of Spock's Beard, particularly Snow as they are all shortish songs in comparison to the Light or V for example where there are many tracks are 15+ minutes longs. Songs such as Carie, Wind At My Back and I Will Go are pretty poppy, great nonetheless.

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Posted By: Bupie
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 03:27
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

IQ - Are You Sitting Comfortably.
 
Includes IQ's most 'poppy' songs but it all flows quite nicely and is well produced.
 
Ouf ! I thought I was the only one on earth to like (VERY MUCH) this album.
 
Coming back to the initial subject (and leaving aside the "scientific" explanations about the so-called non sense of a pop-prog label), Kino's Picture is the first album that comes to my mind when I associate the words pop and prog.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 03:51
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Group 87, first album

 

great supergroup (bozzio, o'hearn, isham, maunu) I would call it fusion-pop, as it is entirely instrumental and the line-up features two members who used to play with Frank Zappa. it is close to Jeff Beck's 'there and back'.


Sure, fusion-pop it is, but it's nothing like 'There and Back' musically. I could almost hear Group 87 on adult contemporary radio, but not There&Back.
    


Posted By: zbida
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 06:33
Some Peter Barden's solo work (Water Colors, Further Than You Know etc.)


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 16:34
Originally posted by Marsaphire Marsaphire wrote:

I agree that some of The Church's stuff is poppy - particularly the "Starfish" album, which the band doesn't like much, but which the general public took to more than anything else they've released).It's also true that quite a bit of Peter Gabriel's stuff is poppy, as well. Remember "Big Time"? Good lord...


Yes, but I like 'Big Time' because it sounds like it's about Phil Collins- very funny when you listen to it in that context.
    



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