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Topic: Hogarth singing Fish songs
Posted By: sleeper
Subject: Hogarth singing Fish songs
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 20:11
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Whilst listening to the Marillion live album Made Again I really got the sense that under no circumstances should Hogarth ever perform Kayleigh or Lavender, he really just doesnt have the style to do these two songs justice, but are there any Fish era songs that Hogarth has or could do the justice that they deserve? I get the feeling that he could do some really good renditionds of Gouing Under and Just For The Record. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 21:44
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Eh, I've never had a problem with H doing Fish material; however, I guess the further and further along I get with Marillion, the less I want to hear him doing "Kayleigh" or "Script". Some songs he does very well-- in particular "Warm Wet Circles/That Time Of The Night", "Incommunicado", or "Slainte Mhath". All (coincidentally) from Clutching At Straws. No surprise considering that the rest of the band were headed in a different direction from Fish and the sound was more like a prequel to Seasons End.
I think they will pull out the ould Fish era stuff for the conventions, but for the most part, it's all Hogarth era nowadays. Suits me fine. I'd just as soon hear a song like "Quartz", "Neverland", or "Afraid Of Sunlight" be in there over a Fish tune. E ------------- 
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 02:32
Yuk. Better they play a Fish era song rather than a song that doesn't sound like Marillion at all for the most part.  I don't mind Hogarth singing Kayleigh and Lavender that mushc, though he sings the other Fish era songs much better. One song I'm always surprised they don't play anymore is Chelsea Monday, whcih strikes me as being extremely similar to a lot of the Brave material. I still like hearing the old Marillion songs being played, so perhaps a way around Hogarth not wanting to sing certain tracks would be to play the Fish era songs as part of another swap the band competition at conventions or just open the song up for the whole audience to sing (again only the conventions) like they did with Script for a Jester's Tear on the first Wish You Were Here DVD, which was an absolutely fantastic rendition. That way we might be able to hear some more Fish era material than the handful of tracks Hogarth feels comfortable singing. As for non-convention live shows, I'm not too bothered that they don't choose to play any Fish stuff, even though it might help win some old fans back if they did. |
E-Dub wrote:Posted By: moonlitbay
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 08:31
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I've never had any problems with H singing Fish-songs, but we got to say that it's two very different voices here, and I think H will profit on doing "his own" versions of Fish-era songs.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 08:54
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<<Yuk. Better they play a Fish era song rather than a song that doesn't sound like Marillion at all for the most part.>>
Man, I love Quartz. It's probably one of my favorites from Anoraknophobia. Besides, the bands overall sound is vastly different that a song like "Quartz" fits in nicely with today's Marillion. E -------------
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Posted By: BigBoss
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 12:39
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I just could never get in to H's voice or his lyrics, vocally it sounds like he has an octave range, everything is sort of in the same place all the time, and while Fish isn't technically a great singer, he's got a lot more passion and expressiveness in his voice, and on stage he is just captivating as hell. He reminds me of Gabriel in lots of ways, and his lyrics were just more compelling. The one truly awful lyric from H that sticks in my mind is from Brave "there's nothing faster than the speed of love". ------------- Best Regards, Shawn Gordon President ProgRock Records www.progrockrecords.com www.mindawn.com |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:03
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Are you sure it's not "nothing else has ever been as hard as love" from "Hard As Love"? Doesn't sound familiar at all.
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Posted By: Benjamin_Breeg
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:14
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in "From stoke row to Ipanema" hogarth sings kaileigh pretty well but really can't reach Fish ^^
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Posted By: Martinyesman
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:18
| It's interesting that 'Chelsea Monday' is mentioned in this thread, as it's my favourite Fish era track. I'd love to hear H sing this song, as well as 'Jigsaw' and 'Childhood's End'. While Fish is technically a better singer and more charismatic performer than H, I much prefer Marillion's later output and Fish's solo material to the so-called 'classic' Marillion era. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:32
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<<While Fish is technically a better singer>>
He is? 
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:34
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<<in "From stoke row to Ipanema" hogarth sings kaileigh>>
I thought Hogarth does a good job on "Heart Of Lothian". E -------------
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Posted By: Gravity Eyelids
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:39
I agree, I don't think Fish is "technically better". H is very skilled singer. ------------- Into this wild Abyss the fiend Stood on the brink of Hell and looked a while, Pondering his Voyage. |
Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:40
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Well well well... I quite like Hogie's rendition of "Lavender", though I think that "Slainte Mhath" or "Sugar Mice" suit him better... I really DISLIKE him singing "Kayleigh" on the other hand...
I prefer to hear Hogarth-era-songs from Marillion these days, and E-Dub's right: Better "Quartz" than a fish-era-tune, those can be performed by Fish and his band, that's the right ( better ) place, for Marillion are a different band since so many years now, just count the albums from "Season's end" to "Brave", there's so many great tunes and the past is over, guys ( a fact that I, as a confessed BJH-fan, had to learn to live with, too !!! ).
Love, to those who disagree and not like H, too ! ------------- ...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock ! |
Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:41
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OOOH MISTAKE ! COUNT THE ALBUMS FROM "SEASON'S END" TO "MARBLES" WAS WHAT I WANTED TO SAY ! APOLOGIES !!!! ------------- ...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock ! |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 16:08
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I recall being on a Marillion list and somebody suggested a show where nothing was done but Fish era...and the person got lambasted. As killer as those old songs are, I know I'd be highly ticked if I went to a Marillion show and heard nothing but Fish era tunes. And as Rupert said, to hear the old songs, it would be best to check out a Fish show. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 16:09
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There's a FRC disc of H singing "Blind Curve" that sounds really good. E -------------
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 16:35
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Fish songs you say?
You mean like:
"oh, you get a line an I'll get a pole honey
You get a line and I'll get a pole, babe
oh you get a line and I'll get a pole
and we'll go down to the crawdad hole
honey, baby mine"
and
"Oh, this is the place where the fishermen gather,
In oilskins and boots and Cape Anns battened down. All sizes of figures with squid lines and jiggers, They congregate here on the squid jigging ground." or
"I don't want your maggoty fish
They're no good for winter
I can buy as good as that
Down in Bonavista"
 Wow -- didn't think ol' Hoagie had it in 'im!Good for him!
 G'wan -- heav' it addaya, b'y!
  <-- Capt. Hogarth His home.
 His studio.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 16:58
Where's the photo of your water bong?  E -------------
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 21:49
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Hogarth is not bad, but he's not Fish. Fish has become one of my prog heroes. I want to say only Marillion w/ Fish should perform Fish-era songs, but that's unreasonable. These old songs deserve exposure, but some songs that call for Fish's expressionality and tones should not be done: Script, Garden Party, Childhood's End, Lavender, etc. ------------- 
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: September 24 2006 at 04:47
Don't get me wrong it has some killer moments on it, but a lot of the time it feels like 'm listening to a cover of a Radiohead song. Thankfully they've filtered their influences much much better in Marbles. The only track I really really enjoy from Anoraknophobia is When I Meet God. |
Posted By: moonlitbay
Date Posted: September 24 2006 at 06:53
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I only wish someone could perform "Grendel" one last time......
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Posted By: Fishy
Date Posted: September 24 2006 at 07:25
7 years ago I saw Arena playing the track live (as an encore), it was a great performance. This was the only live performance of the song I ever heard. |
Posted By: hebrius
Date Posted: September 24 2006 at 08:21
I always been a MARILLION fan, since the 2nd album, 'Fugazi'. When H entered the band in 'Seasons End' I liked, but then cames the 'Holidays in Eden' and I decided: my MARILLION collection is over! I only recorded a cassete tape (do you remember what was that?). The time passes and I listened more and more that tape and... I loved it!!! At the same time they came with the wonderful 'Brave' and well, I was reconquered by them!!! Now, after all the H albuns, I need to reveal: I don't listen to the Fish era albuns anymore. They sounded so... neo prog for me (after all these years I renegate this style). I've buyed the 'Recital' DVD and couldn't get to the end... anybody here want to buy that thing???
And, btw... I loved the H renditions to the Fish era songs. The voice of Hogie is very passionate, and is much different in the hard songs to the soft ones. We can't say the same thing of Fish...
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 03:10
That's right - he is  ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 08:07
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<<That's right - he is>>
Well, you're the first person that I've ever heard say that. I'll take your word that you believe it, however. E -------------
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Posted By: unforgivable74
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 08:33
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I'm more than happy with hearing just Hogarth stuff these days with the odd 'Fish'surprise at conventions. I think the band have got it just right because it's obvious that H will never be able to do justice to Fish songs, however great a vocalist he is but the odd bit of nostalgia is always welcome. I think a more interesting slant on this topic would be: What H era songs would sound good with Fish singing them? ------------- Laughs as I clean my teeth, laughs as I rub at my eyes. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 09:07
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I always thought "The Uninvited Guest" sounded like a Fish era tune. Same goes for "Berlin".
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 12:23
| Just listen to the bonus disk from the Clutching at Straws remaster, it's pretty easy to then work out what music was written while Fish was still in the band. |
Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 13:19
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Don't get me wrong it has some killer moments on it, but a lot of the time it feels like 'm listening to a cover of a Radiohead song. Thankfully they've filtered their influences much much better in Marbles. The only track I really really enjoy from Anoraknophobia is When I Meet God. [/QUOTE] What about "This is the 21st Century" ? Or "The fruit of the wild rose" ? Or "Between you and me" ??? ------------- ...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock ! |
Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 13:30
In many respects that's exactly how I feel about it... I wasn't that a Marillion fan before, though... I never ever got into "Fugazi", for example. But I used to love "Script" from the beginning and I still love "Clutching at Straws" ( Tux on is MĚSSING on the regular album ! ).
When "Season's end" came out I think I wasn't really listening, I simlply had the false expectations, same to "Holidays", though I bought the "Noone can" single ( commercially spoiled man I am ).
It all started to change for me when "Sympathy" came out and I didn't wanna buy the single cause I didn't want Hogie singin' "Kayleigh", so I decided to buy the "Collection" to discover that, no matter how good ( great ) the old songs with Fish on it are, I preferred ALL of the later tracks with the exception of "I will walk on Water" ( still don't like that son, but it's really an exception of very few that were to come, I don't like "Born to run", and I think the ending of "Holidays" with "This Town"etc. sounds lifeless though the tunes themselves are good ! ). With that great Cver-version of "Sympathy" in mind I had the feeling that "Next there's going to e something really BIG" and I wasn't disappointed, cause "Brave" was exactly that, the Masterstroke if you want. With "Afraid of Sunlight" I got afraid they ru out of gas ( I like the fact it is extremely popular amongst fans, though, I still think it's their low-point to date cause they were so burnt out and I can hear it ) but with all the albums comin' on since then 'm very, very happy ( I think that "Made again" is not their best live-effort, though, on the other hand you get the whole "Brave" album LIVE and lots of Marillion for the money... ). I'm very excited about the yourney they're on and what is to come next, I became an addict since long and I'm glad to have seen them live on their "Brave"-Tour, never forget it though it's more than 10 years ago now ! ------------- ...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock ! |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 17:35
I was merely stating the facts - not beliefs or opinion
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 17:54
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<<I was merely stating the facts - not beliefs or opinion>>
And was this statement before or after the bong hit?
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Posted By: Gravity Eyelids
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 18:59
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^^^^
And where is that fact stated???????? ------------- Into this wild Abyss the fiend Stood on the brink of Hell and looked a while, Pondering his Voyage. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 02:49
Can you state exactly how H is technically better than Fish to back up such a facetious comment? I didn't think so ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 02:49
It is just a fact - it shouldn't need to be stated - but clearly there are people who don't know what "technically better" means
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 06:11
What about "This is the 21st Century" ? Or "The fruit of the wild rose" ? Or "Between you and me" ??? [/QUOTE]They don't really grab me like the majority of Marillion's catalogue. Map of the World is a catchy song I suppose, but I prefered it when The Las did it |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 08:52
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When you say "technically better", that means to me that Fish has more range and a richer tonal quality. Sorry, but I don't hear it in Fish's voice. Hogarth handles Fish material quite easily; however, could you imagine Fish tackling, say, "King Of Sunset Town", "Holloway Girl", "The Space", "Gazpacho", just to name a few? Fish's voice is very one dimensional. The guy makes up for it with a passion, however. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and I like his music; but, I don't think it's technically better than Hogarth's. Hell, it's not even technically better than a lot of singers out there. Then again, neither is Hogarth's.
Now, it's your turn. And take into consideration the time difference before ever thinking that I won't back up a statement of mine. E -------------
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 11:15
| No problem with me. Hogarth is one of my favourite vocalists. I can't say the same thing about Fish. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 15:34
 Oye loikes feesh!
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 15:56
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That and some malt vinegar and I'll eat enough to block a colon, PR!
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 21:11
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i cannot imagine gabriel sing ripples, and output the same artistic quality.
the same applies regarding hoggarth and fish. ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 03:23
I'm not a Hogarth fan mainly because of his lyrics, but also because of the somewhat vague and anonymous flatness of his tone(s) coupled with a kind of preciousness, the lack of passion that you identified, and the more recent tendency to assimilate Thom Yorke - like so many other vocalists. Technically, his choice of melodies tends towards the deliberately non-obvious, which is a nasty style to write in - and with notes that are close together - to make them easier to sing. This, along with other technical deficiencies in his writing make the "melodies" weaker. This is one obvious trait that is core to identifying technical "superiority". Not only does Fish veer towards less obvious melodies, but somehow he made them very catchy and singable - read natural - without sacrificing variety and quality - and here I will make my only concession to similarities with Peter Gabriel. Now "catchy" and "singable" are difficult to quantify - as are most aspects of melody. But that's a different lecture... When I reviewed "Brave" and "Marbles", the conspicuous absence of standout material was in the vocals - the melodies, such as they are, are unremarkable, and the vocal style largely innoffensive and there - but with very little technical merit. On Marbles, I did find one or two "moments" - but those were the exceptions, instead of the norm as with Fish. I don't see how you can say that Fish's voice is one dimensional though - the song "Script for a Jester's Tear" disproves that by itself. I will re-investigate the songs you name - I can't even imagine how they go, that's how catchy I found the melodies. Your statement that Fish's voice is "not even technically better than a lot of singers out there" is extremely vague - I could say with equal certainty that it is technically better than a lot of singers out there. And that includes a certain Mr Hogarth! 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 06:27
I get your cynicism. But after all I am entitled to an opinion, aren't I. That was mine, whether you like it or not. You think Fish is better than Hogarth. No problem with me.
Long live the freedom of speech. Most of you don't know what's it like not to have it.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 11:31
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Oh boy, I have a feeling this could go on for awhile. We may have to agree to disagree.
<<I'm not a Hogarth fan mainly because of his lyrics, but also because of the somewhat vague and anonymous flatness of his tone(s) coupled with a kind of preciousness, the lack of passion that you identified, and the more recent tendency to assimilate Thom Yorke - like so many other vocalists.>> You just don't like it. Nothing wrong with that; however, I feel that Hogarth's vocals tend to be less pretentious than Fish's. OK, maybe you (personally...I don't) hear a flatness, but sometimes Fish strikes me as being style over substance, in terms of his vocals. Just a bit over-the-top with the rolling of the "r's" and such. <<Not only does Fish veer towards less obvious melodies, but somehow he made them very catchy and singable - read natural - without sacrificing variety and quality - and here I will make my only concession to similarities with Peter Gabriel.>> You mean like "Kayleigh"? I think both incarnations of Marillion have exhibited a variety of song structures, ranging from the common to the uncommon; repetitious to complicated. To say that Hogarth only does this is a bit unfair. Maybe with age it's been scaled back a bit, but one could also say the same for Fish. Just listen to the Field Of Crows CD. <<When I reviewed "Brave" and "Marbles", the conspicuous absence of standout material was in the vocals - the melodies, such as they are, are unremarkable, and the vocal style largely innoffensive and there - but with very little technical merit. On Marbles, I did find one or two "moments" - but those were the exceptions, instead of the norm as with Fish.>> I think this is where I disagree with you the most. Brave (and Afraid Of Sunlight) could technically be his better performances. The big difference is that Hogarth tends to be a bit more old school rock and roll at times; whereas, Fish isn't. Does that make him technically inferior? I don't think so. Songs like "Living With The Big Lie" and "Hard As Love" aside, his performances on the title track, "Runaway" displays variety without the sacrificing of pitch or stability. <<Your statement that Fish's voice is "not even technically better than a lot of singers out there" is extremely vague - I could say with equal certainty that it is technically better than a lot of singers out there.>> We've both been vague up until now. Wouldn't you agree? You've given me reasons why you feel Hogarth is technically inferior; however, not a lot of reasons why Fish is technically superior. One must wonder if there is a biasness on...well,...both of our parts. Thing is, I like Fish (the singer...not the tasty images provided by PR. OK, I like both!), but you most definitely have a distaste for Hogarth. Actually, I should ask my wife to be the judge as this is what she does for a living (Music major with an emphasis in vocal performance). She has no allegiance to Marillion, Hogarth or Fish (maybe to me, but she loves it when I'm wrong). You pick a Fish tune that you feel exhibits vocal superiority and I'll pick an H tune that does the same and she can be an unbiased judge. E -------------
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 12:16
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For the record, I have always felt as a singer, Fish has a heck of a lot more character than Hogarth. I don't take to his lazy drawl style of singing- Fish's is far more dramatic. It's interesting that my favourite Hogarth era album I have is 'Season's End', as the spectre of Fish era Marillion still hangs heavy over that. After that album, the sound changed considerably- not so much to my own taste, if I'm honest. Whereas, the first three Fish era albums are stunning reinventions of 70s prog- whereas 'Clutching At Straws' has become one of my all time favourite albums as it's got no hangover from the 70s and is for me- and Fish too, I believe- their finest work. I have Marbles and Brave otherwise of the Hogarth era and I've found it very hard to get into both albums.
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Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 12:23
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 15:58
Huh????
 Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed... or the former Iron Curtain!
 That was not "cynicism," that was harmless idiocy, in keeping with my earlier silly post in this thread!
(You'll get used to such irreverent hijinks from me, if you stick around. A sense of humour will help.)
 I have only two Marillion albums, for the record (one from each era). Both vocalists sound fine to me.
I don't care who sings what.
And this is just a thread about music -- two lesser-known rock singers, not two world leaders or two religions, so please, calm down and don't look for offense where none is intended.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 16:29
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PR,
I almost wonder if they replied to the wrong post. I didn't see anything wrong with it. As a matter of fact, it made my friggin' mouth water like Niagra Falls. E iTunes: "She Chameleon" from Fugazi -------------
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 16:49
Cool - I've also got some qualifications in music (in case you didn't know what the "Certif1ed" stood for). I will look forward to the discussion - but let me emphasise that I am not biased by taste in this - please don't patronise me that way. I am looking purely at technique - and your wife and I will have to agree on what constitutes technique or the whole thing is a non-starter. Rock singers need to be assessed with different criteria to formally trained ones as the techniques may be used differently. It'll be good to discuss it with someone who knows what they're talking about
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 17:13
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<<and your wife and I will have to agree on what constitutes technique or the whole thing is a non-starter.>>
Then prepare yourself because I don't call her "Little Miss Can't-Be-Wrong" for nothing. <<but let me emphasise that I am not biased by taste in this>> I find that hard to believe. <<It'll be good to discuss it with someone who knows what they're talking about>> Let's not bother. Conversation took a nasty turn with the last comment; although, I'm sure my "bong hit" comment didn't help matters much, but it sure was funny!
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 17:13
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<<please don't patronise me that way>>
Oh sure because you've conducted yourself in a very respectful manner towards me.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 17:18
If so, my apologies in advance.
 I mean, how could anyone think my post was serious, or made in anger? I was just being silly with the name "Fish," obviously.
If there was a singer called "Chicken Wings," "Pizza" or "Beer," I'd be all over that thread too!
Mmmmmmmm.... chicken wings!
  Must go home for supper, soon -- these mints just ain't cuttin' it!  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 17:21
And all this time I thought it stood for "Certified loony!"  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 19:01
Hmmmm, or Kansas City BBQ!! Your post wasn't done in anger! It was done in hunger! E -------------
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 19:15
Now I'm offended! Fish = "lesser known"????????????? Fish is a cultural icon in the UK. Not only is he responsible for the naming of 1000s of "Kayleighs" currently pushing prams around our local council estates (though not responsible for the contents of said "prams" ) but he also won "Celebrity Weakest Link" and has also appeared on TV and in films (film?).
Carry on Rideout and you'll get some of this: 
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 03:29
I'm trembling already...
I can tell.
A bad comedian laughs at his own jokes... it's a well-known fact. And there was nothing nasty about the last comment - witness the little emoticon that informed you I was pulling your leg about you having to get your wife to fight your battles for you against someone you consider to be intellectually superior - for which compliment I thank you.
I have treated you with the respect you've treated me - you should respect that. But you really shouldn't accuse me of putting my taste before carefully researched facts until you know what those facts are - and since you haven't bothered asking, I've assumed you don't care.
At least Peter understands where I'm coming from
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 05:59
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<<A bad comedian laughs at his own jokes... it's a well-known fact. >>
We all laugh at ourselves. As being someone (you consider) so intellectually above me, I'd expect you to know that. <<I was pulling your leg about you having to get your wife to fight your battles for you against someone you consider to be intellectually superior>> Watch out. Those claiming to be 'intellectuals' have turned out to be some of the most painfully moronic people I've ever met. It's the humbled common man that I've always found to be the wisest. <<I have treated you with the respect you've treated me - you should respect that.>> Yeah, can't take the high road on this one. Probably should've harnessed the digits on this little exchange. Still, the 'bong' crack was pretty funny. C'mon, admit it!!
Simply put, you're the first person (and I do mean the FIRST person) that I've ever heard come out and say that this guy is technically better than that guy. Even those who clearly prefer Fish have admitted that Hogarth was probably the better singer, so you evidently possess some knowledge that's unbeknownst to me and a lot of other people. I'd bow down, but I'm late for the gym and I need to get into work early. <<At least Peter understands where I'm coming from>> Well, maybe if I knew you a bit better, I would've too. I believe this is our first exchange, however. Oh, and you've ended your sentence with a preposition, Professor.
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Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: September 30 2006 at 09:16
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 30 2006 at 19:46
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<<God is the wisest>>
EXCELLENT point, Rupert. I was speaking more of an earthly sense, but you have to give that title to the Creator. <<I really came to like you, E-Dub>> I hope you meant that in the present tense, Rupi.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: October 02 2006 at 03:31
You cannot expect me to know things - we know what we know and that's that - I would have thought that obvious. I'm not sure why you're trying to disprove that comedian statement so hard, except as an attempt to claw back a little credibility that you feel you've lost. Are you actually a comedian then? Are you saying that I should take nothing you say seriously? In case you were unaware, it's an urban myth - and that was a joke... The point about intellectual superiority is your implication, not my consideration - but you seem intent on underscoring it!
Interesting - I've often found that the "humbled common man" is a figment of the imagination of lower-grade intellectual types - who do indeed tend to be the most painfully moronic... The wisest people I've met tend to be those at their creative peak, and not from any particular class.
No - I've heard it before, and it wasn't funny then. You were saying that, because I hold a different opinion to you, for whatever reasons I have (and you didn't ask), that somehow I must be equated with someone who has consumed an unspecified quantity of narcotics - presumably with the implication that a person in such a condition is intellectually impaired to a very high degree. What is funny about insulting someone that thinks differently to you?
Maybe everyone else is too shy, or just doesn't have the technical background that I do?
I have never made claims to be an English Language Scholar.
BTW, on a much more interesting note, I heard Fish on a radio show at 2pm on Saturday, during which, in the space of half an hour (among other items on the show involving other guests), he managed to; 1. Sing a Scottish folk song a capella in an impressive basso profundo. 2. Speak in an almost perfect Cockney accent - although with less comic effect than Dick van Dyke, it has to be said. 3. Sing the Proclaimers' "Letter from America" in the style of Maurice Chevalier. 4. Improvise the lyrics from 4 further nursery rhymes into the verses of "Lavender". 5. Sing "Sweet Home Alabama" in a style that truly rivalled the original in terms of pure rock and roll punch and grit. Not that I needed any further evidence of his technical superiority... Did anyone else hear this programme - or am I the only one here that ever listens to Radio 2 of a Saturday afternoon 
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: October 02 2006 at 11:54
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<<I'm not sure why you're trying to disprove that comedian statement so hard.>>
I was? Sorry you feel that way, but you made a comment and I responded. <<except as an attempt to claw back a little credibility that you feel you've lost.>> I don't feel I've lost anything. When you get down to it, we're just a bunch of people who like prog. This site doesn't have an impact on my life or career; so, if I did lose any credibility, I'll be over it before I'm through with this sentence. <<Are you actually a comedian then?>> No, but I play one on TV. <<Are you saying that I should take nothing you say seriously?>> Not sure. How often do you want to correspond? <<The point about intellectual superiority is your implication, not my consideration - but you seem intent on underscoring it!>> Maybe that's how you see it, but I think you've made your feelings pretty clear. <<No - I've heard it before, and it wasn't funny then. You were saying that, because I hold a different opinion to you, for whatever reasons I have (and you didn't ask), that somehow I must be equated with someone who has consumed an unspecified quantity of narcotics - presumably with the implication that a person in such a condition is intellectually impaired to a very high degree.>> Not at all--I was simply joking (I thought I included a smiley). Complete misinterpretation on this. I'm sure this thread is full of them ... and on my part as well. <<What is funny about insulting someone that thinks differently to you?>> This has been a two way street. If I've insulted you, I do apologize. I'm always able to man up and take responsibility for my own actions. Some comments were deliberate, but others were misinterpreted. <<5. Sing "Sweet Home Alabama" in a style that truly rivalled the original in terms of pure rock and roll punch and grit.>> No, but I bet this was interesting to hear. E -------------
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Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: October 04 2006 at 12:09
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Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: October 04 2006 at 12:13
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I'm not a comedian but I'm trying out jokes all the time... apart from honestly believeing that anybody making jokes should think of them as being funny themselves, even be able to laugh at them ( AND HIMSELF ! ) I thought my comments were rather funny, too. Didn't wanna hurt anybody or cause a fight, PEACE, guys ! ------------- ...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock ! |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: October 04 2006 at 12:43
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Rupert,
It's good with me. Certif1ed does sound like he's got a deep background with this. I also could be confusing having a 'better singing voice' with being 'technically better' (although, after listening to The Thieving Magpie yesterday, I still find it hard to believe). At this point, I don't really concern myself with it. It's not like I'm going to put all of my Hogarth era discs up on ebay if Fish is technically better.
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Posted By: space_craft
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 20:09
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