Faith No More
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Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
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Topic: Faith No More
Posted By: KeyserSoze
Subject: Faith No More
Date Posted: October 12 2006 at 07:23
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Ok, now we have Iron Maiden in PA, why not Faith No More? Albums Angel Dust, King For A Day and Album Of The Year are progressive and they influenced many progrock bands. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/mhron/?chartstyle=artists" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 12 2006 at 09:46
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The "Iron Maiden are here so why not include ________ " is getting old quick.
Each artist is included based on their own merits,not simply because another band was added to the database. -------------  |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: October 12 2006 at 10:00
  The inclusion was made, there is no turning back, and those who are not happy with it, well, tough !!! ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
TheProgtologist wrote:Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 11:25
Well, if Arnold Schwarzenegger got Oscar award for Last Action Hero, I would ask why Dustin Hoffman didn't for Rainman. The same here. Faith No More are progressive gods compared to Iron Maiden. But I know, Dickinson listens to Genesis and King Crimson. A nice reason for including his band into PA  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/mhron/?chartstyle=artists" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 11:52
^ I also think that Faith No More might be prog related, but they'll be opposed by most "factions" here, except for the avant-garde Bungle/Zorn/Secret Chiefs freaks.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 22:40
 they should take your words of wisdom Jody put them on a plaque and make every damn new forum member memorize it. As far as Faith No More??..... hahahhahahahahahhahahahha... ahhhh.. No. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 01:42
I think you are right.
basically i think they are just boring tripe with alright basslines and overstated guitars, without any real melody, but I can see why some might consider it to be somewhat prog-related.
It would complete the Mike Patton related bands (Peeping Tom project should also be included of course, available for streaming http://www.myspace.com/peepingtomispatton - http://www.myspace.com/peepingtomispatton triphop and alternative combo, with Norah jones, so very interesting really)
so i think it's an interesting addition if only for the Patton involvement.
and regarding Elvis (next post he's introduced to the thread)check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJy-VJ6dtLY&mode=related&search=Elvis%20Presley%20conspiracy%20theory%20film%20movie%20trailer%20john%20doe%20component%20las%20vegas%20edgy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJy-VJ6dtLY&mode=related&search=Elvis%20Presley%20conspiracy%20theory%20film%20movie%20trailer%20john%20doe%20component%20las%20vegas%20edgy
my reason for becoming an Elvis fan when i was a kid, beautifull version of the Simon & Garfunkel classic. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 02:59
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Elvis really needs to be on this site. We need a King, or more aptly put, THE King  ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 05:34
King for a Day, Fool for a Lifetime is an amazing album ... I guess your statement "outs" you as a prog snob.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 11:59
It wouldn't exactly complete all of Patton's projects,there are quite a few of his that aren't here,like Tomahawk(they aren't prog,btw.). ------------- |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 12:02
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I think they are prog, at least prog-related, Since Fantômas and Mr Bungle Are Here.
You can't deny that the music has some prog elements in it.
So, Yes!
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 12:03
THE king of Prog-Metal will soon be here, that's for sure. ------------- sig |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 12:45
Just because Fantomas and Bungle are here is NOT a reason to include Faith No More!!!! FtM is TOTALLY different from those bands. ------------- |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 12:46
They have prog elements, but they're not more prog related than Iron Maiden. edit: of course I'm joking - they're actually more progressive than Iron Maiden. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 13:56
Peter Gabriel's solo material is also very different from what he did with Genesis. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 14:00
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Faith No More is/was a rap rock band injected with a little metal.
Nothing more. ------------- |
Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 18:45
I don't agree and you should give a listen to albums like King For A Day or Album Of The Year, not radio hits like Epic. Their music was progressive, they were unique and influenced many bands after. Daniel Gildenlow from Pain Of Salvation mentions them as one of his influences. That's the fact even though you hate them for whatever reason. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/mhron/?chartstyle=artists" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 18:48
Not entirely true, as evidenced on Angel Dust, that had some out of the ordinary and experimental stuff. Nowhere close to even get them in as "prog-related" though ------------- 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 18:51
I never said I hated them.Don't put words in my mouth. ------------- |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 18:56
Excuse me now? -------------
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Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 19:45
Further than Iron Maiden or Queen? I don't think so. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/mhron/?chartstyle=artists" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: October 16 2006 at 08:10
some very mixed opinions here, but will investigate. KeyserSoze could you elaborate on why this band should be included - any more info? but not coz IM are here - every band should only be considered on it own merits, not by comparison with another group !
MF
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Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 09:39
Ok, I will listen to their discography and later this week I write why I think that they deserve to be here. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/mhron/?chartstyle=artists" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 09:59
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Progressive, but only very slightly, and not enough to be included even as prog-related. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 10:07
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Faith no More are not progressive rock.
You want it all but you can't have it It's in your face but you can't grab it ------------- When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory. |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 12:03
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Person 1: Well, since Iron Maiden here, Faith No More should as well! Person 2: Well, really, what's their relation to prog?
Person 1: Give me a week, I'll listen to them and then tell you.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 12:14
 Well, looking at the band list I think it's obvious that "being progressive rock" is not a requirement. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 12:21
 ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 13:33
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Some of my favorite bands are 'prog-related'. I think we should only include bands that I will like in that category. -------------  
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 13:48
^ it's funny, but obviously you're misunderstanding him on purpose. Actually it makes much sense to argue on the basis of "X are here -> so should Y" ... most people who do so think that Y are at least as prog (or prog-related) as X. You shouldn't bash him for listening in more detail before giving detailed reasons for his opinion (I also hadn't listened to FnM for several months until I saw this thread). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 13:59
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I am not bashing anyone, Mike, I just find it funny that a person starts a case on a band, goes into an argument and then suddenly says, oh, you know, I need to listen to them a bit. No offense intended, I know many of us do it sometimes.
-- Ivan ------------- sig |
Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 09:20
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A nice humor, Trickster, really, but as Mike said, I was reacting on mystic fred's appeal for elaborating on why this band should be included and I understood it as I must write out exact reasons besides everything I wrote about them. I haven't heard any Faith No More music for months, so now I need to listen to their albums closely, one by one and write down my perceptions. No, they aren't progressive rock but their music was definitely progressive and that's what I have been saying since I started this topic. So that was no opinion change but just an explanation why I'll be silent for some days. Anything else for making a joke on it? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/mhron/?chartstyle=artists" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 09:42
KeyserSoze your admission suggestion has been passed to Admin for consideration, all suggestions are researched and any supporting info from yourself is appreciated at any stage of the procedure.
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 12:55
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this is outrageous.... go ahead, include metallica already while you're at it... I may point out that this is the first NU-METAL band I've heard.... They probably had some experimental stuff, but many metal bands have experimental sides. Led Zeppelin had, so had Black Sabbath.... they shouldn't even be prog related. ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 16:52
And Iron Maiden is nothing more than a ... heavy metal band. PA is the only prog sites to list Iron Maide as a prog band. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 16:54
^ No, not really. There has been a long discussion about Iron Maiden being added, and one of the arguments IN FAVOUR OF IT was that many others respectable prog sites list them as well. ------------- sig |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 16:57
We DO NOT list them as a prog band Lucas. They are a prog related band,and if you don't undertsand that classification you might want to read the definition for that genre. If people can add bands that were a huge influence on progressive rock why can't a band be listed that was a HUGE influence on the development of progressive metal?????????????????????????????????? ------------- |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 17:16
Many progressive metal bands take their roots in Metallica, who are not here. How do you account for that fact. They are on the following prog sites : Progressor, the german babyblaue prog site, ground and sky, Gnosis. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 17:23
I will absolutely not take part in a debate about IM and if they are prog or if they should be here.I did enough of that after they were added.I only responded to your post because you(like 99% of the people here),seem to think their inclusion means they are prog. As for Metallica,imo they are a thrash band that had a couple of borderline proggy tunes on Master of Puppets and And Justice for All.I will not deny they had an influence on prog metal,but not as much as IM. ------------- |
Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 11:37
| Perhaps a bit late on this one, but I think FNM deserve to be included as prog related because of their versatility and their majestic Angel dust, King for a day and Album of the year albums. it is true they were close to the much maligned rap-metal cliche, but quickly developed beyond it which resulted in decreasing popularity in the States. Their clever arrangements and heavy usage of keyboards also made them unique and hard to label (but close to prog). They had (mini) epics such as The real thing, Land of sunshine, King for a day, Stripsearch, Ashes to ashes, Ricochet; also some very unrap/unmetal weird songs such as the waltzing RV, the rnb Evidence and She loves me not, the gospel alike Just a man, the funky-brass Star AD, etc. Just because they are not as experimental as Mr Bungle and Fantomas (how many bands are?) doesn't mean they do not deserve to be here, bands should be judged by their own merit, right? |
Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 00:52
That's about as ignorant as saying "Yes are not prog, just listen to "'Owner Of A Lonely Heart'"
You can't judge a band by their one big hit. You have to take all their albums into consideration.
Faith No More at least belong in prog related, even if it's only because of Mike Patton's involvement. Lots of "prog related" bands are here simply because of the involvment of one or two prog musicians (or four, in Asia's case). ------------- 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 01:45
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Faith no more doesn't belong here, it was already discussed.
It's a band that has played, Rap, Funk, Heavy Metal and nothing more, maybe eclectic but this is not enough.
And the Mike Patton argument is not enough, Phil Collins was involved during the golden era of Genesis but nobody will ask to include No Jackett Required.
IMHO King for a Day, Fool for a Lifetime is probably one of the worst albums, has from love ballads to almost Heavy Metal passing by POP, Gospel, noise, etc but no Prog in the middle.
Iván
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Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 03:05
Yet we have GTR, a band that has nothing to do with prog, except for the fact that it brought Steve Hackett And Steve Howe together. -------------
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Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 11:06
Couldn't agree more, it's like pointing Another brick 2 or Invisible touch as examples for Floyd and Genesis. As for King for a day, I have to say I understand Ivan, the album is not easy to get into, it requires some long and careful listining to start to like, just like most prog albums, right?
 I don't know, IMO FNM are just as progressive as Primus or Tool, only a bit more versatile.
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 13:43
There's no point in recreating past mistakes ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 13:47
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I enjoy Fantomas, Mr. Bungle, FNM and even a little Tomahawk (although I hated Peeping Tom, his unmusical solo work and his DEP and various Zorn collaborations) from time to time, but his progressive projects ARE ALREADY LISTED HERE! If I speak at one constant volume, at one constant pitch, at one constant rhythm right into your ear, you still won't hear.. you still won't hear.. you still won't hear ;) ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 15:27
Ok ... I consider it a masterpiece. It has many progressive moments too, particularly due to the fact that Mike Patton asked Trey Spruance to play guitar on that one. Mike Patton and Trey Spruance were key members of Mr. Bungle, and both are *not* artists who sold out, like Phil Collins did (since you mentioned him above). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 09:37
| Because it IS a masterpiece! :) |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 11:49
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I agree.... FNM is very good but not prog....
Include Amorphis please? Will you? Please?  ------------- 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 12:01
And which we found (to our everlasting horror  ...) in Art Rock, from where it was immediately moved to Prog-Related. BTW, Harry, I think you have a point when you say that many of the bands or artists included in PR are only there because of their previous connections with prog. Unfortunately, this is an argument that is likely to be both endless and unproductive, because there are people who will say this is not true...  |
Posted By: akin
Date Posted: January 19 2007 at 11:06
This is not true in any way and there is no way to prove that the bands are included by their merits. Though the "merits argument" is not true, this is going to far. People doesn't know anymore what progressive rock is. Man, I have friends that have at least 5000 prog records from all ages and genres and they would laugh of a person that says Faith No More is progressive or has anything prog on their sound. "They did something experimental..." - Ok, Lou Reed did an unlistinable experimental album, Yoko Ono made some unlistenable experimental albums. Add them, they are experimental. Download this (http://music.download.com/podemicoetbola/3600-8702_32-100618426.html?tag=MDL_listing_song_artist) and then add them, as they are experimental. Add every band with three songs "experimental" or "with different time signatures". Add everything if it will satisfy you. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 19 2007 at 11:31
Doesn't matter whether somebody knows 100, 500, 1000 or 5000 records ... if they haven't listened to the FNM albums in question, they are not qualified to say anything about their prog status. Merely knowing hit songs like "Epic" and "Easy" is not enough. And for the record: Yes, I think that FNM made progressive music (on their last two albums) No, I would not add them to the archives (they simply don't fit) No, I don't think they're "unlistenable". ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: January 19 2007 at 11:57
They have 5,000 prog rock records and they work buying and selling used records, so they have already had all FNM albums, including some bootlegs you will never see in your life and listened to all of them, for sure (at least to check the quality of the records). And you contradict yourself when you say that a band made progressive music and doesn't fit in the archives. Why wouldn't they fit if they made progressive music? Probably because you think they rea lly have done progressive music. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 19 2007 at 12:17
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^ wow, why are you so negative? And you have been here for a while - the difference between Prog and progressive has been discussed a million times. John Coltrane was progressive, but not Prog Rock - Faith No More may also have been progressive, but in the wrong genre (Alt. Rock/Metal/Crossover), or or simply not progressive enough, or not for a full album. And about your record store friends: You can't listen to 5000 albums and know all about each one of them. I visit (used) record stores regularly, and the guys working there don't have much time to listen to music. Of course you get to know a lot of albums, but most of them you only look up in the internet (at least nowadays) and try to determine a good price. Ask them about their favorite song from the last two FNM albums - I wouldn't be surprised if they chose "Easy". ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: January 19 2007 at 18:59
The difference between prog and progressive is the same as the difference of etc and et cetera. The discussions were all useless because the use of progressive tern is wrong, because progressive is the name of a musical genre and to progress (in their genre, compared to their previous effort) is another thing. John Coltrane was not progressive, but he had made some progression of his own sound and of Jazz genre. Faith No More may have progressed compared to something, not were progressive. And you said progressive music, term that was adopted even in this website to point that it is not just progressive rock, but progressive metal also (and progressive folk, progressive electronic, etc, but there are few people complaining about these genres).
If they think Easy is their favorite song, it is a matter of taste. But they would surely praise the progressive bits of FNM songs because they usually like many bands that have few to do with progressive rock just because some few bits. And in the case, they are always listening to music and they don´t even have access to Internet (sometimes they ask me to get some information to them). |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 20 2007 at 06:53
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: January 20 2007 at 15:00
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 20 2007 at 19:16
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1. I don't want to offend your friends. Simply ask them what they think about the last two FNM albums and let me know - I'm really interested. 2. "Progressive" ... it really is an attribute. "Progressive Rock" is a genre. You may call me an idiot as long as you want, but I won't back down from this position. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 20 2007 at 20:17
You can add another idiot to the list because I agree with Mike's statement 100%.
progressive music (low case): An adjective that qualifies the approach of a determined artist or band from any genre towards music, that offers a different alternative to the mainstream predominant in that determined moment, for example REM, U2 (Joshua's Tree), The Who, Cranberries, Meatloaf, etc, all great artists but not related to our genre.
Progressive Rock or Prog (With high case): Thre name of a genre that was born somewhere in the late 60's that has it's own parameters (wide), determined characteristics and which started mainly blending Rock with Classical music but has evolved into something more complex accepting influences from several other genres, for example: Genesis ( 5 and 4 men), King Crimson, Jethro Tuull, Symphony X, Kansas, Magenta, etc.
Two similar terms, two different meanings.
Iván
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 20:45
| Didn´t call anybody idiot, you can use any word you want to describe artists who "progressed" in their own genre or discography, but the term progressive is really bad because it messes up with Progressive Rock and it does not mean that the band really progressed, but just "improved in one´s own opinion", since what can be a "progressive approach" for you can be a "lost of focus" or "regression" or "whatever" for others. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 22 2007 at 02:56
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^ sorry, but the ambiguity of the word "progressive" exists. It won't go away just because you don't like it ... so get used to these facts 1. "Progressive" is not the same as "Progressive Rock" 2. "progressive" does not mean "having progressed"  it bothers me too, but that's how these terms are being used today.------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: January 22 2007 at 09:46
Those are exactly the points I would have made. So, the answer is no. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |