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Topic: University of Errors
Posted By: The Wizard
Subject: University of Errors
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 17:38
Any fans of this Daevid Allen project? I've never heard them, but I was reading on them and they sound pretty cool. Any advice?

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Posted By: the icon of sin
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 20:26
Very good idea! This band are really hard to like to be honest, but for me about 5 listens to each of their albums convinced me these guys deserve their underground status.

First album...hmm...i'm no authority but try "Money Doesn't Make It". Get their version of the first Soft Machine album (referring to "Jet Propelled Photogaphs") last of all, assuming you're going for the full 4. It's less like UoE then the others (obviously) and thus takes a bit of getting used to.
 
Enjoy this unique opportunity anyway...


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 03:51
Originally posted by the icon of sin the icon of sin wrote:

Very good idea! This band are really hard to like to be honest, but for me about 5 listens to each of their albums convinced me these guys deserve their underground status.

First album...hmm...i'm no authority but try "Money Doesn't Make It".
 
 
Get their version of the first Soft Machine album (referring to "Jet Propelled Photogaphs") last of all, assuming you're going for the full 4. It's less like UoE then the others (obviously) and thus takes a bit of getting used to.
 
Enjoy this unique opportunity anyway...
 
 
Money is the one I discovered them with >> quite worthy
 
that Jet Propelled is really tough to enjoy >> I simply have not.


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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 06:12
Coincidentally on my Cuneiform Records special show tomorrow night, one track from UoE's Jet Propelled Propelled Photos is scheduled.
 
I think the main problem with the band is Allen's singing voice - limited to say the least. When he shuts up the music is more accessible.
 
BTW strictly Jet Propelled Photos was not Soft Machine's first offical album - it was a series of demo recordings not intended for general release. Eventually when the album was released without the band's permission in 1971 (5 years after its recording) it was called Rock Generation and then spread over two sides of different volumes of the Rock Generation series. When all the tracks were eventually brought together on one piece of vinyl in the late 70's, Charly Records called it From the Beginnings. The Jet Propelled title is of the 80's!  As Daevid Allen states in the liner notes his version of JPP, his intention was to re-record the demos under significantly better studio conditions than he and the rest of that line-up of the Softs suffered originally - Allen  even employed a guitarist who could play the music better than himself!


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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 06:28
I had the old 'From The Beginning' Charly album with a rubbish drawing of Soft Machine on the front (there were similar titles of other stuff Giorgio Gomelsky owned- that Jimmy Page/Brian Auger/Sonny Boy Williamson jam session, yet more repackagings of Clapton/Beck era Yardbirds). It's not bad at all, and some songs made it into 'The Moon In June'- 'That's How Much I Need You Now' definitely did, whilst others like 'Save Yourself', and a retitled 'I Should've Known' were on the debut in new versions.
Of course, 'She's Gone' and 'Memories' reappeared on the long deleted 'Triple Echo' set, imo STILL the best anthology of Soft Machine, even if I have most of it now and even what I don't is readily available.


Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 09:54
I wonder if Triple Echo will ever get a CD issue?
 
Sony/Columbia's Out-Bloody-Rageous plus the Harvest Records Machine compilation and the two Hux Records' Soft Machine BBC Radio sets, cover most of the materials found on Triple Echo - (while Graham Bennett's book Out-Bloody-Rageous provides the liner notes Wink)


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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 10:06
[QUOTE=salmacis] there were similar titles of other stuff Giorgio Gomelsky owned- QUOTE]
 
I have one of the French BYG label Rock Generation albums with Machine on one side - and on the other side  a number of mid 60's bands long gone and forgotten, e.g. the Mark Leaman Five. Giorgio Gomelsky seemed to be involved in producing these recordings, and may have been bands who were managed by him - he was the Yardbirds' manager. I also have the Rock Generation: Long John Baldry Steam Packet recording - which one obituary writer clearly had not found when writing about the late Long John Baldry, regreting no recording existed of LJB, a young Rod Stewart, Brian Auger etc. performing as Steampacket. A forgotten recording of Davey Graham (who influenced Bert Jansch, Martin Carthy, John Renbourne - hence Jimmy Page) is also hidden away in the Rock Generation series.
 


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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 10:40
Those Steampacket recordings are available in many garage stores (usually under Rod Stewart's name with a title like 'The Early Recordings'), and the writer says there were no recordings of them?

I had a vinyl album of Steampacket material with Rod Stewart credited solely. Bizarrely, it featured The Small Faces' 'Wham Bam Thank You Mam' instead of 'Good Time Girl' or some such that was listed!


Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 11:35
I once bought a University of Error album, and though a big Daevid Allen fan, I was sorely disappointed. The sound was thin, which is kind of weird for space rock, and the songs were formless and uninteresting, as far as I remember. But if you're as prolific as he is, you can't always have a winner. He's done more work with the group, so it may have gotten better.

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