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I can't wait!

 

 

 

 

NEAL MORSE: The new http://www.nealmorse.com/ - Neal Morse album will be entitled Sola Scriptura and is to be released on February 26th through Inside Out.

News on this release is still somewhat scarce, but a http://www.femforgacs.hu/news.php?nid=2246&t=Neal_Morse___Sola_Scriptura - Hungarian website revealed the tracklisting and artwork. The concept seems to deal with the reformation of the Christian belief, when Martin Luther split from the Catholic Church.
The (unconfirmed) tracklist is as follows:

 

The Passion of the Christ was not anti-semitic, was realistic, even the Jewish community accept they participated in the crucifixion of Christ.

 

But many New Born Christians are openly anti-Catholic, I won't boycott the album, simply won't buy it if I believe it's offensive to my or any religion.

 

Iván

 

Well, it was not the Catholic Reformation, it was the Lutheran or Protestant Reformation, the Catholic Reformation is called the Counter Reformation.

 

Sola Scripture means Scripture alone, in other words the absolute and literal believe in the content of the Bible.

 

That's the reason why I have never bought and won't buy a Neal Morse album, there are enough TV Evangelists shouting in the TV that my religion is wrong to support one of them.

 

Preaching is for the Church, not for the record studios.

 

Iván

 

Buying or listening preachers is for those who want in a free society.

 

Having opinions about where preaching belongs is also accepted in a free society, I don't believe Rock and preaching should be mixed because then it ceases to be art and only an instrument to indoctrinate and brainwash people who buy it for the music.

 

BTW: I always believed USA was a free society, but preching is forbidden in public schools.

 

How do you explain that?

 

Iván

 

Neither she as the mother or me as his uncle and Godfather want him listening a guy talking against my religion so I won't even introduce him to Neal Morse, but there are lots of kids non Reborn Christians that will be listening subliminal messages against the religions his fathers are entitled to teach them.

 

I would have the same opinion about a Catholic Prog Artist or a Political one.

 

Art must be free, not used as an instrument of indoctrination, if not, we're going back to the times of The German Nazis and the Stalinist USSR.

 

Iván

 

I do worry, I have a nephew in an English speaking country who listens rap and he's starting to call his sister bitch and having problems in school.

 

Most surely it's not the only cause, but the subliminal message of Gangsta rappers is already affecting him, the same goes with any message, if a kid listens that what the Catholic Church teaches him is wrong, he will receive part of his message and that IMHO is incorrect because we are entitled to transmit our Religion (Whicjh is part of our inheritance) to our kids.

 

Iván

 

 

I don't want to mess around in this thread, I'm just too inappropiate a person for this kind of topic, but just a question, becasue you're very intelligent and I would like to know your opinion: you transmit your religion to your kids.... but then, later on, as teens or even later, are you ready to accept the fact if they freely, by personal choice, decide not to be part of any cult or religion or even become atheists? What do you think about this? I'd like to hear your point.  

 

 

 

 

If they are old enough to unsderstand what they are choosing, I have no alternative but to accept their choice, respect their faith and consider that I done a good job allowing them to take a rational and/or faithful choice.

 

Of course if it's a brainwashing cult as the Davidians or Messiahnic ones as the children of Charles Manson, I will do whatever is in my power  to take them away because this fanatics take the free will from the person, the most precious gift that God, Jehowa, Alah, Buddha or whatever name you chose, gave to a human. 

 

But when they are too young to take that option, my obligation is to transmit our beliefs, family values and their inheritance, but giving them the education enough to understand what they are doing. I don't believe God appreciates blind followers.

 

My parents are both Catholics but after a period of Agnosticism (rebelion in a Catholic school) I became a concious Catholic when I studied theology in the University, my parents never forced me to take a decision, they gave me the education and freedom to take my choice, of course they are happier with me being a Catholic but I decided to be one by own decision.

 

I believe that my Religion is the truth but I'm sure that God appreciates a moral Jewish, Christian (Not Catholic), Orthodox, Moslem, Buddhist or even Agnostic and Atheist than a false Catholic fanatic.

 

Iván

 

Thank you, and I think that's the right thing to do. Pass on your knowledge and beliefs, but also give them the tools they need to make their OWN choices.

 

just two final points (it's late, ), one, the state doesn't want to appear to be endorsing any particular cult over another, that's why the ban was set; two, parents have the freedom to enroll their children in private, catholic or christian or budhist or any scholl they want, is just the public schools that don't allow religion-classes, as you know. So the freedom is there to choose. And there's also freedom for parents to get into their children lives and try to keep them away from NWA or stuff like that. If a kid gets ahold of one of those, is not his fault or society's fault, is his parents' fault.

 

But about the apology of crime part: in my country it's illegal, too. And I, as I said, OPPOSE THAT. ANY expression of the self has to be allowed.... it is in the power of the public to disregard it as utter crap or elevate it to higher altars of popularity.... but it has to be a CHOICE BY THE PEOPLE, NOT BY THE STATE.

 

US contradictory? YOU BET! Here they almost collapse when a niple showed up and you can't see not even a breast in networks (non cable) but kids start having sex I think in kindergarten (well, that's too much).... but believe me, our countries are no paradise, too. I come from one, just north of yours.

 

I may sound anarchist, apollogetic of chaos and disorder, but maybe in a way, I am. FREEDOM ABOVE ALL.

One only point, you and me are capable of knowing this is crap designed to sell, but minors take what their idols say in a different way, this rapper is cool, if they want to be cool they will try to emulate him.

 

Violence has to be stopped IMHO, I believe in freedom, but there are limits for everything.

 

 

Iván

 

(By the way, Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ was a fantastic film and completely faithful to the Christian scriptures. If this film is anti-semtic, you may as well say that the Christian Bible is anti-semitic).  

 

 

Hey, i'm not against any religion, it's a joke. If it was a concept album about any other religion then I  would find it just as ridiculous.

 

This post has made my point more than all the quotes, if a free forum considers some lyrics offensive, why shouldn't society ban them equally?

 

The thread went this way because I mentioned that intolerant or propáganda lyrics are not the best option for art, somebody implied that sensationalist lawyers create this false morality about Rap.

 

The reason Rap is always the target of moralising news pundits and sensationalists lawyers is because of it's popularity with the mainstream.

 

Seems by the quoted post that not only sensationalist lawyers have something against Gangsta Rap lyrics, they are offensive "per se" and we're not talking about a false morality.

 

I apologized for the quotes in the moment I quoted them, but if somebody says lyrics are harmless I need to prove why I disagree and what better way than to copy and paste the "harmless" lyrics without adding a single word.

 

I find them offensive of course and said it from the start, I agree with them being delete, but without quoting them in the first place, it was impossible to prove that the message involved in songs can be dangerous, violent and offensive.

 

Iván

 

 

This forum is private property; it's like a tv network that decides not to broadcast a program, it's the network's choice; if every citizen personally chooses not to listen rap music, that would be heaven, great, a wonder of wonders. BUT NO STATE OR EVEN LESS, ORGANIZED RELIGION, I don't want them telling me what to choose from.... give the choices, give people the choices, they'll choose what they want, we ARE NO SHEEPS. Or, well, as in religion, maybe there are some that want us to be sheep. We can make our own minds. Of course children can't; so let's control the distribution of such "music" (there's no music to be found there) and, better yet, let's educate our children better. PARENTS should educate children, not SOCIETY. It's like the battle against drugs: the "punitive" school of thought thinks the best solution is to punish, to avoid future recurrence; how disastrous results have been! You have to TEACH, EDUCATE, NOT PUT IN A CAGE. That's the best weapon against such disgusting manifestation of, well, I don't know what rap is. But I prefer to live in a society where such an atrocity CAN EXIST, that one where "moral authorities" tell me what to do, how to do it, when to do it. That would be living 1984 all over again, but this time not because of a communist party (Ingsoc) but a religious organization.

 

I can appreciate that Morse's religious belief's can lead to such an overlap, but if the discussion continues to stray from the specific piece of news announced here, the thread will be closed with an invitation to start/continue the discussion in the appropriate section.

 

By the way, Jody's actions were spot on, we have our own set of standards and rules for the forum. I appreciate that the lyrics were quoted in support of a discussion point, but that does not make them any less offensive.

 

Cheers.