Who would you remove ?
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Topic: Who would you remove ?
Posted By: Thyme Traveler
Subject: Who would you remove ?
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 14:44
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Hypothetically... You save BOTH Proglucky and mailto:M@xs - M@x's life. In addition to the generous $$$ they hand you, they offer you the chance to remove 5 "prog-related" bands of your choosing without argument from them or the administration team. Which 5 bands which you don't think belong here get the boot ?
my 5:
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 14:50
How dare you suggest getting rid of Kate Bush?  She's not a band anyway. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:37
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Dunno, but probably put The Who IN the archives..
Remove Kate Bush!!!? Insanity! How dare you!! 
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:43
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Remove APP? Is you nuts? ------------- Beauty will save the world. 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 20:13
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1. Led Zeppelin
2. Deep Purple
3. Rainbow
4. Queen
5. Primus
6. The T (I'd have to remove myself in order to avoid being murdered)  ------------- 
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 20:18
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The T said something I agree with :shocksmileyinsizeseven:
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 22:38
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We are all humans, after all.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 22:46
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People who are always complaining about a small percentage of the site's content. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Unix
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 22:53
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hmm... 1. Queen 2. Iron Maiden (I love them, but I just can't see why they're prog related) 3. Triumph 4. Primus 5. Styx ------------- |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 03:05
 and i would remove Mars Volta from the planet...  ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
bhikkhu wrote:Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 03:12
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hmmm.... prog related.. including prog metal....  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 03:26
| Same here. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 03:46
IMO they're not prog related, they're progressive metal. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 05:40
Oh joy, another thread about removing bands already here.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 05:58
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I would remove...... NOBODY!  They have all been fitted in with good enough reasons and I doubt anything we can do will change it, and I don't mind the way it is we all have to live with it! |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 06:00
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^
That's actually quite correct |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 06:02
APP is very gentle but really deserves to be here as prog-related, at least for the first three albums. Plus there's an historical connexion with PF. But of course, he did pure crap since the 80's, but as Genesis, Yes did. BTW, here's a picture of APP's drummer: 
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 06:02
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Yes. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 06:07
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Wouldn't mind everything and everyone suggested so far being removed, except Kate Bush. Deserves a special mention: Nightwish, Blackmore's Night, Trans Siberian Orchestra and Lacrimosa. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 06:13
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Yes, APP and Mars Volta can also stay. And Queen i guess + I don't really know who GTR are.
------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 07:34
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Queen
..and if they were let back on afterwards then
Queen
etc
etc
etc
and if they come back a sixth time....
...then I'll leave!
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 07:46
yes, without laughing! ------------- 
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 08:31
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i would remove some wacky collaborators
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 08:35
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 08:43
hahahhaha.... that goes without saying.. it would totally blow the picture of you that we all know and love. http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=177 - http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=177 ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Komodo dragon
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 09:26
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Remove Bijelo Dugme! Please !!!! In bunch of ex-Yugoslavian bend's they are only burden!!! |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 10:04
Ok ... umm ..... what? 
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Posted By: Komodo dragon
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 11:45
Many people in this country regard Bijelo Dugme very alternative pop and call them Shepard-rock! Bijelo Dugme prog related! They laught such a thing! |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 12:50
I was referring to the second sentence in your original post. I didn't understand it at all. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Komodo dragon
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 17:01
I know my english is wery bad. I am sorry !!!
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 17:40
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^ are you Borat?
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Posted By: Komodo dragon
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 18:03
 Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!  |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 23:59
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I would remove any & all bands that less than 100 people in the whole world have actually heard & listened to. WHoa, there goes a whack of obscure crap  At least with, say ,Triumph & Alan Parsons Project, there more than a few folks that can discuss whether they're great / good/ bad / horrendous because they've actually heard them. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 05:14
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Personally, I wouldn't remove anything, or almost anything (I have very serious doubts about Triumph, for instance, but I'm not one to start whining about bands whose presence I don't agree with). What I would do, instead of removing bands, would be to give the whole category of Prog-Related a different, more consistent direction: that is, create two subcategories, one for bands who have influenced some subgenre of Prog (as in the case of Iron Maiden for Prog-Metal), another for bands who were directly influenced by Prog (like Led Zeppelin or Muse). Then, I'd stop the influx of unknown or nearly unknown bands into the category - if an obscure band submitted to a team for evaluation is not prog enough for addition to the database, it should simply NOT be added. Of course, my two eurocents as always.... |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 05:41
Sorry, I just can't help it. That's the dumbest and most ignorant thing I've read in a very long time! ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 09:52
Yeah, we definitely wouldn't want to discover anything new.
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Posted By: kazansky
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 09:56
i'd rather remove anyone who keep complaining with the bands we already have here 
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Posted By: The Lost Chord
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:37
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the "prog related" catagory needs to either begin making sense, or just remove everyone in it :) -------------  "Only the sun knew why"
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 16:45
APP IS PROG... And they don't go eliminates to you in no way!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 16:54
No feckin' way. Whether you like it or not, their 70's albums are prog. Their 80's albums are pop-rock (sounds familiar? Genesis anyone?) even in the 80's they were quite eclectic (and provocative!), experimenting with different styles and different forms of folk music of former Yugoslav republics. Their Shepherd's rock tag, along with wide popularity and the fact they influenced 1000s of empty headed imitators not related to prog or common sense is simply irrelevant. ------------- |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 17:00
I would remove Queen to art rock, and Iron Maiden to proto-prog (that's making sense if you think about it) George Michael and Queen: Five Live is not THAT horrible; it's even somewhat artsy-fartsy. Why would anyone want to remove Kate? I wouldn't remove anything, not even Tool. ------------- |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 17:04
this with emphasis ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 23:04
no, because the time is at least ten years too late. ProtoProg must have been recorded prior to 1969 to qualify as the music that led to prog. |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 04:40
Don't you see? Iron Maiden existed then IN SPIRIT. ...And in the form of whatever the crap Ritchie Blackmore was doing at the time (when was that "Hush" recorded?). ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 04:46
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funny you should mention that.. little known fact:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Maiden_%28doom_band%29 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Maiden_%28doom_band%29 1964 Essex acoustic band which became early Doom rock called Iron Maiden.. debut album 'Maiden Voyage', 1970. |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 04:59
they are probably fewer than new people registering in PA cause they see in here bands like Iron Maiden, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin, is that right? ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 05:10
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Nightwish.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 12:04
Well, that is a big reason for the proto, and related categories. They bring more people in. That is not such a bad thing either. Some new prog lovers might be created along the way. I came here on a search for progressive music that I hadn't heard. So, the bands in question didn't turn me away. I found what I was looking for, and much more. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 12:09
I was listening to Nightwish the other day, I would also like to see them removed or put in Prog Related. They are as Progressive as Epica and Edenbridge. Pure Symphonic Metal.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 12:13
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All of Indo prog....possibly Zeuhl, maybe Krautrock. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: MusicForSpeedin
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 16:14
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I would remove primus and place then in the RIO/Avant section.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 18:56
While we're at it, let's also get rid of Neo, Folk, RIO, RPI, Art, Metal, and Fusion. Oh, and especially Symphonic. Wow is that stuff pompous and irritating.
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 19:05
I kinda agree with you on this. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 27 2007 at 08:43
Nightwish are in the archives????
Goody - more 1-star reviews from me, then...
I would like to remove anybody who wants to remove anybody.  ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 27 2007 at 09:44
There's still Therion ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 28 2007 at 13:50
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^Line 'em up... ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 30 2007 at 12:01
 No, really, you know the band that should be removed. 14 Minutes of Repetition, you know...Why name names?
(they are not in any other prog-site)...I agree that Nightwish is not prog, but they're cool.
But Therion, you b*****d! ..... I'd remove anybody that speaks up against the New York Greats.....
...Yes, let the Dictatorship of the T'ariat begin! I'll start a purge of unknown proportions... This site would be reduced to 500 bands at the most.... All of them approved by yours truly.... (man I rerally need to get me my own website... where democracy would have a place...aftter I dictate it, of course
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: May 02 2007 at 20:06
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I say we remove King Crimson. Then we could have an open debate as to who really initiated the prog era, namely Klaatu or maybe John Coltrane with A Love Supreme (hey, 4 songs as part of a suite, it's got prog written all over it)
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 03 2007 at 02:54
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^That sounds fair - after all, Fripp is famous for denying any Prog Rock links. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 05 2007 at 10:59
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We could also remove Genesis on those grounds. Banks, Collins and Rutherford never considered Genesis prog!
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 05 2007 at 13:34
Yeah, and with those three driving Genesis, they weren't prog! ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 05 2007 at 13:46
Indeed but I think Banks distanced himself from the 'prog thing' around the Wind & Wuthering time. Shape of things to come, I guess. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 05 2007 at 17:17
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Actually, the little winkie was meant to convey a little side-swipe at popular opinion. ATTWT isn't bad - a bit regurgitated, but Duke is a great Prog album, IMHO, and even Abacab has stuff that's a bit proggy.
I can't say what Banks thought, but his keyboard playing on Duke is among his most bombastic and flambouyant. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: May 08 2007 at 19:05
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I would like to have Green Jelly removed. Their debut album was nothing but juvenile cartoonish humour that was augmented by reprocessed rock riffs that made one smile once you figured out that they weren't anti-meat activists when they sang The Three Little Pigs. That & I wold like removed all those who strt inane & barely disguised Phil Collins / 80s Genesis / Dream Theater / Classis Rock hate threds for no apparent gud reason. And I need a new speel checkr. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 17:47
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Oh, and the people who get upset over inclusion in the prog-related category. In for a penny, in for a pound. Once you start comparisons, you can't deny some if others are in already ... hint hint hint
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: May 22 2007 at 14:40
Very good advice, gentlemen. |
Posted By: Firefly
Date Posted: May 23 2007 at 10:05
They are?
 Never thought of them that way.
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Posted By: Roskisdyykkari
Date Posted: May 23 2007 at 13:59
In my opinion Iron Maiden is a perfect example of a "prog related" band. Iron Maiden's Steve Harris is influenced by such bands as Genesis, Yes, Jethro Tull, ELP, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, Pink Floyd etc, and you can definitely hear that when you're listening to certain Iron Maiden songs. For example, Phantom of the Opera, Prodigal Son, To tame a land, The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Alexander the Great, Seventh son of a Seventh Son, Sign of the Cross, Dance Of Death, The Legacy and many other songs are very progressive. And I wouldn't remove any prog-related band from PA. Although I don't understand why there are so many jazz fusion bands in here... Some of them sound very progressive though. ------------- And the sand-castle virtues are all swept away in the tidal destruction the moral melee. |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: May 28 2007 at 07:37
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Led Zeppelin Rainbow Deep Purple Rainbow BOC Iron Maiden Savatage Anathema (for the looks of it:)Metallica and... Experimental/Post Rock
Progressive Electronic
why am i here, again?  ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: May 29 2007 at 18:19
I agree. Kate Bush can never leave PA.
The Doors, Led Zep, and APP have to go. Queen can stay because they were the most consistent and most enduring classic rock band to form in the 70s, aside from Rush and Aerosmith (Classic Rock, Not Prog Rock)
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 29 2007 at 19:34
I would remove all the 70's bands completely. Half of them were never prog in the first place and the other half went adrift sometime in the 80's. Then everyone else I'd move into prog-related, except prog-metal, which I'd merge with symphonic-prog and rename as power-prog. Any ejected band that wanted to get back in should be forced to produce a brand new prog album now, from scratch and not by re-hashing old material and tired concepts, and when they fail I'd put them into pronto-prog.
 of course all this would be a diversionary tactic that would allow Interpol (now renamed Interprog) time to catch the miscreants who where putting PA Admin team in this life threatening situation.
the end. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 11:59
| I'd remove the entire Proto-Prog and Prog Related categories if I could. And divide Prog Metal into several subgenres. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 13:22
that's been done already - it's called http://www.metal-archives.com/ - The Metal Archives ------------- What? |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 13:32
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I still insist that Green Jelly do not belong here. Their album Cereal Killer is an insult to all grain related food by products. P.S. Oh, & I'd get rid of all the subgenres & set up a more simple division - Prog , not-Prog. That way we could include non-prog bands in their own section without going through the trolling attacks as to why King Crimson are not prog, but Uriah Heep are. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 14:10
You have not heard the soundtrack for "maximum Carnage", a marvel-comics videogame with music by that amazing band..... Green Jelly deserves a spot here...
...... I'd remove King Crimson. I think their prog affiliation is ambiguous at best. Actually, if you take all the prog elements out of their songs, you have pretty normal... songs.
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 17:46
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Didn't we agree at some point that there would be a lot more rest if we just removed The T?
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 17:53
grrrrrr ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 17:59
Thank you! What the f**k are Nightwish doing on this sight anyway? We do want people do take us somewhat seriously. -------------  
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 19:03
congrats on the promotion easy answer to me... led 'frickin' zeppelin... or better yet.... the damned DOORS!!!! hahahha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 19:43
Actually, I don't care if I'm taken seriously. I would like to be taken out for supper though. La Cave A Pape on your tab, with just my family & 120 close friends. "Table D'Hote" SVP, & bring us your most bountiful wine oh tood sweet! ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 21:11
I would only ask you, I don't get this paranoia.... Taken seriously BY WHOM?!
Though in this case I agree, Nightwish is not too proggy, and Trans Siberian Orchestra is probably the best cheese factory outside of Switzerland. Actually, when I heard their work-over (musical murder) of Beethoven, it smelled like Rochefort...
Now, someone mentioned The Doors here... Just one word, or face:
(By the way, I was JOKING about King Crimson... my mind works in mysterious ways but I'm not ready for the straightjacket yet.... )-------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 21:24
last time I looked this was Prog Archives and they weren't even related.. or were they... wasn't prog an effort to get AWAY from stuff like the Doors were doing.. .or is THAT why they were included here. hahhahah.. I saw the logic I guess.. with Zeppelin... but still see no reason on earth why the Doors are here. Oh well.... we fight them were we can... and the chips fall where they fall I guess. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 21:29
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I was bothered by the Doors inclusion as well.. I guess the reasoning is that they 'progressed rock' through Manzarek's pseudo-classical lines, and the group's impact on psychedelia, an important precursor to prog. At least that's what I tell myself
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 21:39
thin... very thin indeed hahhahh they were too busy being known as a 'one man riot waiting to happen'
to have had any influence at all on what was to be
prog. That said...I love their stuff... Strange
Days is one of my absolute FAVORITES from that era. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 21:43
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they were a pop band, let's face it
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 21:54
interesting... I think you could say that is indeed what they were. The focus was never the music.. but the lyrics... they wrote songs to for mass consumption.. for the charts. Take Jefferson Airplanes reaction when RCA wanted to to follow the success of Surrealistic Pillow and it's radio hits... they recorded After Bathing at Baxters hahahhahaha Find me a radio hit on that . They (though not prog in my book) were artists not a damn pop group.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: June 04 2007 at 16:16
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1. The Doors
2. Iron Maiden 3. Deep Purple 4. Led Zeppelin 5. Split Enz This is a Prog site. The additions in the past year or so are WAAAY out of control. |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 00:10
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^ I can't agree with you on your first four options - they were not added as Prog, so nothing changed about what this site defines as Prog. The reactions, however, were indeed out of control - discrediting many members' capacity to understand and accept.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 03:41
| I can't believe this thread is still active! |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 03:50
did you know that back then, the English press had Doors for gothic rock?!?! ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Kid-A
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 17:54
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The Doors
The Beatles (all except Sergeant Peppers if that was possible)
Led Zeppelin
Iron Maiden
Queen ------------- 
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Posted By: Tommy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 18:27
| I think that Genesis should be considered two different bands, ie. Genesis 69-77 and Genesis 80-present. The Genesis 80 -presesmt should be removed! |
Posted By: Birdman
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 18:51
------------- Et je ferme les yeux Puis je croise les doigts Pour empêcher Les souvenirs de fuir. (KERMESS - Atome d'existence) |
Posted By: Tommy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 20:51
| RUSH like Genesis should be removed. What is prog about anything they've done since 1980. They became a cheesy straight forward rock/synth band. Duran Duran were much better at it! |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 21:07
Yes, let's remove all bands who put out at least one album of music that some of us consider to not be prog. Here's the starting list to which you may add : King Crimson - the 80s; Yes - the first album & the 80s, Jethro Tull - blues based debut , Gentle Giant - Civilian, Harmonium - francophone America clone on debut , Kansas - AOR drivel albums 7 -9, Moody Blues - R & B debut & 90s pop tunes, Pink Floyd - Psychedelia debut, Marillion & neo in general - pop prog, Camel & PFM & Le Orme & many others - pop period ... etc etc . I say we quote Sonic Youth & kill our idols. WHoa, wait my idol is already dead, Bon come back , I gotta do my part !!! Allow your mind to progress, allow your music to progress; but I digress .... ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Tommy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 21:15
That 's the trouble, Rush 's & Geneisis's music didn't progress, it regressed. Remove Genesis & Rush 80's to present!
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 21:23
Regression means going back to your past. Rush & Genesis had never put out that sort of music before, so, ergo, they progressed; grosso moddo, they forged ahead; i.e. they moved on ; you should too Problem removed ! ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Tommy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:33
They hadn't but other bands did. They saw bands like Ultravox. Human League, Duran Duran making a quick buck and wanted some of the action. They were no longer prog bands and shouldn't be discussed on this forum as such. Remove 'em I say!
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:49
Kinda funny how you can "sell-out" after you've made a mint. But then being a music idol has its' responsabilities ... like never changing your music because your fans are too stoned to remember where they put your previous albums, so you have to re-write the same stuff over & over again, so they can buy it over & over again & hopefully remember where they put the new album that they just bought. And don't dare insinuate that you're trying to keep it fresh for you ... fresh is what clean underwear are for. If 1 & a half tracks is what you recorded my favourite album on, it's heresy if you move on to stereo. And by god, every band with integrity knows that to preserve that integrity you have to make sure you never sell enough albums so that your fans end up not being the only ones who "get" them, that would be hell on earth artistically. Even better if you can keep putting out albums that no one buys, then they can become collectibles when fools have bought every other obscure album that they could put their hands on. To push it to its' utter perfect end, just name the band, provide a short arrogant description of the musical masterpiece that you would put out if it wasn't below your dignity to dirty yourself with such crass earthly sinful activity as actually putting your weinie on the chopping block & seeing what other people think of your "compositions". Then, once you start getting fans who hate being proven right about your music being good, go out on tour & talk about how life is actually pretty good now that your music is getting recognised. Of course, don't mention the 300 gigs a year that you did for 5 years. We don't want to hear that you actually worked for it. And most of all, remember - you the musician don't count. We, the music listener, can do just fine without your music, or anyone else's music for that matter. Oh wait, then we'd be able to think about all this & see the inherent qualities of a troll scoping out his out of reach outside world of reality. Mellow out , man ! We mean it ! Nasty inanities are in abundance. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: June 06 2007 at 03:33
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Many of the bands named in this thread tend to be listed in the proto prog or prog related categories.
If you check the definitions for these genres, you'll see that we're not saying they are prog. They are there to help people to discover prog.
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