A Passion Play vs...
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Topic: A Passion Play vs...
Posted By: The Whistler
Subject: A Passion Play vs...
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 02:11
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Right. Everyone compares Thick and Play. I don't. That's stupid. You don't compare a rampaging force of nature to a leaky faucet; you don't compare other albums to Thick, that's suicide (unless said album is Quadropheania, but that's another poll).
So, what to compare Play to? Why, to Warchild of course! THAT'S suicide! Warchild is usually considered a throwaway album. I, however, find it to be much more diverse and original than Play, and it contains "Skating Away," the greatest song ever written.
True, Play flows better (and there's more hares), but what's it got? The Overseer Overture? Nice, but not nice enough. Sealions rock. I rest my case. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 02:14
| Sorry, Passion gets my vote over Warchild (Warchild IS a throw-away album...) |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 02:17
| Warchild for me |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 02:20
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....dude |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 02:20
Of course Warchild is a throwaway album, just like Trilogy, Houses of the Holy, and Magical Mystery Tour are throw away albums  ..but they still completely rule anything else in the house and you miss some great music without 'em.
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 02:40
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Houses of the Holy isn't throwaway...sniff..."they sh-show no quar-ar-ter!" Sniff. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: proggy
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 08:45
| War Child is much better. The Night Cap is better than both of them. The Night Cap should have been A Passion Play. |
Posted By: MattiR
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 08:49
| "A Passion Play". IMO "Warchild" is simply a failure... |
Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 10:21
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Although Warchild isn't GREAT, it still has something that Passion doesn't - Interesting moments!!! ------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 10:25
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Passion Play is the best thing Tull ever did! Meanwhile, Warchild was either the worst or second-worse thing to come out of Tull's 70's (I don't have Too Old to Rock n Roll). No contest, Passion Play by a couple of miles!
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 10:40
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A Passion Play is an insane piece of art, with crazy Moogs, Hammonds and stuff. And those saxophones! And those insane time signatures!! APP is not better than brilliant TAAB, but if you compare just a complexity of time signatures, TAAB (or any other Tullie) sounds like Def Leppard minus one drummer's leg. ...And those guitar chords! And those...other guitar chords! And that bloody hare! War Child is one of the worst Tull's albums from the 70's. Therefore, it's better than anything Floyd or Yes ever did.  ------------- |
Posted By: Draconean
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 11:37
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APP (by far). Although I certainly do not like "The Story ...", but there is still 40 minutes of brilliant music left on this album.
I consider Warchild Tull's worst 70's album. In fact it still puzzles me how it's possible that these two albums are so different from each other (APP released in 1973, Warchild released in 1974). ------------- I'm running still, I shall until, one day I hope that I'll arrive |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 12:01
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A Passion Play ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 12:03
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i haven't heard Warchild so i'm voting for... for Wurdah Itah. yep ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 12:05
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APP
Warchild is average by comparison ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 21:11
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I mounted a spirited defence of APP on TUZVIHAR's 'The Hare who Lost his Spectacles' thread when some of the perrenial APP knockers could not resist the opportunity to again bag APP - all a matter of opinion of course.
So, for me it goes withuot saying - APP - one of Tulls best works imho. [Unfortunately the debate on TUZVIHAR's thread has stifled responses to the question about 'The Hare.......' Interested parties , feel free to make further contributions]. ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 21:40
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APP is Tull's best album. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: sircosick
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 22:47
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Both are dissapointing, dear Whistler... maybe because they were released between two masterpieces: Thick as a Brick and Minstrel in the Gallery. Anyway, if my polls dislike you, just stay away... and if you think that I'm stupid for comparing TAAB with APP, then you're a Tull's pseudo-fan (moreover if you say "Skating away, the best song ever written"..... huh...... what can I say.....) |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 22:50
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both are pretty good. What it really comes down to is Sealion 2 vs. Hare, and Sealion 2 wins. But that's not on the original LP and I like APP better, so Passion Play. -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 01:02
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All you Passion Play fans.
You would rather a toilet flush,
than a commercial reconciliation?
That IS a loaded question. ------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 01:13
Points to be considered:
1) I totally agree with your first point, Thick and Minstrel are better than Play and Warchild.
2) Thick is always compared to Play for obvious reasons. I just wanted to toss out another angle. Because I'm an ass. End of story.
3) When I said that it was stupid to compare Thick with any other album, I was just talking from a highly personal point of view (i.e., I don't believe anyone here thinks as highly of the mighty Quad as I do, but you can all go jump in the nearest large body of water). Additionally, I don't think you're stupid for comparing apples to oranges there. I'm sure you're a great guy (albiet a tad sensitive mayhap).
4) Okay, maybe Skating's not the GREATEST song ever written, but that in and of itself is a pointless question because it's far too vauge and contantly debatable (but it's "Can't Hurry Love" by the Supremes. Think about it). Anyway, Skating is mighty fine though...
Don't go too far Witchwoody; you're next... ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
sircosick wrote:Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 01:16
Ugh! Why does everyone think that Warchild is the commercial album? It's totally not! At all! In any way! Passion Play is the sell out! I think... ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 01:21
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Passion IS a sell out.
Warchild is an attempt to reconsile that. ------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 01:29
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Yes, because Passion Play sounds like everything around it. Yes and ELP. Not that I have anything those dudes, but I like Jethro Ian because he was always a little different than the pack. Passion Play killed that. Sniff.
And Bungle is STILL a tricky orchestral rock song with a flute and sound effects regardless of what the radio believes. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 01:58
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Yeh, Warchild has some good pieces. Bungle and Skating Away are the Best. Sealion is good , but I think it shines more on Nightcap. It is more commercial, but sh*t loads better than the pointless and uninteresting "Play". ------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 02:12
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Warchild is no more commercial than any of Tull's other crap. Which, okay, might be more commercial than, say, Van Der Graafers dropping lightbulbs as percussion. But still... ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 02:52
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You see, at least "commercial "makes an attempt to APPEAL to people.
I hate to be on the side of defending Com Pop, but here (1974) it makes a point..
Passion is an unabashed, unashamed, pompous abuse of the musically uneducated. This rape of the public ear is ONE of the greatest catalysts in the oncoming punk philosophy.
ie- musical self indulgence (masterbation), to the enth degree, WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
Warchild, was the result of the smacking of Ian's sticky hand, and bringing him back to reality.
Two fingers to you.  ------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: pero
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 04:12
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What a joke!
Passion play by mile!
I just bougt remaster CD, and in booklet Anderson said that Passion play is their best, but the fans were dissapointed because they wanted another Aqualung.
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 15:11
Okay, yes for self indulgence and masturbation...agreed 100 %. But abuse of the musically uneducated?!? That statetement is not narrow-minded or harsh...it's simply rubbish. ------------- |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 15:18
| Hard to say, neither are really first flight, imho. I would say that 'War Child' is at least less excessive than APP so that gets my vote, but it's 'not bad' rather than 'great' as I find so many of the songs to be insubstantial, something the remaster has not really done anything to change my mind about. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 16:53
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Both are far from being my favorites, but PP is probaby my least favorite Tull album. So Warchild.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 17:04
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[QUOTE=clarke2001] [QUOTE=Witchwoodhermit]You see, at least "commercial "makes an attempt to APPEAL to people.
I hate to be on the side of defending Com Pop, but here (1974) it makes a point..
Passion is an unabashed, unashamed, pompous abuse of the musically uneducated. This rape of the public ear is ONE of the greatest catalysts in the oncoming punk philosophy.
ie- musical self indulgence (masterbation), to the enth degree, WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
Warchild, was the result of the smacking of Ian's sticky hand, and bringing him back to reality.
Two fingers to you. Okay, yes for self indulgence and masturbation...agreed 100 %. But abuse of the musically uneducated?!? That statetement is not narrow-minded or harsh...it's simply rubbish. Yes. I recant that wording.  ------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: Nash
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 19:10
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I prefer A passion play, I love that album ------------- http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/sydbarrettg.jpg/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 10:25
And I recant my fanboyism and over-emotional reply  ------------- |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 15:42
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The atmospheres on Passion Play are much more gripping. Not to mention that War Child has NO atmosphere. |
Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 17:21
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[QUOTE=clarke2001] [QUOTE=Witchwoodhermit][QUOTE=clarke2001] [QUOTE=Witchwoodhermit]You see, at least "commercial "makes an attempt to APPEAL to people.
I hate to be on the side of defending Com Pop, but here (1974) it makes a point..
Passion is an unabashed, unashamed, pompous abuse of the musically uneducated. This rape of the public ear is ONE of the greatest catalysts in the oncoming punk philosophy.
ie- musical self indulgence (masterbation), to the enth degree, WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
Warchild, was the result of the smacking of Ian's sticky hand, and bringing him back to reality.
Two fingers to you. Okay, yes for self indulgence and masturbation...agreed 100 %. But abuse of the musically uneducated?!? That statetement is not narrow-minded or harsh...it's simply rubbish. Yes. I recant that wording. And I recant my fanboyism and over-emotional reply All's well.
  ------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 21:10
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'WILL NOT BE TOLERATED' ......What the........????
Perhaps IA had people like Witchwoodhermit in mind when he wrote and sang.... 'There are blackheads on his shoulders , And he pees himself in the night.....' Will we make a man of him, put him to the test? What is the test ? THE test is to actually sit down and appreciate the musical wealth APP has to offer. Pass or fail? ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |