Tired of the same songs live
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Topic: Tired of the same songs live
Posted By: darksideof
Subject: Tired of the same songs live
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 12:15
The purpose of this subject is to discuss, why so many bands specially old school prog- bands always, again always playing the same old tunes every times they go on tour.
I don’t mind if the band does new version live or new meddle section on the songs, but to play the same songs just the same like in the studio is irritating and pure boredom.
Let me give some example to be more specific:
Jethro Tull:
Aqualung
Cross eyes marry
Yes:
Starship troopers
Roundabout
I see all good people
Rush:
Free will
Closer to the heart
Kansas:
Dust in the wind
Carry On
Pink Floyd:
Learning to Fly
Another Brick in the Wall.
Just to name a few.
I always wonder why they always playing the same boring songs.!
Is it because the fans demanded? or is their chose?. I am a big fan of these bands, but I am sick and tire of these songs I may have like 8 version of the starship trooper and Maybe 20 of aqualung!!!. Also every times they put out and DVD or live albums the same boring songs are there.
From theirs such rich and big catalog, why they can’t perform their other songs. I would love to hear Tull play something from A passion play or Mystery in the gallery stuff like that and do so impro like back in the 70’s and Yes doing some songs form Drama. Get my point?
That’s why I always have the great music admiration of KING CRIMSON because they have always made their music live so interesting, fresh and sometimes new. If you listen to a boxset they put out form the wetton/bruford/cross/fripp line up every night they did inpros and new version of the songs awesome!!! And they still do the same thing They kept the 70’s feel alive.
I want to hear your opinions!!!
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 12:18
In the words of The Kinks, "Give the People What They Want."
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Posted By: Speesh
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 12:26
bhikkhu wrote:
In the words of The Kinks, "Give the People What They Want." |
Exactly. Unfortunate, but that's the way it is everywhere. On the radio station that plays classic rock here, you'll only hear the major hits. It would be grounds for celebration if I heard a Yes song other than Roundabout. I'm assuming live shows are no different, people may not get a chance to see these bands often and when they do see them they want to hear the hits.
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Posted By: iguana
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 12:40
YES, indeed
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 12:56
I have NEVER liked "Roundabout"; I was tired of it even before the first time I heard it! But "Starship Trooper" is a different story. I've always loved it, and I still do, even after 37 years. So if that's what the people want, I don't blame them. Problem is, the only time I saw Yes live (in Antwerp during the Going for the One tour), Steve Howe DELIBERATELY messed up the final riff by losing the rhythm! Guess he didn't like the sound of (give or take a few) 20 000 Belgians clapping.
As for Ian Anderson & Co, when I saw them a few years ago, they themselves seemed totally bored with "Aqualung". They tried to save the situation by messing around the choruses and verses, but they STILL sounded bored. In such a case, I don't know why they even bother trying... King Crimson, on the other hand, were enjoying "Red" and "Lark's tongues pt. 2" ENORMOUSLY when they played them (as a "double trio") during the THRAK tour. Now THAT's the spirit! Fortunately, they stayed away from "Schizoid Man"...
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 13:33
The reason they play them is that the majority of the crowd expect them to play them. Kansas always plays Dust and Carry on as encores so that the people stay for the rest of the show. They call these people Dust 'n Bolters.
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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 15:46
Thanks to "..all good people" I am totally divorced from any Yes DVD by now.
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Posted By: Hatters
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 17:35
Stop your complaining darksideof. I'm only 17 and would kill to go back in time to see Pick Floyd, Yes Zappa etc. Just be happy that you got to see good bands no matter what they played.
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Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 17:40
I think King Crimson is the band for you then.
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 17:41
My Frustartion with Gentle Giant.
They perform the same song live. Why?
Where can I find?
"Giant"
"Wreck"
"Think of me with Kindness"
"Schooldays"
Prog bandds need to know how to vary their setlists
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Posted By: KeleCableII
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 17:56
I'm really tired of Limelight.
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 19:20
Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 19:26
Hatters wrote:
Stop your complaining darksideof. I'm only 17 and would kill to go back in time to see Pink Floyd, Yes Zappa etc. Just be happy that you got to see good bands no matter what they played.
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Exactly! You people are so lucky to have seen any of those...
Nowadays many bands still tour, yet the prices can be outrageous (I don't have $200 to see Tull!), and the same bands are a little past their prime, to say the least.
Besides that, the examples of songs that are "played over and over" are just a few for each band. No concert is going to be ALL singles/hits, just a few of them because they get a good response from most crowds. I do get tired of the radio hits as well, but it's not a crime to play them...
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Posted By: Snakes & Arrows
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 22:04
I had the radio on the other night in the car driving home from Melbourne , I was caught with nothing interesting to listen to but typical radio friendly tunage so I considered putting on a CD but I decided to switch bands one time , I stumbled across a a renegade DJ who was talking about 70`s prog I wondered what was going on next thing he played a live version of And You And I by Yes I thought cool ! then he played Epitaph by King Crimson and on and on it went Floyd, ELP it spun me out !!
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 22:10
Hatters wrote:
Stop your complaining darksideof. I'm only 17 and would kill to go back in time to see Pick Floyd, Yes Zappa etc. Just be happy that you got to see good bands no matter what they played.
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That's not a very positive attitude. And I'm almost positive he's talking about classic prog groups touring today.
People want to hear those. I don't know why: I've heard DSOTM enough times that nothing would induce me to pay money to go see/hear it live unless I were traveling back in time. Just like I can't imagine anyone in the whole world paying a lot of money to go hear the Rolling Stones play Satisfaction on their 2005 tour. But obviously it works, or they wouldn't do it.
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Posted By: Tommydouglas
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 22:51
I know you have to give people what they want, but heavens, with some bands it's just beating something to death. Rush should finally retire Closer to the Heart and Yes should definitely retire Roundabout. How can they still play those songs with any sense of life? They must be sooo sick of them. I liked Saga's idea of taking one of their classics (World's Apart) and playing it live in its entirety.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 23:00
ClassicRocker wrote:
Nowadays many bands still tour, yet the prices can be outrageous (I don't have $200 to see Tull!) |
where are you having to pay that amount to see Tull? They're one of the most frequently touring classic prog bands, and tickets don't usually run higher than 40 or 50 dollars in the U.S... even scalpers wouldn't try charging $200 for Tull.
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Posted By: Atomic_Rooster
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 23:01
Bern wrote:
I think King Crimson is the band for you then.
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exactly, they rarely play stuff from earlier periods (except larks tongues etc...) and when they do its a completely new and awesome version. They truly are a progressive live experience
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 23:24
Atavachron wrote:
ClassicRocker wrote:
Nowadays many bands still tour, yet the prices can be outrageous (I don't have $200 to see Tull!) |
where are you having to pay that amount to see Tull? They're one of the most frequently touring classic prog bands, and tickets don't usually run higher than 40 or 50 dollars in the U.S... even scalpers wouldn't try charging $200 for Tull.
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Heh, well sorry to inform you, but recently Tull tickets went on sale in my area, and the prices ranged from $100 (for the worst seats) all the way to $250+!
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 23:35
Dream Theater always plays "Pull Me Under" and about the 4th time I saw them, they started to play it yet again. I was kinda like- "oh great" BUT, they played it really fast, mixing up the tempo- it was excellent!
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 23:47
Bern wrote:
I think King Crimson is the band for you then.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 23:48
ClassicRocker wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
ClassicRocker wrote:
Nowadays many bands still tour, yet the prices can be outrageous (I don't have $200 to see Tull!) | where are you having to pay that amount to see Tull? They're one of the most frequently touring classic prog bands, and tickets don't usually run higher than 40 or 50 dollars in the U.S... even scalpers wouldn't try charging $200 for Tull. |
Heh, well sorry to inform you, but recently Tull tickets went on sale in my area, and the prices ranged from $100 (for the worst seats) all the way to $250+! |
I'm shocked, sorry to hear that.. sad.
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 01:41
Ghandi 2 wrote:
Hatters wrote:
Stop your complaining darksideof. I'm only 17 and would kill to go back in time to see Pick Floyd, Yes Zappa etc. Just be happy that you got to see good bands no matter what they played. |
That's not a very positive attitude. And I'm almost positive he's talking about classic prog groups touring today.
People want to hear those. I don't know why: I've heard DSOTM enough times that nothing would induce me to pay money to go see/hear it live unless I were traveling back in time. Just like I can't imagine anyone in the whole world paying a lot of money to go hear the Rolling Stones play Satisfaction on their 2005 tour. But obviously it works, or they wouldn't do it. |
exactly.!!!! Zappa is dead and Floyd I doubt they will tour again. Yes is still tour but i refuse to see them live unless the do the whole Topographic or some songs from relayer which i doubt it. I guess I was blessed to these bands live but I am not complaing about their whole intire concert I am talking about songs like in my examples and their dvds when does have the same bring stuff over and over.
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 01:45
el böthy wrote:
Bern wrote:
I think King Crimson is the band for you then.
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well Fripp knows that his fans go to see him for whatever he wants to play and still his fans will enjoy. That is pure genuine to be have that kind of musical freedom.
Long Live the KING MR. FRIPP!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 02:01
I also want to say that if a band feel the presure to play the hits because the fans won't come if they don't. If that's true, then where is true genuine loving true fans that apreciate their art form. Musicians should have the freedom and greatful desire to please themselves because by doing that his fans will also respect , admire even more their talent. I am a grafic designer /Ilustrator and even thougth I do have to please my clients to a limit I also have the choice and freedom to express my design and drawing in my own unique way. regasdless if they like or not. if they don't them tuff. however If they like my style they wouldn't hire in the first place. I am the one who make the chioces and musicians should allow to do the same.
That's sucks if that is true.!!!!!!
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Posted By: pero
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 06:02
darksideof wrote:
I also want to say that if a band feel the presure to play the hits because the fans won't come if they don't. If that's true, then where is true genuine loving true fans that apreciate their art form. Musicians should have the freedom and greatful desire to please themselves because by doing that his fans will also respect , admire even more their talent. I am a grafic designer /Ilustrator and even thougth I do have to please my clients to a limit I also have the choice and freedom to express my design and drawing in my own unique way. regasdless if they like or not. if they don't them tuff. however If they like my style they wouldn't hire in the first place. I am the one who make the chioces and musicians should allow to do the same. That's sucks if that is true.!!!!!! |
Well said.
But on the other hand some bands stick to Zappa's "We are here only for the money".
They maybe have bigger audience but in the end leave band and carrier dissapointed.
Fripp and Zappa are unique, and you could never be bored on their concerts.
Reading Hendrix biography on the other hand, he was very dissapointed because his audience (and manager) always asked him to play Hey Joe, Purple haze, Vodoo chile,... and he wanted to finish with this period and go further, but didn't manage.
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 06:28
I would give several parts of my body to be able to see groups like Yes and King Crimson live, though I doubt we will ever see them here in NZ. I don't mind what they play, however it is always exciting when new material or material that is not well known is put into the play set. Most bands these days play their well known material and if they are on the verge of releasing a new album, will include one or two "teasers" from the new album to keep the fans happy and ready to rush out and buy the new release. A good example of this was Porcupine Tree's latest tour when they included material from FOABP.I have also been to a Jethro Tull concert where tracks from their then upcoming album, "War Child" were included in the set and U2 including tracks from "The Unforgetable Fire" which was also at that stage not released.
It is generally agreed that when fans go to concerts the expectation is to hear the hits or well known pieces. Not everyone is going to like hearing the well played hits, however a well planned concert set usually satisfies the concert goer one way or another.
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Posted By: heavyhery
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 06:30
hell not thats the songs i want to hear live.What i hate is when they play the songs on their newer cds
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 06:32
^ I guess you can't satisfy everyone. As the saying goes "horses for courses"...
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 07:05
This problem will always arise once a band's back-catalogue is longer than their set list, so it will always be impossible to please all the people all the time. The reception of new material live seems to be inversely proportional to the size of the audience/fan-base, but having said that, I think most bands get the balance right.
Any reticence on behalf of the band to air new material is probably because they don't know how their "new baby" will be received, and they really don't climb up on stage to deliberately dissapoint people.
Personally I want to hear new stuff, but I want to hear some of my all time favorite songs aswell. Any band who only plays from their greatest hits is in danger of becoming their own tribute band.
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Posted By: seamus
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 07:44
Talkin' about PINK FLOYD i want say that LEARNING TO FLY is a very good song specially in the live performance; on the live album PULSE i think that song was awesome (and the light show too).

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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 09:22
When I see an established band play live, I want a good balance of old and new material. Unfortunately, many people only want the "greatest hits".
Anyway, how often do you get to see the great prog bands play live? I'd be happy to see (for example) Yes playing Roundabout as part of their live show once every year or two.
They usually put the track list on live CDs and DVDs, so I know before I buy if they are similar to ones I already have.
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Posted By: Prog.Sylvie
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 09:45
Jethro Tull will come in November at La Place Des Arts in Montreal ( something like 3 thousands people), and the tickets are from 50.00$ to 70.00 $ CDN. This is quite good, and this venue is excellent for this kind of show.
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Posted By: Prog.Sylvie
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 09:48
Everytime that I saw my favorites bands or singers, I always expect that they will play some of their greatest hits. I am never tired of Roundabout, DSOTM, or Aqualung. Those are classics. Beside those, it's quite ok for the band to play different things and their new songs too.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 12:11
Live Gigs have certainly changed over the years, i remember when everybody loved those extended guitar solos and drum breaks, designed within a 2 1/2 hour set to give members the chance to grab a cup of tea, a Jack Daniels, or maybe a puff!
Many concertgoers these days are new fans and may have never seen a particular "old" band performing before, and may be disappointed not to hear their "famous hits" as it were - have a look at my "Beginner's guide to Deep Purple " review which illustrates this point rather well if i may say so.. 
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 13:10
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 13:20
sometimes a band needs to stick to the hits, but I for one love it when the new material is brought out. On Rush in Rio, all of the Vapor Trails material breaks free from the studio "production" (if you could even call it that) and can be much better appreciated. It's so boring when my parents go to some old 70s band that hasn't released an album of new material in 15 years on the nostalgia circuit just to hear three or four songs.
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 13:20
darksideof wrote:
I also want to say that if a band feel the presure to play the hits because the fans won't come if they don't. If that's true, then where is true genuine loving true fans that apreciate their art form. Musicians should have the freedom and greatful desire to please themselves because by doing that his fans will also respect , admire even more their talent. I am a grafic designer /Ilustrator and even thougth I do have to please my clients to a limit I also have the choice and freedom to express my design and drawing in my own unique way. regasdless if they like or not. if they don't them tuff. however If they like my style they wouldn't hire in the first place. I am the one who make the chioces and musicians should allow to do the same. That's sucks if that is true.!!!!!! |
In your analogy you forgot one important point. While you have the right to create what you want your client has the right not buy it and if enough people stop buying you have to find something else to do to make money. The same for these bands. Sure they pick what they choose to play but if people don't like it they won't come back.
Do you assume the majority of crowds who see 70's prog bands are like us or post on sites like this? Far from it! We are in such a small minority it isn't even funny. The only places you will find such crowds is Festivals or concerts of bands such as The Flower Kings, Spock's Beard and Porcupine Tree. (That is the only place where new music isn't only accepted it is expected!)
Many people when hearing a band is going to play a new song of a 70-'s legend (and this is not just limited to prog) choose that time to go the snack bar or take a piss break. I have seen it time and time again. They only know the band by their hits and they endure the rest to hear the hits. I blame it on classic rock radio conditioning. So while you are maybe well versed in Yes's catalog there are people who only know Roundabout, All Good People and Owner of a Lonely Heart and I would guess that a large majority of the audience is made up of them.
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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 13:27
Depends who it is really.
I saw all 3 ELP shows at Royal Albert Hall in 92, and each show was identical, same set list, each song played identically each night, same between song banter. I understand their music is complex to play, but these shows were identical down to the minutest detail. Although I was pleased to have finally seen ELP live by the 3rd gig I felt a bit cheated.
I went to see VdGG 5 times this year on tour. Each setlist was different; they had a core set of tracks, but they varied what was played and how they played it. With VdGG it is a fine line between a tune being a disasterous car crash or a tear-jerking epic, they play right on the edge, and audiences sense this and react to it. Each show was different and unique. Quite unforgettable.
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Posted By: Prog.Sylvie
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 14:59
Three weeks ago, I saw Al Stewart in a small venue. Very nice show. Al told us, that every night, it's a different show, because he has something like 175 songs that he can play for us. Of course, he does not forget "Year of The Cat" or " Road to Moscow", but he likes to change from show to another.
About ELP: why seeing them three nights in a row ? I saw them in january 1993 in a small venue. It was a good show, but I did not feel to see them again the next day, even if I was a fan. ( and I am still a fan...).
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 15:01
Hatters wrote:
Stop your complaining darksideof. I'm only 17 and would kill to go back in time to see Pick Floyd, Yes Zappa etc. Just be happy that you got to see good bands no matter what they played.
| Yeah darksideof stop being evil The poor kid. I only started to go and see bands in `77 and I didn`t even get to see some bands I would have liked to such as Gentle Giant, Hawkwind , Focus ,Babe Ruth and tons of others. I `d sit through Excerpt`s from Octopus over and over if I had the chance. As for the original topic. As others have pointed out it`s not the band`s fault they have to play songs over and over. I played in a couple of cover bands and believe me I had to play stuff that I never want to even hear ever again. ever!! I`ve been to see Rush about 6 or 7 times and Neil Peart`s drum solos bore me to tears. I always find myself rolling my eyes and saying to myself :Please God not again. I`ve seen Dennis Chambers a few times with different artists and he always comes up with something different in a solo. Oh no I said something bad about Rush again Bring on the hate PMs!
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 21:07
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Hatters wrote:
Stop your complaining darksideof. I'm only 17 and would kill to go back in time to see Pick Floyd, Yes Zappa etc. Just be happy that you got to see good bands no matter what they played.
| Yeah darksideof stop being evil The poor kid. I only started to go and see bands in `77 and I didn`t even get to see some bands I would have liked to such as Gentle Giant, Hawkwind , Focus ,Babe Ruth and tons of others. I `d sit through Excerpt`s from Octopus over and over if I had the chance. As for the original topic. As others have pointed out it`s not the band`s fault they have to play songs over and over. I played in a couple of cover bands and believe me I had to play stuff that I never want to even hear ever again. ever!! I`ve been to see Rush about 6 or 7 times and Neil Peart`s drum solos bore me to tears. I always find myself rolling my eyes and saying to myself :Please God not again. I`ve seen Dennis Chambers a few times with different artists and he always comes up with something different in a solo. Oh no I said something bad about Rush again Bring on the hate PMs!
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P.S. this could all be resolved if groups posted a set list on each ticket, therefore advising possible buyers of what they're in for. The Stones playing Satisfaction - ohno, Pink FLoyd playing Money - god save me, King Crimson playing 21st Century Man, l hope they do as good a job as April WIne 
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Posted By: ZowieZiggy
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 21:34
I do not know where is Atavachron located, because I will see Tull on the first of June. Tickets sell for 34 € (unique price). I will pay no transaction fee, no commission since it is an 8,000 seats capacity and I anticipate, at best, half the concert hall will be filled. Last time I saw Tull in Brussels, we were 2,000 of us so it should not be a problem. And yes, I hope they will play Aqualung. And I can tell you, I'm not a Tull casual fan (I've reviewed their entire catalogue on PA).
I go and see Purple tomorrow and even if I have never really liked "Smoke...", I know they will play it and I will have to overcome my disgust of the audience participation shouting : Smoooke on the waaaaaater... But I can understand that lots of people go for this (in my case, I am completely nuts when I hear the intro for Highway Star).
I guess that a lot of people are like me. Actually, starting tomorrow, I will start an incredible month. After Purple and Tull, I have my ticket for the Stones (5th of June - 65 €). I'm not going there to hear "Satisfaction" but to see a legend. Like on June 8th, when I'll go and see The Who and I hope to get as much Tommy songs as possible.
On June 11th, I'll go ans see Mrs. Patti Smith. Usually, her concerts are phenomenal and she ranks Brussels audience as the craziest she knows and yes, I hope to hear " Free Money, Gloria etc. Because her first album is one of the greatest one I know.
This incredible period will end up on June 18th ith Lou Reed. Even if I know that he will be playing "Berlin" in its entirety I hope we'll get "Heroin", "I'm Waiting For The Man" etc.
We go and attend concerts to hear what we like the most. For legendary bands out of the seventies, let's face the truth : the best of their repertoire is not ahead, so it is rather logical that they play some oldies. It is also a way for us, the old fans, to remind our youth even if this feeling might sound ... childish.
Of course, in the case of Tull, I would love to hear Baker Street Muse, but I know I will not since they have never played it live (I was even ot able to get an unofficial version for it and I have access to about 40 boots from them).
And by the way, Gilmour has played "Money" over 800 times. And even if I do not like this song very much, he is just giving pleasure to the majority of the audience.
So if some Tull (or others) DVD, live CD's contains some numbers you are fed up with, there is an easy thing to do : press next (as I used to say in my reviews). But you have to understand that these bands are not releasing material for your own personal taste. They want to sell their products to the majority and therefore, listed their classics everybody want to hear.
Cheers,
"Sitting on a park bench Eyeing little girls with bad intent".
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 23:07
They want to sell their products to the majority and therefore, listed their classics everybody want to hear.!!!
I Guess Frappa was right 30 years ago when he said:
Zappa's "We are here only for the money".
The world end for me when art becomes products.!!!!
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 23:27
In your analogy you forgot one important point. While you have the right to create what you want your client has the right not buy it and if enough people stop buying you have to find something else to do to make money. The same for these bands. Sure they pick what they choose to play but if people don't like it they won't come back.
Do you assume the majority of crowds who see 70's prog bands are like us or post on sites like this? Far from it! We are in such a small minority it isn't even funny. The only places you will find such crowds is Festivals or concerts of bands such as The Flower Kings, Spock's Beard and Porcupine Tree. (That is the only place where new music isn't only accepted it is expected!)
Many people when hearing a band is going to play a new song of a 70-'s legend (and this is not just limited to prog) choose that time to go the snack bar or take a piss break. I have seen it time and time again. They only know the band by their hits and they endure the rest to hear the hits. I blame it on classic rock radio conditioning. So while you are maybe well versed in Yes's catalog there are people who only know Roundabout, All Good People and Owner of a Lonely Heart and I would guess that a large majority of the audience is made up of them.
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Well like I said earlier the client hires me because they all ready knows my work ethics and apreciated my talent and styles. Also there is something call contract!! just incase they don't want to pay by saying they don't like. Also if I have the mentally that you have I problably will be working doing something else because believe it wasn't easy and still isn't easy for me to make money doing Art. However that the beauty behind it you are free to do what you want with out the fear of being a sale out or a to live for the money. Look at the master Vincent van gogh never sold an painter in his life. Now his painting worth millions and his name is in art history book ,just because money wasn't his focus in his life. Well 70's rock muisicians defently ( NOT FRIPP) these days are millionaires because their art because products and Sales ( not art) is the keys of their success. down the end They'll be thinking and laughfui all the way down to the big banks accounts.
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Posted By: pero
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 02:21
Interesting. I was twice on Jethro tull in Zagreb. First time 1974 and second 2000. The price was cca 30$
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Posted By: pero
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 02:27
darksideof wrote:
They want to sell their products to the majority and therefore, listed their classics everybody want to hear.!!! I Guess Frappa was right 30 years ago when he said: Zappa's "We are here only for the money". The world end for me when art becomes products.!!!!  |
In the middle age church sell false artefacts of saints.
Wait until in 20-30 years someone on e-bay start to sell Hendrix teeth.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 04:17
pero wrote:
darksideof wrote:
They want to sell their products to the majority and therefore, listed their classics everybody want to hear.!!! I Guess Frappa was right 30 years ago when he said: Zappa's "We are here only for the money". The world end for me when art becomes products.!!!!  |
In the middle age church sell false artefacts of saints.
Wait until in 20-30 years someone on e-bay start to sell Hendrix teeth. |
Oh what a great name for a pack of Plectrums!
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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 10:54
Prog.Sylvie wrote:
Three weeks ago, I saw Al Stewart in a small venue. Very nice show. Al told us, that every night, it's a different show, because he has something like 175 songs that he can play for us. Of course, he does not forget "Year of The Cat" or " Road to Moscow", but he likes to change from show to another.
About ELP: why seeing them three nights in a row ? I saw them in january 1993 in a small venue. It was a good show, but I did not feel to see them again the next day, even if I was a fan. ( and I am still a fan...). |
say them 3 nights over a two week period in October 1992, so I didn't see them on 3 concurrent nights.
I did see VdGG on 3 concurrent nights last month and loved every second of it.
Maybe i'm an obsessive fan (or energy Vampyre as PH would say)
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 14:10
I`m not really that terrified about going to see Jethro Tull in Montréal since they`re apparently (according to the poster) toning down and presenting what`s billed as an acoustic/electric show. I think I read a review of this show performed in Helsinki, Finland and it was more or less positive. Also they`re playing in a building here that`s the home of the Montréal Symphony Orchestra. I saw Crimson play there a few years back and it was wierd because in the other concert hall in the same complex a concert of chamber music was being presented and as usual Crimson played freakin`loud. I really don`t care Tull plays since I haven`t seen them for over ten years. I`ll just pretend I`m going to a classical recital.
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: May 20 2007 at 14:29
Siberian khatru is the only one I can think of... Starship trooper always changes, very cool!
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: May 20 2007 at 15:36
pero wrote:
Interesting. I was twice on Jethro tull in Zagreb. First time 1974 and second 2000. The price was cca 30$ |
Wow, well maybe the theatre around here has something to do with the prices(?)
In any case, if the tickets were affordable for me, i would still kill to see Tull live on matter what they played. Aqualung, TAAB excerpts, Living in the past, a new day yesterday, etc it's all good
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