I want to make an exhibition of myself!
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Topic: I want to make an exhibition of myself!
Posted By: hdfisch
Subject: I want to make an exhibition of myself!
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:08
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I received a (automated) message at my common email address from Max a few days ago welcoming me back at the site since I haven't posted anything since quite a while. I don't think it would make any sense to respond to this directly so here's my response publicly in the forum: First: I just don't find the time any longer to post any review or to read all this crap posted here in the forum (just now I found a few minutes to add up some crap of mine). Second: Nonetheless I'm listening to music every day (whether Prog or not I don't care, primarily I've got to like it and the kind of genre I'm attracted of changes from time to time). Some I like very much and listen more frequently, others I just find too boring or too exhausting. But again there's not enough time to reflect about any specific record and to write anything sounding sophisticated about them. Third: As I mentioned already above most of the posts here are just crap and boring. I've listened already so far to almost something like 9000 albums most of them being listed here. But I don't see any reason for discussing about them since individual taste is different anyway, sorry but IMHO discussion about music ( and art in general) is just killing time and or people who don't have better things to do. Forth: The reason why this site sucks for me since a while is mainly because it's full of people thinking only music that sounds like being done in the 70's is good music and therefore considered Prog (which should equal to progressive but in fact is regressive). Most music usually being referred to Prog is actually anything than progressive, but rather retro (which isn't bad at all once in a while and in fact there are very good bands doing this style like Gargamel i.e.). I just find it hilarious to call some music progressive which is just doing something that had been already 30 years ago. In my humble opinion nowadays there are just a few genres in rock music bearing some progression and those are Metal (but not the kinda Prog-Metal stuff by DT etc.) Jazz-Fusion (with Metal or Rock) and Avant Prog. Everything else listed here is either Proto-Prog, 70's Prog, Retro- (or even worse Neo-)Prog and some mix between Alternative and Art Rock (usually called Prog-related). Just my own summary and opinion. Never mind! ------------- To be prog or not to be, that's not the question! Sillyam Likesbeer |
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:10
| You spelled Fourth wrong |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:11
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Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay..................
So you decided to post back at us to tell us we suck?
Cheers. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:14
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PA forums are backdrop to the real purpose of the site--to provide recommendations for people interested in prog music.
If you want sophisticated responses, I would revise to read review posted accaimed reviewers on the site.
I listen to practically all the subgenres of prog and enjoy the music thoroughly. Pa creates exposure.
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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:14
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I disagree. I've discovered a lot of new music through this site and thus broadened my musical horizons. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:15
Perhaps he's referring to the river? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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progismylife wrote:Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:17
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Maybe I have nothing better to do. What's it to you? I like listening to other people's opinions. That's the point of any conversation. -------------  
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:19
Same here which is probably why I have so many posts  |
Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:20
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First: that's too bad
Second: Also too bad
Third: Discussion is fun, it's a form of socializing and here we get to interact with other people with similar (yet in many cases still unique) musical tastes, unlike what we can experience in the "real world" society.
Fourth: there are a HUGE amount of people here that love newer bandsand don't necessarily agree with all the bands that are listed here, and also some that don't even like anything from the 60s-70s "classic" era. There are all types of tastes in regard to that.
Additionally, there is always the perpetual argument on how to define "progressive", what is prog rock? etc. There are many different perceptions of what this is, and yours is just one of them that both agrees and conflicts with many others.
So in my own summary and opinion: if you hate this so much, just stop. People like discussing this music on forums and they have the right to, just as you have the right to go away! ------------- 
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:21
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All the trite conversation goes in VR.
That's the point of it, to digress and post random crap.
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:22
You are right Hdfisch, this site sucks because if you do negative posts like you you get more attention than if you do a post about new proposed bands, how cynical, your post is a self-parody  !
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Posted By: hdfisch
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:23
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That's exactly I menat with bullsh*t here!
------------- To be prog or not to be, that's not the question! Sillyam Likesbeer |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:23
It's not all that random.... |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:24
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Did you just now come to this conclusion, when did the site start sucking because judging by your profile you wasted a ton of time here. I use this site to talk about prog with people who also like prog because no one that I know in person does. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:27
word. wtf is up with people and music in the us of a?  -------------
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Posted By: hdfisch
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:29
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Thanks for the straight answer. The fact is: I WILL GO AWAY! I guess no one gonna miss the crap I posted in my reviews!  ------------- To be prog or not to be, that's not the question! Sillyam Likesbeer |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:29
Very true. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:33
what a pessimist, you decide to come and say how much you hate the site and when you didn't you made a list of music you didn't like rather than what you did like. its just sad that you are such a glass half empty kind of person.
Feel free to leave, no one says that you have to stay. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:35
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In your fourth point that has been discussed to death here you are summrizing that prog=progressive music it doesn't. It equals progressive rock music and that is found in the music of the 70's which is why so many people hear like it. I am not saying progressive rock can't be progressive even today but don't associate the two becasue it isn't the way it is. You will only be more frustrated becasue the the basis of this music is a iotself a limted from called rock. But consider this is it not artful or musical and even progressive in a sense to build on a foundation laid before? To borrow from a design even if it is not the exact same model in the end? How can this not be progressive as well? All genres do this and periods of time are visited and revisited.
So that leaves us of why start a web site called prog in the first place if you are not going to have a foundation laid? ------------- 
"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?" |
Posted By: hdfisch
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:35
------------- To be prog or not to be, that's not the question! Sillyam Likesbeer |
Posted By: hdfisch
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:37
I think your nickname fits you! ------------- To be prog or not to be, that's not the question! Sillyam Likesbeer |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:37
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Congratulations hdfisch on out growing this site.I will always appreciate your intelligent reviews,and your tastes(similar to mine) in music.It would seem your passion for prog has been taken away by some hideous unseen force.Thankfully Prog Archives will still be here when the thirst to discuss and write about prog comes back to you.And i hope it does come back to you.I miss your reviews. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: martinn
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:37
Welcome back!
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Posted By: enteredwinter
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:38
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Thank you for this informative and important post. I now realize that my favorite site on the internet "sucks", and I have also become aware that the discussions in which I participate are just "crap". Armed with this new knowledge, I will set upon the task of finding more meaningful ways of spending my time. ------------- 
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:40
ARE YOU STILL HERE?
Nither no one is special.
we all just have different musical/artistic tastes that evolve over time as you said. No two species evolve the same way why should taste. Who cares that you evolved away from prog, it works for me. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: hdfisch
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:50
That's just the usual hair-splitting everyone's doing here! I'm quite aware that 70's progressive rock is not the same than usual rock. That goes without saying, you think I'm stupid or what? I know well what's meant by progressive rock, I'm born 1960, I've been raised up with it! I just want to say that that you can't necessarily call this kind of music progressive more than 30 years later. Nevertheless I love this kind of music every now and then! ------------- To be prog or not to be, that's not the question! Sillyam Likesbeer |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:55
If that's how you choose to define progressive music, then any album you listen to for the second time is no longer progressive. The term progressive has to be associated with a time period, and I think many of the members here (like myself) find appreciation for 70's progressive music on the basis that it was revolutionary at the time. -------------
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 18:57
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hdfisch I'm approximately 2/3rds in agreement and I'll admit I'm pretty neutral of the rest you write - i.e. nothing much to argue. I too had one of those messages from Max - I replied (although expecting it to go back to an electronic blind alley in some circuit board (bored)) because I do think of myself being fairly active wrt correspondence here: therefore isn't rather strange to receive such a message? I would suggest that somebody better check out that particular bit of statistical gathering software/programming, since it ain't working right. I'm still happy to stay on board , and shove in my halfpenny's worth on to those threads that say something new and/or are informative. But with the bloated expansion of the PA to encompass all in sundry - much that never would have been considered progressive rock until PA appeared on the scene - there much to ignore, being outside my relative conservative boundaries. However, I agree with you jazz rock was part of the genre very early on - and how many times have I written here about those younger members lauding 70's fusion, seemingly oblivious of their own generation currently progressing that form of jazz. A progressive group indeed can be accused of living in the past - oxymoronic? I was reminded watching the Seven Ages Of Rock tonight on punk, why, I as progressive music fan from the very start, welcomed this movement in the 70's: the Styx being diverted to cleanse the Stygian stables - flushing out the worse of the s***. (What was really disturbing tonight was to catch a few seconds of Robson Green "celebrating" Simon Cowell on This Is Your Life, with me believing that person has contributed to the castration of popular music while becoming very rich, giving the public uniform blandness in their music). Time for PA to have a punk period? ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: hdfisch
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:00
That's what I say: this forum here just sucks!!  ------------- To be prog or not to be, that's not the question! Sillyam Likesbeer |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:03
I think everyone gets the email Dick, members past and present. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:06
Still leaves the question "why?" wrt it contents and those of us who are regular correspondents ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:07
Why?
Its easier to send to every member maybe? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:08
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You are receiving this e-mail because in the past, you either:
everyone who has posted in the forums got it. it was a strange email...i was wondering why i was invited to "come back" when i hadn't really left. -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:08
I suggest you take no further part then. Honestly, that is for the best I think. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: hdfisch
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:15
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To be clear once again: I do NOT like commercial music! Any non-commercial music = PROG is just bullsh*t! I'm listening to many non-Prog bands multiple times and still find them interesting! I'm listening to SOME Prog bands multiple times and still find them boring! Not necessarily all music called Prog is interesting! ------------- To be prog or not to be, that's not the question! Sillyam Likesbeer |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:23
You won't be missed by me. Please leave again. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:27
punk arose from boredom, as they said in the program, which, ironically, i soon became bored and switched off the tv!
as i find punk extremely shallow and boring... i hope there isn't a "punk" period on PA, if anyone should find things getting a bit tedious then do something about it - think of something creative, don't slope off and sulk, or make a racket
...and hdfisch stop sulking!
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:28
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:31
Personally, I loved the Punk movement (not at first though) But not just for Punk, bvut for the New Wave bands that followed and the general new era of experimentation. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: hdfisch
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:36
I hate punk but to say punk is the opposite of prog is a way of black&white thinking I think! I can't follow at all this way of thinking in fan groups and lobbies!! ------------- To be prog or not to be, that's not the question! Sillyam Likesbeer |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:45
I agree that prog today is in some crisis, I don't consider many band today labelled prog as prog but rather Sympphonic rock; why? because its not breaking ground, just like techno today was progressive in the 70s (Kraftwerk etc), but its no longer prog. My logic is why do we have Spock's Beard on the archives but no techno bands, both are logical evolutions of progressive rock but neither are progressive. ------------- |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:46
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hey Dieter you got an interesting thread going - don't leave us now
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:54
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Eh, fair enough.
If you want to stop getting those emails, I suggest you change the email address stored on your profile. I'm pretty sure they're automated and if mailto:M@x - M@x wants to keep sending them, he'll send them to everyone (or everyone who hasn't logged in in a while). There was one forum that sent me emails constantly until I changed my email to a fake one.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 20:02
To be honest, I never knew you existed until today. Too bad you feel this way; however, if you think this site really sucks, it's threads like this that really brings it down. E ------------- 
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 20:06
Hey, you hear that? That's the sound of us all not giving a #@$*! E -------------
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 20:23
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Sorry you feel that way mate, but do us all a favor and make your exit speedy. I do agree that I do have better things to do with my time than endlessly discuss albums and argue what prog is and isn't, but that hardly makes this site suck. It's a wonderful resource headed by a lot of passionate and dedicated people who have really made this a great place to discover good music. I disappeared for quite a few months and was pleasantly surprised with how much progress the site has made and how much it's grown upon a more steady return. I feel it's a good thing when we have repeated polls and discussions because most of the time it's from newer members, which means the site's membership is growing- bear with them! But anyways, there's always going to be discussions and conflicts on what is and isn't "prog" because that's a logical result when you attempt to define genres and then place bands in them. Not every band is going to perfectly fit into a specified genre, so there's bound to be conflict. Be that as it may, I think PA has done a great job handling that- it helps people unfamiliar with progressive music get a feel for the different types it has to offer. It's not perfect, but what is? |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 20:23
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Well I'm really glad that Mr Hdfisch popped by with his message of love. If that had been TLC posting we'd have accused him of posting whilst "drunk". (Sorry Brian) mailto:M@xs - M@x's mass-emailing seems to have got up everyone's nose.
For the record I got the email 4 times for some reason.
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Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 20:27
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I think hdfish is actually Lindsey Lohan writing from rehab. Good luck with that, LL! ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 21:15
I love the new thread title. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 21:30
I received this email yesterday, even though I had been posting probably my best reviews since I arrived with my revision of all but one of The Doors' albums (since that sixth one I reviewed months ago)... How could it be? Or does it mean that it seems like we're gone when we don't post in the forum (as my posting rate has clearly decreased).... 
I want to make an exhibition of myself though. I don't know what that means but let's do it.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 04:14
It means we have to hang you on the wall and stare at you for hours on end wondering what the hell you are meant to be .... |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 06:07
I must say that even general forums , Prog Ears members that never posted here got the e-mail also. There is even a thread about it in PE. I also received it, BTW.
I'm not sure this "spamming" is wise.
 Dieter,
you used to be an active member and if memory serves, a pretty good one (and for a while one of my preferred member)
 I can understand why one gets tired of forum life , and I have seen this site not always heading in directions I approved of, also. So I can understand why you would choose not to post in the forum (or even post reviews) , but to come backwith such an aggressive tone in respond to mailto:M@xs - M@x's unwise spamming is rather unlike you.
  And just in case, your angry response and return to the forum just proved that mailto:M@xs - M@x's spamming works and can only encourage him further.
 BTW, some of your reviews helped me discovered some stuff I didn't know.
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 14:20
Mass-emails are rarely liked.
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: June 04 2007 at 01:54
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I like your avatar!! ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 01:09
| I didn't get that email. Hmmm... I wonder what that means. |