Pink Floyd-Money, how cynical, fellow Flo
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Topic: Pink Floyd-Money, how cynical, fellow Flo
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Subject: Pink Floyd-Money, how cynical, fellow Flo
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 11:50
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Hello fellow Floydians.
Last week I noticed a thread about a forthcoming re-release of the album The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn as a 2-CD set and lots of extra's. This is just another 'new old ' Pink Floyd release by the record company in order to get money out of the pockets of the wealthy middle class Floydians like with ...
..The Wall Live DeLuxe Limited Edition Box Set
Shine On Boxe Set 7CD + Early Singles Bonus CD
Pink Floyd Box Set First Ten Albums
Gold CD version of Dark Side Of The Moon
Etc.
 ..Do we realise this or are we happy Floydians and don't mind about money?
Do you know other 'special' Pink Floyd releases?
I am looking forward to your opinions and reactions!
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 11:52
A Floydian and his money are soon parted...... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 11:58
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I've noticed that too. Especially when "Pulse" was released. They do the same thing with The Beatles. Every few years there is a new package. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 11:59
Just look at this  :
"BOX - SET"
Title: "PINK FLOYD - 97 VINYL COLLECTION" Country: U.K. Record company: EMI RECORDS
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 12:09
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Not just the band will make money off this. Keep that in mind.
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Posted By: cuoredifalena
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 12:28
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i know what you mean...
look as long as they will release "A delicate sound of thunder" in DVD and full of extras...i don`t mind paying..
and if they released another DVd with a great concert from the Animals era ..then i will gladly pay again... :O)
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 12:31
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When it comes to Pink Floyd stuff,
"Just grin and buy it"
------------- Beauty will save the world. 
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Posted By: kerberos
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 12:35
| You either buy something or you don't. Personally I have 3 Floyd albums including Pulse. That's enough fro me. |
Posted By: eddietrooper
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 12:44
| My opinion about this kind of stuff is: the more material they make available, the more you can choose from. Of course they're trying to get money, that's their business, but they don't put a gun on your head. If you're not interested you don't have to buy it. But it's good to have that extra material available and it helps to get new people interested in Floyd music. |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 12:54
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There's few things I agree about with Mr Johnny Rotten, but I'll always remember the Sex Pistols recorded a single sneering at EMI, and I've always disliked the way EMI rip off music fans.
As I said in my original reaction to this new release, just a few days ago: "I've always been mad at EMI for not releasing THE PIPER with at least 'Arnold Layne' and 'See Emily Play' as bonus tracks. (Or SGT. PEPPER with 'Strawberry Fields Forever' and 'Penny Lane' as bonus tracks.) Moreover, to add insult to injury, for about twenty years they never charged less than £12 (which is now around $24!) for these albums in British record stores. Wonder what they're gonna charge for this new collection!" |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 14:12
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Well, these bands are cash cows to their record companies. In other words, guaranteed income. And the musicians probably aren't complaining, with their retirement checks getting fatter and fatter (and who can blame them? not me). I've actually never owned Piper, so I may even consider picking it up  Still, I do get tired of the seemingly endless remasters, box sets, best of's, etc., etc. ad infinitum, that comes out for the biggest and most "legendary" bands. But people must be buying them, or they wouldn't keep doing it. And I think it is important for new fans to be able to discover them. |
Posted By: Floydian42
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 14:43
| When it comes to stuff like that, I usually just end up getting it off Limewire. I don't really care to waste my money on a few more tracks of an album I have. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 17:33
The trick by record companies is often to seduce the Floydians with some previously unreleased tracks/footage on every compilation/new version of old albums so I disagree with the statement that "you are free to buy it or not", they excatly know how to manipulate the wealthy middle class Floydian who eagerly waits for that kind of material. And what about the policy to put an abridged version of Echoes on the 2-CD disc set Echoes  ?
 Sex sells
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 18:58
| I'm actually not too upset about the PATGOD remaster because it's much more than just the typical new packaging plus useless extras moneymaking deal. EMI (and Floyd themselves with the live albums) does milk them, but I don't think this is the same (as compared to the various versions of DSOTM). You should be much more upset about the constant Yes editions and their completely useless extras (Woo, a studio runthrough of the song on the album that sounds almost exactly the same except with worse sound quality--and what's this? The single version of a song on the album. What joy!). |
Posted By: evilromero
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 19:49
| Damn! The money seems to be floating out of my pocket! |
Posted By: Spyro
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 21:54
Last time I checked I noticed they were selling new edition bibles in the local Christian book shop 
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Posted By: UrbanAchiever
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 22:59
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it seems to me that sucessful yet non-conforming bands convert to money grubbing as they age. Perhaps thats just a side effect of greedy management by record execs, because i dont think Nick Mason is the marketing genius behind the Copper Edition 18th re-released DSOTM CD. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/HabernFreeman/?chartstyle=LastfmLiveJournal"> 
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: June 21 2007 at 06:44
| Yeah, have to agree. I'm disappointed they didn't put much rare material on this Piper set. There is a wealth of previously unreleased material out there from this era and all they put on the 3rd disc AFAIK was singles that had been out on that 'First Three Singles' set and alternate takes of 'Apples and Oranges' and 'Interstellar Overture'- is it only me that has no real interest in these 'alternate takes'?? I've rarely heard one that wasn't inferior to the take which was widely released. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 21 2007 at 07:03
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^ Yep, I don't think that there is much "new" old Floyd out there, not that there was very much in the first place. I'd like to see some of the old bootlegs (sorry RoIOs) being aquired by EMI and given a proper (Gilmour-remastered) release. I'd quite like a legal version of Ravin' an' Droolin' and the full length Embryo ------------- What? |
Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: June 21 2007 at 09:30
| I don't mind it Erik, We all have a choice ourselves here. I have all the regular stuff from Floyd, but not collections like "Great dance songs" or obscure bootleg material etc. I also don't have Live at Pompeii i need to pick this up asap it's marvellous. |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 21 2007 at 09:39
| Yes, it all is just a money grab. The trick is if you don't feel comfortable about buying it or suspect foul play, go with your gut feeling. The point of marketing is to manipulate you think believing that this product is something you need. If you don't feel good about, don't allow yourself to be used like that. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: June 21 2007 at 10:07
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In fact we depend on the bootleg market, very flourishing in the case of Pink Floyd, even The Wall is on DVD in a good version. When can we expect a legal The Wall DVD, when will EMI decide to treat us on that? Of course it will be released with interesting 'new old'' footage in order to compete with the The Wall bootleg market versions!
By the way, look at this:
http://www.petitiononline.com/livewall/petition.html - http://www.petitiononline.com/livewall/petition.html
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Posted By: febus
Date Posted: June 21 2007 at 11:16
Nobody is forcing anyone to buy a new Cd edition with a gun on our heads!!
 You want to buy or may not! that's it!
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: June 21 2007 at 13:07
| Yeah Febus, life is that simple ..... |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:20
signed
 ...not to mention the complete Zabriskie Point sessions and The Massed Gadgets of Auximines: The Man and The Journey project. See, much more interesting than re-mastering something that probably doesn't need remastering anyway. ------------- What? |
erik neuteboom wrote:Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:23
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: June 21 2007 at 18:34
I don't know what to say, fellow Dutchman  !
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: June 22 2007 at 05:08
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What I find strange with the Floyd re-releases, is that for the 25th anniversary of Piper, the original mono mix was re-released in a special box set, along with a 6-track EP entitled 'The first 3 singles'. I did hope they would do the same with Saucerful (as the only other album to be originally released in both mono and stereo mixes). But it never happened. 'Point Me at the Sky' still remains the only track not released (officially) on CD outside of the 'Shine On' boxed set. Other tracks many Floydians would still love to see released are of course, 'Scream Thy Last Scream' and 'Vegetable Man'. ------------- "Christ, where would rock & roll be without feedback?" - D. Gimour |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 22 2007 at 08:16
my opinion and reaction...sure... wow Erik.... that must have been one hell of a good vacation you had  ...people get older... and money looks a lot more attractive than being poor and sticking your middle finger up at society. What's the harm.... if you want them... you'll shell out the bucks ... otherwise we'll enjoy the old Floyd albums that we still overpaid for. |