your 5 worst prog artists
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Topic: your 5 worst prog artists
Posted By: greenback
Subject: your 5 worst prog artists
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 17:45
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let's say they must have made 5 records or more! 1-van der graaf generator 2-peter hamill 3-patrick moraz 4-can 5-neu! not to mention radiohead, godspeed you black emperor (4 albums ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
) and captain beefheart.Replies:
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 18:05
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Good topic idea Greenback 1. Magma And I'm going to have to echo the nomination of Patrick Moraz' solo career |
Posted By: Matt0001
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 18:21
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Great topic, but, boy, do we have opposite tastes. My worst five (of bands listed in the archives) 1. Styx 2. Kansas 3. Emerson, Lake, and Palmer 4. have I said Styx already? 5. Styx |
Posted By: Vegetableman
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 18:24
Hmm I like everything here, except for Moraz of course. Starcastles pretty bad. But I usually tend to stay away from the bad stuff so I can't name any others. ------------- "Mister Fripp, your music is quite different than everything else out there. In one word, how would you describe it?" "Progressive.... yeah, that's it..." |
greenback wrote:Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 18:25
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don't get me wrong: Moraz is an awesome keyboards player! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 19:51
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1. Crass 2. Briney Spears 3. Cliff Richard 4. Richard Clayderman 5. Triumvirat |
Posted By: John Gargo
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 20:11
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Kansas and Emerson, Lake, and Palmer in a list of worst prog bands?!?! I suppose I am in the wrong forum.... |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 20:18
richard, you only have 1 prog artist! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 20:20
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Hey Useful Rick Wakeman's solo career? What about:
That 5 albums are outstanding, I know he has a lot of boring New Age, but he has other good albums too IMHO. Magenta is a matter of taste, some poeople love them, others hate them, that's natural My votes:
Iván PS: Isn't it funny to notice that almost all the people with an ELP related avatar hate Triumvirat? Not offence please, only noticed it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Lunarscape
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 20:28
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This is a pretty negative thread and will give margin for more brawls. I Totally disagree with Wakemans solo career; more than 25 albums some pretty fantastic and ok there are some crappy ones among them. Patric Moraz you gotta be kidding ! Triumvirat ELP ___________ Lunar ------------- Music Is The Soul Bird That Flies In The Immense Heart Of The Listener . . . |
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 20:32
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Hey Lunar, Rick has more than 125 albums, and I agree some are fantastic. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 20:34
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i like starcastle, it is fun Aaron |
Posted By: Lunarscape
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 21:33
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Ivan...I missed the 1 in front of 25.... Starcastle had some great songs but was slaugthered by the midia as Yes clones (unfair) just like Triumvirat with the ELP clone stamp. _______ Lunar ------------- Music Is The Soul Bird That Flies In The Immense Heart Of The Listener . . . |
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 21:59
GTR? that's too easy: they don't have 5 albums! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 23:21
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1. Can ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 00:39
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1. Saga 2. Tangerine Dream..way over-rated 3. Styx 4. Yes...I do not get the facination with these guys 5. Captain Beefheart...just too much for me to handle there. |
Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 00:49
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Emerson, Lake and Palmer Kansas Styx can't think of any others ... |
Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 00:49
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oooh, just noticed we have the same list |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 00:53
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that's completely crazy! I thought the least favorite prog bands would be more unanimous than the most favorite ones! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 00:57
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well... i don't know that many non-famous prog bands (even among prog fans). I'm sure a lot of the artists included on the archives are really bad, but i've never heard them. |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 00:59
Thats probably because you're the same person...
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 01:01
Six Wives is decent, but I would never proclaim it outstanding. I do know that Journey to the Center of the Earth made me laugh out loud, and that kinda made me lose faith in Rick. |
Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 01:08
How does Toto fit in that list? |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 01:11
I've never liked them... and they think they're prog whether or not anyone else does... ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 01:13
hahaha, they actually do? |
Posted By: Mategra
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 02:27
Dream Theater, Enchant, Jadis, Landmarq, Arena, Symphony X, Triumvirat... may also "qualify", but I haven't listened to them enough to tell. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 02:34
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1. ELP (So much music, so little worth listening to) 2. Rush (Just SHUT UP ALREADY!) 3. Dream Theatre (Well, I just don't dig prog metal that isn't PoS really) 4. Glass Hammer (Pure unadulterated CHEESE) 5. Genesis (Quite simply, o-v-e-r-r-a-t-e-d) |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 04:28
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Although I agree with Dream Theater,to include ELP,Genesis and Rush is laughable.Why do you bother even coming here? |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 04:41
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I'm with Useful here.Rick's solo output,with the exception of Six Wives,is just plain embarrassing. Journey TTCOTE and Arthur make me laugh out loud too! RichardH: It is a testimony to the eclectic nature of Progressive Rock that some of the "big-hitters" are disliked by many of the members.It is a matter of taste.Why should it be unacceptable to dislike Rush,ELP and Genesis,but OK to hate Dream Theater,Triumvirat and Amon Duul?
My major dislikes at the moment are The Mars Volta (what a racket!),Jethro Tull (hey nonnie-nonnie) and Echolyn (much ado about nothing?). This is personal opinion ie,my taste. ------------- 
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 04:51
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I can't think of any bad bands There is something good in all music, even Dream theater isn't all bad ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 04:51
Because I am a huge fan of progressive rock, maybe? |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 05:25
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Couldn't say which I think are the worst prog artists. There are tracks by numerous prog artists that I dont like, but because I have disliked them so much I have never gone on to investigate anything else they did. For this reason I cant make a sound judgement. I like prog rock to be played well, produced well and to meet the high standards set by many of the old masters. If it doesn't grab me in these respects very early on, I tend to give up on the artist in question.
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Posted By: Pixel Pirate
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 06:19
You've hit the nail on the head with Tangerine Dream,Gdub. A very over-rated band indeed.
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Posted By: Beau Heem
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 06:23
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Ah... Such a nice thread... There is only so much one can dislike, eh? Too bad that we are only asked for five - I could probably list up to 130 prog artists/bands that I have a distinct dislike for... hmm... 5 it is. Dream Theater Druid Symphony X Thinking Plague Asia From those five, i think that Thinking Plague is the only goup which has its moments... Cheers -Beau ------------- --No enemy but time-- |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 06:46
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This is funny. Wakeman, Jethro Tull, Genesis, Yes, among the worst artist? I don't understand a thing. Its ok to dislike them, but deni its musical quality is outreogeous. But since everybody is entitled to an opinion, here I go: -Stix -Asia -Mostly of neo.prog / prog metal. ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 06:56
I'm not a fan of "avant-guard" prog - thus the first THREE ! Purely subjective of course - some people list Rush/Genesis/Yes/ELP/IQ/Dream Theater...Now that is CRAAZEEE - Coz these bands must have done material that appeals to almost any prog-fan because they are so main-stream.... ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 07:04
But that's the whole point, Swinton! A lot of prog fans (myself included) love prog because it's a way of ESCAPING mainstream music. I never really cared about music until I discovered prog, and the reason was that I find mainstream music extremely boring. Rush, Genesis, ELP, etc don't really appeal to me for that very reason. There's nothing exciting about them. Personally, I'm dismayed to see the likes of Magma, VDGG and Thinking Plague being listed as they're the kind of groups that hold interest for me (though they're all quite 'dark' in their sound, and I should point out that I don't just listen to 'dark' music - I'm a huge Canterbury fan, for example). So yes, I'm rambling, but my point is this - not everyone wants simple, mainstream music. This is why progressive music can be so wonderful. |
Posted By: Mategra
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 08:02
Genesis, Yes and, to some extent, ELP do appeal to me. Rush, IQ and DT do not appeal to me. Main-stream? I don't think it's the right word. But to my ears Rush and DT play generic and derivative hard-rock/heavy metal with some nods towards prog/art rock (with annoying vocals to boot). The same goes for mostly all prog metal bands. And IQ's music and similar neo-prog (Marillion and It Bites are exceptions) just doesn't grab at all (actually, I think that kind of music is pretty annoying). |
Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 08:10
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1. dream theatre (get lost!!!!) PLEASE please be kind after reading my opinions
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Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 08:19
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Radioactive - Your dislike covers a whole range of music there ! Does all DT, ELP, Porcupine, Saga, Marillion deserve your disdain - In my list I Have stated that the dischord of Bands like VDGG tends to put-me off, I am not ELP's biggest fan but they have produced some top-notch prog moments non-the-less ! ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 08:34
Then evidently you have your own definition of what prog rock is!! ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 08:38
You're right.. And elp.. yes they do!.. but really not for me!.. steve wilson? please.. he's just making money.. not music! dream theatre? look at me.. playing guitar like no-one has ever done before!!!! (music??) saga + marillion? not bad .. Just not an personal fav... I guess -------------
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Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 09:18
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I haven't heard Saga for a long while.....I used to like it when in my teens - I may get around to listening to it - But I have a problem at the moment - trying to sample as many prog artists as possible -thus I spend all my time listening to new things ! Warning - That Mars Volta new CD - The first two tracks were so weird I had to listen to some Classical music to re-assure my brain that I hadn't developed tinitus.....How naybody can enjoy such noise is worrying - I'm definately keeping the CD handy though - to frighten my wife/kids with when they peck-my-head...... ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 10:42
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My 10 worst prog artists : Frank Zappa Gentle giant Mostly autumn (where is the link with prog ?) Karnataka (very far from the lush music of Clannad or Iona) The tangent / Karmakanic Soft Machine Satellite Lizard Anglagard Sinkadus
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 11:32
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I agree with Mirco, one thing is not to like ELP, Genesis or Yes, but not recognizing their quaslity is incredible IMO. Iván
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 12:18
I'll take your word for that Reed ,but I don't understand it,even on the issue of taste.To me it's like claiming to be a fan of football and then claiming that Man U,Chelsea and Arsenal are rubbish. |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 12:24
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first of all, i must say this exercise is very representative of our personality! second of all, i was right: "for every band, there is at least one hater!" Should i rectify: "for every record...." finally, i've just learned much more about you in this thread than any other time! IT IS YOUR SIGNATURE! and Swinton, man, we have many points in common: you hate VDGG, godspeed and mars volta, and you like many bands i like!! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
however, there are some excellent avant garde stuff: i recommend you univers zero: i think you should like it!Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 12:45
 Gentle Giant? What kind of drugs are you on Lucas?
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 12:56
Reed you noticed the folkie, Fairport Convention cover featured prominently there - suggests Lucas might have found his way on to the wrong discussion group..................... |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 13:08
that it's too much to handle for you, that means Captain Beefheart is one of the worst prog bands? |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 13:12
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Gentle Giant one of the worst prog bands, Lucas? Soft Machine? Man, you hate all my favourite bands, don't you? And, what?! FRANK ZAPPA?! [NO COMMENTS ON THAT ONE] How about MARILLION?
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Posted By: AngelRat
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 13:27
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Actually life is too short to hate, there is a time and a place in this universe for everything. But in an attempt at some serious information, I must admit not being too fond of Styx, Cairo, The Flower Kings and I think other people rate Spock's Beard much higher than I ever would. -------------  |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 13:34
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Rick Wakeman solo Spock's Beard Glass Hammer Dream Theatre Styx Thet're about the only ones I can think of where I honestly don't like a single thing they've done - and I sometimes think that Spock's beard and Glass Hammer are actually the same band. Most of my favourites, particularly Magma and Can, seem to be getting dissed left, right and centre. Oh well, you can lead neo prog fans to music but you can't make them think. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: JrKASperov
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 13:38
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Marillion (empty) Asia (pop) Dream Theater (fake) I don't know anything else that bores me. YET  ------------- Epic. |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 13:39
Yes, most people who hate those bands, just don't "get" their music... I'm afraid it's too hard to understand for them... same goes for Zappa, Beefheart and lots more... |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 14:16
No it is not the same at all Richard! You can see that say, Man Utd are better than Liverpool if they have beat them and are a higher position in the league.Even then do you remember the taunts of boring,boring Arsenal when they won the league under George Graham?The merit of one band over another is even more difficult to define: Musicianship? Steve Vai is technically superior to most (Prog) guitarists yet how many here rate his music?Or acknowledge that he actually creates music? Album sales: we all know that popularity is not necessarily a sign of quality. It is a matter of taste.Even Genesis-if you hate their music you entitled to think they are inferior.I hate Steve Vai's music and he can have all the talent in the world,but to me as a recording artist he is a waste of talent-so i write him off.
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Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 14:24
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Is Steve Vai like Joe Satriani - He was supposed to be the finest Guitarist and all that - But I found his music about as appealing as having an angry funnel-web spider inside my gruddies..... ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 14:34
Just my tastes Joren.....chill!! |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 14:37
You Know what Joren...strike Capt Beefheart....I forgot about Spock's Beard... |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 14:40
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that's a better idea, yes!
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 14:40
Goodness me you're right! Just taking a look in my currently shared mp3 folder I see how mistaken I am! That's a fine collection of hip hop and r n' b if ever I saw it!  |
Posted By: The Owl
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 15:19
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1) ELP after Brain Salad Surgery 2) Marillion 3) Flower Kings 4) Rick Wakeman's solo output (pure CRAP!) 5) Soft Machine after #5 - BOOOOORRRRRRIIIINNNNNGGGG!
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Posted By: Wrath_of_Ninian
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 15:53
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For what its worth: 1. Kansas (last time I trust Progarchives reviews...beyond compare and one of the worst bands I've ever heard. Ever.) 2. Dream Theater (Oh God......) 3. Renaissance (Just cant understand why they were ever popular. At all. Utterly bland, monodynamic, and downright tedious. Still holds the record for the shortest time I've owned an album - their Anthology. It took 3 days to shift it on eBay - I listed it within hours of its arrival. Never have I been as sure about anything...although Colosseum came close to the same fate, I had to listen to it twice before selling it on.) 4. Asia (Prog gone wrong....everything that was bad about prog rock - that hadn't already been achieved by Kansas...) 5. Radiohead (music for sham american pseudo-philosophical sit coms (Dawson's Crack etc.) - picture any great-looking rich teenager sitting at the bottom of some spiral stairs beneath a chandelier, depressed coz some equally good-looking zoom-dweeby just dumped him/her - esprit de Radiohead....) ------------- "Now all the seasons run together, and the middle days are gone..." |
Posted By: JrKASperov
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 16:12
Amen, to both. ------------- Epic. |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 17:02
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Posted By: FloydWright
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 17:05
Let him alone; I don't even really KNOW any of those bands well (GASP!!!!!) but I still write reviews and enjoy many OTHER prog bands. I don't think there should be some kind of entry test (You must enjoy THESE particular bands!) in order to post/contribute here. |
Posted By: FloydWright
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 17:12
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1. Jordan Rudess (I can't find it in myself to disparage the rest of the band by associating them with this loser)
2. Styx 3. The Moody Blues. It was good for a few albums. Then it got old really fast. Way too syrupy-sweet...blehhhhhhh. ... I'm sure I'll come back with more later. |
Posted By: Lunarscape
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 18:41
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They are....British football is a joke, one stolen FIFA World Cup Title in 1966 and nothing else. This forum is becoming more and more a fan site where people stop sharing information on Prog Rock and instead defend their own taste with childish passion. All the mainstream bands have been mentioned in this "I hate" thread except from Camel and Focus. Maybe these 2 bands werent big enough to be hated, and the feeling I get is that the Prog Metal fans "pick" on the old-time Prog Rock bands and Prog Rock fans hates these Metal bands....Denying the technical quality of bands mentioned (Genesis, Yes, ELP, King Crimson, Moody Blues, Rick Wakemans solo career, Patric Moraz, Frank Zappa, Jetro Tull et all) is IMO pretty foolish, and isnt this thread being used to pick on eachother ? Pixel; Tangerine Dream is overrated allright, its because only 2-3 forum members have heard the whole discography and can really discuss any matter concerning the band. Maybe you and I are the only ones that know as a fact that Edgar Froese is 100 times a more refined guitar player than David Gilmore. ______ Lunar
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 18:46
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That says nothing about your definition, just what you've tried....and evidently not what you liked ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 20:04
you forgot rule #1: If you don't consider ELP the best band ever you don't belong here (because you have no music taste and/or are too stupid for their music). |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 20:54
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Posted By: Cinema
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 02:44
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My worst of the worst:
1. ELP 2. Styx 3. Van Der Graff Generator 4. Frank Zappa 5. Starcastle |
Posted By: Pixel Pirate
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 03:55
Yes,Lunar I was just joking. ------------- Odi profanum vulgus et arceo. |
Posted By: Lunarscape
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 04:08
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 04:25
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The boredom has ended and a bit of life has returned to the forums. Phew:I thought we'd lost it for a while!!! The "civility thread" is all well and good but it makes for boring,non-confrontational platitudes.Prog music is not about that-it is about passion,conflict and over-indulgence. Let the blood flow,let the blood flow................................ -------------
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 05:43
Well, if you were to look up the majority of those artists on this site you'd find them, but if that doesn't satisfy you then I'll give it a go: For me, Progressive Rock is not a genre. It is freedom from such tired boundaries. It's musical liberation - artists creating the music they want to create, without giving a toss as to what the record companies want. But obviously it's not as simple as that. No doubt some musicians want to play typical music from this genre or that, and if they're happy doing that then leave them to it, say I. But to really begin making prog first an artist has to be free from the restrictions of categorisation. They need to be able to use whatever styles, whatever instruments, whatever compositional techniques they wish. Secondly, they need to be DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. And that's the big one for me. Progressive music is about originality and experimentation. Pushing the boundaries, testing the water. Now, the whole argument of "Well, if that's what you think then every time a band sounds the same on two records they stop being Prog" is misguided and rendundant. The fact is that group has already done it! They've created a new sound, all of their own! Why on Earth should they change it? Why not just explore it a little deeper? Gentle Giant being a fantastic case in point. They didn't stop being Progressive after Octopus, because their sound didn't alter particularly until several albums later. They stopped when they STOPPED PLAYING UNUSUAL MUSIC. That's all Prog really is. It's the pioneering spirit. The "f**k the lot of you! I'll play what I want!" attitude. Now, I have never once doubted that ELP or Genesis have played some Prog in their time. One listen to Brain Salad Surgery or Supper's Ready certainly dispells that theory. BUT I don't really like them. I'll explain why. Firstly, ELP: 1. Their Interesting to Cheesey ratio I find personally quite poor. 2. Personally, I find Greg Lake to be quite an unexciting musician. He's a capable bassist, he's a tolerable singer, he's a lousy lyricist. 3. Emerson's keyboard style leaves me cold, quite frankly. Big showy arpeggio runs, comparatively simplistic melodies. He's good at what he does, but what he does I don't much care for. 4. Overall they come across as being quite vacuous and, dare I say it, unartistic. It's rather a case of style over content, I feel. No bones to pick with Carl, but he certainly doesn't make up for the many faults I find in their output. Genesis: 1. Their overall sound is cold and listless. It does NOTHING for me. 2. I didn't live in the 70's, I never saw the shows, and though they were no doubt a fantastic spectacle, that doesn't make up for the fact that: 3. Their overall sound is cold and listless. It does NOTHING for me. 4. Phil Collins. 5. Phil Collins. 6. Their overall sound is cold and listless. It does NOTHING for me. So, there we are. I've stated my case quite clearly. I'd be extremely grateful if you could leave me alone now, threefates. I KNOW you will disagree with about much of what I've said, but please can't we agree to differ? We're from different sides of the spectrum (it's a big old world of prog, remember). You like the pomp and the spectacle and will take the Big Names from the time any day. I like the obscuriosities (sorry, but I think that's a lovely made up word and it stays) and oddities in prog. The strange music. Music that truly boggles the mind. I couldn't give a toss about how many records they sold. All I am asking as that you RESPECT my opinion and stop accusing me of not being a real prog fan. 90% of the music I listen to is categorised as prog. And I listen to a lot of music. That, I think you'll find, makes me a Prog fan, regardless of ELP. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 11:34
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 12:26
About GG : I never said they are a 'crap' band. I just don't like them. The main reason are the vocals (not the canon vocals that are subtely arranged) but the main vocals, which are some of the less agreable I have ever heard, the music is however OK, although a bit dated at times. I prefer listen to troubadour music from the Middle-Age than their music. About Zappa : first, I don't understand why he dares to sing on his albums, there is nothing mesmerizing in his vocals. Second, his guitar solos are boring (although he is a very good guitarist) and don't sound very pleasant to my ears (you know, I like when the music doesn't hurt my ears). About Soft Machine : terrible vocals and lack of cohesion, music that drummers can enjoy but otherwise I don't think it's the kind of music that you want to listen to for your pleasure. About Marillion : I discovered prog with Fish-era Marillion and I still listen to them with a great pleasure. The first four Marillion albums are simply amazing, in terms of vocals, music and lyrics. And once more, I don't judge an album regarding its degree of complexity (although for me the more an album is complex and weird, yes that's the word, like it's the case for most of the RIO releases, the less I want to listen to it). But you are right, the current works of Marillion are pure crap, the magic of their earlier albums has definitely disappeared. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 12:35
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Glad to see I am not the only to confess not to like Zappa. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 12:43
with starcastle, the only problem i see is the real to reel album VDGG?-------> ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: JrKASperov
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 13:13
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Ahum, you can talk about liking and not liking but THATS NOT WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT! Now, you CANNOT say Frank Zappa is the worst, neither of GG, if there were any bands that would rate highest on quality of musicianship it's these two. You cannot dismiss Zappa as a brilliant composer because he wrote every single one of his albums! That's more music than the 5 seminal prog bands TOGETHER! Now, GG are amazing, when you see them live on one of their DVD's you cannot dismiss that they still play as tight as too hot washed jeans. They do what they did on their albums, which was amazing already, and improve on it! I have not heard anything like Yes do that.  ------------- Epic. |
Posted By: Metropolis
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 13:21
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Magellan really suck, i downloaded an album of theirs after amazon recommended them to me and it was just. Complete rubbish. ------------- We Lost the Skyline............ 
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Posted By: FloydWright
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 16:35
Oh for God's sake. I really wonder if some progheads just resent having different types of fans come by, with different tastes from theirs. They seem to think it's like having rednecks in the country club. 
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 16:37
That post was a joke. It was a jab at the ELP fanatics on here who go crazy whenever the band gets mentioned in any kind of a negative light. |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 17:50
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I would list something here but most of it would be when prog took a bad turn in 1978-80. SO lets just say that the genre sucked for a while.
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 17:59
You mean when Yes,Kansas,Genesis and ELP all went off the rails,never to recover? Yes,Kansas,Genesis and ELP,bizaarely accounted for the some of the best and worst of the genre during their careers.I would rather listen to the whole 15 hours of Topographic Oceans than listen to any of Cash Generator,Lost Our Touch,Venereal Confessions or Love Bitch.
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 18:03
No, I agree and by Kansas you can add Powerless 1984 and In the Spirit of Things that have nothing to do with our glory days 1987 to that list too. Nothing but crap. But they did recover somewhat with Somewhere to Elsewhere.
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 18:46
Maybe,but by then you were the only one left who cared-including the band! -------------
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 18:53
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Not quite, they are doing a Europeon tour this summer. Somebody over on your side of the water cares. Mostly Germany and Spain dates Kansas future is in it's past and it's called Proto-Kaw http://www.Protokaw.com - WWW.Protokaw.com
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 18:56
Yes I was just in the process of aquiring some when S******k went haywire on me and deleted all my UserList contacts... -------------
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 19:06
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I didn't like much Kansas after the first 2 albums! They went too much 'AOR' with Leftoverture and beyond.How can any of that compare with Death of Mother Nature Suite or Song For America? Anyway I revise my top five 'worst' prog list to include 5 actual prog bands: 1 Triumvrat (Supposed German ELP clones who have as much 'progressiveness' as Andrew Lloyd Webber 2 Dream Theater (just got bored with them) 3 Pallas (Based on seeing them live last year.My ears are still hurting.) 4 Transatlantic (too boring and 'nice'.'Prog by numbers') 5 Fish era Marillion (Albums gathering prodigious amounts of dust on my shelves)
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 19:11
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 19:23
Can't argue with you too much although I think Mysteries and Mayhem/The Pinnacle off Masque are pretty good and maybe the best prog they ever recorded. Then Miracles out of Nowhere and Magnus Opus on LO and one of my all time faves is Hoplessly Human off Point of No Return. Check out PK though Richard you might like them better. In fact Death of Mother Nature Suite was written by that Line up. As was Incomudru, Belexis, Apercu and Myriad. Oh, also if you like that particular era of Kansas check out the taped Kirshner shows on the Sail On dvd.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 19:35
I never got Masque,maybe I'll give it a go.'Magnum Opus' just sounds like some odd bits and peices that have been stuck together.I suppose it is like ELP in a way so I should like it
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Posted By: kniprekcor
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 20:06
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just ELP
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 21:09
MAN! This could almost be my top 5 prog artists!! now i know why richard snobs me (and me too!) ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: Gaston
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 21:36
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Actual worst prog (styx isn't prog so they can't be listed): 5. Pain of Salvation - gives me the creeps 4. Phil Collins - I mean, it's not the real him... when did invasion of the body snatchers come out, '78? Yeah that sounds about right... 3. Mostly everything from the 80's 2. Roger Waters - destroyed Pink Floyd from the inside and made horrible albums he would've made them make (thankfully that's why he's #2 and not #1) because 1. Everything that gets called prog that isn't. How many bands are #1 worst prog now? Tonnes on this website alone...
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Posted By: hightea
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 22:51
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For the haters of Zappa and Tangerine Dream you actually hate them so much that you sat down and listened to all their albums to make sure you didn't miss one? I can understand the young pup who doesn't like Genesis. If my first taste of Genesis was 1980's or Phil solo it could leave a bad enough taste in my ears to never be able to get over it. Not sure I could answer this thread fairly because I would only list a band thats had at least four or five albums and with all the music I like I don't have the patience to sit thru 5 bad albums I just move on. I'm sure I'm missing some great albums because of it put that's life. Damn I listen to way many different types of music to dwell on sh*t from one gene like prog. If I was to guess what would be my least favorite it would be prog metal only because what I've heard I like very little.
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 23:39
Who can hate Zappa & TD and know most of their records? Certainly not me! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: aqualung28
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 01:18
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Styx ------------- "O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love 'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |