Meshuggah?
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Topic: Meshuggah?
Posted By: P.H.P.
Subject: Meshuggah?
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 22:03
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Ok I must say I don't really like Meshuggah's music, I don't think they're Prog at all, they're just a metal band, and pity we found them in a "Prog site", I don't think they have much to do here, I really think they do belong to metal sites only, it's just too noisy and pointless stuff to me, some people even say they're some sort of "avant-metal" but I don't quite agree with that, in fact there are plenty of much better metal bands to check out, IMO. (This is not a hate-poll  , I just want to know what's your thinking about Meshuggah )Now, what do you think of them? |
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Posted By: #1floydfan
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 22:06
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well there deffinatley prog... im not a huge fan but there not bad a little to "hardcore" for me... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/jimbobismykitty/?chartstyle=basicrt10 - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/basicrt10/recenttracks/jimbobismykitty.gif - |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 22:20
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Definitely a progressive metal band, and yeah they are one of the finest out there. One of my all time favorites. They are clearly not foe everybody. What other progressive metal bands do you like (that is if you even like one)? What albums have you heard from Meshuggah so far? ------------- 
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Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 22:24
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umm... Catch 33 anybody? I love it. I think it kept them progressive. I think the only issue I had with them was the vocals, too "hardcore".... But I got used to them, and now I realize that I wouldn't want them to sound any different at all. I haven't heard "I" yet tho....... I really want to. ------------- 
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 22:24
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They are prog, they arn't the best, they arn't the worst, over all a good listen though they are hard to listen to for long periods of time, just to much for me. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 22:26
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whew... felt bad that there's a poll about meshuggah and that the first couple posts were sort of "negative", I had to say something.
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 22:30
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They're a Prog Metal band and a good one at that. They mix the qualities of math rock with the attitude of metal. I can see why you don't like them, but they're still prog (metal). ------------- 
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 22:32
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They are one of the very best metal bands ever if you ask me, and most definitly progressive! Even though their albums might get too long and they can get a bit irritating if one isnt totally up for them... other moments just shine... like "I", which as I have said many times before, is, for me, the ultimate metal song!
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Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 22:33
I identify with you on that one. When I start a Meshuggah album, I think "$%&# Yea! I love this band!", I can't wait for that noise to come out of the speakers. But after about an hour or so (especially on Chaosphere) I feel exhausted of the constant grind. But maybe that's what I like about them: to me they represent the idea of not compromising, being relentless, $&%#ing ostinato! -------------
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Proletariat wrote:Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 22:45
Haven't seen my post about Opeth?  well, I do like some metal and what I find to be really Progressive Metal bands, I must admit, but as I said I'm very selective with metal...andI can say, for my bad luck that I have heard several Messhuggah albums, destroy...,catch 33, nothing, chaosphere aaand "I"... I probably was expecting something else, because I didn't find anything to like in Meshuggah's "music", because most of times I can't say they're really musical, even for a metal band. |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 22:49
Chaosphere is my least favorite from them. It's an acquired taste for me. The first Meshuggah album that I bought was Destroy, Erase, Improve. It was like Pantera but much more complex, heavier and interesting. I was immediately blown away by the whole texture and feel of the album (I'm such a sucker for odd beats, ostinatos, technical improvisiations, heavy riffings) but was a bit turned off by the vocals. They opened the door for a wider genre of metal for me. I started liking stuffs from Opeth, Cynic and others which incorporate harsh vocals in their music, because of them.
Incidentally, King Crimson (amongst many others) had those long unnescessary random sounds, not as noisy but still. -------------
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 22:51
I suspect it's the lack of melody. Meshuggah is the antonym of that word.  -------------
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Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 22:53
Well, what do you consider music? We're talking about meshuggah here, we do need to define it. Many would just call it noise. I find the tension within the grind very musical. But no, they're not really musical in the same sense as other bands. Tool looks like Pink Floyd next to them.-------------
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 22:58
Deviant. Swedish. Audio. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 22:59
Hm, I do really think that the conception of what Prog music is has changed for bad through years (mostly in the last 20 years), probably that's what happens with this band, because to me they don't sound Prog at all, they are just metal and let me tell you something... among metalheads bands like these are rejected even hated, don't ask why, but metalheads must have their reasons to do so, think... but don't worry, the original Prog conception is still there present, and it's expressed through Prog purists to keep the original Prog Rock conception alive, which I really aprecciate, but if you ask me, I must admit, I'm not a purist in Prog music, though my tastes are highly focused in Prog music... |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:06
I know many people in the underground metal scene here in the Philippines who despise, reject and even hated Meshuggah coz of their association to the music we call progressive. -------------
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Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:14
Hmm, I'm talking about metalheads, not music haters, see there's no need to hate one style, unless you think that music is something to compete; see my own example, I don't like most punk and alternative music, but I simply don't hate it.  EDIT:...and probably metalheads dislike them because of their association with 90's alternative metal and of course "nu" metal, who knows, but I'm not exaggerating. |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:22
Believe me they are metalheads and they do love metal. What I'm trying to say is they (metalheads I know) somehow reject and even hated (like you said) Meshuggah because of them being labelled and sounding as progressive.
I'm not talking about music haters as well. Are we even on the same page here? You're contradicting yourself.  -------------
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:26
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I chose genius...and note that they aren't my favorite band and probably not even in my top 30.
They brought something new to the genre and their music revolves heavily around rythm and heaviness. The only downfall is that you have to be in one and only one mood to listen to them...'pissed off'. Most prog-metal bands mention them as in influence...they are a very influential band. To end this....they are an extremely unique band that blends simple bone crushing riffs, to very complex time signatures and has a Holdsworth infuenced guitarist (Fredrik Thordendal). The vocals and heaviness can be a turn-off to anyone...I wouldn't blame them anyway. |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:27
| Listen to 'Chaosphere' and 'I' for some top-notch prog-metal. |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:28
Depends on what metalheads you're talking about. I know a lot of them who don't think most prog metal bands are really metal. Most of them only want something to headbang to and, sadly, neither Messhugah or Prog Metal can help them with that. Perhaps that's why they dislike it.I'm talking about my own experience here, not trying to generalize or act serious.  -------------
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:30
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I mentioned this in a previous thread a couple of weeks ago, based on some recommendations on PA, I borrowed Catch 33 from my local library. I made it through about 5 of 6 songs before I had to turn it off. It was the most god awful thing I had ever heard. I love prog metal and I have no idea what that was but I certainly wouldn't call it prog metal. ------------- 
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Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:32
There's not one single reason to be hating Progressive music even if you're a metalhead, unless like I said you're a music hater instead... I don't think metalheads could see Prog in Meshuggah's music, and I'm not talking about kids with iron maiden or metallica t-shirts, those guys probably don't even know what's Prog about, I'm talking about more open-minded metalheads, real music aprecciators, and it's not about the age, it's about your honest interest in music, I believe. |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:35
I listen to them even in my happiest moments.
Incidentally, Coprofago ( which is almost a cloned Meshuggah band ) mentioned Allan Holdsworth as their biggest influnce.
Attention Deficit, aJazz-Rock Fusion band led by Alex Skolnick ( Alex Skolnick Trio) mentioned them (Meshuggah) as one of the primary inspiration for the album The Idiot King. -------------
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Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:38
Me neither! |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:40
Yeah....come to think of it, I listened to them after I aced my calc test....I was damn happy. |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:42
you should try not being so stuck up, my friends who wear iron maiden and metallica t-shirts know exactly what prog is, they like some of it (mainly Yes Rush KC Kansas and Pink Floyd) and the rest they dont find interesting at all, its just their taste that they like metal and not prog... after all you can mosh to metal, all you can do with prog is sit back and listen. Point is just because some one is a metalhead it dosn't mean they dont understand other music. mabe it is you who dosn't understand metal. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:50
Bands or band members could say anything about their "influences", but it doesn't matter that much who are you influenced by, what really matters is the factual music you do. and I don't think "pissed off" is a good mood for listening music, you'd better just listen to some noise instead, IMO. and I don't think they're influential in Progressive metal bands, oh and if you're talking about Dream Theater and what they did, they even said it as a joke, so I wouldn't consider that as a serious influence on DT's stuff. |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:50
I'm 24, married and I have an Iron Maiden and Metallica shirt ( Killers and Flaming Skull respecteively )
 I love metal as much as I love prog and do see progressive music in Meshuggah
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It's my open mindedness that led me to believe and hear prog in what they do. Otherwise, i shoulve confined myself in listening to Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Camel and other classic progressive bands.
Anyways, whatever floats our boat.
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:52
so i assume you throw on the merzbow or wolf eyes when your pissed off?
who cares what mood you listen to music in, after all sound is sound I like mine you like yours I say it's progressive and to tell the truth it will still be prog to me even if its not to you. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 27 2007 at 23:57
Yeah, sorry about that, but they asked me about what kind of metalhead I was talking about, not really generalizing, but that was a real life example... and I heartly disagree with that you said there, just take a look at 70's performances of any Prog ROCK band, and you'll see what I'm talking about. and me not understanding metal? once again, don't take me a Prog purist, because I'm not. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 00:00
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I haven't heard Merzbow yet. and quite frankly based on what I have heard on PA I am in no hurry to hear them. But when listening to Catch 33 I imagined that is what Merzbow must sound like, because this album was just noise to me. -------------
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Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 00:05
Well f--- them! -------------
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Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 00:05
Cheers for your love of Prog!  but it may not be reciprocal love with you and Prog, because he (Prog) knows you're thinking he is something that he's really not, hehe. |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 00:11
Yeah, whatever.Like I said, whatever floats yer boat. -------------
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Posted By: NotSoKoolAid
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 00:13
| There's not an option for me: Meshuggah is a band that is not related to prog - but that doesn't make them awful! Even at that I'm a little hesitant to call them "good" too. |
Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 00:17
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So far 6 people have voted for option 1: awful! so it's an option. maybe you could pick option 2, don't know... |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 00:17
and feed them fish?
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 01:10
It must be terribly convenient that prog is only what you think it is. But guess what, you don't get to decide what it is for anybody else. There is lots of prog that fits solidly in the prog definition that I don't like, but ...news flash, it does not stop being progressive because I don't like it. Saying Meshuggah isn't prog is like saying a school bus is no longer a school bus because it ran over you. You may not like that particular school bus anymore, but it's still a school bus.
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Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 01:36
Don't quite see your point, but in order to be coherent with what is known as Prog music, we must follow pre-established lines of what Prog music has been, because if we don't, we would just not be coherent and we wouldn't be able to relate this with that, and in this case of Meshuggah I think it's pretty arbitrary to call them Prog, because they don't follow any line delimited by Prog music through decades, and finally there's no link with Prog music, and the statement of Meshuggah being Prog doesn't obbey any logic, ergo it's a weak and inconsistant argument, so it's not about what I think, it's about a fact that is. |
Posted By: Asphalt
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 01:37
So.. ummm... what exactly is it that you are trying to prove here? You don't like Meshuggah. Ok, we got that. You don't hate it but know of people who hate it who you then acuse of not loving music even if you consider Meshuggah not to be music  . Ooook.... Moving on, you consider Prog Music whatever you decide it to be when excluding all music you don't like or don't consider progressive (umm... does that mean that because I haven't gotten into Gentle Giant or Tangerine Dream they're not Prog?)Meanwhile ignorant comments from everywhere keep you company (hey, if Meshuggah is noise, than Merzbow, which is also Noise, must sound the same; than than it means Yes and Pain of Salvation pretty much sound the same too, cause they're both Prog - or is it prog?! ) and you keep on telling us how you don't hate Meshuggah, but just consider it awful-awful music which should be banned from this site and possibly from everywhere around the world.  Look, sorry if I come off as an arrogant s.o.b., but you really should start being more open minded (the word gets thrown alot these days) and understand that you not liking a band means nothing beside you not liking a band. I too have a couple of bands I think don't belong on this site, but that's why we have a special sections of the forum for suggestions on here. As for the vote, I went with Good, they're overall a good metal band because it wasn't quite the most balanced poll I've seen. Probably the fact that Meshuggah have sprunged an entire mini-genre of metal would matter very little. |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 03:17
The more you write, the more wrong you are. It is not fact as you put it, it is opinion based on your own prejudice. If you want logic then read the definition section of the site: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp
"Some common, though not universal, elements of progressive rock include:"
I am not going to quote the entire list, you can read it yourself. But Meshuggah follow 7 of the 8 criteria listed. The only missing piece is inclusion of classical pieces, which is not found in a vast majority of prog/prog related music. So to say, "...they don't follow any line delimited by Prog music through decades" is, as you put it, "...a weak and inconsistant argument"
Now, my hypothesis of what you consider fact is: Meshuggah is not prog because the elements that make them prog are lost on you due to the fact you heard a sound that does not please you.
Like it or not, what is accepted in the field of Progressive music is not limited to Yes, Jethro Tull and ELP or bands that sound similar. It is, as the name implies, a progression. It can evolve from anywhere, any genre when artists refuse to be restrained by the boundaries of said genre. And the fact is, not every prog fan is going to like every prog band. I know I don't. As a matter of fact, there is much of Meshuggah I don't care for.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 03:27
That's a good one! (definitely progressive/avant spelling here)------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 03:32
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My opinion on them seems to go up and down often.
I havn't listened to an album of their for... must've been awhile since i don't remember. Guess it was this winter.
Anyway, so my opinion is now: "Just Fine, they are too noisy and pointless sometimes though"
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 07:06
You'd be surprise in how wrong you are. He sounds nothing like Meshuggah and they're a flower field compared to Merzbow.-------------
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 09:25
Yes, because when I say they are an influential band...I am just solely talking about there influence on dream theater, right? 
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 09:32
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As stated before, P.H.P., the more you write the more you are indeed wrong. I've heard DT mention Meshuggah a few times and I'm assuming you are talking about the DVD. Opeth Mikeal Afakafhsghsg is influenced by Camel...dunno how but he is...the factual music doesn't have an extreme amount to do with it. Old Porcupine Tree is associated with a lot of Floyd..listen to their previous 4 albums..you would never guess it.
I've been seeing a lot of kids on my campus walking around in Octavarium shirts....it's disgusting, you're not a DT newb too right? |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 09:42
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My absolute favorite metal band, as well as one of the most heavy, original and technically competent metal bands ever. Their songs are obviously carefully thought out and extremely well-composed. Those 'noisy' parts are meant to be there, and they fit perfectly and none of their material is weak or pointless. Of course, it's all a matter of taste (or moronic close-mindness) whenever people hate'em or like them. And they are progressive, notably I and Catch 33. Even their 1991 debut is quite proggy and is a awesome technical metal album overall with longer songs and frantic melody shiftings. I love this band! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 10:13
 clappies for you, sir. well said!
This is the essence of progressive music. Coming up with something new, expanding boundaries, finding a deeper level than your predecessors.
Bands that "follow the pre-established lines of what prog music has been" are not progressive at all, in fact they are regressing.
So Meshuggah is a prime example of progression in metal. There's something appealing to me about the sound of a giant steel furnace playing jazz... ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 10:42
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Obviously based on my previous post I am not an expert on Meshuggah given that I had only heard Catch 33 and I couldn't even finish it since I disliked it so much. This morning I listened to the 3 other songs that PA has for on-line streaming and they were slightly better than what I heard on catch 33. However, basically all that I was hearing was thrash metal, which is another subgenre of metal that I could never really get into (also not able to get into Black or Death Metal). Again probably because of the vocals. I prefer clean vocals to angry screaming/growling. At least with Opeth I like the music even though I can't get past the vocals. With Meshuggah the music doesn't really work for me either. Not being into thrash metal, I suppose that Meshuggah could be "progressive" for a thrash metal band but I haven't heard it in the small samples of their music that I have listened to. I am generally open minded to new ideas, but I suppose I have my self-imposed definition of what constitutes prog rock and prog metal and what I have heard from Meshuggah is outside of those limits. For those of you who enjoy Meshuggah, please continue to do so. Don't stop enjoying them on my account (not that you ever would).
Thing of interest to note: PA's definition of Prog Metal discusses how King's X is a representative on the mellow fringe of Prog Metal and Opeth and Meshuggah are representatives on the heavier fringe of prog metal. And yet, King's X is not on PA and was reportedly rejected by the prog metal team, but Meshuggah is included. A comparison of these couple of bands tell you just how expansive a genre Prog Metal is, and certainly create a great argument for the dreaded additional subgenres. There is a recent thread where this has been discussed in detail that everyone should participate in if you haven't already. -------------
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Posted By: activetopics
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 11:09
| meshuggah's wacky |
Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 11:35
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Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 11:57
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 12:22
1. Wow! 26% of poll voters share your opinion. Lets go ahead and ignore the other 74% since they do not.
2. You can't seem to wrap your mind around the concept of what is good is purely subjective. Countless prog bashers have proclaimed similar feelings about bands like Gentle Giant and King Crimson.
3. Taking statements to extremities such as, "So, you're proposing that EVERY band that scapes from doing commercial things or just do anything "not common" will be automatically Prog???" and using words like everybody, all and never are the foundations of specious logic and overall poor debating skill.
4. The bands on this site are decided by commitee, obviously they found enough of the elements mentioned to include them.
5. What you have created is nothing more than a hate thread, despite your thin disclaimer.
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 12:26
Oh well.... here we go again....
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 12:54
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You say music is about art....you even underlined the damn word. Then you say music should have harmony and melody...you underline those words as well.
For the 3rd time...the more you write the more it does not make sense. What the hell is wrong with you? |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 12:58
Fanboi!
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 16:36
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I love them, definitely prog in my opinion... just bought Rare Trax, a couple more EP's and my collection will be complete So the last option... genius in their own way, I've never heard anything like it and probably won't anytime soon. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 18:28
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Meshuggah are a complete waste of space. Third rate metal and not remotely progressive. Rammstein are more progressive and generally a lot better than Meshuggah. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 18:59
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Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 19:11
Why is art a "damn word" to you?? are J.Haydn, W.A.Mozart, Beethoven creations, damn to you too?? I just mentioned some of the attributes of "music", otherwise it would be just sounds or noise. |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 19:17
Yes specially on the EP True Human Design.
But like it or not, guys: Meshuggah are Progressive Metal.  -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 19:19
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Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 19:21
Ooh-Ooh Aah-Aah? EDIT: that single image reveals what you'll find in Meshuggah's stuff, a bunch of apes playing the "bad", and in fact that image doesn't look Prog at all!! they just look like death metal band cannibal corpse! the horror, the horror! |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 19:51
Then any further discussion with you is pointless. It has become tiresome to watch you talk yourself in circles.
 Good day. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 28 2007 at 21:28
I've argued and at least what I've said has a point: "Meshuggah aren't Prog", not like this last useless comment you posted, and listen to more Prog Rock, good day for you too. |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 00:10
Basing your judgments on pictures will do you no good.
.Don't you just love wacky pics? I do.
Tell me, what images look prog to you?:
You truly won't accept it that Meshuggah are actually progressive- Progressive Metal., and I'm cool with that, but hey like it or not, they sure are pogressive.Get over it.
PS: Cannibal Corpse aint death metal. -------------
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Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 00:38
This looks Prog:  ...don't you mean Meshuggah are just technical or complex or whatever? I will mantain my statement that there's no way I can relate them with Prog music... and yes, Cannibal Corpse are death metal, who said they aren't? |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 00:53
Adios! -------------
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Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 01:11
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Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 10:41
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Hm, this poll is stuck in 38 votes, it seems that Meshuggah's stuff doesn't appeal to the average Prog fan, maybe there's nothing to like for a Prog fan, maybe they're are right too. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 11:02
your point being....  ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: MAVIII
Date Posted: January 02 2008 at 06:19
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Well, Im jumping into the MOSH pit . . . (seeing it got started on my B-Day :D) This is a great band, but some of the arguments are moot. This is much like what happened to the axing of bands on Progulus.com that still is a HOT issue to this day . . . But Meshuggah stayed (even though its one of the MOST hated bands). I have a HUGE collection of Progressive Rock and Metal in my arsenal, as well as other types of music, from one extreme to another. But . . . I AM a Prog Head . . . for others to NOT like Meshuggah does not stop the fact that they ARE in a "SUB-GENRE'" of Prog, "Math Metal" I call it (As others) and it sure doesn't prevent me from being a Prog fan. This is a GREAT example why "Labels" are needed, they are NOT the pure sence of Prog, but a Sub-genre' of the form. As far as the Meshuggahners and the goofy Pic, THEY ARE GOOFY! They play with mathematical precision, yet don't take themselves seriously. But they are NOT Cannibal Corpse, THEY are not a Gore Metal band, on the contrary, the lyrics are introspective and esoteric. I guess we entered a Paradox, because how could I be judged if I listen to ELP, Rush, Sieges Even, Lemur Voice, Dream Theater, Yes, Kansas, Gentle Giant, Riverside, Fates Warning, PFM, Saga to Meshuggah, Realm, Spiral Architect, Death, Cynic, Twisted Into Form, Continuo Renacer', Disillusion to Peter Murphy, Bjork, Tori Amos, Edie Brickell & New Bohemians? (Variety anyone?) WE Proggers are GEEKS in the whole VAST configuration of things, WE dont matter to the world . . . but by God Im a Progger, what-ever "sub-genres" I like, but by definition- Progressive . . . breaking Rules and Molds. . . . and I sure am NOT the "average" fan thank God. I tell you what, I sure DO admit we all are elitest, why . . . have you heard of . . . RADIO? And if a Pic is going to determine WHAT is Prog, Meshuggah are Peter Gabriel fans. Anyone care to post their influences from the Destroy Erase Improve Album ;) See HOW silly the Meshuggahners are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XinscPufStY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XinscPufStY By the way, this sort of reminds me of a Progulus Thread: http://www.progulus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=149 - http://www.progulus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=149 "My opinion, is just a point of view, And your position, is the other side" -Fates Warning ------------- "Shapes and forms, against the norms..." And join the Prog Family: prOgulus.com |
Posted By: magnus
Date Posted: January 02 2008 at 13:28
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Thank you for resurrecting this thread, I was in need of a good laugh! I've seen my share of closed-minded, ignorant, misinformed, biased, prejudicial and stubborn people, but one example in this thread takes the cake! Meshuggah most definitely deserve their spot here on PA! ------------- The scattered jigsaw of my redemption laid out before my eyes Each piece as amorphous as the other - Each piece in its lack of shape a lie 
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Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: January 24 2008 at 00:19
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obZen!
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Posted By: MAVIII
Date Posted: January 24 2008 at 02:02
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YEAH! I cant wait . . . just too many months away!  By the way, if any of you are interested, 2 fellow Prog fanatics at http://www.progulus.com/rprweb/playing.php - Progulus.com have Blogs/Sites etc. for more prog discussions: 1. Neo-Classical Metal/Fusion: http://www.myspace.com/Neoclassicalfusion - http://www.myspace.com/Neoclassicalfusion 2. Prog: http://progrockin.blogspot.com/ - http://progrockin.blogspot.com/ ------------- "Shapes and forms, against the norms..." And join the Prog Family: prOgulus.com |
Posted By: Urs Blank
Date Posted: January 24 2008 at 05:24
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I don't know if it is really prog metal but one thing is sure these guys rock! It is sometimes hard for me to listen to a whole album, and I must admit I still don't get some of their songs but they offer a unique approach of extreme tech metal. I worship some of their works just for that reason. ------------- Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it. Salvador Dali. |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: January 24 2008 at 08:46
| I appreciate their technical abilities, but this sort of music is not really my bag. |
Posted By: riggsley
Date Posted: May 22 2008 at 23:55
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i honestly could care less if meshuggah is considered "prog"... i think a lot of people hold the term as some sort of way to define good and bad. that is not so... call meshuggah what you would like or say that they are not your cup of tea, but they are without a doubt the dominate band in the tech metal world. i hold them above every other band in the metal world for their talent, power, and the way they have changed by thinking about their music as a whole. not to mention they have completely destroyed my mind! |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: May 23 2008 at 00:14
| The problem with this poll is that it correlates their goodness with their progness. They're a great band, but not prog, so I can't honestly pick any answer. |
Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: May 23 2008 at 20:10
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semantics.... Hell no they are not a traditional 'prog' band. But progressive metal, yes. That label barely scratches the surface of what they are and what their music is. They have pushed things wayyyyyyyy further than most tech/metal/fusion bands. Virtually speaking, they are doing the same thing King Crimson has been doing their entire career, and what most of the praised 'prog' bands on this site have been doing in their glory years, which is: A) playing the music they want to play, with no compromises, B) make it f*cking difficult to imitate their identity and music by packing it with complexity and creativity, and C) create controversy among listeners, making people like P.H.P cry for their momma when they are faced with such groundbreaking music. I know its hard to like them (I had a very hard time with Chaosphere, which intro'ed me to Meshuggah), but they possess the same priorities, qualities and focus as any other extremely interesting art band, Gong included.... and the result is progressive music. -------------
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Posted By: MAVIII
Date Posted: May 23 2008 at 21:33
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DAMN STRAIGHT!!! and thats the truth . . . ppppppppppp! They talk about 4/4 like it was strumming an acoustic guitar. They may be a silly bunch of guys (thank God) but they just "think" on another level. What maybe complex and "thought out" to others, this stuff comes out of them like breathing. Destroy Erase Improve is what got me in the 1st 5 seconds of the 1st riffs of "Future Breed Machine" (when it was released), then the SOLO was like "Hey! thats Alan Holdsworth!", and the riffs at the 2nd stanza! The drums keep the time as the riffs by the Guitarists are chaotic, yet keep in time with the drums! then fall back into more concise riffage and Jazz precision drumming comenses . . . WTF! . . . I was hooked. And the lyrics, thought provoking and esoteric. Amazing bunch of Swedes. ------------- "Shapes and forms, against the norms..." And join the Prog Family: prOgulus.com |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 01:23
| Very good. I love that they're heavy as hell and still manage to have kick ass grooves. Fred's guitar work is pretty cool too. |
Posted By: MAVIII
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 14:06
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I had to put this up for the Meshuggahners, just too brilliant! http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Cvr_meshuggahmonsters.jpg - http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Cvr_meshuggahmonsters.jpg I've had this idea since their "Chaosphere" album: I want to reach Jim Henson Studios and Meshuggah, to MAKE a Video with spot on replicas of the band! Even have the little fuzzy version of Fredrik Thordendal doing his trademark "spinning" in place with his guitar! Can you imagine a muppet of Jens, this yellow bald headed muppet, with its mouth bobbing up and down (basically like Bert of Sesame Street) barking at a Mic! Maybe Haak should just be "Animal" with a bigger kit. Also see: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Meshuggah">http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Meshuggah ------------- "Shapes and forms, against the norms..." And join the Prog Family: prOgulus.com |
Posted By: PinkPangolin
Date Posted: May 26 2008 at 18:25
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my son's trying to get me into Meshuggah. What I've heard so far is obZen. Considering I don't like death metal vocals or too much bass-peddling, surprised to say I might actually like it. Doesn't really sound like what I think of Prog - more like a the sound a very heavy monster off the Lord of the Rings with big dangly jowels walking slowly along. Not exactly what I would play to my wife over a romantic dinner.... |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: May 26 2008 at 20:32
| I don't like the vocals at all. |
Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: May 26 2008 at 20:38
I prefer this album,  |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 14:41
as much as I love Meshuggah, only "I" beats this album. It is genius!!! ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
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