New bands'/artists' entries layout
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Topic: New bands'/artists' entries layout
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Subject: New bands'/artists' entries layout
Date Posted: November 08 2007 at 17:25
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Wow. M@X is cooking again. This time he baked a new layout for bands'/artists' entries. How do you like it? ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: November 08 2007 at 17:44
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I rather like it...
------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 08 2007 at 17:51
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I've just seen it for the first time and there are things I like and some I dont. I do like the fact that it shows the 5 most recent reviews for the selected artist but I dont like the loss of the listing of albums, replaced by n area that just has them grouped togethor, it just doesnt seem as neet.
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: November 08 2007 at 17:55
Yep, I think you're right. And you can't switch off showing the covers any more, it seems. ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
sleeper wrote:Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: November 08 2007 at 17:57
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I think it's awesome. I also love how prominent my review is right beneath the discography on Magma's page.  |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 08 2007 at 18:08
That's actually how artist discographies looked like a couple of years ago on this site, I remember. I agree that it's looks more lumpy, though I do like the other changes. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: November 08 2007 at 19:25
Agreed. Messy and inconvenient.  I also hate the huge prominent Ebay ad. The bio part looks nice though. (glass half-full concession.) ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: November 08 2007 at 19:30
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There's one more thing I noticed. Take this for example: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2489 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2489 . Look at the bottom of the bio (the discography part)...
------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: jikai55
Date Posted: November 08 2007 at 22:04
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I don't like how the albums look now, I like everything else though. ------------- 
I like cheese and I like metal! --Mikael Åkerfeldt |
Posted By: Magic Mountain
Date Posted: November 08 2007 at 22:34
| I miss knowing the number of ratings for each album. Could you please add that underneath each rating? |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 04:05
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I just noticed the changes, I love how the biography is layered, I think that, on the big artists, the number of E-bay offers is a bit too much, plus I believe that the listing of the album does indeed need some structuring. Besides a flow which to be convenient and tasteful to the eye, I think listing the albums should also remain a chronological business. I mean, just look at Tangerine Dream, it's a mess.  Most highly rated albums should not be taken out, whilst I agree with the suggestion of keeping the "number of reviews" small paranthesis.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 04:38
I like the new layout, especially the division between different types of records. The last 5 reviews is also very convinient to see. 
However, the discography part is in need of improvement. Besides the "popularity" order, I would also like to see the option to switch to chronological order.
E-bay part indeed in some cases is clogging the space more than necessary...
 Otherwise, it looks better.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 04:51
| Though I do like it for the most part, like others before me, I have to say I don't care for the ads at all. Perhaps there is no way to avoid them, but in my humble opinion it would be great to see those entries free of things that have nothing to do with them (and I'm not referring to E-bay in this case). |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 04:51
What a surprise - I didn't know about plans to change the layout  Looks pretty good in summary 'ebay auctions' is not necessary at all.To have an option for a chronological order of the complete albums would be nice indeed ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 05:05
It looks good, but it does need some feng-shui.  ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 05:09
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i agree with two points mentioned above: 1. the sum of reviews is missing 2. i like it better in chronological order other than that it's ok... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 05:22
Videos should be below the more important discography ....  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: syfon
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 06:00
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Ok, please tell me that i can change back discography and see albums by date of reliesing. If not, this is my goodbye to progarch becouse now it is completely useless. ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 06:17
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wow.... well since I made it to SC for speaking my mind....I'll happily take a demotion for doing the same. M@X.... it sucks ... don't see why you have to twiddle with what itsn't broken. and regardling the ads..... nice way to turn the site we have worked so hard for into a 2nd rate looking vehicle. Is the site is so damned expensive to operate... for us ..this site is a labour of love.... if you need money to keep it running... ask us to donate.. you'd be surprised.... .if this is a way to make money... that is your right... but we work for you... and don't see any of it.... so what is that about. hahahhahha. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 06:36
We need the discographies to be chronological. We're prog fans, and don't care too much about ratings, but as collectors and completists we're rather anal about the order in which things were released and things like that   ------------- What? |
Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 06:58
I agree, but did you say "anal"?
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 07:11
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^ that's a term from psychoanalysis; it's about one type of obsessive behaviour.
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 08:55
 ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 09:12
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^ that disco was writen as part of the bio, we can't go back and add disco's manually for every artist. And as that Neurosis bio shows, they aren't up to date. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 09:18
| I'd just like to add one thing, in the hope of not sparking off any controversy.... We all know it can be a lot of work to research in order to write a decent bio for new entries. It would've been nice if at least we Collabs had been forewarned that something like that was going to happen. In my very humble opinion, it is our duty to make the site user-friendly, and reactions such as the one of the new member from Poland on the previous page should give us pause. Just my two eurocents, of course.... |
Posted By: Desoc
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 10:35
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Ah. Changes
 My initial thoughts: The initial presentation of the bands: Picture and biography are well-placed and nice to look at! Beautiful! Contents - always comes in handy. List of latest reviews - a nice touch. The videos have a very profound place - I find these far less interesting than the discography and even the sound clips. First things first is a clever rule of thumbs! But not essential, I don't care that much. The ads are even more in-your-face than before. I don't think this is a strategic choice of development for the site, but this is discussed in another thread. (I'd be willing to pay to get rid of them.) The presentation of albums. I tend to find this structure eye-appealing, but I totally agree with Dargdean who reminds us that this site is not only for presentation of popularity, but also for presentation of facts. For many users, a chronological list is far more useful than a list by category and ratings. How about making it possible to list the discography both ways? But PLEASE - if you choose to keep it this way - PLEASE include the number of ratings along with the number of stars. For me, the number of ratings is just as decisive for whether or not I choose to buy an album than the actual rating, and the way this is structured now, it's just a lot more work for me to find out. |
Posted By: Eerichtho
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 15:47
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I agree with the comment above. But in my oppinion there's a lot more negative to the new image. I searched for this topic in the first place because of being pissed off by the fact that the albums aren't in cronological order and furthermore, even the release-year of the albums has gone missing. I disapprove this type of arrangement for the addies as well, they really hurt the eye right now. The ad's should be much less disturbing. And maybe the videos relocated too. But, working on the site's design is of course a good thing. When the negative aspects don't stay that is. There are a few good things to it that work nicely too though... |
Posted By: Desoc
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 16:02
And voila - very effectively carried out
Now, if the year of release is possible to include without messing up the design (I believe that should be possible), I think you have a winning concept here
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 17:16
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I suspect mailto:M@x - M@x and Phil will still be tidying things up, so let's give it a few days to see how the changes settle down. I've fed back some of the issues already, such as the ordering of the albums and the enormous e-bay ad.
We can then summarise the input and feed it back.
Can I ask though that the feedback is kept constructive. mailto:M@x - M@x and Phil work hard for the site. You may or may not like what they have done, but simply letting off steam is hardly fair. Let's bear that in mind before hitting the keyboard.
Raf, for info, the only forewarning we got was that mailto:M@x - M@x was working on a new version of the site, and we shared that in the forum.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 17:21
those are the two that reside up my rear end   ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 17:29
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Hot off the presses, mailto:M@x - M@x tells me that:
"I will later add the functionality to order by Most Popular but I have restore the Chronological order.
The TOP 100 Reviewer are back in the Front Page. The TOP Albums will be added to the Front Page." He is listening!
(I see he's also added the number of reviews again, but the years are missing at the moment)
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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 17:48
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I like it, one thing though..... and yes I have bought this up before, and I probably will again, but please, please in the "content" box can the link to BUY be a link to the bands own web-stores?
PLEASE?
Independent artists are in difficult times, and sites like this are a valuable tool, but if the shopping traffic could be diverted our way rather than away from us it might help!
Guys?
Cheers,
PC x
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 17:55
that seems like quite a valid sugestion... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 18:40
But there are links to bands' official sites and the bands usually sell their stuff through them, aren't they? ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 19:56
sure... but if it makes it simpler... why not... unless we are not allowed to by Ebay as part of some deal so they could have half the artist page to sell things. Anyhow... the lastest tweeks are nice... and as soon and those damn Ebay ads are removed... they will look even better. Or just humour an old fart who really dislikes this. .and sees no need for it... stick the damn things on the bottom... unless the terms don't allow that either. It simply makes this site look like a commerical whore for ebay.. rather than a reference site for prog.. which is the ONE thing that people across the web do respect this site for. As I've said.. if it is a question of money... the day we refuse to pay what it takes to keep this site and running...I'll quit my bitching about it and we can have all the ads to keep the site up and even allow M@X a new boat to ski behind .
Call this the beginnning of class warfare.. but we aren't paid to make
this site what it is.. and seeing our work rendered well below a
frickin ad for Ebay does burn my ass. I'll get over it... but
allow me to vent.... I've earned it...all these collabs have if they
feel the need. We are the ones who work for free for the site.. and don't see a damned cent for it.------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The Lost Chord
Date Posted: November 09 2007 at 23:24
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Hate it, not to be so harsh, but the old layout was perfectly fine. "If it aint broke, don't fix it".
the review being posted at the bottom is great, but at the expense of the neat layout before, clearly showing the year of release for each album and such...an awful expense, at least.
Also, No more Top Rated Albums? I used to use that all the time! Now I have to actually look and see which are top rated? I would have never gotten some albums if it weren't for the ability to see what are the top albms for a band.
this new layout needs to GO -------------  "Only the sun knew why"
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Posted By: FruMp
Date Posted: November 10 2007 at 01:36
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I don't like it it's a lot less accesible and less informative and the placement of the ad really annoys me.
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Posted By: Desoc
Date Posted: November 10 2007 at 04:51
Now... let's not exaggerate. The layout before wasn't exactly "neat" - I used to get lost in singles and EPs and box sets all the time, particularly in the case of bands of the 70s who have released all their material four or five times. I totally understand the need to tidy up a little. The new solution isn't perfect, but has even during the last 24 hours had several improvements. I've suggested that the years of release be included in the new layout, which I believe would be an improvement.
As I understand it on Bob's post, M@x is working on an option to choose the way the albums are listed - by order of release or by order of rating? Perhaps it's even possible to make a function for choosing to view the releases in a single list, without the categorization, for those who prefer that? I mean, with all this technology and stuff, who knows what can be done...  |
Posted By: ZowieZiggy
Date Posted: November 10 2007 at 05:54
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I am enchanted with the layout changes.
1. A clear and more comprehensive display of the work of an artist (studio, live, compilation, EP's)
2. The top hundred list is again easily available which is of major interest when someone wants to discover the highlights of a genre she/he wants to investigate
3. Top hundred reviewer listed again is also a good thing
What else can I say ? Great job Max.
A few more thing though.
I would like to see the date of release of an album when viewing a band discography (since live, compilations etc. are separated from studio) one cannot easily figure out the chronology of the whole any longer (one has to go to the specific album page to see this info). I don't believe it should be too difficult to do that.
And what about the 0.5 rating ??? Nothing new on that front. It seems that the thread about it is as good as dead but without definite conclusion. So...
Keep on with the good work guys. ------------- ZowieZiggy |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 10 2007 at 07:46
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I like the grouping by studio album, live, video, etc. It would be nice to add year of release under the album title. Could do without the infernal ads before the content. Guess that's just the price you have to pay for a free site.
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Posted By: Publius84
Date Posted: November 10 2007 at 08:20
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I liked the previous album display list more. ------------- I know what I like and I like what I know... Prog is in my heart, in my mind, in my soul... |
Posted By: martinn
Date Posted: November 10 2007 at 11:11
Here are my thoughts about the issue:
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 10 2007 at 11:23
There needs to be a balance Rachel. As was mentioned, we do have links to the offical websites of the bands where such sites exist.
The adverts on this site pay for the site. As I've mentioned lots of times, none of our members are asked to pay a penny towards the provision of the site. This can only be maintained if advertising income continues to fund the cost of keeping it going it.
Presumably sites such as this must have contributed greatly to inspiring people to buy prog albums at all.
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Posted By: Hamfari
Date Posted: November 10 2007 at 16:30
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WHERE ARE THE YEARS NEXT TO THE ALBUMS?! IMO THEY HAVE TO BE THERE Oops caps lockanyway
cheers
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 10 2007 at 16:38
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I don't like it much. I was just scrolling through the Tangerine Dream discography making a Christmas list and was utterly confused. I thought Ricochet and The Warsaw Concert were deleted because I couldn't find them at all! Turns out, they're under the Live albums banner. It's not awful, but it's much easier to used when all albums/videos in an absolutely chronological list.
------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: November 11 2007 at 07:57
I am completely on the Micky's party line... however e-bay should not necessarily wiped out, but it could be positioned somewhere on the margin so not to offend directly our prog eyes
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Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: November 11 2007 at 08:03
| Chronology of albums with years of release is essential for this site! Is there a possibility to bring back the old style chronology listing together with the new style with separate groupings of albums according to their format and ratings? Or is too much? |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 11 2007 at 11:36
| They are chronological again now. I've asked mailto:M@x - M@x to re-instate the year of release. |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: November 11 2007 at 11:46
Something also that should be addressed:CAN Latest Forum Topicsincluding: Lounge discussions, news, events, press releases, blog, interviews ...
As you can see, not a single one of these topics is about the band "can".
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Posted By: Hamfari
Date Posted: November 11 2007 at 11:56
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haha their fault they named themselves CAN ;) a search engine can´t differientiate between other "cans".
Anyway, didn´t they use to have like "picks" or favorites above the discography, according to the highest rated albums (often 2-4 albums) . I liked that, I would want it back. It´s nice if you´re checking a band out and want to buy one album for starters (then you´d pick the highest rated ones for a good intruduction to the band )
Also I think the "major players" in the alphabet letter order should be highlighted, i.e. shown in larger fonts and bold, (maybe underlined too) to make a distinction between them and lesser known bands. They´d be easier to find to.
Anyway, to whom it may concern, I love your site and use it very often (even though I´m not active in the forum)
Cheers
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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: November 11 2007 at 12:00
Yeah, that's why I don't think that section should be on the band page at all. |
Posted By: Desoc
Date Posted: November 11 2007 at 13:56
Who should decide which bands are "major" and which are "lesser known"? Not the collective majority on this forum, I hope I'd advice you to use the top 100 list and the key albums listed under each genre. They should give a pretty fair indication. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 11 2007 at 14:36
and if not removing the ads (another subject) ....how about putting them at the bottom of the page... the site gets it's money no matter where the damn things are... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: November 11 2007 at 15:32
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The Year of release came back!
------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 11 2007 at 15:49
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The year is now shown again too!
(Don't know about the "gets the money anyway" Micky, some ads pay by the click through only)
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: November 11 2007 at 16:51
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^ yep, now it seems much better, albums are in chronological order
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Posted By: Hamfari
Date Posted: November 11 2007 at 22:36
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Yeah that´s an improvement.
Now we just have to pressure to put the ads at a lesser obvious place
Yeah point taken.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 11 2007 at 22:40
ahhh... I see... tell M@X I'll click those damned ads all day if he'll move that crap to the bottom of the page. He can have his boat... but he has to move the ads ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: November 12 2007 at 01:46
| I like the discography organization a lot better now, and this has been said before, but it needs to be moved above the ads, videos, and forum topics! |
Posted By: Desoc
Date Posted: November 12 2007 at 02:37
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Nice touch with the videos as well
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 12 2007 at 13:06
I thought for sure most people would like the latest changes. I must have been high or something.
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Posted By: Laurent
Date Posted: November 13 2007 at 19:19
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I don't post in the forums much anymore, but I still lurk around on the
artists page a lot, and I've gotta say, I really like the new
discography format. I didn't much care for the old one, where
everything(albums, videos, singles, etc) was stacked together in one
big pile. It seemed kind of messy. The new format seems much more neat
and tidy and gives a much clearer and concise representation of a bands
catalog.
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Posted By: Hamfari
Date Posted: November 13 2007 at 19:25
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I agree. You always had to search a bit for studio albums in the list if the band had released a lot of live albums singles etc. This layout is better ------------- Nobody needs to go anywhere else. We are all, if we only knew it, already there. |
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: November 13 2007 at 23:11
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It's a lot messier, and the giant eBay and Amazon ads are obnoxious. I know you have to pay the bills, but it seems like you're selling out with all these ads... ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 14 2007 at 03:41
| Further changes are in the pipeline to allow you to choose you preferred layout. |
Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: November 15 2007 at 16:32
| ^^^ that is a good news! |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 14:06
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I was first little upset, as the albums were first listed on basis of their popularity, but now its better as they are again listed by years. The separation of different kind of albums clears out the big discographies, but there is also some data lost: Some might be interested which one was first in cases when there are singles, lives and studio albums released during same year. This could be fixed with time by searching most definitive release dated to the album infos (f.ex. KUONA001 - UK - 15th Sep 1972 etc.). This info might not be vital for many page readers, but if the site is going to be THE DEFINITIVE discography, why not to concider that? The overall view is also more graphic, and I like the visual approach. If one uses Ebay, those links are good, though there are cases when the hits won't go right: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3298 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3298
Well, it's good that there are changes and new approaches studied!
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 14:07
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 18 2007 at 02:42
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I like the seperation, but I miss the list format. Haven't read all of this thread, but I hope that will be included in the things I can choose. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 18 2007 at 11:32
| That's the plan MWH |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 18 2007 at 18:41
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------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: November 20 2007 at 08:10
Although I am all on Micky's side on this, on the second thought I find "eBay auctions" ad very useful in particular cases.
I just found an extremely rare INDEXI album by clicking on that link!
 Many old prog bands from ex Yugoslavia or Eastern Europe are perhaps not well known, so eBay can be a important source for getting these obscure titles (especially for connossieurs of old LP vinyl records)...Of course, the size of the ads IS rather annoying and they should be placed somewhere else on the page....
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 20 2007 at 08:29
This was also a wish of mine as I thought that live albums and studio albums that were historically released should've remained together.
Posthumous live or studio albums were also to be kept together
and singles & compilations in a third category and DVDs in a last one.
However
 what bugs me tremendously is the horizontal layout within the given categories.  I really don't see why this was done that way .... We can't see the albums clearly and the numbers of ratings have disappeared etc...  Let's revert to the vertical layout we had.... ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 20 2007 at 14:14
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See previous posts Hugues, the choice will be yours.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: November 20 2007 at 15:36
The very first layout worked for me. With these computers it`s sort of like once you have the answers the questions change . I mean if it ain`t broke don`t fix it. Also the e-bay ads don`t neccessary contain items for sale from the artists. Take a look at what`s for sale on the Guru Guru site. Nothing to do with the band at all. |