Jazz or Classical
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Topic: Jazz or Classical
Posted By: King Crimson776
Subject: Jazz or Classical
Date Posted: November 27 2007 at 22:43
| I think that there are some classical pieces that beat any jazz, but overall jazz is better (like a random jazz song is better than a random classical piece more often) and has so many varying styles like fusion etc. So I choose jazz, what is your choice? |
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: November 27 2007 at 22:51
| Jazz Fusion...I don't like jazz. In relation to the poll...I choose jazz because there was freedom and experimentation in it. Classical was too rigid |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: November 27 2007 at 22:53
yeah yeah, right on, any type of jazz counts |
ProgBagel wrote:Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 00:00
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I haven't given classical enough of a chance to vote.. it scares me, in a way. With modern music, you have a band that compose their piece, then release it as an album, performed by themselves. With classical, there's a composer that writes their music on paper, and eventually gets played and recorded by many, many orchestras! I don't know where to go! It's also harder to come by recommendations or do research on this music since I no so little about it. It's rather sad, really.
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 00:27
Beethoven, Holst, Stravinsky and Gershwin are my favorites, all from different eras and backgrounds. I would certainly recomend all of them. Just go to Wikipedia dude, you'll learn all kinds of sh*t on Classical. Afterall, that is the bright side of this whole information overload generation. 
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 00:55
I know exactly what you mean; it's really intimidating to start, and especially the song titles which are generally much more difficult to recall a sound (so many numbers and repeated titles!) ------------- 
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Posted By: Teh_Slippermenz
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 02:50
| I love classical, but I like jazz better. Because of Jazz-Fusion! |
Posted By: Novalis
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 03:08
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Apples and Oranges.
But I voted Classical to even things up.
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 03:29
| Classical music usually touches me more deeply than jazz, but I often long for the FREEDOM of jazz. I couldn't live without either. It all depends on my mood. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 04:29
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I voted Classical but I don't like the Baroque/Classical/Romantic eras much, prefering 20th Century and Contemporary more.
Jazz is something I enjoy listening to but I am not au fait with all of the styles, so tend to like what I like when I hear it. ------------- What? |
Posted By: paloz
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 08:23
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Unfortunately, I can't afford jazz yet. I'm really trying, but I don't manage to find a true JAZZ cd that I love.
Classical music is all outstanding, a passion.
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 08:35
| Classical forme,especially Baroque and even earlier music. |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 08:36
First of all, this is not a prog poll.
What is that supposed to mean? If you picked a classical song out of a hat, it would be worse than any jazz song you picked out of a hat more often? How can you follow that as a rule? And that is 100% subjective.
Minimalism Anti-minimalism Opera Romantic Baroque Experimental/Avant-garde Soundtrack 20th Century Composer and so on, and so on,
Classical. My three favourite genres are Prog, Classical and Jazz, so it's not as if I dislike jazz in the slightest. |
Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 09:00
should be in polls not prog polls shouldn't it ? 
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Posted By: smokey
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 11:29
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I'm going to have to go with Jazz. It's not that I don't like classical, I just find that in relation, I listen to Jazz more. Now if it was Jazz/Fusion Vs. Symphonic Prog, that would be a different (and harder) story. ------------- Tales From Topographic Oceans |
Posted By: jimidom
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 12:06
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Gotta go with classical but by the slightest of margins. I am a classically-trained percussionist, but I enjoy both jazz and classical tremendously and have played both live. Some of the most fun I've had was performing classical works that had a jazz influence such as Still's Afro-Anerican Symphony, Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, Gershwin's Catfish Row, and Grofe's Grand Canyon Suite. ------------- "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST |
Posted By: jimidom
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 12:15
I would agree with you generally speaking, but classical became VERY free and experimental in the 20th century losing much of the rigidity from earlier times. Check out Arnold Schoenberg, Anton Webern, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Pierre Boulez, and of course John Cage, who challenged the very definiton of music with his works. ------------- "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST |
Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 12:34
| Classical |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 12:50
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Jazz probably, since it's closer to my taste in prog. But there are some wonderful Classical melodies!
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 12:56
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I love Jazz, but I like Classical as well.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 13:12
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i went with jazz, but i, too, love classical
btw this topic could get ugly... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 13:19
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someone put a classical sub genre list. so ill type out a jazz one
bebop
cool jazz
swing
avant-garde jazz
free jazz
hard bop
traditional
jazz-fusion
jazz-funk
rock-jazz
dixieland
latin jazz
modal jazz
acid jazz
smooth jazz (as much as i hate to include it in such a list)
jazz blues
gypsy jazz
bossa nova
calypso jazz
and so on and so on......... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 14:58
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I much prefer jazz influenced music like early MAGMA and ZAO to the classical flavour. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 16:33
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I like both, but i have to go with classical. my favourite is the romantic era, although i do really admire the freedom jazz can offer. however, much of classical music revolved around improv, and composers like beethoven and bach were both renowned for their improvisational skills. i feel that it is mainly classical purists nowadays that put the restraints on what defines classical. |
Posted By: yesman1972
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 16:42
| Love em both but classical music is the highest form of human expression. |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 16:45
Yes but after the first 2 albums, the jazz left almost entirely. It was only at Udu Wudu and Attahk that traces of it returned. MDK, Wurdah Itah, Khontarkosz, and K.A (to a lesser degree) were all EXTREMELY influeced by 20th Century classical music. |
Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 17:23
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Classical and Jazz were both two of my first loves in music, and currently I'm mainly a classical musician but I still venture into jazz occasionally and would like to play more of it. That being said, I voted classical. I prefer mainly modern, 20th century and romantic classical. The energy of many pieces that involve several hundred people playing is difficult to match with 3-10 jazz musicians, and I prefer the concrete sense of direction and concept that classical music displays for the listener. I still like jazz very much, but Coltrane and Davis haven't impacted me as much as Shostakovitch and Vaughan Williams have. ------------- 
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Posted By: bigmark35
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 17:27
| i love them both, but I have to say classical. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 17:31
Jazz and Classical are related to prog, and Prog Related is a bonified sub-genre on this website, so the poll is fine here, get the stick outta yer ass. And that a random jazz piece is usually better than a classical piece is my opinion, I don't mean it as something that should be understood, I was just clarifying that I think jazz is better overall. Don't be so literal, aight? 
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 17:36
"Classical music is a dead fish" - Brian Eno "Jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny" - Frank Zappa
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Posted By: ebag7125
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 19:13
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i love classical and have a hard time getting into jazz. There's some jazz i like, but classical wins out by a lot for me. Brucker's Symphony 8 is better than any prog epic i've heard ------------- 
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Posted By: MusicForSpeedin
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 19:24
I think improvisation is the highest form of human expression. I don't think you can reach a very high level of human expression by reading a sheet of paper.
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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 19:26
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That's subjective. The melody could be out of this world, and incredibly expressive. And the improv. might sound silly and disjointed. Ya never know... |
Posted By: MusicForSpeedin
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 19:35
| tis true |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:04
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Flip a coin on this one. I like both. Both have their good and bad. Classical - Beethoven,Bach,Brahms,Mozart. Jazz - Miles,Coltrane,Mingus..... Good question. |
Posted By: Zwerg Bart
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 23:24
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I vote jazz. Both are enjoyable, but I find I really need to be in a certain mood for classical while I can enjoy jazz almost anytime... but that's just me... ------------- "Freud's cranium is a snail!" - Dali |
Posted By: maups2
Date Posted: November 29 2007 at 01:19
| Can't decide. Voted jazz to even things out. |
Posted By: oddentity
Date Posted: November 29 2007 at 01:42
Can I ask - what instrument do you play, and what prog do you like? I'm asking because I am curious how and why a classical musician likes prog. I'm not saying that they shouldn't - I happen to think that prog is just as valid a musical form as classical or jazz - but the impression one gets is that classical musicians are too snobbish to enjoy a popular music form like prog. |
Posted By: asimplemistake
Date Posted: November 29 2007 at 01:49
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I went with classical mainly for Minimalism, but I really enjoy most all modern forms of classical music, and in reality I can enjoy most any kind of classical music (except Opera...). I also can enjoy jazz a lot. I can listen to either but I do listen to classical (mostly minimalism) a lot more than jazz. wes montgomery is great though...but so is steve reich... |
Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: November 29 2007 at 03:30
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: November 29 2007 at 04:55
| Two huge areas of music. Overall, classical, by a nose. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: November 29 2007 at 21:08
No |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: November 29 2007 at 21:12
| Jazz and Classical are related to prog. They are not prog. It does not belong here. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 30 2007 at 08:11
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By the way, anyone interested in Jazzical (Jazz-Classical fusion) music should try Free Flight.
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Posted By: progressive
Date Posted: December 04 2007 at 05:28
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neither or both... i don't like many basic jazz or classical but for example some fusion, avant-garde.. or some parts of those genres but i chose classical, because (wait a minute, i change the computer...) ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 04 2007 at 07:45
Are you sure?   ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: December 07 2007 at 15:52
| Classical wins. Unless... some people haven't voted on this wonderful poll yet, that is... |
Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: December 07 2007 at 15:59
| Classical |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: December 08 2007 at 06:54
| Being ultimately a classical pianist myself, i would have to say classical since i know much more about it. However, i do love to improvise the blues, and that is much closer to jazz than classical i find. Both are two brilliant styles :-) |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 08 2007 at 07:05
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I tend to see the two in stark terms... though not in absolute terms of course... Classical to me is about form, structure, beauty.... society.. where the sum. is far greater than any of the parts.. Jazz is about passion, personal expression, the individual... where the parts... are far greater than the sum.. as such... could never chose... love both with a passion... though by no means an expert in either. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: December 08 2007 at 19:04
I play double bass, euphonium and the electric bass. I love melodic and energy-charged progressive rock. Music like that of Rush, Yes and Genesis. I know exactly what you're talking about when you say snobbish classical musicians. I'm only 15, so I wouldn't call myself a professional musician in any respect, but the majority of the music I'm playing now is classical. I have a music theory teacher that seems to fit that "snobbish" stereotype. I'm a rock musician as well, keep in mind- I still sit and learn off of Rush records while I have Hoedown by Copland on my music stand. I guess I wouldn't be the best example for a classical musician's opinion- I started playing as a jazz trumpeter and have moved to a rock and classical bassist and my acoustic guitar style almost resembles Indian classical ragas in a way. I think music has something so say if one is willing to listen, so I try not to classify the music I listen to or judge it based on whether it's a simple Donovan tune or the Rite of Spring. -------------
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: December 09 2007 at 13:12
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Not all classical musicians hate prog. The violinist Viktoria Mullova (one of the world's greatest) enjoys King Crimson. I once heard the cellist Stephen Isserlis perform an exuberant version of "Got to get you into my life" (with the pianist Melvyn Tan) - that was a bit of prog in itself!
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Posted By: oracus
Date Posted: December 09 2007 at 14:22
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I used to love classical, but now i really like jazz. It has that freedom, that grabs you from the start to finish. So, i voted for jazz ------------- 
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