Asia - perfect or disappointing?
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Topic: Asia - perfect or disappointing?
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Asia - perfect or disappointing?
Date Posted: December 18 2007 at 17:22
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In 1981, Yes, King Crimson, ELP, Uriah Heep, Hold the Ladder, UK, and The Buggles sons decided to form a band together. Did they do great, or they betrayed prog rock? I personally love them. I have a great sympathy for arena rock, and I think that Asia mixed it with prog very well. |
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Posted By: cynthiasmallet
Date Posted: December 18 2007 at 17:24
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Well they aren't bad, but considering their potential I think you'd be hard pushed to find many who aren't disappointed. ------------- Would you like to watch TV, or get between the sheets, or contemplate the silent freeway, would you like something to eat? |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 18 2007 at 17:25
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Perfectly disappointing. |
Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: December 18 2007 at 17:34
| Once I got over the prog disappointment I found I could still enjoy them for what they are, as an mildy progressive classic rock band they are a class act really who have influence many modern prog bands indirectly . |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: December 19 2007 at 01:36
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For those of you too young to remember, the first Asia album was received with acclaim by everybody who wasn't expecting prog out of this line up. It was great rock, and it still stands up well today, although you don't experience it as the revolutionary work that it was anymore. The second album, which went about as prog as Asia ever went (not very), was highly anticipated but didn't catch the same attention. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 19 2007 at 12:08
| great but not perfect |
Posted By: Piotr Buendia
Date Posted: December 19 2007 at 14:17
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I said Great but is not great. I am with a fourth variant: good, but
not great. To perfection is a long distance, no change for that. Is
disappointing for those who expect something from Asia. Personally, I
don't expect nothing from any music, I try to hear what is heard. ------------- "You are free to do as we tell you."(Bill Hicks in Revelations) |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: December 19 2007 at 14:21
| I've always found them a bit dull and felt with the talents on offer they were capable of much more. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 19 2007 at 14:25
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Elevator prog ------------- 
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: December 21 2007 at 17:19
| Perfectly disappointing... |
Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: December 22 2007 at 06:37
| Agree - Great but not perfect. Silent Nation is really good though |
Posted By: Woodbridge
Date Posted: December 22 2007 at 22:43
| I'm growing to be a big fan of Asia. I love bands that mix melodic AOR/progressive rock really well. Asia is a perfect example of this blend (also: Journey, Rush, Styx, Toto, Triumph, Alan Parsons Project, and so on) |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: December 23 2007 at 20:30
And let's not forget the band that could be credited with starting the AOR/prog mix, Boston.
How sad that some people cannot see past their prejudices against AOR to stop blocking their inclusion here.
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Woodbridge wrote:Posted By: Woodbridge
Date Posted: December 23 2007 at 23:07
I love Boston! Amazing, innovative band. May not be "prog" by the pure textbook definition but they progressed musical trends tenfold.
I really see no reason why Journey, Boston, and Toto shouldn't be included as "prog related" because if one listens to these bands' entire discographies, it's clear that there are many "prog" elements in their music and that they were influential in all realms of music, "prog" included...
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Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: December 29 2007 at 03:16
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of course Asia is great (music), but no perfect; but, any of the "supergroups", made to be something as "perfect" because the members from different great bands get started to play together in one band, something as, for example, national team in a basketball at the Olympic games, never were complete this "mission" - to be "perfect" and miles above better than the bands the members came from, that´s impossible stuff which never work out, imho. |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: December 29 2007 at 04:40
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If you look at the musicians (Carl Palmer, Steve Howe...), at least i expect something great.
Asia sounded terribly dissapointing to me.
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Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: December 30 2007 at 01:47
| P.S. Rock music is not some kind of (awesome!) ECM production where, for example, Jan Garbarek can play and to make the great album(s) with Jarrett, and, also, to make another great stuff with David Torn, Dave Darling, etc. |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: January 06 2008 at 07:27
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I bought the first Asia album when it came out and expected much more from it. Heat of the Moment is a great song (although not prog) but the rest is definitely a case of the whole being less than the sum of its parts. ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 07 2008 at 15:18
| Prog pop for non prog fans. Nice album covers though.. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: January 07 2008 at 15:59
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^^ more or less...I quite liked the first two albums at the time, but everything else I have heard from them subsequently has been rather bland and disappointing....
...I saw them support Kansas in Hamburg back in 2001, and they were very ordinary then, too... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 07 2008 at 16:28
| The first album is one of my top favourite albums. I find the later albums that I heard very disappointing. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 19:16
HAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! betray prog? and miss seeing Carl cut through dense undergrowth with his drumsticks.. .and ...yes... Steve Howe making out.. .and SET ON FIRE!!! hahhahah YES!!!!!!!! perfect... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUVlubs8G2k - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUVlubs8G2k ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: EnglishAssassin
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 15:42
| There's just no excuse for this sort of thing. |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 17:39
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I've loved their first album from the first listen, and apart from One Step Closer, I think it's just about all masterpiece. I'm less sure about Alpha, though. @Micky, best video ever. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 18:34
that it is brother  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Real Paradox
Date Posted: January 23 2008 at 13:57
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It was disapointing realy...Too much technique and less spirit.I guess it was just a supergroup that did not know were to go...Very talented musicians but the team could not pull it up together, but anways not everything must be perfect. ------------- What is This? It is what keeps us going... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 23 2008 at 15:13
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RP... a hell of a lot of people liked those albums... check the sales on those.... if people don't like what they are hearing ...they don't buy it. They knew where to go... it's just that people stuck in the 70's didn't want them to go there... those who appreciate an album based on it's own merits loved it.. and ate the albums up.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:13
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let's put it like this: they were perfectly disappointing
-------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:34
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Heat of the Moment is all I know. And I think it's in the top 5 best non-prog songs of the 80s, and in the best 10 non prog songs ever likely.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: January 23 2008 at 20:13
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Good, but not perfect by any stretch. E ------------- 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 23 2008 at 21:43
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I never liked For me it's one of the worst AOR albums I ever heard because they tried to sell the image of Proggers to the Prog fans and of Pop icons to the general public, and at the end they were neither of both. They had to decide what path to take, if POP or Prog, not create a bland hybrid as they did, they were capable of releasing excellent POP or Prog albums if they wanted to. They disappointed me, because knowing their capacity I expected much more, probably closer to Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 24 2008 at 01:54
I was going to say the same...
 ... Elevator-prog made by first-rate proggers can't be anything else that a perfect dissapointment... -------------
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 19:33
| just seeing how much potential they got its a tremendous disappointment to progressive rock =/ |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 21:11
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It's like if someone told me "Hey there is a band with Steve Hackett and Steve Howe" (my two favorite guitar players in Prog) and I hear something terribly boring and lack of imagination............I would be totally disappointed because I expect a lot of them.
Ooops it already happened...GTR.
 Iván -------------
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 02:57
| Pity there isn't a fourth option... I voted for 'disappointing', but not for the usual reasons put forward by prog fans. They disappointed me not because they 'betrayed' prog (as if prog was a country, a friend or a partner...), but simply because I don't like the kind of music they made. |
Posted By: Stige
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 03:38
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Great, but not perfect. Great, because the involved musicians are great. Disappointing because... See Ghost Rider post! ------------- Search your mind in your soul |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 01:09
THAT is exactly what i am talking about Iván, its just not supposed to asia to go that bad in such a short amount of time.     |