Dream Theater vs. Psychotic Waltz
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Topic: Dream Theater vs. Psychotic Waltz
Posted By: spacemetal
Subject: Dream Theater vs. Psychotic Waltz
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 01:27
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I was just thinking, probably the two top American prog metal bands in the early 90's... one quickly became popular and the other never really took off although they made two of the best prog metal albums ever (imo). Which one do you think really made the better music? I'd say PW by miles and miles... it really isn't even close at all for me, better vocals, better lyrics, more consistant and nteresting music and no BS. I wonder how the prog metal scene would be if the bands listened to them instead of DT  Maybe I'd even pay attention to it. |
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 01:36
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Psychotic Waltz is quite the hidden gem. Great songs, great lyrics, incredible vocals, and overall great musicianship.
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Posted By: theBox
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 02:20
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Psychotic Waltz of course, and not because I want to vote for the obscure band. One listen to "a Social grace" will suffice!
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 08:43
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Incredibly easy poll for me. Psychotic Waltz by miles. |
Posted By: Zwerg Bart
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 08:56
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PW pwns DT all day, everyday. ------------- "Freud's cranium is a snail!" - Dali |
Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 09:06
Apart from a few Dream Theater haters they really haven't got very much to worry about in this "contest" when you think about it, maybe up against a band with better "chops" and greater progressive "vision" they would but ultimately it gets down to what you like and what inspires you ... so its DT all the way for me, when I listen to Psychotic Waltz I hear stoner metal more so than prog metal. 
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Posted By: Urs Blank
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 09:29
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I am not a DT fan, though they are great musicians with a true prog metal approach. But PW has something different, more identity, the music seems to have a soul. Definitely hard to compare those two very different groups but for me it is PW without a doubt! ------------- Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it. Salvador Dali. |
Posted By: proggy
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 10:20
| Dream Theater |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 10:23
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An interesting poll. I'm not sure yet ... I think that I'll vote for Dream Theater, but by a somewhat narrow margin. If only Psychotic Waltz had continued to perfect what they had begun on the first two albums ... instead they turned away from it. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 12:38
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I've never heard PW, but I like DT. ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: MusicalSalmacis
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 12:47
| I slightly prefer Psychotic Waltz for the sake of diversity |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 13:07
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Dream Theater.
John Petrucci has more 'feel'. 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 13:26
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Psychotic Waltz. They are more original. |
Posted By: Drakk
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 14:25
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Psychotic Waltz for me. ------------- [QUOTE=darkshade] [QUOTE=Sckxyss] I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde! Al di Meola. [/QUOTE] haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde [/QUOTE] |
Posted By: Nash
Date Posted: January 08 2008 at 18:06
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I've never heard PW, but I like DT ------------- http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/sydbarrettg.jpg/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: spacemetal
Date Posted: January 17 2008 at 03:42
| I'm disappointed in everyone! |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: January 17 2008 at 03:46
Ha, listen to High on Fire and see if Psychotic Waltz still sounds like "stoner metal". ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Yorkie X wrote:Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: January 17 2008 at 05:18
It doesn't look as bad as comparing their record sales figures.
Too bad that hdfisch, Marc Baum, Riversdancing and other people with a refined taste in prog metal don't post and vote here.
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: January 17 2008 at 09:29
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I love both bands, actually. PW's two first are near-masterpieces, but DT's I&W and Awake releases are among Prog-Metal's finest albums. I'll vote DT for now, since PW's last two albums are much weaker than their two first. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: January 17 2008 at 17:24
are kidding me?how are gonna ask question about a band that most people never heard of.
 it is like saying what band is better Marillion or Nexus (Argetinian Prog band).
Nexus is 3,0000 times better, but I bet that nobody heard of them so the vote will go for marillion. got it?  ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: January 17 2008 at 20:09
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I chose number 4 ------------- 
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 00:32
| Dream Theater of course. I just listened to PW, they're like a mediocre mix of Fates Warning and Watchtower. I don't see how anyone looking at it objectively could think PW are better in any way, musicianship or songwriting. |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 05:53
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^ Right, because there's only one way to perceive, judge, and evaluate music. There's no way to objectively evaluate talent because talent is perceived subjectively. Some people like nonsensical speed, some like delicate, beautiful melodies, you get the picture. Another thing, anyone who evaluates talent is doing so in their own view which doesn't apply to anyone else. No one can define what is good in music. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: WideAngleWatcher
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 08:32
I'm checking out Psychotic Waltz on YouTube as I type this. Sounds pretty good to me. Exactly the kind fo thing I've been looking for. When I mentioned I was a Dream Theater fan to some people they said I'm like Symphony X. Tried 'em and they sucked. Badly.
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 08:40
Well, many people consider Dream Theater as a mediocre mix of Metallica and Rush... I love IAW, Awake and ACOS, but these people are closer to the truth than you... IMHO of course.
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 19:25
Of course, but with alot of bands I can see why people would think it's good but still I don't like it. These guys just sound amatuerish compared to DT though. There have been way better bands just like this. Dream Theater is one of prog metal's founding bands and created the definitive prog metal sound. I really hope you aren't saying that PW has delicate, beautiful melodies, both of these bands get into some nonsensical speed. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 19:35
And people can say that of DT, and not without reason. I'd think you could see that DT has more of their own sound than PW though. If you hear a DT song, you know it's DT, if you hear a PW song... it could be any one of those tech/"extreme" bands unless you're very familiar with them. DT is obviously more insane as well, which is pretty much the point of both bands, but also DT are, IMHO, better songwriters. I'm just saying I'm not hearing any greatness in PW. It's not very original or professional, IMHO, of course. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 19:39
| (^^ can't edit) You know I'd actually like to hear why you, either of you, think PW is better than DT. Just explain what you feel is better about them and I'll see if I can picture it. That would be interesting. |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 19:52
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I like Psychotic Waltz because they have great songwriting, really good, subtle musicianship, wonderful vocals, and very interesting lyrics. They don't sound like non-stop show-off plus the albums actually flow and progress. Better melodies, too. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 20:10
| ^^ See, but PW seems like show off too though, just that they aren't as talented as musicians. And I certainly can't see what you mean about the better melodies, I can't remember any of them. I think it might have something to do with that these guys seem less pretentious than DT. Their music seems more honest and less commercial. I guess I just don't take that into consideration. |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: January 18 2008 at 20:20
Eh, it does to you but not to me. Instrumental talent doesn't figure in to my enjoyment of music in the least, so I would be more inclined to like something "more honest" than something that focused on instrumental talent. I'm drawn to talent in the arrangement area, as to me knowing what melodies convey the concept or emotions of a song FAR outweigh the ability to sweep or shred on guitar. All part of the "it just sounds better" argument, and that's the way my mind works. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: January 19 2008 at 01:51
| I went with PW. It's like these days a lot of people like PT because it is cool to do so. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: January 19 2008 at 02:29
It's cool to like PT!?
Well, more likely than DT. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: January 19 2008 at 02:35
Aight, if their melodies convey an emotion for you better, that's cool. For me, neither band really seems about conveying emotion with a melody. They are metal after all, and quite technical at that, this isn't classical, but whatever. |
Posted By: tillo
Date Posted: January 19 2008 at 15:03
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DT over all
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