What Is Prog-Jazz
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Topic: What Is Prog-Jazz
Posted By: Real Paradox
Subject: What Is Prog-Jazz
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 15:46
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I'm realy found of Jazz music although I have only heard a few artists(John Coltrane,Miles Davis,Louis Armstrong),well and someday I was watching Mezzo(not too shabby for a 13 year old huh...lol),and I saw one of the nost intresting bands I have ever heard in all my small life, They're name is Weather Report.Gosh love them...I thought there was some progginess going on there...and in my rambling thoughts I got an idea for a post here at my beloved forum Prog Archives.com. OK, let's get to the point....For the sake of that band, I wanna know what prog-jazz is.Is it different from the famous Jazz fusion(Al Di Meola, John Mclaughlin ,e.t.c....)?
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Posted By: ES335
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 06:46
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Jazz as a form is almost inherently progressive. In recent years it has settled down somewhat, but from it's inception in the early 20th century it reinvented itself every ten years or so, from the dixieland/ragtime era evolving into swing, bop, post-bop, free jazz, fusion.....
Since the 70's, maybe early 80's jazz hasn't been as innovatove, but then after Sun Ra where can ya go?
A more direct answer to your question would be ont his site, progessive jazz is essentially fusion, which fuses rock and jazz. While the site name only uses the word "progressive" it appears to focus on progressive rock. One can only hope that one day DGQ, New Grass Revival and other progressive bluegrass artists will be featured here.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 08:41
| It's the contrary of Jazz prog |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 10:02
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Progressive Jazz was the "Cool Jazz" movement of the late 1950s that included Miles' "Birth of the Cool", and more disciplined modern jazz musicians such as the criminally overlooked Lennie Tristano, and the less overlooked but almost as brilliant Bill Evans (in whose company Joe Satriani spent time learning and honing his licks).
Progressive Jazz was based on Bop, especially hard Bop, but took it almost to the heights of such jazz-inspired composers such as Debussy and Stravinsky.
http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/ent/A0859017.html - http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/ent/A0859017.html
Not sure about "Prog Jazz", though... John Zorn, maybe?
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Posted By: Real Paradox
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 09:51
Ok thank you, I know much more of jazz right now!:).
 ,I was realy confused though.
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ES335 wrote:Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 10:03
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http://ratingfreak.com/home/charts.xhtml?chart.genre=jazz&chart.prog_status=prog - http://ratingfreak.com/home/charts.xhtml?chart.genre=jazz&chart.prog_status=prog You're welcome to extend this list ... just tag an album "prog" and "jazz"!  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 19:35
Yes, they belong to what is commonly called "progressive bluegrass", along with Bela Fleck (who joined NGR in the 80's) and the string cheese incident.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 11:36
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I don't beleive there is a category prog jazz, rather prog fusion, which includes instrumental jazz rock played by musicians known eleswhere as heavy rock/heavy prog rock players, and perhaps include BLS, LTE, Derek Sherinian, possibly Niacin.
Until recently progressive jazz would have been a tautological expression, since through the history of jazz there has been progression. Now with Wynton Marsalis seen as the pundit and spokesman for conservative American jazz, his (and therefore TV documentary maker Ken Glass's), concept that jazz is 'America's classical music', indicates backward looking and repeating (not progressing) what for instance Duke Ellington played in the 50's. Thank goodness nu.fusion, nu.jazz , etc. hav become major forces in Europe to progress jazz in new directions. BTW I hold with Joe Zawinul's biographer Brian Glasser, that jazz rock fusion was the last major step/change heard in jazz - even since changes have been much smaller. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 17:38
Birth of the Cool was late 40's. I think you may be thinking of Kind of Blue. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 23:20
I agree... Who brought the hula hoops ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: B360Lightning
Date Posted: March 04 2008 at 21:28
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There is also a form known as progressive jazz that is more of a standard fusion of jazz and classical music . the french Claude Bolling was known as one of these type of performers. Even performers and band leaders such as Raymond Scott (going back to the 1930's) Perhaps even Mancini, Kenton or The Duke. Symphonic jazz if you wil |