Chicks and Prog
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Topic: Chicks and Prog
Posted By: KranJoos
Subject: Chicks and Prog
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 20:16
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Now if you are a female and enjoy prog, more power to ya, but i have noticed that at least NONE of the girls ive ever met have the remotest interest in prog ( jazz and classical too for that matter). What do you think it is that makes it so women tend to not like prog? And again dont get offended if you are a female prog-head but im just saying in GENERAL. |
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Posted By: cynthiasmallet
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 20:19
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Wizards mainly ------------- Would you like to watch TV, or get between the sheets, or contemplate the silent freeway, would you like something to eat? |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 20:21
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Well, it's because the genre is co-identified with hard rock, a very masculine thing, but in fact considered even nerdier. Prog rock's an anachronistic adrenaline-soaked bombast attack, isn't it? ;)
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Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 20:29
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I try to get my wife to listen to some things that I feel she would really enjoy. She'll give a listen, say that it is nice, and never touch it again. Most people seem to not want to expand their tastes in music, or at least try something that's not apart of the mainstream. |
Posted By: happythe
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 20:44
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I'm the only girl I know who likes prog (except internet girls who I know through prog forums). All the guys I know who like prog are, well, kind of nerds. At the rock society at uni I'm the prog rep but nobody ever comes out of the woodwork to discuss prog... I suggest that progheads are just nerds and therefore keep to themselves. =/ Then add to that the fact that nerdy things (Warhammer, calculus, trainspotting, prog) just tend to be more interesting to males, and there you have it. ------------- Stop me from dreaming? Okay :-( |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 21:18
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Lent my college buddy some the two newest Porcupine Tree cd's. His girlfriend is always with him and she said she really liked it.
But to call Porcupine Tree 'prog' is...idk. Love them though, I'd just call them hard rock with ambience and psyche. |
Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 21:22
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The last Marillion concert I went to (december 2007), the audience was about 50/50 between man/woman (my personal estimation, no verifiable facts). What I find is that the more extreme the prog is (experimental, metal), the more the audience tends to be men. So, my conclusion is that women prefer non-extreme music. ------------- To be the one who seeks so I may find .. (Metallica) |
Posted By: Karbo
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 21:37
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My wife really enjoy Porcupine Tree, and she even said that she loved some King Crimson songs. She used to play the first part of Tarkus on keyboard, some Supertramp, and before she stoped to play she was trying to learn to play some Rick Wakeman's songs too. In fact, I told her about this thread and she just ask me to add that she really like Genesis too. I guess she's a keeper.  ------------- « Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen. » Ludwig Wittgenstein |
Posted By: SFranke
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 21:41
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Women's brains are on average smaller than men's. But to answer your question, I have no idea. |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 22:02
Sometimes... Wizards are so awesome... it hurts... My girl doesn't like prog in the least... I should look for wizards around here. However, she's reading over my shoulder (approving, mainly) and she says its all Wakeman's fault. I'm serious.  I'm sure tat's not everyone's reason... but maybe... |
cynthiasmallet wrote:Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 22:21
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When I was in college, my roommate and I (both heavily into ELP/Yes -- this was 1972), arranged to meet a couple of lovely coeds at their apartment and listen to music, with expectations of a GREAT evening nudge nudge. So what did we choose as the album to drive them into sexual frenzy? Um, for some reason that listening to a recording of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring was in order. Result: Elvis Costello has a nice song call 'No Action'. The title of that song perfectly describes the rest of our evening. |
Posted By: Bellringer
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 22:26
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We tried to figure this out in another thread (which I think I started), but IMHO, in general, women tend to admire emotion in the art they like before they admire any intellectualism. In other words, women tend to like the songs that are simpler, that you can sing, that are more traditionally structured, etc. etc. Prog is almost completely intellectual-- there ARE melodies and structured tunes in prog, but you usually have to wade through an album's worth of concept to find them. This isn't to say we women aren't intellectual, but we do, as a gender, tend to find anything that's almost solely intellectual boring. The complex musical ideas of prog are very left-brained and most of us gals are predominantly right-brained.
Since I ended my working day today with Soft Machine's Fourth, what does that make me, I wonder? ------------- Psalm 69:6 |
Posted By: Flucktrot
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 22:26
That's because brain size is proportional to overall bodyweight!  But women also attach more emotional retrival tags to their memories....maybe that's why they'll always associate prog with nerds, because they'll always remember the nerd who tried to explain the plot behind Tarkus in high school. Oh wait, that nerd was me... ------------- Thank you, God of Rock, for this chance to kick ass |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 22:26
| I know three girls who like prog (one of them is a member of this forum) and I've had a few others voice an interest. |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 22:32
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I'm still waiting for Rick Wakeman to come out with a DVD of The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table, ON ICE. Perfect for a Friday evening with the woman of your choice. By the time you're done saying the title, she'll be long gone.
I really don't know why there are less women than men who listen to prog (if that is the case...maybe they just don't show up around places like PA....we smell kinda bad). I don't see how there could be a biological difference leading women away from this type of music...they say women enjoy music that makes them "feel", they're more in touch with inner emotions and such but prog has as much to offer as the music that is popular...there are prog love songs and ballads, guys that sing like sad puppies. ------------- Signature Writers Guild on strike |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 22:34
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I dunno, a lot of girls like the "bad boys"... We don't have a lot of those... Unless you count Neal Morse  |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 22:44
I hope that make a little bit of sense...and I don't necessarily believe that completely, but I think a lot of us here would say that we "found" music as an escape or a way to "fill in" something missing... ------------- Signature Writers Guild on strike |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 23:54
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My wife isn't into prog although she likes CAMEL,CHROMA KEY,PORCUPINE TREE(stupid dream) and PINK FLOYD to name a few.My daughter is a huge Steven Wilson fan as well as ANATHEMA,TOOL,RADIOHEAD,THE AMBER LIGHT,OCEANSIZE,THE MARS VOLTA,COHEED and CAMBRIA,MUSE and a lot of post-rock, oh and PELICAN,ISIS you get the picture.She's 23 years old.I know i've been a big influence on her,and yes i'm proud.We went and saw PORCUPINE TREE last May together in Toronto,we both want to go on that boat tour in Sweden that has OPETH,ANEKDOTEN,KATATONIA and many others performing on it.Can't afford it though.Money or time. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 03:11
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I am one of the resident "chicks who love prog". My first prog album was bought at the age of 11. Though I am very well aware of the biological differences between men and women, I tend to resent any kind of generalisation relating to those differences - especially as regards brain size and such. As to the matter of emotion vs intellectualism, I have never felt that prog was devoid of emotion, or that mainstream love songs were full of it. On the contrary, I find the latter's sentimentalism quite fake, while something like "Epitaph" or "Starless" really touches a chord within me. I may be an exception, but I am not so sure... It's just that I have always tended to think with my own brain (smaller or otherwise), instead of letting myself be brainwashed by what society thinks a woman should be like. |
Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 03:26
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as usual when I thread like this starts........................ it's hilarious! some really funny answers, which makes me think with a sense of humour like that boys, no one could ever think you were nerdy...........
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 03:50
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I grew up with prog, so I do like it. my parents were hippies who were into anything that sounded great when they were "flying high", which means all kinds of prog, especially psychedelic and early Kraut, but also Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple. which is probably why I don't have any problems seeing both Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple as prog; they were just as much a part of my childhood as Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator, Amon Düül 2 or Guru Guru
-------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: paloz
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 11:56
| On the web I met two girls that love prog. It is incredible, I know great girls only on the net!!! I'm joking, but all my female friends don't like prog... |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 12:03
Back in the glory days (very early 70s) , girls (and hot ones too) introduced me to ITCOTCK , Renaissance, GG, Yes, Zappa and , of course, who didn't lose their virginity listening to Echoes? I even saw Soft Machine with my first love and she was groovin to it, so... In fact, it has more to do with the current social trends because I know tons of guys who HATE any kind of prog, labelling it "pompous, elitist, overblown" . Truth is most progheads are frustrated musicians who really get off on a chord change or a technical solo. Most tend to be male, because we are a "nerdier" lot! Somehow a female nerd is hard to picture. I wish I could find a lady progster, good god would we have fun!!!!!!!------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: kiwi
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 12:15
Women's brains process in different ways to male brains. EAch gender has strengths in their neural processing. We are complimentary. Males are more object orientated whereas females tend to be more relationship orientated (boys like things girls like people. Maybe the nerdy type testosterone soaked prog heads like the complexity and structure of the music - the women go for the relationship thing that people like Norah Jones, Bic Runga and Alicia Keys do so well. Prog is also heavily populated with males dwelling on male themes. CAn you imagine a female band singing "I'm in love with my car"? ------------- We, verily, have made music as a ladder for your souls, a means whereby they may be lifted up unto the realm on high.. (Baha'u'llah) music |
Posted By: kiwi
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 12:18
Maybe you could have tried "Counting out Time" by Genesis  ------------- We, verily, have made music as a ladder for your souls, a means whereby they may be lifted up unto the realm on high.. (Baha'u'llah) music |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 12:20
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Could it be the ugly musicians within prog ? i mean, i know ian anderson and robert fripp are sights for sore eyes, but seriously: take one look at the drummer from gentle giant (can't remember his name) and it's even enough to make most men cringe! can't imagine what it's like for women! i think it's because it's so unusual and experimental. It's been that way for years. I'm in an art group at college, and barely any of the women appreciate unusual and original artists like picasso or andy warhole. I suppose the same applies to music. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: blaughida
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 12:57
Piglets like prog more than baby chickens in my observation  Girls are socialized not to treat popular music, as well many other things, as something serious with any sort of history or complexity, and receive negative feedback if they go against these expectations. It's a bit difficult to evaluate the sort of explanations people are offering about women's and men's brains when girls and boys are given different social cues...this is not a controlled experiment! The boys I knew in high school who listed "I'm into music" among the things they were proud of would not accept that I knew anything about the subject. We're 20 now, and they're still like this, getting all defensive, trying to prove they know more, subtly belittling my opinions, and seizing upon and making fun of the parts of my somewhat all-over-the-place collection that they don't like. They don't do this to their male friends who are into music, not in the same way. For whatever reason, I mostly have this problem with the men I know who have more of a 1960s/1970s period orientation to their taste in music--the sort who might be into some classic prog bands. So next time you get frustrated that none of the women you know are into your music...well, it might be in part because we've been told time and time again that we shouldn't be. So the best thing you can do to encourage a change is to act like it's completely normal and good for women to like prog...normal for anyone to like and be curious about anything and everything, really. Open-mindedness is just a good thing in general. |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 13:13
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My daughter hasn't met a guy yet who know's more about music than she does. And i would be willing to bet that BaldJean and Ghost Rider know more about prog than most of the guys on this site. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: cacha71
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 13:16
I second you on this, Ghostrider, and I agree that fashion and society want to dictate to us what we should like and dislike. In particular, society wants to tell us how to be female, and I am quite capable of making up my own mind about this, thank you very much. There's too much MCS (Mindless Copycat Syndrome) around. Comments like women having smaller brains are just reinforcing the stereotypes that already plague us. Personally, my musical tastes developed without my being aware of any particular gender orientation.
It's a shame that there aren't more female musicians in prog because this would help even the balance.
I'm proud of being female and I'm proud of liking prog! ------------- http://www.last.fm/group/Progressive+Folk |
Posted By: Wallium
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 13:44
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Girls are attracted towards music that's more alternative most of the time. They care about how cute the lyrics are more than the music, really. They never leave that loop until you shove prog right down their throats and show them why Blink 182 sucks.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 13:59
No comment, really....   |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 14:01
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I haven't really been keeping up with this thread, but all I know is it's the cool chicks who listen to prog. E ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 14:12
hahahha oooohhhhhh Nice Mars Volta review there Raffaella... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 14:27
So dumb! ;P Women delve deep into music just as often as men do, but veer less often towards rock, or at least hard/classic rock which is reknowned as something silly and over-the-top. Plenty of women have a taste for classical music (from many eras) or else industrial and noise that's as harsh as possible. If there's a closed circuit that can't be escaped without outside help then everyone's equally susceptible - what percent of Linkin Park's fanbase is male, would you say? ;P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 18:01
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 18:08
that it has... too much peace and love and appreciated each others's reveiews... now for some funwe should warn cro-magnon man there that there is an admin stalking the forum with a bit of a bad ass atitude and a...errr.. killer avatar hahhahah. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 22:04
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Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 23:45
lol thanks for the factoid, Borat! ------------- 
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 23:46
That's prog.
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Posted By: MusicalSalmacis
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 00:39
| Even those chicks who do listen to prog listens to the bad kind =( Coheed and Cambria URGHH.... |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 01:20
See now what you've done? I will have to go listen to them now.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 03:46
Not this one, I'm afraid ... |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 04:37
actually the fact that the male brain is larger than the female one has more to do with the size of the cranium; the average male simply has a bigger skull than the average female, though the difference in size is not as drastic as it is for example with the great apes or early hominids. the size difference of the human brain regarding to gender is rather minimal. by the way: microchips are smaller than transistors too. and do you know why? they are more effective ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 11:08
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My other half isn't a fan of prog. There are a few things she likes (e.g. Marillion) but mostly she'll be happy listening to local radio. Occasionally she'll ask what I'm playing but that's so she can file it in the part of her brain labelled "music I can't stand." She sometimes surprises me though. I was playing A Meal You Can Shake Hands With in the Dark by Pete Brown and his Battered Ornaments the other day, she said it was OK but didn't like the spoken parts. High praise indeed! ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: Wallium
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 12:23
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What I've noticed though, is that girls like music that is more piano-rock oriented, almost all of 'em that I know have that kind of stuff on their Ipods.
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 13:12
If there would be such a thing as Progland, I would vote for Ghost Rider as President or Prime Minister, mainly because she's got the smarts and the balls, Opps I mean the courage, to "stand up and fight, for you know we right " . Her knowledge and tastes are remarkable, way more open-minded than SOME of my testosterone-jam til your pants drop- somewhat nerdy , intro-extro wobbling specie colleagues. Diplomacy rules !  ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 13:24
I like to read her posts too; she is on the same wavelength as Friede and I ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 13:31
This is how I get to find out how many female candidates are out there. You are all obviously on the same proggy wave length! Triumvirat(e)? ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 14:30
| becouse , lets`s face it prog is kinda ridiculous.The lyrics the covers the dungeons and dragons stuff , rick wakeman .I mean you have to see it with the eyes of a woman |
Posted By: Poser
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 23:18
I am so ashamed I got that one... All I can say is that it all comes down to a lot of women (and men) are only ever what is expected of them. ------------- 
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 00:26
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And here I was thinking of the keyboards-drums duo Wizzards...
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 04:02
Maybe except Magma, none of my favorite progressive bands features any dungeons or dragons (or Rick Wakeman). But then again I know plenty of chicks into prog. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Lavender
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 17:53
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yep, i agree.
i liked prog a while back and met this nerd who i totaly fell for...anyhow that ended and the only good thing i got out of it was the prog part, it's part of every day of my life.
and we attach certain memories with some song and ... wtv, we like prog cuz it's amazing :)
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Posted By: Lavender
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 18:14
sorry, i choked...i wanted to quote this post
and also...there are very few females involved in rock music, so no female role models and stuff...
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 12:27
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My wife used to love Prog. Now she is a Country music junkie. I can't figure it out. ------------- 
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Posted By: wolfvaga
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 12:44
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Prog rock is mostly cerebral music, I think that is the answer. Women mostly prefer emotional music, and prefer it to stuff that needs absrtact thinking (or listening)... For example, My girlfriend enjoys in good music... But she would always take Smooth Jazz before Fusion, which is more complex (in abstract way). Or Pop Rock instead Progressive sound (Even if she likes some melodies in original. Example: she likes oriental sound in original, but dislike it in composition "Saucers" by Ozric Tentacles)... For the end, brains of men and women are so different that that is amazing... ------------- Lupus in fabula :) |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 12:46
That kind of change makes no sense at all. Are you sure she hasn't been replaced by a zombie c & w pod person? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 12:47
Seen the amount of stereotypes in this thread, I'd like to ask you all a question... How do you explain people like me, the Baldies or other women who are heavily into prog? Are we freaks of nature, or what? Or perhaps some so-called rules only exist in order to have exceptions?
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Posted By: pelican
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:34
I agree! Women are not less intellectual than men. There are more women in Law School and Medical School than men nowadays (at least in the states). Incidentally, I've only met one other person who likes prog and I know alot of people. My husband doesn't like it at all. He likes some Porcupine Tree and some Rush but cannot stand The Flower Kings, Spock's Beard or Gentle Giant.
As to why so few women like prog - I would say that its because so few people do in general and women just aren't socialized to really like music that much except as background filler or as something to dance to.
As to some of the posts about women liking pop/dance music more - I'm guessing you're younger and when you are a teenager/twentysomething - you tend to care more about what other people think of you (I'm talking about the females you know in your own age group) but when you get older you (hopefully) don't care at all about what other's think and will admit to liking something even if it is supposedly deemed "nerdy".
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:38
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FOOL THERE ARE NO FEMALES ON THE INTERNET
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:52
My wife should have gone to Law School. She loves to argue and is never wrong.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 14:01
Oh gosh, you've found me out ..... |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 14:38
I am so sorry for you, must be very hard!  Of all the choices out there, good grief! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 15:18
And you aren't kiddin'. I get home from a long day to some knee slapping music blaring in the kitchen. My eldest son now listens to 1/4 metal, 1/4 prog, and now 1/2 country.
 Just when I thought he would enter the Prog world too. He was getting into Porcupine Tree and Dream Theater. Those have been on a steady decline as I checked out his Nano. It's a sad day. CMT rules the TV too. I run to the basement and listen to Last.FM for a Prog fix.Should I be afraid I like a country video? Not the music, the video. Leann Rimes in jail or something. Maybe I should be sure to back off.
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Posted By: Anguiad
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 16:47
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I also wonder about this frequently. Perhaps because prog is a minority? How many people listen to prog compared to other music genres? About 30 percent, maybe. 20 or 25 percent are men so that leaves us with a 5 or 10 percent of women who are into prog. They do exist but are hard to find so let us all keep looking!
Also, it depends on the subgenre for once. Neoprog can be the magnet for most women I guess, for the melodies and the voices. I don't know...  ------------- "Tis your birth and faith that wrong you...not I." |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 17:49
no offense, Madame, but it's a rule of the internet, you see -------------
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Posted By: peppino
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 18:01
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Ahhhhh, this thread reminds me of a good story...
I used to date this girl who only enjoyed country music (ugh
). Well, when I heard this, I suddenly had a purpose in life. I made it my life's mission to convert her to prog. I believe the line I said went something like, "Prog can be enjoyed by everyone because it is such a varied and eclectic genre." Yeah...something like that. I tried to ease her in with Tull or more accessible Genesis.....no response. Then, it hit me like a ton of bricks.....I'll try Voyage of the Acolyte, that has to work...man I am a genius, the chances of that not working are 0%. Nope, still nothing. To her credit though, she never came out and said she hated any of it, she was very polite about the whole thing. Soon after, the relationship started to go downhill a little bit so one day we were in the car together and without thinking about it, I pull out Gentle Giant's "In a Glass House." Here is where the fun began. So I put it on, about 20 seconds in to the glass breaking intro of "The Runaway" I see absolute pain on her face. As the song goes on, it looks as if she is being tortured in a variety of ways. Then "An Inmates Lullaby" comes on and the pain then turns into what I would describe as sheer confusion mixed with animal-like rage. Why...I don't know, it just happened. Long story short, I believe the relationship ended a few days after that. Lucky for her too, because next she would have probably had to listen to Kohntarkosz. What was the point of this whole story....huh good question
 Ohhh I know, guys, if you're in a relationship that you're desperate to get out of...just put on Gente Giant. It worked for me. ------------- (insert insightful statement here) |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 18:15
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the bigger question is why would you date anyone who enjoys country music as their favorite genre -------------
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Posted By: peppino
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 18:32
I have no excuse for that
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 20:42
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 21:58
Don't try to figure it out. Bask in the awesome, jaw-dropping excellence of Alan Jackson's steel guitar players.
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Posted By: wolfvaga
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 00:11
Nope... Maybe she has done lobotomy or brainwash... ...------------- Lupus in fabula :) |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 00:29
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I find the best way to seduce a female is with Yes's Close to the Edge. Of course, you have to swing it hard enough to knock her out. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 03:03
The best way to seduce a woman is Klaus Schulze's "Chromengel" from his "Cyborg" album. Trust me, it is what I first seduced Jean to. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 05:17
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There are many girls who like Pink Floyd, Radiohead. and Dream Theater. According to this site Nightwish is progressive, this increases the number of female "prog" fans...
BTW if I was a woman I probably would feel a bit offended by calling me a "chick".
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 05:27
| I don't mind the word "chick" as much as the allegations that women are in some way intellectually inferior to men. As I said in an earlier post, I believe that most of the differences between the genders are culturally induced, and not connected to biological factors. Being a woman, I know the kind of brainwashing women are subjected to by the media and society in general, so I'm not surprised to see that music is also part of the equation. |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 05:35
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Yes, I thought the "chick" part of the thread title was a tad insensitive. Anyhow, my partner likes Nightwish and before she sold much of her collection years ago, she liked Marillion. She's mostly and old-school metaller and likes Kiss and Queensryche as well. Most of her music passes me by, to be honest, but at least it's not pop (although how Shalimar and Salt 'n' Pepper creeped into her collection, I have no idea...). She did attend a Riverside gig with me and didn't hate it either, so there's still hope. Another female friend of mine once liked the opening track of Porcupine Tree's Deadwing (infact, she heard it before I did, as I happened to have it with me in the pub the same day I bought it). I still haven't copied it for her... My female cousin Caroline likes noise rock, like Sunn O))) and Boris, as well a lot of other Japanese bands and her father is an old prog-fan, who listened to lots of Floyd back in the day. The only female prog-fans I know in real-life are Rach and Vicky, who are on these very forums. Addendum: I forgot to add that there seems to be more women in orchestras than men, plus there seems to be a lot more female fans and critics of classical music. However, there are far less female composers of classic music, which is strange. -------------   
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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 05:35
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 05:41
My mate always used to play Nine Inch Nails' Closer, when he got to the bedroom. -------------
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Posted By: Poser
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 16:20
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Hmm...I am one guilty of being lured by Close to the Edge. -------------
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 18:53
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I haven`t read down through this whole thread but one of my Australian Cattle dogs, Harriet ( you guessed it the other ones`name is Ozzy ) ENJOYS progressive rock immensly. Oddly, one of her favourite albums is TFTO. My vet, not being familiar with the themes and music presented on the album, can`t explain this phenomenom to me so I`m wondering if there are any armchair dog psychiatrists out there in PA land who could offer any explanations or evaluations for my dogs` prog preferance. ------------- |
Posted By: Poser
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 18:55
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I suppose being called a chick is better than indirectly being called an Australian cattle dog. -------------
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Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 22:37
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Women go to clubs and like to dance...it is a little difficult to dance to something alternating 6/8 and 7/8 . ------------- 
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Posted By: Oceansizzle
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 02:22
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i got one of my female friends listening to SOME prog...but stuff thats not extremely progressive like Radiohead, Oceansize, Dredg, earlier Porcupine Tree, Pink Floyd, and alot of post-rock. I cant see her listening to and enjoying Genesis, ELP, King Crimson, PFM or Focus. I think one reason is that there are less females that are REALLY into playing an instrument like the guitar, bass, or drums. A good amount of people that are fanatics of prog are musicians and huge connoisseurs of virtuoso instrumentalists. Those are just my thoughts and observations though...and this might have already been mentioned. I didn't read all the posts yet, just the first page. ------------- 
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 04:25
Not at all; you should see Jean and me do it. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 04:53
I agree, but I'll admit I've also found myself dancing along to Faust's "Laüft...Heisst Das Es Laüft Oder Es Kommt Bald...Laüft", which follows that exact meter
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 04:59
yes, we even dance to Embryo, who use rhythms that are a lot more complicated. having been to Embryo concerts I have to say it is amazing how many people dance to their music, no matter how complicated the rhythms are; the audience always had several people dancing to the music (including us) ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 05:24
And I suppose no men whatsoever frequent those clubs
 ... I never set foot in anything even remotely resembling to clubs, and, while I sort of like dancing, I have to like the music in order to be able to move even a few steps. And I happen to dislike most of what nowadays passes as dance music. Generalisations galore here, I'm afraid... |
Posted By: Sinusoid
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 10:33
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I'm sure there are female proggers out there, just haven't found any yet. I might be reiterating what someone said earlier in the topic, but I think that women are naturally more emotionally inclined than men are (just an observation, not a stereotype). Prog rock usually doesn't give the world that powerful love ballad or whiny, depressing break-up song in my estimation.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 15:00
Hey, coming from a chick who apparently looks like Steven Wilson...  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 15:43
OK Then Why do you, being a woman, think that prog does not seem to appeal to more women? I would be interested in reading your answer.
I have a partner who I got together with 4 years ago who had never heard of prog. Yeah she heard the radio songs but not enough to go after more. I started her with the first Kansas album and she fell in love with it. From there Genesis, Yes, ELP, PFM, Focus soon followed and so on into the more modern groups as well as some Zappa. She likes it all although she doesn't care for Jon Anderson's voice. She much prefers Greg Lake to really high tenors. The thing was she was listened to the Beatles, Jazz and Soundtracks (which I now have great love of also). I think a lot of young people not just women are drawn by what media tells them to listen too. It is easier that way. Prog is hard. It is hard to find first of all and a bit getting used too listening to it. A lot of people are just lazy and are willing to follow the crowd. My two cents anyway.
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Posted By: SoundsofSeasons
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 20:33
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Most prog rock is very emotionless, and cold music. Sorry, but it is. Women identify with emotional music. So for example they would probably like Riverside's Second Life Syndrome over Dream Theaters Scenes: From a Memory. Both are about love lost, but the first is very emotional and soft, the other is cold and mainly a reason to show off skill. ------------- 1 Chronicles 13:7-9 Then David and all Israel played music before God with all their might, with singing, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on cymbals, and with trumpets. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 20:43
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^ I don't think that's accurate. Perhaps in a quantitative way, but I think that people could shoot off example after example of emotional prog music. Many women like rap and hip hop, how much emotion is in that? And a crap load of indie is hardly emotional, but jangly music to rock out and dance to. Point is, there's no ONE type of woman, but there's something cultural or maybe even biological that makes men seek out stuff like prog more than women. We do know there is pressure on women to conform to their expected "roles" in Western society, and that, predictably, does not include liking prog rock.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 04:03
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First of all, thanks to Brian and Stonie for the wisdom of their words. My personal view of people is that we are all individuals, regardless of age, gender or ethnicity, and therefore everyone of us is a different story. Of course, there are some general conclusions to be drawn from an observation of the way things go in the world - which could lead some to believe that "men like intellectual things" and "women like emotional stuff".
I can't say I really buy into all those theories about biological difference in men and women's brains, especially as I see the dangers of applying such theories to real life. However, something I strongly believe in is what both Brian and Stonie pointed out - that is, conditioning or even brainwashing by the media and society in general. Being a woman, I am all too aware of the pressure society puts on us to get us to spend our money on looking good, since we are conditioned to think that our main value is in our looks. Now, I am a reasonably vain woman, and I do like looking my best, but that doesn't mean I am willing to invest huge sums of my hard-earned cash on cosmetic surgery or other such treatments in order to look twenty years younger. Other women, unfortunately, fall for that, and start obsessing about every little thing. Nowhere do we see any attempts to persuade women to take equally good care of their brains - and that brings us back to the question of prog.
Obviously, I don't think ANY woman can be 'educated' to like prog - just as I don't think any man can. We are all different, and I am quite sure our tastes are as they are for a reason. However, I think the problem really lies with the sheep mentality far too many PEOPLE have - that is, choosing the path of least resistance. This doesn't only apply to music or the arts in general, but also to more serious things like political ideas. Learning to think with your own head is not easy, and can lead you into trouble - I know it by personal experience.
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Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 04:25
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 06:10
Friede's brother, who is ten years older than her and me, was about 17 when punk came up. he once told me that the club of people who liked prog had never been big when he went to school, and he belonged to a circle of friends who did. but when punk came up, followed by the so-called "New Wave", most of them turned away from prog and turned to these new forms of music instead, and he became a complete outsider, at least musically. which goes to show that for some being into prog was just "trendy" and fashionable. when we have visitors we are often asked: "please don't put on any of your music! don't you have anything normal"? we are used to it meanwhile. we do have friends who are more open to musical experiences, but some only know the "tralala" music most radio stations usually play ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 09:31
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I do know women who like Prog (and some of them even listen to Gentle Giant ) and I do not know why everybody is talking about these stupid stereotypes. Maybe there are more men than women on this forum but that does not mean that there is any biological reason why women would dislike Progressive Rock. And please do not forget that not only women are expected by society to behave in a special way, the same counts for us guys. It does not matter at all if you are a boy or a girl: Prog is always kind of nerdy (though it is upcoming again ). |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 12:23
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ive never met a woman in real life who liked prog. i know women who like prog bands but dont know they are prog (Pink Floyd, YES, Rush) and some classic rock. and they are open to stuff if i show them anything. but no one INTO prog rock fully. one thing i dont get though. Im going to use Frank Zappa as an example. i have 2 live Zappa DVDs and both are from the 70's. each one pans the audience a bunch of times and i always see that at least HALF THE CROWD have female attendees. How is this so? were women really enjoying music like The Black Page or Inca Roads or even St. Alfonzos Pancake Breakfast back then, or was it just the times, and going to a Zappa concert was like going to the amusement park? i dont know, all i know is you see footage of Zappa Plays Zappa concerts and it's mostly male audiences. what happened? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 12:27
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women have been conditioned more in the past few years to not care about any music that isn't on MTV not saying it's TRUE for all women just how they're conditioned for guys its more acceptable to at least like something they found at Hollister or on Headbanger's Ball -------------
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 12:58
wait, there's music on a channel called Music Television??? no way!------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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