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Topic: Favorite ProgArchives Tendencies
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Subject: Favorite ProgArchives Tendencies
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 05:44
This little site is home to many amusing idiosyncrasies. Which do you like best?
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 06:06
"If band X is here, then band Y should be!!" accompanied with "They're much more prog than X!"
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Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 06:09
Overload! Too many favourites to choose from...comes down to "open-minded vs. close-minded" or "you obviously haven't heard of..." Such great arguments that have a way of shutting every possible door for continued (constructive) discussion.
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Posted By: AShowOfHands
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 06:32
"Using the open-minded vs. closed-minded argument"
For me, I haven't had it used against me yet and it wouldn't bother me if it did. I like being close-minded it enables me to really get into what I DO like and that happens to be Prog for the most part so f**k you!!!
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 07:53
Good thread, you little cynic you - I'll even forgive you the option:
"Thinking that prog is still relevant today"
For me, it has to be the ever popular "If band X is here, then band Y should be!!"
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 08:03
Prog is still as relevant today as it was in 1840.
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 08:47
You're missing a couple:
"I had to vote for band X because I haven't heard band Y"
"1.813484340293423178701 ^ 2 Stars really"
"More Z people tend to like album X"
I went for 'Using the open-minded vs. closed-minded argument'
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 09:48
My ironic favourite tendencies are the popular Peter and/or Ivan summoning ritual - for which the mantra is "overrated" - and the preponderance of posts which contain ONLY the name of a band. =P
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 10:21
laplace wrote:
...the preponderance of posts which contain ONLY the name of a band. =P
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Yes, wonderful! Always nice to have people who know how to control their flood of words 
And also nice to see a lot of people having no clue at all how to use the search button, and starting a thread about the same subject for the umphtiest time. 
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 10:37
Two words: Dream Theater
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 11:10
Excellent poll AVH!
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 11:39
All of the above???
Unfortunately!!!  
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 13:27
-...band/album is so overrated.
- how exactly is prog metal prog.
-...band is not x sub-subgenre but y sub-subgenre.
To name a few.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 15:01
you forgot one:
"Why is prog metal prog?"
And also:
"You're so amusing and ridiculous... let me tell you what's wrong with you and make a poll out of it"...  
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 15:07
By the way, let's see if these ocurrences are so amusing:
"You obviously haven't heard/don't know..." - Well, it's kind of stupid trying to argue about things you don't know about or haven't heard...
"If band X is here, then band Y should be!!" - Applying strict logic, it should be this way.
"Add band X because they're better than band/genre Y" - Exactly. If band X is better than band Y, then we'll be better served having them here.
Tracing prog as far back as possible (OMG 1840's prog!!) - This one IS amusing... people than want to see prog in Elvis... or in BACH!!! there was one thread: "Mozart prog?" 
Using the open-minded vs. closed-minded argument - There's a lot of both in here.
Adding non-prog bands - depends on whose definition of prog we use.
Post-rock hate - not an amusing ocurrence but a sign of a healthy mind...  ... even though Mogwai has saved the day for me.
Indie hate - you have to blame that into the idiots who label everything that hasn't been exposed to the mainstream audience as "indie". There's lots of "indie" sh*t.
Thinking that prog is still relevant today - well.... we're here after all... answering this poll... 
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 15:18
The T wrote:
"You obviously haven't heard/don't know..." - Well, it's kind of stupid trying to argue about things you don't know about or haven't heard... |
It's the assumption that makes the poster seem like a completely arrogant pseudo-intellectual that amuses me.
"If band X is here, then band Y should be!!" - Applying strict logic, it should be this way. |
Even if it advocates non-prog artists like Phil Collins or Joe Satriani?
"Add band X because they're better than band/genre Y" - Exactly. If band X is better than band Y, then we'll be better served having them here. |
This is amusing because it does nothing to further one's point about why the particular band should be added, especially if the band being suggested isn't prog...
Tracing prog as far back as possible (OMG 1840's prog!!) - This one IS amusing... people than want to see prog in Elvis... or in BACH!!! there was one thread: "Mozart prog?"  |
Agreed!
Adding non-prog bands - depends on whose definition of prog we use. |
And that is where the problem arises. Since we don't have a concrete definition of prog, the slope becomes ever the more slippery.
Post-rock hate - not an amusing ocurrence but a sign of a healthy mind... ... even though Mogwai has saved the day for me. |
It amuses me because people always resort to generalizations and irrationality when stated why they don't like it.
Indie hate - you have to blame that into the idiots who label everything that hasn't been exposed to the mainstream audience as "indie". There's lots of "indie" sh*t. |
And there's lots of "prog" sh*t, what's the difference?
Thinking that prog is still relevant today - well.... we're here after all... answering this poll... |
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Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 19:20
my favorite is a one-two punch of:
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 19:25
tracing Prog back as far as possible ..always a winner
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Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 19:27
^ "Yup, so massively impenetrable people died from brainmelt at rare live performances. Check out Czchwsyrtnievel! Live '73. Just great. Love Toyah's guest appearance. She can hiss like no-one else!"
Tihi.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 19:31
"OMG I just discovered this band that is SO avant-garde and now I hold all popular prog in contempt" threads
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 19:38
The T wrote:
"If band X is here, then band Y should be!!" - Applying strict logic, it should be this way.
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No, because you have to drawn the line somewhere. You could make the case for any artist in the world to be in prog-related based off X then Y, so at some point you've got to say no.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 19:44
^ and let the games begin !
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 19:45
If you didn't choose open-minded vs. close minded then you just don't GET it.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 20:23
"[I use to like Band X, but] now everyone likes them I don't even think they are Prog"
"Band X are my favourite band of all time, therefore they are Prog"
"Band X were better before Y left."
"How can they be Prog? They wrote a song in 4/4 time."
"Which part of Prog Related didn't you understand?"
my favourite:
"Punk killed Prog"
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 20:25
I aways vote for Y and I've never heard of X
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 21:10
jimmy_row wrote:
my favorite is a one-two punch of:
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Ah, a slight variation on
'Close To The Edge is so overrated. Real men listen to Relayer.'
Also we have
'Album X has too much filler.' 'Album Y is pretentious.' 'Album Z isn't really prog, so is mediocre.'
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Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 21:11
Real men DO listen to Relayer...
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 21:18
My favorite is the "I'm gonna run a prog elimination tournament!" where they then proceed to fill the entire front page of the polls section with boring-as-hell "KC vs. Genesis!" polls for a month.
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 21:21
LinusW wrote:
Real men DO listen to Relayer...
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Nah, real men listen to Tarkus. Wannabes listen to Relayer 
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Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 21:22

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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 00:38
"Robert Fripp is actually the second coming...."
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 00:57
Actually, your biggest omission is this one:
"progressive metal, which isn't so prog anyway, was actually created by {name of band with absolutely ZERO metal in their music, but more generally accepted as "prog" therefore more politically correct to mention than, say, Metallica or Iron Maiden}"....
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 03:26
lol
1. High Tide 2. ??? 3. Meshuggah (ala "profit!")
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 14:01
laplace wrote:
lol
1. High Tide 2. ??? 3. Meshuggah (ala "profit!")
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** spits coffee **
great post
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 14:25
Some people pay good money for used panties. (South Park Underwear ??? Profit! reference)
Here's one I just thought of, though not said directly, it has been rather implied:
"Regressive Rock (i.e. Retro-Prog) saved Progressive Rock" or "the spirit of progressive rock continued past the 70's thanks to later bands that sounded like they were stuck in the '70s."
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 14:34
I'd vote for either "2.5 stars really" or "ha ha ha" from two of our most loved contributors who shall remain nameless.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 14:55
I get a kick out of gratuitous put-downs of rap and punk.
Is anybody forcing you to listen to any of this music? Nothing like an easy target to make some folks feel big.
I used to get into if x or y then H belongs, but I think David has a warning buzzer that goes off as soon as I type a Capital H on my computer.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 15:01
Besides the one I mentioned, the most ridiculous one is "you don't like rap (punk, whatever), therefore you're close minded. I like them, so I'm open minded".
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 16:13
I love the "Which is your favorite" polls. They're always so constructive and positive. No one would ever think to make ridiculous, baseless, and denigrating comments about the other bands mentioned to defend their choice.
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 16:33
NaturalScience wrote:
I love the "Which is your favorite" polls. They're always so constructive and positive. No one would ever think to make ridiculous, baseless, and denigrating comments about the other bands mentioned to defend their choice.
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Oy, how could I have forgotten about this? 
"I'm voting for X because Y sucks!" "I'm voting for X. Y just don't know how to play their instruments..." "I'm voting for X because Y has the worst fanbase ever!!"
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 16:35
Avantgardehead wrote:
NaturalScience wrote:
I love the "Which is your favorite" polls. They're always so constructive and positive. No one would ever think to make ridiculous, baseless, and denigrating comments about the other bands mentioned to defend their choice.
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Oy, how could I have forgotten about this? 
"I'm voting for X because Y sucks!" "I'm voting for X. Y just don't know how to play their instruments..." "I'm voting for X because Y has the worst fanbase ever!!"
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Oh so many variations.
"Y is barely prog, whereas X is the GREATEST PROG BAND EVAR!!!111!" is one of my favorites.
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Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 16:47
Personal favorite, the constant stream of re-done threads - ex. the DT crusade a while back. Top ten album polls, or the ever popular " Is X the new Y?" anyway, i voted for "X is here, Y should be here." i get very frustrated when i see this and the posters always seem to fall back on it as they argue.
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 19:13
jimmy_row wrote:
my favorite is a one-two punch of:
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And you forgot that arguement clincher - only minus 2 copies are known to exist and I have all three. Or ... only 1 persons really gets their music, it is that artistic and ahead of its time. Or, if everyone heard this, it would sell a bazillion copies, because of its' obvious genius. 
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 19:19
LinusW wrote:
Real men DO listen to Relayer...
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Maybe, but do they like it ? 
P.s. - my favourite is "If you knew prog/religion/art/politics/music/the entire whole of knowledge so far accumulated by humanity like I do, then you would agree/see/understand why you are sooooooooooooooooo wrong ! I.E. not that I think I know everything, I KNOW I know everything !
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 19:23
OOh OOh OOh .. just thought of one - he/she is a noobie. Rank outdoes reason.
OOh OOh OOh ... just thought of another one - "Objectively speaking"                                                  OOh OOh OOh ... here's another one - "How dare you question X^$%#&*, he knows more about prog than you'll ever be able to", which is usually used to buttress one's own side of the arguement. And I thought Erasmus was the last man considered to have known all the knowledge available in books of his time.
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Posted By: Novalis
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 21:53
Definitely "if you don't like X, you are close minded".
But the "band X isn't prog/ is terrible/ overrated" is great. Congratulations, you have an opinion. Just as bad as the former in my opinion.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 22:50
tuxon wrote:
Prog is still as relevant today as it was in 1840. |
LMAO! 
Seriously, I don't know why I find that so funny, but the 1840 joke is one of the best I've read in a long time 
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Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 23:05
None of the Above:
Labeling everything into really weird subgenres. Hearing things like "prog pop" in Yes/Genesis 80s, "Smart pop" in supertramp as a genre of music.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 00:56
I know one of the most important;
"let's all laugh and joke about how we create repetitive threads, how we make ridiculousor pretentious posts, let's all comment about that, laugh and criticize ourselves.... then let's go back and do the same thing all over again!"  
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 01:18
Easy Money wrote:
I get a kick out of gratuitous put-downs of rap and punk.
Is anybody forcing you to listen to any of this music? Nothing like an easy target to make some folks feel big.
I used to get into if x or y then H belongs, but I think David has a warning buzzer that goes off as soon as I type a Capital H on my computer.  |
Actually, in my case, yes, all too often.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 01:32
TGM: Orb wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
I get a kick out of gratuitous put-downs of rap and punk.
Is anybody forcing you to listen to any of this music? Nothing like an easy target to make some folks feel big.
I used to get into if x or y then H belongs, but I think David has a warning buzzer that goes off as soon as I type a Capital H on my computer.  | Actually, in my case, yes, all too often. |
If you are saying you are being forced to listen to rap or punk then you either have teenage kids or you live in a college dorm room, ha ha ha.
When I lived in the college dorms in 77 I had to listen to lots of mediocre stadium rock ie Nuegent, Aerosmith, Foreigner etc, I'm still not too fond of music like that, but I don't hate it now as much as I did back then.
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 06:52
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 07:41
Avantgardehead wrote:
Oy, how could I have forgotten about this?
"I'm voting for X because Y sucks!"
"I'm voting for X. Y just don't know how to play their instruments..."
"I'm voting for X because Y has the worst fanbase ever!!" |
Don't forget the ever popular:
"I've no idea who X or Y are, but I'll put in an arbitrary vote for one of them + a generic reason to make me look like I've got an extensive music collection (whereas in reality I only own a poor cassette copy of Pallas's 'The Sentinel') and it also gives me something to do with my time in order to avoid having to face the horrific reality that is my dark, empty, meaningless, pointless existence, I hate being a teenager, I want my mum, and I want some milk & cookies, I appear to have soiled myself again"
Or is that just me...?
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 07:44
^ I got the vinyl when it first came out
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 07:45
...so did I... 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 07:56
Jim, have you got Lee's coat yet?
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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 07:57
Option 2. If Brand X is here then Brandy should be
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Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 08:00
darqDean wrote:
Jim, have you got Lee's coat yet? |
I hope so.I might have the sense of humour that I seem to have lost,somewhere in it's pockets.
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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 08:22
PA is just an amusing place in general.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 09:45
Man Erg wrote:
Option 2. If Brand X is here then Brandy should be |
Unfortunately, Garten appears to have drunk it all.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 12:29
You lott ar my beshhtesht matesh you are..
Basht'ds!
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 14:37
I'm referring to ALL of US. We love to overanalyze ourselves and the ridiculous polls and threads that sometimes take up a lot of our time... and then we go back to those same threads and polls!  I love to laugh at myself you know, I'm not spitting upwards... I'm doing a universal spit....
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 20:06
NaturalScience wrote:
Man Erg wrote:
Option 2. If Brand X is here then Brandy should be |
Unfortunately, Garten appears to have drunk it all.
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With some people, it doesn't matter the brand, just the alcoholic content. Personally, brandy is out of my league, budget-wise. That, and I haven't found a home brew store that sells a do it yourself kit. Mind you, even the ones for whiskey & vodka tell you that you'll just come out with 20% alcohol. That's not hard liquor, that's fortified wine.
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 20:11
The T wrote:
I'm referring to ALL of US. We love to overanalyze ourselves and the ridiculous polls and threads that sometimes take up a lot of our time... and then we go back to those same threads and polls!  I love to laugh at myself you know, I'm not spitting upwards... I'm doing a universal spit.... |
Yeah, i know. You swear off "what's your favourite song/album/band polls as being too juvenile, then you find yourself mindlessly debating that Rush's Caress of Steel is their best album. As if it wasn't self evident. Or at least it is evident to my self. P.S. Due to you, I still am planning to some day maybe possibly thinking of probably picking up a Dream Theater album. I just haven't decided which one I would, if I did actually carry it through. Any advice on these two points ?
------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Posted By: martinn
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 20:48
OMG Magma is so cool, Vander is da sh*t and I'm so funny that I'm gonna write Magma-related posts on every single thread!!

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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 20:50
martinn wrote:
OMG Magma is so cool, Vander is da sh*t and I'm so funny that I'm gonna write Magma-related posts on every single thread!!

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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 21:35
"Pierre Moerlen"
the baldies
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Posted By: martinn
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 21:44
el böthy wrote:
"Pierre Moerlen"
the baldies
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well, at least they are right
(and on-topic)
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Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 22:05
Seriously, what's all this about open-mindedness/closed-mindedness lately? It seems to be the popular thing to say to someone that doesn't like a certain band/genre. Can't people just listen to what they like....
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 22:16
martinn wrote:
OMG Magma is so cool, Vander is da sh*t and I'm so funny that I'm gonna write Magma-related posts on every single thread!!

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WURDAH MARTINN WURDAH MARTINN
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Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 22:28
"epic epic epic masterpiece, blows me away epic epic epic"
tho in terms of reviewing, this place is a lot better than most.
EDIT: I tend to overuse those words a bit as well 
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 22:36
Ha Ha Ha, also what about reviews that start off with "What more can I say about this album ... "
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 00:18
None of the above -- though you've listed some good ones.
I laugh until I cry at poll and thread titles containing absolute terms like "best" and "worst," ones which equate the subjective ("better," etc) with the objective, almost any poll containing "VS," poll titles with "dis sapointing" (sic) in them, and any & all posts which operate under the assumption that "prog" is a known quantity, and a clearly-defined "genre," as in: "Why don't you just list real prog bands?" Duh! Because no two people can seem to agree as to just what the "prog" is, you bonehead!
But what really, really "amuses" me to the point of apoplexy and teeth-gnashing, foaming MADNESS, are poll and threads with the ubiquitous, insulting "overrated" in the title. ("Underrated" is almost as bad.)
AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHH!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 00:44
debrewguy wrote:
The T wrote:
I'm referring to ALL of US. We love to overanalyze ourselves and the ridiculous polls and threads that sometimes take up a lot of our time... and then we go back to those same threads and polls!  I love to laugh at myself you know, I'm not spitting upwards... I'm doing a universal spit.... |
Yeah, i know. You swear off "what's your favourite song/album/band polls as being too juvenile, then you find yourself mindlessly debating that Rush's Caress of Steel is their best album. As if it wasn't self evident. Or at least it is evident to my self. P.S. Due to you, I still am planning to some day maybe possibly thinking of probably picking up a Dream Theater album. I just haven't decided which one I would, if I did actually carry it through. Any advice on these two points ?
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If you ever carry such a difficult enterprise through, I recommend starting with their classic and most revered album by anti-Dt fans (that sounded weird.. I mean, the album DT hateboys mention as the classical "they started good enough and never could repeat their success"): Images and Words.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 00:48
This is not a tendency but something that can get really annoying... or confusing.
Have you ever noticed when discussions turn interesting that suddenly is a complete mess of colors?
Have you ever been able to understand one of those?
Last one, I finally decided to stop trying to figure it out.
Only the persons in the discussion would recognize whhich post was whose. For the rest of us, it was like ancient egyptian...
Generally they get back to the original color when somehow says " I can't understand sh*t!"
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 02:12
^ Yeah T -- especially the really pale colours. Lord know, I avoid using colours whenever possible....
That, and fewkin' huge QUOTE PYRAMIDS! 
Oh, and MASSIVE, slow-loading sig pics too! 
And endless lists of songs and artists sans any illuminating commentary! 
And the lack of sleep due to staying up way too late on this pointless, addictive, wonderful forum....
THUMP! (falls asleep on floor)
------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 03:35
The T wrote:
I know one of the most important;
"let's all laugh and joke about how we create repetitive threads, how we make ridiculous or pretentious posts, let's all comment about that, laugh and criticize ourselves.... then let's go back and do the same thing all over again!"   |
Well, as long as I don't do any of the poll options or other ridiculous things, I'm allowed to laugh and joke about them!
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 07:44
Peter wrote:
^ Yeah T -- especially the really pale colours. Lord know, I avoid using colours whenever possible....
That, and fewkin' huge QUOTE PYRAMIDS! 
Oh, and MASSIVE, slow-loading sig pics too! 
And endless lists of songs and artists sans any illuminating commentary! 
And the lack of sleep due to staying up way too late on this pointless, addictive, wonderful forum....
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A few things which would do our beloved professor's blood pressure no end of benefit would be the following:
1 - Installation of a working automatic spell-check system.
2 - A system whereby the word "best" is automatically replaced by "favorite"
3 - "under-rated" and "over-rated" be asterix'd out completely
4 - For it to be made impossible to use the words "Dream Theater" in polls (at least if there are any more than 15 identical polls already on the front page)
It is actually possible for me (as an admin) to put #2 and #3 above into practice... I could also arrange it so whenever anyone types in the word "Pallas", the words "Poo-Head" are substituted...
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 08:26
Would that be Pallas as in "I have a photo of Jim Garten kissing his favourite Pallas album"?
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 08:28
darkmatter wrote:
Seriously, what's all this about open-mindedness/closed-mindedness lately? It seems to be the popular thing to say to someone that doesn't like a certain band/genre. Can't people just listen to what they like....
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You've never noticed the insinuated insistence that some propound whereas you listen to certain "difficult" masterpieces or bands until you admit, I mean understand their supposed brilliance. Fifty listens later, and I still don't get the rave reviewed & revered debut master opus by Uber munchies. I guess another fifty will make the difference. Too bad i don't have time to listen to the new Porcupine Tree album. I've heard that people actually like it on the first spin or two. 
------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 08:30
Would that be Pallas as in "I have a photo of Jim Garten kissing his favourite Pallas album"?
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 08:46
Jim Garten wrote:
Peter wrote:
^ Yeah T -- especially the really pale colours. Lord know, I avoid using colours whenever possible....
DB - I tried simple white, but I never get responses. Or was it because my post ran past 500 words. How about smileys' proliferation, capital letter free for ALLS, parentheses pandemics, asides run wild, never ending digressions, ever acidic aspersions, and the ever popular - big word trip through the thesauruseseseses.
That, and fewkin' huge QUOTE PYRAMIDS! DB - you mean those where 3 or more posters intermingle their arguments ?
Oh, and MASSIVE, slow-loading sig pics too! DB - yeah, that and a listing of their lastfm or whatever recent playlist. AS IF I CARE WHAT YOU'VE JUST SPENT TIME LISTENING TO ON YOUR COMPUTER !
And endless lists of songs and artists sans any illuminating commentary! 
DB - that reminds me of a good example ...
And the lack of sleep due to staying up way too late on this pointless, addictive, wonderful forum....
DB - ah sleep , perchance to REM. But this is not meant as an attempt to slyly introduce a debate as to the possible inclusion of that band in prog related.
THUMP! (falls asleep on floor) |
DB - (being francophone) quote Quoi ?
A few things which would do our beloved professor's blood pressure no end of benefit would be the following:
1 - Installation of a working automatic spell-check system.
DB - English or American ?
2 - A system whereby the word "best" is automatically replaced by "favorite"
DB - I think I drove Dallas Bryan & Rocktopus nuts making that arguement. And Favourite is Favourite. God save the Queen's English says this french canadian acadian ...
3 - "under-rated" and "over-rated" be asterix'd out completely
DB - Understood. Not only Asterix'd but Obelix'd, too. (let's see how many get that one )
4 - For it to be made impossible to use the words "Dream Theater" in polls (at least if there are any more than 15 identical polls already on the front page)
DB - DT ?
DB - How about the knowing attempt at insider status in using acronyms instead of the actual album's title ? WYWH, DSOTM, TAAB, APP, TFTO, CTTE, ITCOTCK, SOADBDCS, FOABP,TLLDOB,SEBTP ET AL.. Especially ITCOTCK. It almost reeks of something 'pornographic ...
It is actually possible for me (as an admin) to put #2 and #3 above into practice... I could also arrange it so whenever anyone types in the word "Pallas", the words "Poo-Head" are substituted...  |
DB - alas, Pallas is a word I use only as a last resort. I do love their song Arrive Alive.
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P.s. And the wrath inflicted when you are found guilty of not having read all 3000 posts on a thread and repeated something found on page 5 of 16. I only have so much time & so much beer before I lose the point of my arguement.
------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 09:17
debrewguy wrote:
God save the Queen's English says this french canadian acadian ...
3 - "under-rated" and "over-rated" be asterix'd out completely
DB - Understood. Not only Asterix'd but Obelix'd, too. (let's see how many get that one )
Especially ITCOTCK. It almost reeks of something 'pornographic ...
It is actually possible for me (as an admin) to put #2 and #3 above into practice... I could also arrange it so whenever anyone types in the word "Pallas", the words "Poo-Head" are substituted...
DB - alas, Pallas is a word I use only as a last resort. I do love their song Arrive Alive.
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And people who don't capitalize "French Canadian Acadian." 
Re the ITCOTCK, it has been noted long before -- I think it was our own acerbic (< no thesaurus used -- ever -- in my posts  ) Tony R who first dubbed it "ITCHYC*CK." 
And finally:
(the current scene in ye gaye olde Grey Roome)
Au revoir mon ami -- time to go to work! 
------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 11:29
chopper wrote:
Would that be Pallas as in "I have a photo of Jim Garten kissing his favourite Pallas album"? |
Damn you and your memory! 
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 11:38
That lack of copious and un-called for thread revivals.
------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want!
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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 15:33
I find Dream Theater discussions highly amusing.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 17:06
tardis wrote:
I find Dream Theater discussions highly amusing. |
Highly amusing? You must be tardis!
------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 18:14
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 18:14
Yes, a most astute observation on your part, Peter
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 18:17
I'm not going to read the whole thread right now (there's a common occurrence here, all to often people don't take the time to read what's been said, and so repeat someone else's point, when they could have added to it, or miss explanations already given).
These are not favourite tendencies, but they can amuse me as much as exasperate me.
In polls or lists, people saying, "Where the hell is so-and-so?" Which is especially obnoxious when someone has provided an "other" in a poll, already explained why they limited the options, or it's irrelevant to the subject (that can be funny). Again in polls, people who don't read the question and/ or the initial post and so don't follow instructions. I've played around with that a bit to see if people are paying attention, and have seen (or might have done it), a poll which asked for least favourite and various people mistakenly voted for their favourites.
Another one from polls: You have but two choices (say the question might be "which album sounds better to you") and someone votes for choice A because they haven't heard choice C. In many cases, one might at least expect someone who is going to vote to search for some streaming samples before voting.
Though it's true that music should not be treated like an Olympic event, I'm sure that many who voted in the Prog Olympics tournaments had never heard all of the options in each poll. Imagine a figure skating competition where the judges do not bother to watch all of the performances and so can only vote for the ones they saw (we weren't around for x's performance so y wins!).
Another Prog Archives tendency amongst some is to be so PC sometimes that people resist giving a negative opinion in band threads (and there are those who seem to take offence at people who dare to express that they don't like the same music)... I'd much rather see a mix of positive and negative opinions. It's a matter of taste, anyway, so why take personal offence? I also think it's very progressive of people to try music that will be harder to enjoy (one doesn't have to buy it, but try the streams here or at myspace). TO me it's been important to step out of my comfort zone and attempt different kinds of music, and like it or not, involve myself in discussion about the music. I find it sadly amusing how some people take someone else not liking (and expressing so) their preferred music as a personal affront.
Go ahead Art Zoyd haters, make my day!
Oops, I went into rant mode. And aren't those rambling ranters funny?
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 22:14
what's better? BitWoA, Retro, SWA, FP, SR, RM, UtF, A&E, PH, or TSONE?
those abbreviations drive me nuts and requires too much brain power to figure them out.
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: April 12 2008 at 09:21
Logan wrote:
I'm not going to read the whole thread right now (there's a common occurrence here, all to often people don't take the time to read what's been said, and so repeat someone else's point, when they could have added to it, or miss explanations already given).
These are not favourite tendencies, but they can amuse me as much as exasperate me.
In polls or lists, people saying, "Where the hell is so-and-so?" Which is especially obnoxious when someone has provided an "other" in a poll, already explained why they limited the options, or it's irrelevant to the subject (that can be funny). Again in polls, people who don't read the question and/ or the initial post and so don't follow instructions. I've played around with that a bit to see if people are paying attention, and have seen (or might have done it), a poll which asked for least favourite and various people mistakenly voted for their favourites.
Another one from polls: You have but two choices (say the question might be "which album sounds better to you") and someone votes for choice A because they haven't heard choice C. In many cases, one might at least expect someone who is going to vote to search for some streaming samples before voting.
Though it's true that music should not be treated like an Olympic event, I'm sure that many who voted in the Prog Olympics tournaments had never heard all of the options in each poll. Imagine a figure skating competition where the judges do not bother to watch all of the performances and so can only vote for the ones they saw (we weren't around for x's performance so y wins!).
Another Prog Archives tendency amongst some is to be so PC sometimes that people resist giving a negative opinion in band threads (and there are those who seem to take offence at people who dare to express that they don't like the same music)... I'd much rather see a mix of positive and negative opinions. It's a matter of taste, anyway, so why take personal offence? I also think it's very progressive of people to try music that will be harder to enjoy (one doesn't have to buy it, but try the streams here or at myspace). TO me it's been important to step out of my comfort zone and attempt different kinds of music, and like it or not, involve myself in discussion about the music. I find it sadly amusing how some people take someone else not liking (and expressing so) their preferred music as a personal affront.
Go ahead Art Zoyd haters, make my day!
Oops, I went into rant mode. And aren't those rambling ranters funny?
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Long posts are my favourite non-ironic progarchives tendency. It could be said that more people need to make them. By me.
and I don't mean long in this direction =P
Paragraphs are neato. There are a lot of posters who have been here for years yet almost never bother to elaborate on their feelings, stances and tastes and as a consequence they remain rather anonymous and homogenous. I think it's a little sad that people log onto a forum to say almost nothing at all.
Forum: an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest. I hope that everyone realises the keyword buried in that definition is "discussion" rather than "formation of lists" or "snarkism" yet right now it's often blood from a stone-alicious. ;P
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: April 12 2008 at 12:20
We FCAs are too humble to capitalize our ethnic descriptor. That's how we managed to avoid being assimilated by the english majority. They didn't notice us too often. Though some of them now understand what the term "tete carre" means (sorry, english keyboard, no accent grave or aigue) available). I am proud to say though, that my Ancestor Great great (i'm not sure how many greats, but ...) grandfather landed at Bouctouche around 1755 as a result of the deportation. I am also proud of the fact that no one in my family , paternal or maternal side, goes on whining, complaining, or in general insisting on some sort of apology from the Queen about the deportation of 1755. It happened, but it does not have any effect at all on our life today. Acadians, as an ethnic "bunch" are still around and having more fun than most. If the Queen should apologise for anything, it would be for marrying Phil, that greek interloper, instead of a good canadian boy like Clapton's mom did. And lastly, apologies to Laplace. I would have extended this missive to my usual over consumption of space, but my wife suggested some incomplete renovations that I could busy myself with. And being that our daughter is sleeping over at Memere's tonight, there's no harm in getting foreplay under way early 
OH, I used to remember the rules as to when to use commas, semi-colons, other grammar thingies I can't remember right now, and also when to begin a paragraph. But sometimes I can't handle thinking when I'm writing. 
Now where did I hide that Hammer and Nails ???
------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: April 13 2008 at 14:16
Option 4 the amusing thing about it is that I have fell into that category many times in the past.
------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: April 13 2008 at 14:33
Isn't there a Magma-related option in this poll? 
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 14 2008 at 07:30
debrewguy wrote:
We FCAs are too humble to capitalize our ethnic descriptor. That's how we managed to avoid being assimilated by the english majority |
Now there's a post which will not be read by many; it's (a) intelligently written & (b) uses words longer than those which certain members, more comfortable with that wretched 'text-ese' will be familiar with
laplace wrote:
Long posts are my favourite non-ironic progarchives tendency. It could be said that more people need to make them. |
Many do, but few take time to actually read them... which can lead to another of PA's wonderful tendencies - long rambling arguments about trivial (so-called) facts, which (a) have nothing to do with the original thread, and (b) could have been avoided in the first place had the original post been read not just looked at... 
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: April 14 2008 at 13:24
Jim Garten wrote:
debrewguy wrote:
We FCAs are too humble to capitalize our ethnic descriptor. That's how we managed to avoid being assimilated by the english majority |
Now there's a post which will not be read by many; it's (a) intelligently written & (b) uses words longer than those which certain members, more comfortable with that wretched 'text-ese' will be familiar with
laplace wrote:
Long posts are my favourite non-ironic progarchives tendency. It could be said that more people need to make them. |
Many do, but few take time to actually read them... which can lead to another of PA's wonderful tendencies - long rambling arguments about trivial (so-called) facts, which (a) have nothing to do with the original thread, and (b) could have been avoided in the first place had the original post been read not just looked at...  |
I blush as I thank you for having read & commented on my little piece. I also had to go back & re-read to see what was actually intelligent about it . I do read the long posts, but only those of certain PA members. And I don't mean just those that quote or reply to mine.
------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 15 2008 at 07:38
debrewguy wrote:
I blush as I thank you for having read & commented on my little piece. I also had to go back & re-read to see what was actually intelligent about it |
Don't ask me, I only know it was intelligent because I didn't understand a word of it
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: April 20 2008 at 07:33
When I've been here long enough, I'll vote and let you know. This is me saying nothing of consequence.
------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew
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Posted By: jetson
Date Posted: April 28 2008 at 15:17
In my short PA existance I have seen lots of Dream Theater posts, but I guess that the most amusing statement is "If band X is here, then band Y should be!!"

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