Are you a "progressive" listener?
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Topic: Are you a "progressive" listener?
Posted By: CCVP
Subject: Are you a "progressive" listener?
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 13:57
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I wonder what is this site main user: the progressive or the conservative prog listener? If you guys keep discovering new bands, keep trying to find new things or if you listen only the same old bands. Another thing in this question is: do you guys listen more old school prog (70's prog and prog made today that sounds like 70's prog, such as Glass Hammer) or modern prog bands (neo prog, prog metal, new wave of symphonic, etc). In my case things are pretty balanced: i listen old school prog and modern prog almost 50/50. Now what about you  ?-------------   
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:03
| Not sure why one would need this website if they weren't in a mindset of discovery; at least that's my approach - progarchives has been the best thing to happen to my enjoyment of music in my entire life, the sheer number of incredible discoveries has been mindblowing. The particular genres I'm exploring now happened to have had their heyday in the 1970s like almost all prog, but there are a number of modern bands I do enjoy and I am certainly open to listening to exceptional music of any decade. |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:09
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I think at least 70% of everything i listen to is from the 70's. Not that i don't like the modern stuff. But todays music can't beat Uriah Heep, Deep Purple, Yes, King Crimson, Zappa... |
Posted By: pianomandust
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:15
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I think that I have a nice balance, but tend to go with more modern and extreme types of prog. My ratio is probably about 70/30 for new/older. I do love to mix things up though and on my playlist, it goes from ELP to Messhugah, and from Genesis to Unexpect. There is something about progressive metal and tech/extreme metal that always catches my interest, but I still love and respect the 70's prog (ELP is pretty much the greatest IMHO). ------------- and then there was music... |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:20
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I have a decent amount of 70's prog and Genesis is among my favorite bands... But it's the era I hear the less prog from... I listen to contemporary prog much more, and come to this site also to find new music. There must be a reason why my cd collection keeps growing with no stop... ------------- 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:24
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I'm always on the lookout for new to me music. The last few years
(I've been using this site since well before I joined) has been a
constant voyage of discovery, though it has slowed down somewhat. I've
discovered many old bands that were new to me as well as more recent
ones. I listen to many bands/artists from every decade represented at
this site. Most neo-prog, prog-metal, and neo-symph is not for me. Post '70s, it's particularly Zeuhl and RiO/ Avant that has held my interest, but I also listen to later Progressive Electronic, and bands/ albums from other categories. I find the avant prog, chamber prog, scene very vibrant today, still great Zeuhl coming out, and great modern Canterbury Scene music. I would have lost interest in this site if I had lost a passion for musical exploration. I don't find myself trying to expand my collection nearly as rapidly as I once did, though, and find myself listening to albums that I've had for quite some time much more than I did, but then I have a large and quite diverse collection. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:26
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king crimson, gentle giant, jethro tull, pink floyd, and yes were my favorite bands about two years ago, but now I don't listen to them at all because I'm too busy with other stuff, old and new. i suppose that puts me under progressive listener. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:27
And why your pockets are always empty...  |
The T wrote:Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:29
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I've heard a lot of the albums released this year. Hated most but I've discovered two or three albums I would have disregarded had I not been undertaking such a alarmingly noise-to-signal-ish endeavour. =P
also I listen to prog half of the time and other things the other, blah blah blah ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:31
true, i can never hold more than R$100,00 (something near U$62,6) in my wallet and i am constantly flat broke. -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:36
Prog creates more poverty than the Bush administration...
 Seriously... prog is nefarious for my economy... It's like I'm buying all I can until one day I have a family and prog has to take the back seat to other more important expenses...
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:39
I have a family. Trust me, the prog expenditures have not diminished.  |
Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:44
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I do listen to a couple bands every single day like Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree, ELP, Opeth, Rush, a lot of BTBAM..but there are a lot of other bands I listen to a lot now.
Looking at the site right now, I listen to bands in the categories of:
-Prog Metal (A lot)
-Tech/extreme prog (A LOT)
-Folk prog (JT only really)
-Heavy Prog (A lot)
-Experimental/Post metal (a decent amount)
-Psychadelic/space rock (a decent amount)
-Cantebury (just got into Caravan, very good band)
-Italian prog (just started listening)
Also, I'm not positive what most of the common 70s prog (elp, yes, kc, kansas, genesis, etc) falls into but obviously I listen to them.
I'm pretty much exploring all these sub-genres of prog everyday and finding new music all the time.
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Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:49
I don't have to worry about a family for a long time, but when I do have one (if I do), I have a feeling I'll still be purchasing a lot of cd's, I'll still be on the forum, playing prog, buying tickets to prog shows all the time, but instead of going with my friends, I'll be dragging my wife and kids along .-------------
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:51
in my case, prog DOES makes me poor. on the other hand, more important expenses would be prog for your children. After all, the future of prog is in their hands! -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:56
Truer words are rarely spoken...
So I better start a fund for the children.. not for their college but for their "prog education"... more and more cd's! -------------
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 14:58
You've hit on something here...let's go in together for a "No Child Left Behind" grant.  |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 15:12
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/\ what about a "best prog father of the year" award? -------------
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 15:20
i will go a bit off topic here, but i have ever had a doubt and this may be the opportunity to kill the doubt: why you must have a fund to have college education on "1st world countries"? Is good college education only available in private colleges and is it so expensive that you have to save your money for decades so your children would be able to have that education? -------------
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 15:26
College education in the United States is unbelievably expensive, to the point of lunacy. Public (state) universities are less expensive but still very costly. To offset these gargantuan costs, young people need to borrow an incredible amount of money such that the need for a good paying job after graduation is all the more pressing, as you are now in a lot of debt. And if you want to go to medical school, law school, or some other graduate studies...you could have education debt until you're 50 years old! Young parents like myself have already started college funds for their children (my son is not yet two years old), and even then I feel like there's no chance of me saving enough to cover the costs. |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 15:34
| Don't know how you'd classify me. Yes, I do mainly listen to (and am buying) 70s stuff, but I wouldn't really consider myself a conservative listener. I feel that, if I missed Canterbury/Zeuhl/Symphonic the first time round, I might as well stock up on that instead of getting some modern prog metal that I won't generally care for. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 15:35
  WHAT? That should be against the law! Damn, i know Brazil has yet to improve its education quality and our system to get in collages is not very fair with people who were to public schools (the best basic schools are private), but at least everybody have a chance to try its way to collage education (our best collages are federal universities, paid 100% with tax money, so there are no extra expenses, even tho private collages are becoming better every day. The law college i study, for example, is private and is the country 8th best and is the best law college in my state, even better than the federal one; however, it is fairly payable, not entering the ridiculous prices of US colleges). -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 15:42
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Yes.... that's how it is here.... The biggest economy in thw world with no universal health care and no free education....
But at least there are tons of prog bands here! -------------
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 15:44
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Federal and state governments provide some education tax credits to help with some of the burden of the cost of educations and the federal government allows a deduction for education loan interest, but these are limited mostly to lower income taxpayers. Some states allow for free community college education to residents (at least I have heard that California does this). There has been talk of increasing the federal tax credits but who know if and when those will see the light of day. Sort of like universal health care. Good idea; awfully expensive; and would ultimately have to be paid via increased taxes. Possibly, what is known as a "progressive" tax. Back on topic, I think like most I fit in to both categories. I listen to 70's prog and music that sounds similar to 70's prog, but I also like to explore the modern bands. Some I like and some I don't but at least I am interested in exploring outside of my comfort zone.
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 15:46
and you can destroy the world 3 times with your atomic bombs  -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 15:46
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 15:47
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Constantly looking for new music, but mostly listening to tried and true favorites.
------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 15:48
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Basically, yes. And no - when the children are at college, they have to either be funded by a parent that's been able to save a considerable sum, or borrow an amount equivalent to their first years' wages once they've left college.
My wife left college with debts of around £25000, and that's normal these days in the UK, I understand.
Sometimes I wonder just how 1st world we really are, with the amount we pay in taxation, and the recent hikes in Local Government, Fuel/Energy and Food costs.
The whole country is in debt - including the leadership party - so you could say we don't actually own anything, as it's all on tick.
Anyway, as far as progressive listening is concerned, the answer is probably.
I do tend to find myself listening to the era between 1966-73, as that's when most of the really exciting music was written - everything since has been a bit of a rehash, on the whole.
The only real exceptions came in the dreaded 1980s that people love to shudder about - but considering the explosion of metal and the development of thrash (something that didn't exist in the 1960s), the electronics-based groups, the New Romantics, Neo-Prog, the re-vitalisation of Ska, the transformation of punk into the more intelligent New Wave, The Smiths, Sonic Youth - and so on.
But the 1960s is where it all started, and the 1970s where it was brought to a head - and, as a consumate historian, that's where I tend to find most listening pleasure, as I trawl around trying to pinpoint the birthplace of Prog Rock (if it exists). Everything started in that era - specifically sometime in 1965. Unless you count Rock'n'Roll, which started in 1955 - or was it earlier? The 1920s? You see where this is going? ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 15:53
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I like my music as I like my taxes: progressive. I had to say that even though is false. My taxes I like progressive, but my rock-music collection, though 80% made of bands listen in PA, is much more varied and my tastes as I said cover the whole spectrum of prog.... I'm not so much into the newer experiments with too minimalist music or lack of tonality... I'm not that avantgarde you know.. So I'm not quite fully progressive in my listening habits... -------------
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Posted By: Relayer09
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 16:00
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I like new music as long as it's good. Being a progressive listener is only good if the new music you are are listening to holds up to or surpasses the standards of what came before it. Some new music succeeds and some fails. I find myself listening to Purcupine Tree, The Mars Volta, Dream Theater, Shadow Gallery, Spock's Beard, Transatlantic and Arena quite alot but I tend to listen to older prog a bit more than the newer music. ------------- If you lose your temper, you've lost the arguement. -Proverb |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 16:13
Gotta agree with you here Ivan: i also believe that this new wave of prog were born in the 90's with the Scandinavian Symphonic Renaissance and the prog metal boom of the 90's and also believe that Neo is the most limited sub-genre, the one that less evolved. However, since prog "died" on the early 80's (probably 81, with the releases of Moving Pictures and The Wall symbolizing the end of an era), i consider neo a modern genre. To see how neo is limited, just check the top 100 albums and you'll only see 2 neo prog albums separated by 15 years. -------------
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Posted By: *frinspar*
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 17:23
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I started really getting into prog around the time I turned 16 or so. At that point I was into metal more than anything. So I tended towards more aggressive music that could really excite me. I've always craved something that leaned more towards being interesting than it was consistent. A regular beat with predictable structure bored me. Anything that metamorphosed as the song progressed really appealed to me. So when prog metal was being born, I was very excited. But at the same time, I always remembered the things I heard growing up. That included bands like Genesis and Yes and other "mainstream" radio prog. I guess I came at prog sideways. I was born in '72, so I was too young for the birth of it all. But I was able to appreciate the offspring of those early bands. So I grew with the music going forward with the new stuff, as well as seeking out the original stuff. And I continue to search for music both old and new all the time. Sometimes I have to calm down and listen to what I have instead of looking for something new Classic or contemporary, as long as it's new to me, it's new to me  And I will always look for new music that excites me. My wife fell in love with the Smashing Pumpkins when they came about. And that is her absolute favorite band. She can listen to nothing but Billy if she had to. But she does like other stuff. Just not as much. And I have exposed her to a lot of things. Some of which she's actually let me put in her ipod  And she has only recently actively started looking for new music that really moves her. I told her it's not so bad as long as she's happy with what she already has. And she has a hard time liking anything else, holding them up against her favorite, the Pumpkins. But I just can't seem to stop looking for something else. It may be reminiscent of another band or bands, but if it's created with any measure of care, well executed and not too derivative, I'm willing to give it a shot. And I'm probably much more familiar with newer stuff than older. But as long as it's there to be found, I'll run across it at some point. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 17:47
| I only listen to pre-1989 artists, so there we go. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 18:56
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I've always been a seeker out of new music ever since I became a hooked on prog. I got that way because back in the day, late '70's, there was already an established bunch of progressive music with plenty to explore backwards. In fact, thanks in no small part to this site and despite the large amounts of artists I discovered back then, I'm finding there's still lots of stuff to try out from that era. But for me there's no better time for prog than the present with plenty of old and new stuff to enjoy.
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Posted By: *frinspar*
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 19:11
Almost all of that I can relate to.  I "fell" across this site a few years back Googling for something about prog and found this to be a treasure trove of good recommendations and opened doors to music I'd missed or never heard of. And yeah, I'm as much about what's coming down the pike as I am what's already out there. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 19:14
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/\ prog archives also helped and still helps me a lot, when it comes to finding new prog bands or knowing the feedback of some album. -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 19:27
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I wouldn't say Neo Prog is limited, by the contrary, but the natural evolution of the situation stopped a further development Neo Prog is somehow a paradoxical evolution of Symphonic, because normally evolution goes from simpler to more complex. Neo Prog despite the beauty and excellent work of several bands tends to gather more mainstream elements than Symphonic. So Neo Prog suffered a contradictory evolution, from complex to simpler (In general terms), but still Neo Prog offers us excellent bands and very unique elements never presented before. But why? I believe because Prog natural space was very limited in the early 80’s , the alternative market was absorbed by Punk and later by the hybrids developed from Punk like Post Punk and New Wave, on the other hand the mainstream market was absorbed by that phenomenon called Disco. And the public towards Prog was directed mainly (Concerned University students of the 70’s) changed ideals and became the Yuppie generation that got tired of complexities and took New Age as the mechanism to relax themselves more than a challenging genre as Prog. So Neo Prog had a very limited audience, and had the need to capture new people or vanish, so they went for an intermediate market that didn’t existed, but when this new sub-genre was starting to evolve by own merits and with the influences from Japan and Poland (among others), the Swedish Symphonic Movement gave a great jump towards complexity again and Neo Prog had to stop evolving. Now limited? I don’t think so, despite being structurally simpler than Symphonic, Neo Prog gave for the first time in Prog history the real role deserved to the guitar, this instrument was no longer the background of the keyboards but took the front line. Just to finish, Neo Prog was trapped in the limits of a decade and short musical space to develop, but their important mission was to keep Progressive Rock alive in a decade that didn’t wanted Prog. Iván
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Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 21:24
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I am always in search of new and groundbreaking music. Where better to find it than progressive sites. There are so few artrock or experimental websites that feature bands that cater to my whims. The prog sites introduce me to what I'm looking for in music and it may or may not be purist progressive. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 22:24
| Well being 'of a certain age' I'm obviously old-school, which is to say I grew up on and prefer to listen to prog from the early era. But my brain has not atrophied to the point that I don't enjoy new music. So I look forward to new Tool and Mars Volta (and sometimes Rush) releases, and rediscover relative rarities (at least in the US) that I never heard back in the day, e.g., Os Mutantes. And I pick up any new stuff from Gilmour and Knopfler. Though not prog by any stretch, those two seem to run at about my speed these days . I can see how they would not appeal to listeners considerably younger than myself. But that's the great thing about the site here. Maybe I'll find something new (whether literally new or new to me). |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 22:27
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I am always listening to new music (I have barely even listened to some of the things I've bought) and I don't pay attention to what era something is from, but I probably like much more modern prog, at least recently. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Luke. J
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 06:14
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So.. 70's prog is maybe the period of which I enjoy the music the most. After that comes the progressive metal. That's it. To be honest, I do not like the modern bands in most sub-genres. For some obscure reason I can not seem to see what is so great about them. There are exceptions, though. As someone else mentioned, I do not really care for the time, yet most music I like is from the same decade That said, I am still discovering modern music, but most of it has nothing to do with prog..
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Posted By: Darklord55
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 06:50
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I have a family. Trust me, the prog expenditures have not diminished.  [/QUOTE] I agree. I think mine actually increased. However retirement is just around the corner. Yoo Hoo!!! That I'm afraid will cause me to lower my cd purchases.
 Or maybe I could cut the food budget. By the way I call myself a progressive listener, always discovering and listening to the old and new.!!
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 09:18
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I think I am a progressive listener, but most of today's prog simply bores me to death. and I find a lot of new pleasures in music which is not considered to be prog, like the French trio Hadouk (featuring Didier Malherbe of Gong) or oud player Rabih Abou-Khalil. one of the newer prog bands I find exciting are the Red Masque, which in my opinion get way too little attention
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 09:27
| My listening habits go through phases, but I think that somewhere in the nineties music (and the arts in general) suddenly became way too self-conscious for its own good. I can count on choosing a random album released in 1978 and finding it to sound much more spontaneous and natural than a random album released today. |
Posted By: Luke. J
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 12:54
Thank you, for now I am able to express my thoughts
 The word I was looking for was "constructed". Yes, I consider modern prog to be more constructed but composed. Those bands who say "let's do prog" too often try to force their music in an old suite, with lack of more individuality (no, I am not only talking about some neo prog..). Otherwise, there are bands who play such an unlistenable noise and then claim to be "experimental". Those dissonant tones are a wall between me and the whole genre (please do not quote from Pink Floyd here!). Sometimes too monotonous. Also I miss the happiness. Most prog nowadays is much too depressing for me.
Ha! That's it! Post made! Thank you!
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 13:12
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I listen mostly stuff from the 70's prog or hard rock. But there are some bands that I like that fall into Alt Rock, Grunge, New Wave, Pop, Neo-Prog, Retro Prog, etc, but those I listen, umm, 35% I think.
70's 65% I suppose, or mor 60's,80's,90's and 00's 35% or less. Although from of your questions, YES, I'm constantly looking for new bands, mainly influenced by 70's, or some rare 70's ones. But as I said before, thx for PA, I discovered the Retro Prog and Neo-Prog, that thse IMO are modern bands, everything since 80's I consider modern. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 13:15
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holy cow, old school is definitely stronger that modern prog
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 13:18
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 16:33
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I love finding new music. That being said, I rarely listen to any prog that isn't from the 70's and the vast majority of stuff I download is indie, post-rock, jazz, or black metal. I'm very picky about actual prog and haven't been able to find very many bands outside of the big and bigger names that I enjoy.
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 18:16
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Of coure we all are progressive listeners , with progarchives I have reailzed that there can be pretty good bands from the 80 s 90 s and 00 s that can make some good ol' prog.Although the golden era is the golden era and no one can deny it. |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 18:35
I feel the same , there's no need to be that depressing.I mean did someone beat Steven Wilson to death in his childhood?? Because I can't think of another reason that justifies PT being soooooo depressing.It can really bring you down.Also there is a lot of fake teenage angst to get teenagers to buy the records in a lot of cases.
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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 18:43
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^ It's depressing because of a thing called catharsis. Old prog is as much depressing as new prog. You can't say that Peter Hammil's lyrics are uplifting, now can you? |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 21:50
Yes of course they aren't but lots of bands nowadays are really depressing.Besides the music is depressing.With VDGG , You had depressive themes but the music , I find it quite uplifting.
I can't say the same about "Fear of a blank planet" as an example.
By the way, where did you get that Hadouken thing???
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 22:09
First of all: ROTFLOL Second: pink floyd is not a trip through the flower fields either. . . . . Third: ah come on, forget Steven Wilson and Daniel Gildenlöw. Seriously!!! They both need a lot of happy pills. Besides, there are lots of today's prog that is happy. Take Glass Hammer, Dream Theater, Symphony X, Neal Morse, and so on. -------------
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 01:45
See the thing is though if more people have degrees, they are devalued. The point of getting a degree is to prove you have special skills. It's simple supply and demand. I'll agree that it's a bitch but the world is just that way. Stupid world.  This is why that as it gets easier and easier for people to get degrees, higher levels of degrees are becoming the standard. In engineering, you pretty much need a masters anymore. There are tons of my fellow classmates that just slack off and still manage to graduate. It's getting to the point where pretty soon you're gonna need a ph.D just to work at McDonalds. Of course the stranglehold of Big Business on the US Gov't also has a lot to do with it as well. Our govenrnments practice of throwing money at rich people to stimulate the economy needs to stop. Eh, whatever, enough of my wacky political views that noone agrees with. I'm pretty much a centrist, so I'm hated equally by all parties.So anyway, back on topic , I'd say I'm fairly progressive, I discover new artists or new works by artists I already know quite frequently, though I have plateaued as of late. Mainly, I'm just going back thru the ridiculous amounts of music I have already acquired and I'm making sure I give stuff a thorough listen. So far this year, I have discovered Ayreon and Univers Zero. Quite a schizophrenic taste I have, no? |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 01:53
| Hmm well, in general I'm a progressive listener. In the prog world I'm maybe a bit conservative. I mostly like the old prog bands, but like a handful of newer prog bands, but mostly prog metal, and post/math rock bands when it comes to new bands. |
Posted By: 33rpm
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 03:09
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I agree with Natural Science, why would you use this site if not to discover new music. I was a teen at the birth of progressive music and listen to the early giants often, but I am extremely happy to say that because of this site I have discovered many new and old groups in all genres that I would have never been exposed to otherwise. All in all I would say my listening time is about 70/30 in favor of the new discoveries, at least for now. ------------- Vinyl just sounds better!! |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 03:51
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When i found out this site i wanted to find out more great prog bands ofcourse and since i started to visit in 2005 i been trying bands from allmost every sub gener, i get bored easey if i lisen to the same type of music so i wana have a wide music collection with losts of difrent styles i try to test some modern bands to but so far my main discoveris are old prog bands. I always try to be openminded about music and prog is yust one of many styles of music i lisen to even tough its one of my favorites ofc. ------------- 
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Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 06:51
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I began my progressive addiction by classics such as Magma,Mahavishnu Orchestra,King Crimson,Yes,Genesis,Soft Machine...........I really enjoyed them and still do.After I discovered krautrock
Amon Duul 2 is really my favourite alongside Guru Guru,Ash Ra Tempel and Faust......Italian prog
also made its way through my brain but I'm not only a seventies fan(I was born in 1976),I enjoy discovering
new bands such as Atheist,Cynic,Circle,Pharaoh Overlord,The Mars Volta,Beardfish...It's great fun to
listen to music and keep being enlightened.Prog is made for discovering new lands. ------------- I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world of searchers with the help from crimson king |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 07:13
Must admit I am guilty of ignoring the newer genres on PA like prog/post/math/tech metal etc which means I'm probably missing out on a lot a really good new music. However I have forced myself to listen to some Dream Theatre and Tool and can honestly say that the former sound as though they were conceived while their parents were fully clothed and the latter couldn't have picked a more apt name. It stands to reason that not all the new stuff sounds like those two does it ? (I need convincing otherwise) ------------- 
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 10:59
| Although I consider most of the best Prog to come from the 70's I listen more to newer Prog. I'm always looking out for that next great discovery and have made many here. I tend to listen to my new albums more, prog or other genres and I'm so familiar with most the 70's classics so they tend to take a back seat. |
Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 11:37
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70s Prog for me, totally out the loop to new music, seeing as i only really collect Vinyl But if anyone got some Tips on Anything worth searching out ,???? ------------- 
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 11:40
*laughs* those are fairly accurate descriptions of those two bands. but there's plenty of new music still being added to the archives that's good and probably more relevant to classic progheads than bloody Tool =P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 14:45
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Posted By: Publius84
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 18:12
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I think, I'm rather a progressive one. I'm on my great jurney through the music still seeking for the Holy Grails of progressive, but not only, rock. Most of the music I listen to is the classic '70 prog rock, but I also love some new stuff like Anekdoten of Riverside. ------------- I know what I like and I like what I know... Prog is in my heart, in my mind, in my soul... |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 19:29
No, not all new stuff sound like those two great bands. Not at all. but for the convincing, look elsewhere. or better yet, read some bios and reviews , and go buy some albums or download some legal music... we really aren't here to convince you that not everybody was conceived by fully-clothed parents or that not everybody should be sold at The Home Depot. -------------
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 19:32
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God Damn it T! Cant f*cking believe that you have the DT biography with their autographs!
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 19:54
How much of classic prog sounds like Yes and Genesis?
I'm sure the recommendations forum will be able to provide you with a lot of suggestion if you ask or search through the old threads. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 20:17
When they send it to me, I'll post my pic with them... such a wonderful concert and meeting them even better... Now, back to the thread... -------------
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 22:26
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Posted By: Demonoid
Date Posted: June 02 2008 at 08:44
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Well, prog. related- i just love all types of prog! No bias towards prog. rock or metal...like both equally. Also, why is it that some prog. heads hate dream theater and symphony X  (and quite a few prog. metal bands in general)I find prog. metal to be as enjoyable as prog. rock. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 02 2008 at 11:46
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Posted By: One-Eyed Joker
Date Posted: June 02 2008 at 13:14
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Im about 70% classic prog, and maybe 30% modern prog |
Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: June 02 2008 at 18:41
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I can't help myself with 1970s music, especially if it's kinda eccentric. Don't even remember the 70s, but I can't escape from that particular musical decade!
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Posted By: bernsteinp
Date Posted: June 03 2008 at 18:10
| I'm definitely an "old school" prog listener. my favourite prog band is the 1973-4 lineup of king crimson, followed by (in a tie) the "Edge" lineup of Yes (i consider eddie offord a former member of yes, by the way0, and Emerson Lake & Palmer (discounting love beach |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 03 2008 at 21:19
Or they genuinely don't find it interesting? Why are you assuming they are acting in bad faith? A persecution complex doesn't help your "cause". ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 03 2008 at 21:44
Because "don't like" is one thing and "hate" is another. The guy said that
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 03 2008 at 23:15
Not really. But does your whole argument rely on how strongly you parse the difference between "hate" and "strongly dislike"? Because I don't think he meant that people genuinely want to slowly torture LaBrie to death by cutting him with snapped DT CDs.
But even if they did truly hate the music, which is OK, or want to murder LaBrie, which is less OK but you can't have everything, what does "prejudice" have to do with any of it? ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Josh_M
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 00:29
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Mostly old and new. A lot of psychedelia/prog rock from the 60s and 70s like: The Doors, Uriel, Jethro Tull, The Moody Blues, Grateful Dead, and Comus. I also listen to a lot of new progressive music like: Opeth, Porcupine Tree, Anekdoten, Symphony X, and Tool. ------------- Always the summers are slipping away. |
Posted By: ozzy_tom
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 10:13
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I constently discover new bands...but usually new for me. In general I only listen to 70' prog and 70' inspired ones. New prog is too boring for me, or doesn't sounds like prog (for example Prog-Metal). -------------  
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Posted By: Demonoid
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 12:45
Well then, tell me the point of throwing random comments like what you said "want to murder LaBrie" or "*Insert band name here* are worthless sh*t without any skill" I don't like quite a few indie/rap artist, but i just stay away from it...instead of bashing them. The bashing part only comes, if the band members really are fags/attention whores.(which DT/Symphony X surely aren't). And what do you mean by 'Less OK'?! |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 13:41
you know, i may not understand how you measure the weight of your words, but hate is a word pretty strong to me. . . "Strongly dislike" is to not like, but also not having any kind of negative feeling towards it. "Hate" is to not like and ALSO having negative feelings towards it. For example: i don't like Tool, but i hate Panic at the Disco. -------------
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 14:12
In most cases, I do not consider hate to be a very strong word and usually don't see it used as one. It's just a stronger synonym for http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/hate?view=uk - dislike most of the time, unless you really really mean it as in like wanting to literally murder someone, but that's rare. How can you say dislike, much less strongly dislike, http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/dislike?view=uk - means apathetic ? http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/apathy?view=uk - Apathy is a completely different word.
But now, since you hate Panic, are you being prejudiced?
I have not seen that kind of attacks here. I'm sure they exist somewhere, but the internet is a large, scary, and painfully stupid place, so the horrible parts of it shouldn't be used as any sort of argument. But why is it you who have the power to decide when it is acceptable to bash a band and when it is not? Mild homophobia aside, of course.
Less OK and murdering James were jokes. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 14:25
Yes. Buts its not really about the music, its more about the way they act and the stereotype that they try to pass to their fans. I mean, i don't hate that whole emo subculture, but the bands pas the fans such a negative attitude, and that is just wrong, like things such "rebels without a cause". That may be some kind of punk inheritance, but since punk is so "weak" today, emo kinda represents the genre. Besides, hate IS a strong word. -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 15:31
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Hate shouldn't be used in music... well, maybe with Sigur Ros....... No, not really... I absolutely dislike and can't stand many emo-pop bands, but that doesn't mean I want to have the singer from Fall out Boy in front of me so I can slowly bleed him to death... But surely we can choose a better word for our taste...
Love is also a weird word.. when you say "I love Labrie" you know it sounds kind of weird...
It's better not to use those feeling-related words when writing a review. Yes, they don't mean literally what they mean, but in a good review, those should be ommited. Or explained I guess.
In the forum, we should understand that "love" and "hate" have other meaning and just let it be...
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 15:34
true T. Another thing: how the hell could you take that picture? When they were touring down here they only allowed a few chosen ones to go backstage.  -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 15:54
Well, the same here. Just a few million bucks (not really, but expensive) and I was in the second row and was able to meet them. -------------
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 16:16
Exactly, I'm not talking about a more formal review, this is casual conversation. In casual conversation about these things, hate is no longer a very strong word. But dislike is not the same thing at all as apathetic.
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 06 2008 at 19:38
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Posted By: Lytter
Date Posted: June 07 2008 at 15:36
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I guess theres no standard reply to an entry like this. I wanted to lift Brongl to the attention of the prog listender (faeroic), they had a special tune in the eighties. Nowadays there's Farmer's Market and Luna Laguna, both norwegian. Balkan boogie or tech retro. Interesting both. Check them out! |
Posted By: Speesh
Date Posted: June 07 2008 at 20:57
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I'm always trying to expand my palette, I find it all kinds of rewarding. Hell around a year ago I listened to Gentle Giant's Octopus trying to figure out how anyone could possibly like it. Now not only is it one of my favorites, but I've learned to appreciate albums like Happy Family's Toscco, Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica, Henry Cow's Western Culture, and Bungle's Disco Volante. Four that I once deemed completely unlistenable. I've always loved the transition from not understanding something to appreciating it, almost like listening to two different albums .
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 09:44
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Apart from my 35 years of Pink Floyd listening, I'm new to prog (I've enjoyed a lot of experimental avant garde music for decades, as well as the traditional plethora of 'classic' bands, punk, funk, soul, and daft pop) So I'm a progressive listener - I haven't yet delved much into the modern era, there's too much just from the first five years that I haven't heard yet. I've still never heard any album by Yes, and only two by King Crimson, and three by Genesis I'll get around to them one day. Like I said, there's too much out there as it is ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 10:50
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35 years of Pink Floyd ! Ain't that called 'The Wall' ?
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: June 09 2008 at 08:26
| I saw some different opinions here, wich is ok , but the newer bands sounds sometimes copy/paste to ones from the "70's. Of coures exceptions are and not every band from today is like that but some of them are really bad and unintristing. I listen 70% old stuff and the rest new. But is so much to discover old bands not only new bands. Even from the old school are some outsanding bands that never reaches a world wide recognition. Anyway my opinion is that the prog from today is miles away from what was made in the golden era of prog. Today the prog movement is more like rock or metal combined with good keys , wich is totaly different from the "70's. |
Posted By: Luke. J
Date Posted: June 09 2008 at 13:23
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That is due to the fact that early progressive rock (or whatever it was called back then) was a melting pot of jazz, folk, classical, rock, pop, r'n'b and so on. Today, most prog is a stew of 70's prog with some modern elements (which too often means to make songs more simple). This way, a lot of the roots got buried and need to be digged out to be discovered My problem with modern prog is also that it sometimes narrows itself too much (added for a reason to not purchase some new stuff recommended..) |
Posted By: WinterLight
Date Posted: June 09 2008 at 22:47
Education is not a commodity. However, paper credentials do evince one's capacity to kowtow to the whims of arbitrary authority.
In which sense is it "easier" now for an individual to obtain college degree, or for that matter a graduate degree?
For the more technically demanding jobs, sure. Please understand that the graduate-level curriculum uses an approach quite distinct from the more or less clinical training one receives as an undergraduate.
The degree doesn't guarantee you employment, however. Of course, certain industries only care that you've earned the degree, regardless of your GPA; others, however, place not a little weight on such factors.
I agree with you on this point. Washington basically serves the interests of the very wealthy, not (ostensibly) you or I. In any case, and on topic, I listened to "modern" music for so long, that I've grown somewhat jaded by it. Listening to music from the 70s is really rather refreshing for me. It appears to me that an entirely different zeitgeist influenced the music (and film, for that matter) of that era than the one which dominates our present time. However, there are current exceptions to that broad generality (in particular, I'm thinking of Opeth). |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 16:01
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hello i think that i'm a progressive listener, i like a lot the 70's stuff but also i do like some post rock , math rock and jazz influence prog.
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Posted By: agProgger
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:12
To quote the latest bit from Mars Volta, "You better not talk if you came here for semantics. It's only a matter of folding time and space before I become your epidemic." Or maybe just that first sentence... yeah probably. Anyhow, as for me, it's probably 85% new, 15% old. As for seeking out new bands, I'm practicing my drums in most of my free time, so between that and work, there's not a lot of time for seeking new bands (though I should). The archives have been a huge aid to me in the past in vastly expanding my musical horizons, though. It all started years ago with one guy showing me Liquid Tension Experiment back in early high school, and it sat there in my mind for a long time until my freshman year of college when I got a DT CD, at which point I was the biggest DT fanboy for about 6 months. Right now, though, I've been looking into the extremely heavy sections of prog metal as well as very light music, not so much the middle ground in between, which I consider to be bands like Tool or Dream Theater. I have 2 King Crimson CD's and 1 Pink Floyd CD, and other than that, it's just a few Rush CD's, which I consider to be more modern-sounding even back in the time of Farewell to Kings. ------------- Friend of the honest; enemy of the arrogant and closed-minded. |
Posted By: MonkeyphoneAlex
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 11:21
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Recently I've been getting into newer prog (Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, The Flower Kings, GY!BE, dredg), but I love older stuff like Magma, King Crimson, Yes, and Zappa. Music is timeless. ------------- "Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is THE BEST." -FZ |
Posted By: proggrl
Date Posted: June 24 2008 at 10:10
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Not only am I a progressive listener - taking in the new prog - sprinkled with the old, but I am also open to all other sorts of music and genres - even some I'd probably be flamed for. I may be a music whore but I remain now and foremost - a proggrl! :)
I love discovering new music... my wallet however ... not so much. ------------- The downside of being better than everyone else is that people tend to assume you're pretentious. |