Pescado Rabioso for consideration
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Topic: Pescado Rabioso for consideration
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Subject: Pescado Rabioso for consideration
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 10:51
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Hello PA fellow members, i hear thsi wonderful Argentinian band and i think that should deserve to be in PA, his albums are surely Heavy Prog. Desatormentandonos and 2.
Tell me your thoughts  -------------  |
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 10:59
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Hmm, I would say that the closest thing of Prog with Pescado Rabioso, is Prog-Related. Desatormentandonos has longish heavy BLUESY songs, with very few and slight prog hints. It's a great Hard Rock/Blues record, but Heavy Prog? Don't think so.
I would say yes with a medium-size stretch for Prog-Related. |
Posted By: anoah
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 17:43
I love them. Invisible too, who are already here. 
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 18:01
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Listening to songs from their myspace ( http://www.myspace.com/artaudpescadorabioso - http://www.myspace.com/artaudpescadorabioso - is this the one?) and don't find anything prog. Just acoustic, bluesy music...
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 18:05
| ^not sure, becuase the hyperling isn't put correctly. I'll search in Youtube, hang on. |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 18:06
I fixed it. ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
cacho wrote:Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 18:09
I'll check out, meanwhile you check out this one which is the closest thing to Prog he(Spinetta) did with this band: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flBF9cvjgGU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flBF9cvjgGU Artaud, the one you checked out, is really a solo album by Spinetta, but for contractual reasons or something of the style it had the name of Pescado Rabioso. |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 18:11
You should check the first two albums
And by example check these songs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT7aLYE6vpg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT7aLYE6vpg
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 18:29
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Ok. I'll inform the Heavy Prog Team. ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 18:35
| ^I'm sure they'll be rejected, if you can and want, of course, tell the admins since they're the Prog-Related team, right? |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 18:40
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^ i suggest that first we try to Heavy Prog and then PP. ------------- |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 18:47
PR you mean, right?  Really Alberto, I can't hear Heavy Prog on any of their albums. Serpiente which I put the Youtube video there, would sounds quite Symphonic ala Genesis with bluesy heavy stuff, and that's really the only track that stands out as prog related in that album. I'm not saying it's a bad album, I LOVE IT, but don't think it's Prog, largest stretch would Prog-Related, anyways, what's the problem on trying, right? I'll listen to Pescado Rabioso 2 now, in some minutes after I finish ITWOP |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 18:48
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Not really sure about this, but ages have passed since i last listened to Pescado Rabioso, i will check them again, being an Spinetta project doesn't mean to be necessarily prog, anyways prog related could work for me now. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 20:29
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Don't try to find similarities between the bands sound. Just do the following: If Steely Dan is in Progarchives , why not pescado rabioso.
Also , almendra for Proto Prog. And Invisible is labeled wrongly under symphonic prog. it's jazz rock where they belong
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 10:23
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Any Admin, what happen to the evaluation??? ------------- |
Posted By: JulioSouth
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 10:48
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Just cheking this thread for the first time...
I have always thought of PR as hard rockers and not really prog. Kind of Zep or Sabbath but with a softer and poetic side. Crucis and La Máquina, for instance, were to me real prog bands, but it's just an opinion, mind you  ------------- "I'll be right there, I'll never leave; All I ask from you is Believe" |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 11:25
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I think that PR is or prog related or Heavy Prog ------------- |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 30 2008 at 16:48
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I would say Prog-Related. Desatormentandonos and 2, have quite a bunch of Prog tracks. As Alberto said, any admin had taken consideration of this inclusion? |
Posted By: GonzaloProg
Date Posted: December 04 2008 at 10:41
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I think it Rabioso fish as part of Progressive Rock is fine, beyond
that Spinetta has taken (more than anything in "Desatormentandonos")
influences from blues and heavy as Led Zepeliin (by more than bad him
despite the "Flaco" jaja) or Deep Purple. The double disc is full of
items prog, as the suite "Cristalida" Greetings PS: Invisible is not Symphonic Rock, maybe it can be Crossover Prog, as Pez -------------  GSR Series
http://themusicalprogblog.blogspot.com/"> 
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 09:07
| Bump! |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 11:34
| I am sorry to disappoint all of you PR fans, but the band were rejected by the Heavy Prog team in November, and the team members thought they were not even suitable for Prog-Related. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 13:37
 I can't believe this...... Well.....
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 13:54
| I hope you realise, Pablo, that adding them because they are a good hard rock/blues band would mean to add just about another thousand bands of the same kind. The HP has evaluated a lot of similar material, and many of those bands have gone the same way. In the Seventies, most acts had some relation to prog in their sound - but this doesn't mean we can add them all on the strength of just 'some' relation. And Prog-Related is NOT (ask the Admins if you don't believe me) a dumping ground for rejected acts, nor was it ever meant to be so. |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 13:56
Second that  ------------- |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 14:38
Can't I express my opinion of dissapointment? I didn't say you(reffering to the team) didn't evaluate them bad, just wanted to express(once again) my dissapointment. If the team thinks they're Blues/Hard Rock, fine for me, for me they also are, but with a relation to Prog as to be in Prog-Related, but I won't insist. "And Prog-Related is NOT (ask the Admins if you don't believe me) a dumping ground for rejected acts, nor was it ever meant to be so." Why wouldn't I believe you? Do we have a bad relation in PA? On the contrary Raff. I respect you, and I think you're a very wise woman, specially in the Heavy grounds of music, you also know the site way much better than me, so I don't think I could ever not believe you on something like that. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 14:53
I just stumbled upon this thread, interesting because a few years ago I received (while working for Progwalhalla) a bunch of progrock CD's from Argentina, including the 3 Pescado Rabioso CD's. In my opinion the first and third are bluesrock based (with hints from Wishbone Ash) but on the second album (simply entitled Pescado 2) a keyboardplayer was added (mainly on Hammond organ), due to his powerful contributions Pescado Rabio their sound is very similar to Jane, a bluesrock band with progressive tendencies, also on Prog Archives: yes, indeed, the infamous "band X, now Band Y theory" but PA their confusing band addition policy welcomes to use that theory  !
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:05
| Look, like it or not this site has a process of evaluating bands, people took the trouble to carefully assess this artist and made a decision. Not every decision made about an artist is going to please everyone - that doesn't mean that this site has a "confusing" policy, on the contrary it is quite straightforward. |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:07
I second the opinion of Erick, the extremely subjetive points of view of the teams can be very confusing sometimes or in other terms can be very arbitrary. ------------- |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:12
The point that i see is that the process of evaluation is not quite clear, as far as i know nobody uses a metodology to evaluate an addition of a band, nobody cares to inform the results to the members unless we have to ask, i think that maybe PA need a Oficial Speaker or something like that, to communicate the results of the evaluation and rejection/addition of a band.
Extremely subjetive the decisions i insist. ------------- |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:19
Please, could yuu be so kind as to suggest such a methodology? I would be grateful if for once people didn't just limit themselves to criticising, but made constructive proposals - and CONCRETE ones. As to having an 'Official Speaker', I took the time to inquire from my teammates as soon as I saw this thread bumped. I've just replaced David as the head of the HP team, but in spite of that I acted quickly out of courtesy for the thread starter. I think you should appreciate it, instead of attacking us for 'lack of methodology'. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:20
Well, the one thing I will grant you (and apologize for), is that we have a team of Site Monitors (you can see I am one of them) that is supposed to keep tabs on suggestions and post updates in the original thread. Sometimes suggestions can slip through the cracks and an update is not provided, but please know that the site recognizes that the results do need to be announced, and we care very much to keep everyone as informed as possible. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:26
Ok.... firstly I was to apologise to Raff for putting her in the position of writing in this thread, when back in November, she didn't actually take the decision regarding PR, so please don't fire your bullets at her...
The decision over PR was NOT taken lightly, and they were discussed by the then 3 members of the HP genre team at length, before being rejected in a straight 3-0 vote. The principle reason was that while we all enjoyed the music, we really felt it had too much of an experimental blues feel to it, and was neither guitar oriented enough for HP or progressive enough for PA, for us to pursue further, by recommending to another genre team.
While we appreciate and applaud your enthusiasm for the development of PA through band submissions, I would ask you to be a little more respectful toward those who have to make these decisions. They are often not easy, but we attempt to do our best for the site.
Thank you. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:27
Thanks for your support Alberto  , let me say this to you: after 5 years on Prog Archives I am very disappointed about the musical direction towards Classic Rock Archives and the confusing/inconsequent band addition policy, this thread is just another example. Last year I have decided to stop suggesting bands, I have stopped to write reviews on the homepage but I have sublimated all my frustrations into a new (pretty well viewed and visited) thread entitled My Old & New Progressive Bands Thread where I can write, along the usual genuine progrock, about The Tubes, The Stranglers and Angel, lovely, that's my very constructive answer  !
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:29
| ^thanks for letting us know how the procedure went. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:32
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Pablo, have you ever heard the saying, "don't shoot the messenger"? In this case, I was only the messenger, and wanted to do my duty of informing you about the team's decision. I trust next time things will go much more smoothly.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:34
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I wasn't shooting you. Just those cats
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 18:26
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 18:33
Your welcome Eric! ------------- |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 18:50
Do not Worry about that Natural, you always be polite and friendly and i'm grateful for that.  ------------- |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 18:52
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The Stranglers, The Tubes and Angel. What a fine trio of Prog Rock bands whose addition would make any self-respecting Prog Rock site complete.
Hurrah for opinions!! |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 18:56
Fandango: I'm always be respectful for all the members of PA, i haven't use bad or offensive words or something like that as you can see how is my behaviour here, since i decided to participate in the PA forums.
Of course i appreciate the work that you do for PA, thank you, but i think in your place I try to justify with contundent arguments the addition or rejection of a band, there are plenty of write material that you can use.
Well as a humble "senior member" , my voice and critic is through these forums.
i think that if you want to build a Methodology of how can you evaluate a band i glady help you. ------------- |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 18:57
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And don't forget, Kiss once released a concept album and Abba had keyboards and complex arrangements.
Whaddya waiting for? Get suggestin... |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 19:12
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the rejection of Pescado Rabioso was made under my watch, I gladly and gleefully take full responsibility for it, and would welcome any lame-brained attacks on my judgment... c'mon, I'm begging |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 19:18
Please Alberto, I wrote simpler Resolutions to accuse a criminal when I was working in the District Attorneys office.
This is ART, not a trial.
The only things you need to decide if a band is added are:
Alberto, I checked the link you provided:
This is not methodology, this is a resolution of approval or rejection in legal format, nothing more. Methodology is what we have:
The way we make public our decision is simple, you can visit Progfreak, enter to PA and check by teams the bands approved or rejected and see what members voted yay or nay. We don't need a Public Proclamation. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 19:21
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and BTW; when you DON'T hear a decision you complain and when you DO hear a decision you complain.. what's it gonna be, hmm ? |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 19:31
David, you are my friend and i will respect your desicion.
 Case closed.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 19:37
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OK I'm sorry Alberto, forgive my quick temper |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 19:40
Don't worry David, i'm do errors too, and i know when i do those...
Cheers ------------- |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 20:04
Where's Trial and Error when need him?
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Posted By: SgtPepper67
Date Posted: January 17 2009 at 09:33
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I love Pescado, one of the greates argentinian bands, but I don't consider them a prog band, they were a hard rock band. Maybe they could be included as prog related the same way as Led Zep was. ------------- 
In the end the love you take is equal to the love you made... |
Posted By: Tycho
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 14:01
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Too sad it got rejected I also thought it could make it to PR, it must be really hard for the people making those decisions! There are so many great bands just scratching prog sounds over the world... and we sure can't start making them all part of PA. Anyways I'm sure any prog fan will enjoy this masterpiece by pescado Rabioso: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYf05YTrO8U - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYf05YTrO8U |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 14:30
spoken with eloquence and maturity, Tycho... a very welcome first post...
and a warm welcome to the site...  ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 14:36
Seconded ! We need more people like you, Tycho. A very warm welcome from me too!
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 14:38
^does this bump mean that PR will be re-considered?
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 14:42
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Wow a thread about Pescado Rabioso reaches three pages!!! Probably not prog but Pescado 2 totally smokes the White Album I mean it
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 14:45
no, but your demotion back to Senior has been discussed... at length...
------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 14:47
^ That's not funny you know, unless you re-consider PR
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 15:33
| I think the rabid fish has finally died. |