PA's Battle to Stardom C3: Rush v. Magma
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Topic: PA's Battle to Stardom C3: Rush v. Magma
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Subject: PA's Battle to Stardom C3: Rush v. Magma
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 21:41
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Please: If you are not familiar with one or both of the band's material, I urge
that you use the links provided and at least listen to the samples on
their respective pages (or Youtube if the particular band has no online
streaming).
Rush's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=609 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=609 Magma's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=646 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=646 ../artist.asp?id=343 - As always, discussions are encouraged. Recap: Round 3 C1: C2: C1: forum_posts.asp?TID=53258 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53258 C2: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53336&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53336&PN=1 Round 2 B1: B2: Emerson, Lake and Palmer v. B3: B4: Van der Graaf Generator v. B5: Rush v. B6: B7: Le Orme v. B8: B1: forum_posts.asp?TID=52648&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52648&PN=1 B2: forum_posts.asp?TID=52714 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52714 B3: forum_posts.asp?TID=52795 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52795 B4: forum_posts.asp?TID=52869 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52869 B5: forum_posts.asp?TID=52956&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52956&PN=1 B6: forum_posts.asp?TID=53056&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53056&PN=1 B7: forum_posts.asp?TID=53114&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53114&PN=1 B8: forum_posts.asp?TID=53181&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53181&PN=1 Round 1 A1: A2: A3: Emerson, Lake and Palmer v. A4: A5: Can v. A6: A7: Van der Graaf Generator v. A8: Samla Mammas Manna v. A9: Rush v. A10: A11: Henry Cow v. A12: A13: A14: A15: A16: Gentle Giant v. A1: forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2 A2: forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1 A3: forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1 A4: forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1 A5: forum_posts.asp?TID=51711&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51711&PN=1 A6: forum_posts.asp?TID=51778 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51778 A7: forum_posts.asp?TID=51855 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51855 A8: forum_posts.asp?TID=51928&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51928&PN=1 A9: forum_posts.asp?TID=52011 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52011 A10: forum_posts.asp?TID=52091 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52091 A11: forum_posts.asp?TID=52158&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52158&PN=1 A12: forum_posts.asp?TID=52246 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52246 A13: forum_posts.asp?TID=52336 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52336 A14: forum_posts.asp?TID=52411&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52411&PN=1 A15: forum_posts.asp?TID=52487&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52487&PN=1 A16: forum_posts.asp?TID=52571 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52571 ------------- 
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Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 21:42
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Magma by a distance equal to the one between Canada and Planet Kobaia.
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 21:43
First vote for Rush. Yay! Although it's not easy to vote against the almighty Magma.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 21:45
In this poll, it is pretty easy/ |
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Posted By: febus
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 21:45
I am waiting for Patrick-Naturalscience to show up on this thread...can't wait 
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 21:46
Come on Pat, show 'em what you got
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 21:46
Because I think Rush will win, I voted Magma. My old flame vs. my new love, I'm going to take my bottle of Vernaccia and hide now.  |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 22:12
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RUSH is my band. Love MAGMA but... ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Single Coil
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 22:29
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I think that RUSH is more influential among musicians. ------------- If it's worth playing, it's worth playing loud! |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 22:33
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^That's because more musicians have heard of Rush. |
Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 22:47
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The power trio
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Posted By: MrEdifus
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 23:28
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Rush!
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Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 23:51
Depends on which musicians we're talking about
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 00:15
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Seriously? MAGMA? RUSH! ------------- |
Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 00:17
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Magma. Congratulations rush fans ------------- This is not my beautiful house... |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 00:24
Sorry Magma 
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 01:24
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Magma, of course. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 04:32
| I draw the score equal, but with pain in my heart... |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 04:52
 There's one good thing I can say about Rush: I see a lot of Magma-fans with (ageing) Rush-avatars, so I guess its a good starting point. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 05:10
| Ha. I don't know, both bands have their moments, but I'm equally unlikely to listen to either. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 06:17
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Magma, surprisingly enough.
It's interesting to see how many people like both bands - I've got a lot of time for Rush myself, although I mainly like them for the AFTK - Moving Pictures sequence of albums. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: splyu
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 06:38
| What I've heard of Magma so far sounded ok. I may have to explore them more. But I can't see them beating Rush no matter how much I might get into them. |
Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 07:09
| Rush! |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 07:35
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Alex, I could vote for Magma because Dave Hope lost... But I couldn't in good conscience do that to our northern neighbors. Besides, made up languages only make me think of geeky comic book fanatics.  "Yes, I prefer Magma. Rush is the worst band EVER!" ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 07:53
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A no-brainer for me. I never really understood why so many people on this site are so excited about Rush. Before I came here I did not even think of them as "prog"; I had filed them under "hard rock". That may have to do with the way they were marketed in Germany. I don't recall anyone calling Rush a prog band here. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 07:59
Let's see... "2112," "Natural Science," "Freewill," "YYZ," "By-Tor and the Snowdog," "The Fountain of Lamneth," "Cygnus X-I," "Cygnus X-1, Book II," "The Necromancer," "The Trees" Need I go on? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 08:07
While I'm about as interested in Magma as I am in Rush - that is not very much - this can very well be reversed into "I never really understood why so many people on this site are so excited about Magma". I believe the whole "We sing in an allegedly weird 'space' language" - gimmick is a major part of it. As someone who speaks a much, much weirder language every day (only half-joking here) and has heard some absolutely beautiful unearthly languages that were very much human languages, Kobaian leaves me cold. The music? It's ok, rarely better. Break it down into its individual components (fairly easy, Magma's music is hardly as seamless as some might think), and you will wind up with much more interesting music. |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 08:08
Yes. Just add Jacob's Ladder, La Villa Strangiato and The Camera Eye, just for good measure....
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Posted By: jimidom
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 08:42
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As much as I love Rush (and have for decades), these days I find Magma's music far more interesting. ------------- "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 09:15
Best Comic Book Guy quote EVER.  -------------
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Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 10:08
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Both of these bands leave me quite cold. They can actually even annoy me from time to time. Still I think Rush is the semi-clear winner, because they've made some really good tunes too. Serves Magma right for making "Troller Tanz". ------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: mellors
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 10:14
| I love both bands, gonna go with Magma just to make it a little closer. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 10:20
Just to make it clear: I do not doubt they belong here. But that does not change the fact that I had always thought of Rush as a hard rock band before I came here. No-one I knew considered them to be a prog band. Not that anybody used the term "progressive rock" anyway; I sincerely doubt the term already existed at all in the 70s. People just never compared them to, for example, Genesis or Yes, they compared them to Deep Purple or Led Zeppelin. And keep in mind that "hard rock" is a lot more than "playing loud and heavy" all the time. I considered Led Zeppelin to be a hard rock band too, and there are many Led Zeppelin songs with lots of quiet passages. But I never saw that as a contradiction. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 10:27
To each their own, but my line of thinking towards Magma tends to agree with this paraphrasing.
As far as my vote goes, no surprises there, as it was a forgone conclusion from the get-go as to where my vote would go. ------------- 
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 11:01
Both are in my top 3, and it does seem interesting and odd to me just the amount of people who do like both bands quite a bit. -------------
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Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 11:02
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Rush is great, but I'm much more into Magma at the moment. A much more creative force.
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 11:10
| RUSH!!! |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 11:39
Believe me, it has nothing to do with the language at all. You probably have to see Magma live, a pleasure I had twice, to fully appreciate their music. It is really heavy. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: splyu
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 12:03
I reckon that guy would more likely be a Rush fan though. |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 12:12
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Same! I would think that 2112 and Xanadu would have him all over Rush!
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 12:28
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Magma all the way, rush is a okay band but they never did very much for me. ------------- 
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 12:30
Most, if not nearly all, music sounds better live. |
Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 12:39
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Magma by far. -------------  |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 13:00
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Rush for me. Who the hell are Magma anyway? ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 13:01
check this link please: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=646 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=646 ------------- |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 14:08
Oh right, you mean that Argentinian folk band?  ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 18:40
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Not surprisingly, I voted for Magma. I could throw out one-liners such as "Magma iss de hundin," or "Theusz Hamtaahk, mm, Theusz Hamtaahk", but it would not do Magma justice. I adore that band, and for me it's one of the most transcendent bands in the archives. Here's that wonderful link that Song of Copper found again (sure to tickle your funny bone, or perhaps some other bone altogether, like maybe your head-bone): http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/231570006e/magma-misheard-lyrics-philosophy-war-from-kleistgeistzeit - Magma Misheard Lyrics: Philosophy War!
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 21:19
| So hard to vote... |
Posted By: Treasure
Date Posted: November 18 2008 at 22:11
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Magma is cool and all but Rush is Rush.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 09:33
Rush is Rush indeed.  Rush was great when I was on the periphery of progressive music. Now they just sort of take up space. I think I listened to Caress of Steel once this year, and that was it for Rush. Listened to AFTK and Hemi last year to do reviews. Magma on the other hand has grown more and more over the years. Their genre has opened doors to some incredible bands from around the world. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 10:14
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I prefer Magma, although Rush's 76-81 albums are all excellent! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 13:46
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Don't particularly care either way. Rush did a couple of classic albums. Magma did a couple as well. Both receive extremely devoted fans. Don't think either are as good as the fans seem to... Probably Rush, on the balance, but not voting. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 14:13
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For me, I think both had quite a number of excellent albums (and in both cases, it's live releases that really appeal to me) Rob, do you have this album? 
1981 ../album.asp?id=3312 - Retrospektīw I-II 4.64 (21 ratings) ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 14:27
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It's a tough poll for me because each band appeals to a completely different listening "sector" of my brain; if I'm in the mood for Magma, I probably wouldn't want to listen to Rush that day (or at least right after), and vice versa - I get in these listening "moods" (as I suspect most here do) and as such it would appear to me incongruous to play a record by each of these bands back to back. They each have qualities the other one lacks, for me, (i.e. don't bother isolating this sentence and flaming it). I like that the prog "universe", in so much as it's defined here at PA, encompasses so many artists with such disparate approaches and sound that I can usually find something prog which can scratch whatever music itch I currently have. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 14:53
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Please.
Magma = overly-genius music which can't be enjoyed more than a few hours every month
 Rush = enjoyable music which can be enjoyed every day, as long as your ear withstands the extra-high frequencies that G. Lee's voice is capable of producing...
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 15:31
I listen to Magma every day  |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 16:00
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Magma is a great band but sometimes is very self indulgent and annoying specially when the none stop chanting starts. so my vote goes for The Awesome Trio from CANADA........which I dedicated my last collage.. ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 16:03
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Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 16:04
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 16:11
Bingo! The very mention of that chanting makes me want to vote for Rush, and I think I will. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 16:58
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Rush = not my cup of tea, too unoriginal Magma = pure genius -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:10
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I'm really impressed that Magma is relatively near from Rush. I thought it would be like "three digits over one digit" defeat. Against all odds we tried, but Rush is just... too popular... ------------- This is not my beautiful house... |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:13
I wonder why  |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 20 2008 at 09:14
Me too - if you'd tried this poll on here 3 or 4 years ago it would have been a very different story. Given that Rush is a much more popular and famous band (they even had hit singles hither and yon) whose albums probably sell 10 times as many as Magma's it's even more remarkable. It's also been nice to see a fair amount of respect going both ways, and (as I posted earlier) a lot of people who enjoy both bands. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: peskypesky
Date Posted: December 25 2008 at 23:34
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up until today (and for the past 30 years), i'd have chosen Rush. but i've been listening to Magma all day and they have finally conquered me. it's taken me a couple of years to "get" Magma, but now that I have, they have catapulted to near the very top of my prog canon. i mean, they are up there with the big boys: Yes, Genesis and King Crimson. at least for me. now i've been a big Rush fan since i was 11 years old, so this choice is not easy....but Magma it is.
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Posted By: peskypesky
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 00:35
...but none of which my girlfriend can stand. |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 09:08
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magma WON?
WOW............  ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: Grimfurg
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 09:53
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Hell yes.
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 12:16
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Waitwaitwait... *looks at votes again* Magma 53 Rush 49 Wow. I'm impressed. I take it back, Rush aren't that overrated. |
Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 13:14
I ask for a re-match  ------------- This is not my beautiful house... |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 13:52
| From what I have heard which is little I am liking Magma. It might be from being overexposed to Rush on the radio all these years. |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 14:18
At the time this poll was closed, no, Rush had won. Since then, it seems Magma have received a good share of votes. -------------
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Posted By: Grimfurg
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 18:05
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Really? God dammit.
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Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 01:59
| Whoa, when did this happen?! I never thought I'd see the day... |