Military-like drumming
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Topic: Military-like drumming
Posted By: Abilene
Subject: Military-like drumming
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 12:31
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Hi I don’t write here very often but now I need your help. I have weakness for military-like drumming and I adore a few songs I already collected which are: “Magdalene (My Regal Zonophone)” Procol Harum “Mr. Street Fair” Machiavel “A Man for All Reasons”Argent “Drummer Boy of Shiloh” The Fairfield Parlour “Back Door” Kansas “Guillotine” Deep Feeling Only short samples here but still... “Harvest of Souls” IQ “La Marche des Hommes” Morse Code All of them are great compositions and I would like to hear more prog songs with such drums - one good thing army gave us I apologize if I am using wrong musical terms, I hope you’ll understand what I mean - if not, listen to “Magdalene” |
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 12:34
Explosions In The Sky, just about every song. 
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 13:03
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I'm going to take a shot in the dark here on precisely what you mean and suggest "Abaddon's Bolero" by ELP.
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Posted By: meptune
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 13:16
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Maybe the march in 7/8 at the beginning of Genesis' The Battle of Epping Forest or the militaristic groove in Apocolypse in 9/8 from Genesis' Supper's Ready. ------------- 
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 13:20
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The Pipes And Drums 1st Batallion Black Watch -The Ladies From Hell. I think you`ll find a lot of military drumming here. MusicScotland.com
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 13:28
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I thought of Test Dept (very, very far from Prog-Rock) whose some pieces were driven by loud percussions on a military-like beat. I also remember of a song from experimental punk-rock band The Ex, "Lied der steinklopfer" (on their anthology "Singles. Period") |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 13:50
There's exciting military-style drumming (by none other than the great Pierre Moerlen!) on the anarchic 'Ooby-Scooby Doomsday', one of the bonus tracks on the 2004 digital remaster of one of Gong's most enjoyable albums, ANGEL'S EGG. 
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 14:04
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EROC ( Grobschnitt ) does a lot of military-like drumming.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 14:31
Interesting, I've never considered Moerlen's style to be millitary. I stand behind my Explosions recommendation, Chris Hrasky sounds very millitary to me. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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fuxi wrote:Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 14:36
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Magma.
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 14:42
Well, that ooby-scooby thing is meant as a parody, of course... |
Posted By: mourningknight
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 14:43
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Celebration Suite Part I by Return To Forever(a short solo in a very military,marching band style)
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 14:57
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Tarkus from ELP (I forgot the part; Aquatarkus?)
And White Ship from H.P. Lovecraft
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Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 15:23
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Fugazi ending section by Marillion ------------- yet you still have time! |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 17:05
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Barclay James Harvest - Summer Soldier (studio version)
If memory serves there's some "military drumming" ...or something similar on the Campo di Marte album and maybe on the Osage Tribe one ("Arrowhead), but I would have to check and make sure... ------------- Signature Writers Guild on strike |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 18:18
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Jethro Tull's "The Whistler," Songs From the Wood, has some pretty martial drumming. So does "Crawling King Snake" off The Doors' LA Woman (if you don't mind a bit of blues). ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 18:23
| If you enjoyed Harvest of Souls by IQ with the 9/8 Apocalypse section then why not Grendel by Marillion? |
Posted By: moe_blunts
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 18:25
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There is an entire genre called Martial Industrial, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Blutharsch - Der Blutharsch being my favorite. Also, neofolk can have a lot of industrial drumming. I recommend the band http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_%28band%29 - Rome Also, the black metal band Summoning - http://www.myspace.com/upthehammers - http://www.myspace.com/upthehammers ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/moe_blunts/?chartstyle=minimalDarkRecent"> 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 18:45
I still say you can't beat Explosions In The Sky 
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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 19:47
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Parts of "Tank", especially on Works, Volume One.
A bit of "Future Times" on Yes' Tormato.
"Bolero" from Lizard.
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 20:34
There is some military drumming in Brain Salad Surgery.... but I can't remember where , guess I have to listen to it again
And of course "Abbadon's Bolero"
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 21:11
Nail on the head.
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Posted By: theproglady
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 01:58
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I've always been a sucker for that "military drumming" sound too, although I'm not exactly sure why. I really like what I call "little drummer boy" type drumming--again, not sure why. I like how someone mentioned "The White Ship" by HP Lovecraft. That's a really good one. My favorite example without a doubt is "Little Red Riding Hood Hit the Road" on Robert Wyatt's ROCK BOTTOM album. Coincidentally that song is also centered around one of my favorite guitar solos (Hugh Hopper playing over himself). |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 02:15
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I believe that there is some military drumming on Camel's Nimrodel (Mirage album) The Enid's In the Region of the Summer Stars title track and on Peter Hammill's Imperial Walls (PH7 Album) ------------- 
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Posted By: Abilene
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 11:56
It's good to know I'm not the only freak in town
 And "little drummer boy" is a proper term. I think military drumming brings me special kind of excitement, joy or fear - I am not sure  |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 11:58
TOCATTA! |
Posted By: Kim?
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 12:16
| Guapo - Five Suns II |
Posted By: Abilene
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 12:54
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Thank you all for so many tips, I have to check them. “Abaddon's Bolero” is beautiful, I haven’t listen to ELP for so long... And this song reminded me of two others which are also based on bolero with some military drumming: Arthur Brown’s “Requiem” and “Mangos Theme, Pt. 2” of Blackfeather. Though I am prejudiced to neo-prog I’ve listened to random song of Explosions in the Sky and that’s true, there are a lot of drum roll in there. Such drumming makes me feel warm and that’s so useful in winter! |
Quite nice music after all, it reminds me of Sigur Ros. Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 04:22
that track was originally intended as a single and then later was included on the "Gong Live etc." album (as part of the etc., of course) -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 05:11
Hello, Proglady, and welcome to PA! Which track exactly do you mean when you talk about ROCK BOTTOM? As far as I know, there's no guitar solo on "Little Red Riding Hood Hit the Road", the third album track (with all that delirious trumpet playing on it). On the other hand, you'd be absolutely right about the final track ("Little Red Robin Hood Hit the Road"): that really opens with a march-like snare drum (something I'd never realised), all the more amazing since it's played by RW himself, soon after he'd been paralysed from the waist on down. Incidentally, LRRobinHHR's magnificent guitar solo was played by Mike Oldfield - the style is unmistakable! |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 09:01
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P.S. I just bumped into these intriguing lines, from a review by PA's own Raffaella, of National Health's masterpiece OF QUEUES AND CURES:
It is not easy to describe the individual tracks in detail, since it wouldn't do them complete justice. Two-part "The Bryden Two-Step" is very much a showcase for Stewart's skills as a keyboardist and Pyle's military-style drumming, somewhat reminiscent of the opening track of NH's debut, the magnificent "Tenemos Roads". Come to think of it, there probably IS some military-style drumming in there! Thanks, Raffaella! |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 09:16
Some parts of Karn Evil 9, Third Impression have a military mood. There is also some military drumming in the 'Aquatarkus' section of Tarkus.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 09:22
Also Tocatta from BSS. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 09:51
Hey, that was one of my "two cents"
as they say here. Yes, I think that Aquatarkus is one of the greatest examples of military drumming in prog, especially because, how proggish, an earlier theme is coming back in another way: the military drumming in that respect stands out, draws more attention to itself. Even the title (Aquatarkus) is a variation on an earlier title (Tarkus). The "aqua" is there probably because poor Tarkus (the loser) has been pushed back in the water by the Manticore. A military clash indeed.Now that I think of it, isn't there also some military drumming in Song Of The Marching Children by Earth & Fire? I have to listen to that epic track once again to check it out. If it isn't there, it should be there
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Posted By: theproglady
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 10:38
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Hi fuxi, and thank you for the kind welcome. You're right, I wrote "Riding Hood" when I was really referring to "Robin Hood." How confusing! It also turns out that my knowledge of that guitar solo (one of my favorites) is equally twisted. Of course simply checking the album credits proves that it's Mike Oldfield. When I first got into the album years ago I just assumed complacently that it was Robert Fripp because of the sound and the layering, or even Frith because of the Henry Cow connection, but I never put much thought into it. A few years ago I talked to a record store owner in New York who is friends with both Robert Wyatt and Hugh Hopper, and when the conversation turned to that guitar solo I mistakenly thought that he was still talking about Hopper and I've associated Hopper with the solo ever since! That was a boring lead up, but the story that the record store owner told me is very interesting: Oldfield apparently recorded three takes of the solo with very slight differences. Wyatt liked all three of the takes so much that he just layered them all on top of each other, hence the cool sound. I realize now that the store owner was relaying a story that Hopper told him without mentioning Oldfield's name. I hope that makes sense. I'm not very good with names, and I'm even worse with lyrics and song titles. |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 10:45
| Of course Hopper plays that amazing bass solo on, what's it called - "Alifie" I think! |
Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 10:46
Don't forget that one section near the end of "The Knife". Also, Pink Floyd's "A Saucerful of Secrets" has a good example in the Syncopated Pandemonium section. ------------- 
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Posted By: jimidom
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 12:06
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Although not prog, Wings had a couple of songs with some great military drumming: "Let 'Em In"
"Mull of Kintyre" ------------- "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: December 04 2008 at 18:07
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Found some more: Jerusalem by ELP and Dunkirk by Camel. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: December 04 2008 at 18:18
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there is military drumming on the first album of Mother Gong's "Robot Woman" trilogy in the track "Military Procession" (what a surprise!) in "Circus" from Hoelderlin's "Clowns and Clouds" there is some military drumming too ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: December 04 2008 at 18:29
| i'll vouch for Explosions in the Sky as well. |
Posted By: deafmoon
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 10:12
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Barrie Barlow of Tull played some great rudimentary/military field drumming sprinkled among some of his stuff.
I think on the album Songs From The Wood, Barrie used a marching snare drum? The drum is quite different in overall size, texture and tone, from a standard 5" or 6 1/2 inch deep kit snare drum.
Barlow even had one set up on stage off to the side of his glockenspiel in the middle 70's with Tull.
Additionally, I do believe, when I saw Page and Plant Tour in the middle 90's, that the late Michael Lee used this size as his main snare drum. Not that he did much military playing with it.
But, BJ Wilson from Procol was a master rudimentary player and used it militaristically very nicely.
I will say though, my favorite pure snare drum playing is Ravel's Bolero. When played corretly the dynamic climb of each stroke over the piece is truely something spiritual.
in many ------------- Deafmoon |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 02:23
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"Havenless" by Enslaved ------------- 
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 04:17
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Outro to Marillion's FUGAZI.
-Joel ------------- 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 04:43
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Ooby-Scooby Doomsday!!!
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 05:21
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Bo Hansson's Attic Thoughts - March & Repose
Bo Hansson's - Lord Of The Rings - The Ring Goes South ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 05:48
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Somewhere near the end of "Quicksilver Clay" by Leviathan ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 05:49
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oh, and there is also some militayry drumming in "Marsch' n' Rock" from Guru Guru's album "Mani und seine Freunde", but a bit rocked up, after the introductory lines which translated mean: the progressive general freaked out at the battle memorial. "orchestra", he shouted, "I'm in the mood for 1, 2, 3, 4 marching rock". and the band surely does oblige ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: rosenbach
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 08:02
| Mount Teidi from Oldfield's Five miles out, with a great drumming work by Carl Palmer. |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 23:13
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I can't believe that nobody has mentioned Bruford's work on Fragile (esp. Heart of the Sunrise.) As I remember he was criticized for the tight military style at the time. ------------- 
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Posted By: Lodij van der Graaf
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 02:24
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"Bring the Boys Back Home", Pink Floyd segue between "Nadir's Big Chance" and "The Institute of Mental Health, Burning", Peter Hammill ah, forget about the others... There are many... ------------- Grace is a name, like Chastity, like Lucifer, like mine!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 23:04
| In the middle of High Hopes, the part with the acoustic guitar. |
Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 23:50
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Dunkirk and Nimrodel- Camel Return to WIT- Fromuz Theophany- Proto Kaw Those are all I remember of the top of my head. ------------- 
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Posted By: rosenbach
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 00:45
| To the unknown man by Vangelis |
Posted By: Deimos
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 16:17
| I might be wrong but Nimrodel - The White Rider by Camel has a military-like passage. Album is Mirage, of course. |