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Topic: John Cale for PA... I'm a mad person?
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Subject: John Cale for PA... I'm a mad person?
Date Posted: January 11 2009 at 09:13
I'm a mad man if I suggested John Cale for PA inclusion?

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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: January 11 2009 at 11:14
Is the "Academy in Peril" ? Wink
I'd say he's a better & more obvious fit than VU or Lou Reed ... maybe we do a  little trick and post the suggestion as a 2 for 1 - John Cage/John Cale ???


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 11 2009 at 13:06
No; not crazy at all.  I've been meaning to get HoboSapiens.

And I really like John Cale and Terry Riley's Church of Anthrax: http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=jctr-coa - http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=jctr-coa



Incidentally, Terry Riley would make for an interesting addition, methinks.





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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 11 2009 at 13:25

Originally posted by Mandrakeroot Mandrakeroot wrote:

I'm a mad man if I suggested John Cale for PA inclusion?

Not at all Clap, I totally agree. I may be a layman, but I think that some of his albums might be regarded as avant-prog due to his modern classic and minimalist influences.

In another thread or poll concerning possible additions to PA, maybe a few months ago, I voted for a few bands or artist including Velvet Underground, with the remark that John Cale is more PA-compliant than Lou Reed.
I bought a copy of The Academy in Peril a few weeks ago. This album meanders from rather classical to sort of RIO. Music for a new Society is one of my all-time favourite albums, but that is not a prog indication, just personal taste. Paris 1919 is also excellent, even if it is not a prog album. 
To cut a long story short, I won't go as far as saying Honi Soit qui Mal y Pense to anyone who is opposed to the inclusion of John Cale in PA, but the idea makes me enthousiastic.


Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 11 2009 at 14:54
I think John (Easy Money) would be very happy with the addition. However, where do you suggest he should be added?


Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 12:29
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Is the "Academy in Peril" ? Wink
I'd say he's a better & more obvious fit than VU or Lou Reed ... maybe we do a  little trick and post the suggestion as a 2 for 1 - John Cage/John Cale ???


Seconded! Thirded! Gazillioned!


Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 12:44
No. No. No. Cage no. AngryTongue

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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 13:18
I am all for the inclusion of John Cale, at least as prog-related. but since I am usually off (from 4 suggestions two were rejected and one is, after over a year, still pending), what do I know? Confused


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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 08:52
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I am all for the inclusion of John Cale, at least as prog-related. but since I am usually off (from 4 suggestions two were rejected and one is, after over a year, still pending), what do I know? Confused
 
The category/ genre that I think is better for John Cale (from what I understand) would be Avant Garde POP. Since it is not a genre of PA... Prog related is good!


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 09:06
Seriously NO kidding, the idea of an Avant-pop musical genre is fantastic. What other artists would there be? I'd say Bjork fits there, too. Possibly AIR and PJ Harvey? 


Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 09:44
Originally posted by Swan Song Swan Song wrote:

Seriously NO kidding, the idea of an Avant-pop musical genre is fantastic. What other artists would there be? I'd say Bjork fits there, too. Possibly AIR and PJ Harvey? 
 
Probably. But Cale is a great artist for PA.
 
certainly Bjork... Is an incredibly artist!!!


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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 10:15
I personally believe Cale has fewer prog credentials than comparable characters like Bowie or Captain Beefheart, even though Cale HAS dabbled in avant-garde, he HAS composed a couple of "classical" soundtracks and he HAS played with Phil Collins!

On the other hand, he's a superb artist and I love some of his albums to bits (especially PARIS 1919 and FEAR) so I won't be sad if he appears here.

Aren't Cale's collaborations with Nico (THE MARBLE INDEX and DESERT SHORE) proggier than his own solo work?

P.S. Late last June I suddenly saw John Cale cycling through my street. (Of course he was dressed in black and wore Velvet Underground-style sunglasses!)


Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 10:26
John Cale have really experimental good albums, second to Andrea the inclusion

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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: January 16 2009 at 02:21
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

No; not crazy at all.  I've been meaning to get HoboSapiens.

And I really like John Cale and Terry Riley's Church of Anthrax: http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=jctr-coa - http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=jctr-coa



Incidentally, Terry Riley would make for an interesting addition, methinks.



 
Good calls on both counts but John Cale more so and would fit P-R nicely.


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 16 2009 at 07:46
That John Cale is an Art Rock artist of some note with several forays into Prog and "experimental music" justifies his inclusion into Prog Related IMO, but I'm a big fan (and therefore excuse (ie abstain) myself from the decision process).

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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 10:04
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I think P-R is the only place for him to be considered. I'll formerly ask the Admin team to consider his inclusion.


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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 10:30
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

I personally believe Cale has fewer prog credentials than comparable characters like Bowie or Captain Beefheart, even though Cale HAS dabbled in avant-garde, he HAS composed a couple of "classical" soundtracks and he HAS played with Phil Collins!

On the other hand, he's a superb artist and I love some of his albums to bits (especially PARIS 1919 and FEAR) >>>>ClapClap so I won't be sad if he appears here. And I'll add the Church Of Anthrax release with Riley.

Aren't Cale's collaborations with Nico (THE MARBLE INDEX and DESERT SHORE) proggier than his own solo work?

P.S. Late last June I suddenly saw John Cale cycling through my street. (Of course he was dressed in black and wore Velvet Underground-style sunglasses!)
 
 
I think Jos has goit Cale coined best. Being avant-garde is one thing
 
I don't see how we could keep him away from prog related, but then again, doesn't this open the door to SmileVelvet Underground and (yuuuuuuckkkkk!!!!....Dead) Lou ReedPig????
 
 
 


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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 13:01
I think V.U. had been discussed and rejected.


Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 13:01
I think V.U. had been discussed and rejected.


Posted By: omri
Date Posted: January 29 2009 at 05:29

"And I say no no no"

Ups, this is a line from a song of Lou Reed (from the album Berlin).
 
I think prog related is so wide we can put in anybody we want. I know some of his albums and like some of his work so I am not against it (the opening line was a joke). However, I will strongly support the inclusion of Lou Reed and VU in the same sub genre. Lou Reed made some awsome songs.


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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 29 2009 at 10:55
I repeat: PR is the correct place for John Cale. Other place are not correct!!!

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