John Cale for PA... I'm a mad person?
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Topic: John Cale for PA... I'm a mad person?
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Subject: John Cale for PA... I'm a mad person?
Date Posted: January 11 2009 at 09:13
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I'm a mad man if I suggested John Cale for PA inclusion? ------------- 
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: January 11 2009 at 11:14
Is the "Academy in Peril" ?  I'd say he's a better & more obvious fit than VU or Lou Reed ... maybe we do a little trick and post the suggestion as a 2 for 1 - John Cage/John Cale ??? ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 11 2009 at 13:06
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No; not crazy at all. I've been meaning to get HoboSapiens. And I really like John Cale and Terry Riley's Church of Anthrax: http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=jctr-coa - http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=jctr-coa Incidentally, Terry Riley would make for an interesting addition, methinks. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 11 2009 at 13:25
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Not at all In another thread or poll concerning possible additions to PA, maybe a few months ago, I voted for a few bands or artist including Velvet Underground, with the remark that John Cale is more PA-compliant than Lou Reed.
I bought a copy of The Academy in Peril a few weeks ago. This album meanders from rather classical to sort of RIO. Music for a new Society is one of my all-time favourite albums, but that is not a prog indication, just personal taste. Paris 1919 is also excellent, even if it is not a prog album.
To cut a long story short, I won't go as far as saying Honi Soit qui Mal y Pense to anyone who is opposed to the inclusion of John Cale in PA, but the idea makes me enthousiastic.
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Mandrakeroot wrote:
, I totally agree. I may be a layman, but I think that some of his albums might be regarded as avant-prog due to his modern classic and minimalist influences.Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 11 2009 at 14:54
| I think John (Easy Money) would be very happy with the addition. However, where do you suggest he should be added? |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 12:29
Seconded! Thirded! Gazillioned! |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 12:44
No. No. No. Cage no.  
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 13:18
I am all for the inclusion of John Cale, at least as prog-related. but since I am usually off (from 4 suggestions two were rejected and one is, after over a year, still pending), what do I know?  -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 08:52
The category/ genre that I think is better for John Cale (from what I understand) would be Avant Garde POP. Since it is not a genre of PA... Prog related is good! -------------
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 09:06
| Seriously NO kidding, the idea of an Avant-pop musical genre is fantastic. What other artists would there be? I'd say Bjork fits there, too. Possibly AIR and PJ Harvey? |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 09:44
Probably. But Cale is a great artist for PA.
certainly Bjork... Is an incredibly artist!!! -------------
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 10:15
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I personally believe Cale has fewer prog credentials than comparable characters like Bowie or Captain Beefheart, even though Cale HAS dabbled in avant-garde, he HAS composed a couple of "classical" soundtracks and he HAS played with Phil Collins!
On the other hand, he's a superb artist and I love some of his albums to bits (especially PARIS 1919 and FEAR) so I won't be sad if he appears here. Aren't Cale's collaborations with Nico (THE MARBLE INDEX and DESERT SHORE) proggier than his own solo work? P.S. Late last June I suddenly saw John Cale cycling through my street. (Of course he was dressed in black and wore Velvet Underground-style sunglasses!) |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 10:26
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John Cale have really experimental good albums, second to Andrea the inclusion -------------  |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: January 16 2009 at 02:21
Good calls on both counts but John Cale more so and would fit P-R nicely. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 16 2009 at 07:46
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That John Cale is an Art Rock artist of some note with several forays into Prog and "experimental music" justifies his inclusion into Prog Related IMO, but I'm a big fan (and therefore excuse (ie abstain) myself from the decision process). ------------- What? |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 10:04
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I think P-R is the only place for him to be considered. I'll formerly ask the Admin team to consider his inclusion. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 10:30
I think Jos has goit Cale coined best. Being avant-garde is one thing
I don't see how we could keep him away from prog related, but then again, doesn't this open the door to
 Velvet Underground and (yuuuuuuckkkkk!!!!.... ) Lou Reed ????------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 13:01
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I think V.U. had been discussed and rejected. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 13:01
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I think V.U. had been discussed and rejected. |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: January 29 2009 at 05:29
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"And I say no no no" Ups, this is a line from a song of Lou Reed (from the album Berlin).
I think prog related is so wide we can put in anybody we want. I know some of his albums and like some of his work so I am not against it (the opening line was a joke). However, I will strongly support the inclusion of Lou Reed and VU in the same sub genre. Lou Reed made some awsome songs. ------------- omri |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 29 2009 at 10:55
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I repeat: PR is the correct place for John Cale. Other place are not correct!!! -------------
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