Prog Bassists laying down the groove
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Topic: Prog Bassists laying down the groove
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Subject: Prog Bassists laying down the groove
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 07:47
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Name one who regularly can lay that bottom down that just gets you groovin'. Prog bassists aren't normally noted for this either but in listening to Colin Edwin, especially in some of the non-metalesque Porcupine Tree, I realized his patterns can actually get funky. Of course Geddy Lee is known for this as well, but Neil Peart doesn't always come through with the drum pattern to match it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 08:06
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Since The Flecktones are here, I think it's safe to say that the grooviest bassist is Mr. Vic Wooten.
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Posted By: jimidom
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 08:20
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Tony Levin can groove with the best of them. Jeff Berlin isn't too bad either, and don't forget Jaco. ------------- "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 11:31
| The guy from Gentle Giant? |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 12:23
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Paul Jackson (Herbie Hancock and The Headhunters)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHpdJANyvTY&fmt=18 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHpdJANyvTY&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqtki6I-VTY&fmt=18 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqtki6I-VTY&fmt=18
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 12:29
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Zia Geelani of Ozrics is a groove meister, Percy Jones, Mick Karn, John G.Perry, Mike Howlett , Hugh Hopper , Hansford Rowe, Paganotti/Top, Levin and the incredible Jonas Reingold. Many more to come.... ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 14:35
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These are the prog/fusion bassists I wish I could play like: Ray Schulman (The guy from Gentle Giant, as Swan Song said), Hugh Hopper, Jannick Top/Paganotti/other Magma bassists, Geddy Lee, Stanley Clarke (Return to Forever is on here, right?), Marc Rosenberg (of Eskaton fame), Jaco, some of Wetton's lines from KC, other Zeuhl bassists I've not mentioned, Les Claypool, Levin, John Entwistle, etc. And the more I listen to Wooten and try to play his stuff, the less I agree his stuff is groovy. The majority of the time I put him in the same category as I place the shred guitarists...talented, but just doesn't keep my interest very much anymore. His music generally doesn't seem to display very much emotion in my opinion. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 17:23
The grooves on One of a Kind are classy stuff  |
jimidom wrote:Posted By: mr.cub
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 17:25
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Does Stanley Clarke count???
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 22:07
| ^indeed! |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: May 02 2009 at 01:20
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Gustaf Hielm. ------------- 
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Posted By: Nov
Date Posted: May 02 2009 at 09:43
| Jonas Reingold for me. |
Posted By: nahnite
Date Posted: May 02 2009 at 11:49
| I have to go with Geddy Lee. And Chris Squire isn't too bad as far as grooves are concerned either. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: May 02 2009 at 15:06
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Posted By: Gorgo Ourgon
Date Posted: May 02 2009 at 15:11
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Dave Holland ...he played with Miles during his electric period. Check him out with his quintet in 2002:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6R0GjY3agU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6R0GjY3agU ------------- 
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Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: May 02 2009 at 19:15
| ^^ You sir, beat me to the punch. Holland is indeed the man! |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: May 02 2009 at 22:53
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Give me Jonas Reingold any day. His work at the end of 'Unfold the Future' specifically 'Devil's Playground' is majestic. This is the way that a Fretless should sound. Tony Levin does a lot of great work as well. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 12:10
| Hugh Hopper is great. As is Richard Sinclair, he's much groovier with Hatfield and the North than Caravan (though I like Caravan just as much, it's not as bassy.) And even though I'll get yelled at for not being prog I'm going to say Jack Cassady has it, this is one of my favorite bass solos-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrTS7b028A8. Pretty damn progressive bassing for a song they've been playing since the sixties |
Posted By: OzzProg
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 12:23
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Les Claypool anyone?
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 14:13
| Never been a Claypool fan. I place him with Victor Wooten and shred guitarists, he can technically play like crazy, but i can't sit there and listen to how technically proficient somebody is for very long without it sounding good. |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 14:46
Stanley Clarke is nothing short of incredible on Return to Forever's first.
Great choice  |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 18:11
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i think Trevor Bolder who played for Bowie on Hunky Dory is quite good (he also played on Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars, Aladdin Zane and others. Gary Thain of Uriah Heep is also a very good bass player, and Chris Squire have som cool and tight bass groows (anybody heard Roundabout  ), and Geddy Lee is graet.but my all time favorite bassplayer prog and not-prog is the imensly underrated Dee Murray (Elton John) his playing is beond this world som times  especialy on tracks like Daniel, Gray Seal, the Ballad of Danny Baily, Nikita and many others (his not a Prog bassist) but his skills are equal with Squire and G Lee. sadly he past away loosing for cancer in 1992 an become only 45 yers old  . one of my tru idols as a bass player and mucissian (my littel tribute). |
Posted By: Nov
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 16:01
YES! YES! YES! That section just makes me squeal with delight Simply glorious! |
Posted By: Thored
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 19:09
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Okay, there is no doubt in my mind that Stanley Clarke is my favorite bassist laying down the grooves, but you know who doesn't get any respect around here? Jaco Pastorious. He is one of the most underrated persons on the planet.
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 19:56
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Percy Jones,Jaco & Stanley Clarke are the daddys.It's also very important to mention Trevor Dunn he's done some great double bass playing with Zorn.
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 19:59
| I like Jaco a lot, but saying he is underrated.........? |
Posted By: OzzProg
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 20:48
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The guy from Focus? (especially Focus 3) ...looks up name... ...Ah! Bert Ruiter amazing stuff, tremendously underrated bass player! ------------- |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 20:48
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^^^^^ Dee Murray enyone??? as i wrote in a post abouv is maybe the best bass (groove) player i have heard (i play bass myself) and his skills is not mentiond as often as the other members of Elton John band (Nigel Olsson and Davey Johnstone ) but was very important for the sound. (he playd for Procul Harum and Alice Cooper as well) |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 22:42
I find once you enter the bass players spectrum you find every conversation is centred around Jaco,Flea,Claypool,Wooten,Miller and Clarke. Perhaps Jaco is underrated here? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 23:31
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I always consider Flea to be more of a knockoff of the great funk bassists like Bootsy Collins, Larry Graham, etc, with some punk influences...and as I said before I think Wooten's more overrated than anything. That leaves Jaco, Claypool, Miller and Clarke from that list, and of those four, Jaco and Clarke are head and shoulders above the others, in my opinion. Jaco owns on fretless and Clarke on fretted/upright. Also, another player who could be inserted into the list of great bassists is Bireli Lagrene. He's more well known for his guitar abilities, but I've seen some footage of him on bass, and he really knows how to play. I guess with him we're leaning more towards straight jazz, though. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 23:41
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Yeah I agree.I do like Flea just purely for his passion and energy.He's studying music now at a uni so who knows what he could be capable of since every he did was just by ear before. I have a great respect for Wooten and I'm fan of much of his music but sometimes his constant tricks and shredding can have a novelty value for me. Oh yeah I forgot to mention Boosty Collins but that's only if Praxis have been accepted onto the PA ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 02:14
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Michael Henderson, Paul Jackson, Percy Jones, Jaco, Stanley Clarke, Scott Thunes, and many others...
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 02:47
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maybe not Prog but the moust important Bass player is most certenly nr 1 James Jamerson (Motown, often sited as modern bassplayngs father, and Bootsy, Wooten, Clarke, Jaco, Miller, Graham, Claypool, Flea, Mark King (Level 42) or any other bassplayers will praise him as there influence. I read a magasin som days ago about Jamerson where it was a qoute from him in the time before he died that he was a bitt disapointed about the lack of recognission. and Jamerson could lay down a groove (an could play any genre) |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 02:50
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 02:54
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from wikipedia <Prominent bassists who have claimed Jamerson as a primary influence include James Brown's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Odum - Bernard Odum , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Jackson - Anthony Jackson , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Bruce - Jack Bruce , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Entwistle - John Entwistle , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Edwards - Bernard Edwards , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaco_Pastorius - Jaco Pastorius , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Patitucci - John Patitucci , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Jones_%28musician%29 - John Paul Jones , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_DeLeo - Robert DeLeo , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Watt - Mike Watt , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Sheehan - Billy Sheehan , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Wooten - Victor Wooten , and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_McCartney - Paul McCartney .> |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 04:40
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Squire, because of badass grooves like...
"Roundabout" "Tempus Fugit" That one part in "Gates Of Delirium" which is really badass "Hold Out Your Hand" (awesome stuff, I highly reccomend youtubing it) (Anything from "Fish out Of Water" by Squire. I also love some of Peter Trewavas of Marillion's work. Mainly on "Forgotten Sons" "Garden Party" "Three Boats Down From The Candy" "Incubus" Thats all I got off of the top of my head  ------------- 
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 07:52
Nice post! That was actually the intent of my original post, to show traditional Prog bassists who have laid down funky patterns. Of course some of the bassists for bands on this site are funky because that's what they do (Wooten, Jaco, etc...). I'd like for forum users to point out those bassists who have shown the ability to get the R&B out. Maybe throw in a little slap here and there. Some harmonic fills. You know what I mean.  I love the funk more than on occasion, and every so often you'll be listening to Prog and you get a quick fix. -------------
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Posted By: jimidom
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 09:05
Or how about...
 Donald Duck Dunn
He was to Stax and Memphis soul what Jamerson was to Motown. ------------- "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 12:00
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Pete Wentz. |
Posted By: mr.cub
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 14:13
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Mike Gordon from Phish can lay down some pretty funky stuff...you don't have to like Phish to admire his playing -------------
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 15:21
| Phil Lesh is pretty damn good too. And not only in skill, but he's just one of the most original sounding bassists I've ever heard. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 17:54
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since Steely Dans - Aja is sited in the archives, the i dont feel guilty to mention that Chuck Rainey (plays Aja, Josie and i believe Home at last) he is qiet good at playng groove, yet complicated groovs. but in Prog i only think Chris Sqiure show moust Motown, funk, r&b style of playing. Tony Levin is also capable (but what can this man not do with a bass guitar  ). John Pattitucci is a Jazz/fusion Bass player in Chic Corea Electric Band and have a solid jazz, funk Motown style of playing. |