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Topic: Thread Idea: Album Discussions
Posted By: KingCrimson250
Subject: Thread Idea: Album Discussions
Date Posted: June 11 2009 at 18:03
Ever wonder why people hate an album that you love, or love an album that you hate? Ever wanted to see if you could convince them otherwise?
I thought it would be cool if maybe every couple of weeks or so we were to pick an album that we all wanted to discuss and start a thread on it. I think sometimes it can be cool to dialogue with people who might have differing opinions on albums. You might end up agreeing to disagree, or one of you might end up changing your minds, but at the very least you'll get to understand one another better.
Criteria for Album Selection: I think this thread would be good for people to suggest albums, and then whichever suggestions get the most interest would be a good choice for the next topic.
When suggesting albums, please make sure that they are at least somewhat well-known. I know that this is pretty subjective, but an album that three other people have heard won't make for very good discussion. The more popular the album is, the more (and arguably better) discussion you can have.
Be careful when choosing "sacred" albums (i.e. anything in the PA Top 10 or so). Nothing wrong with discussing those, but just be aware that there might be tons of fanboys to mindlessly defend it, or sacred cow slaughterers to mindlessly bash it, so intelligent discussion might be difficult. But then again, maybe that won't happen.
As far as the actual discussion goes, if you've done a review for the album then feel free to post the review in the thread. PLEASE do NOT reference any reviews on the site if their authour has not posted them in the thread, unless it's in a very general way (i.e. saying "I disagree with a lot of reviewers who feel that this album is too short" is fine, saying "Review X by user Y is totally bogus" is not). There's nothing cool about trashing someone's opinion when they aren't there to defend it.
Apart from that, the idea of the thread is to see if we can get some good discussions going about some music, so try to make sure your comments are intelligent and helpful. "OMG tis album is suxz!" is not a post destined to go down in PA history as a valuable contribution.
So what do you think? Anyone interested? We've got tons of reviews on the site, but a review page is a collection of monologues (and rightfully so). This is the opportunity to dialogue.
I thought that maybe a good album to kick things off would be King Crimson's Starless and Bible Black, but whatever people would be most interested in talking about.
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: June 11 2009 at 20:04
I was just thinking about something similar a while ago. I thought that it would be cool to listen to an album as a community and then discuss it, but this is pretty much the same thing, I like the idea.
As for the album I was thinking of something that has varied reviews, like Tales From Topographic Oceans.
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: June 11 2009 at 20:56
I like the idea. Albums that are well known, or by well known artists that have a lot of mixed reviews would be good subjects. This would mean most albums would be in the overall 2 - 4 star range, and would eliminate the most loved and most derided. The two suggestions so far, Starless and Bible Black, and Tales From Topographic Oceans fit the criteria well, I think. I would like to suggest Genesis by Genesis as well, or 80s Tull such as Broadsword and the Beast or Crest of a Knave. We may just get overwhelmed by suggestions on this!
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 01:14
Yeah, I think it would be good for discussing albums that are in the back catalogue and aren't discussed anymore because they aren't considered the "masterpiece" of the band or otherwise aren't rated that highly.
Ones that I would enjoy participating in:
In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3 - Coheed and Cambria
Trespass - Genesis
F#A# ∞ - GYBE!
Powerslave - Iron Maiden
The Power To Believe - King Crimson
Frances the Mute - The Mars Volta
Nothing - Meshuggah
S&M - Metallica
Morningrise - Opeth
Also, not prog but I'd like to discuss these eventually. Maybe people wouldn't want to cause my NIN appreciation thread died a horrible death though.
The Downward Spiral or The Fragile by Nine Inch Nails
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 01:28
I think thats a great Idea, and I would love to take part in some discussions, particularly:
YES - Tormato
YES - Tales From Topographic Oceans
Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos
and some others
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Posted By: theBox
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 02:58
Excellent idea!!! There should be maybe a POLL about the albums due for discussion and we should start with the album that gets the most votes and the proceed with the second etc etc.
Admins, mods and otherwise importand members of PA, what say you? I think you should be the ones to organize this.
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Posted By: theBox
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 03:09
well, yes but the discussions there get buried under tons of other stuff. We should do this like a "featured album discussion of the week" or whatever. Put it on display so to speak...
ooops, this post was a direct reply to the one above which it seems was deleted...
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 03:40
Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 04:12
Love the idea! I actually live and breathe for discussions like these, so I'd definitely participate. I too think this thing should be made official and put on display to get more people.
tales from topographic oceans for girls who grow plump in the night brain salad surgery (dangerous territory maybe?) 10.000 days heavy weather (Weather Report)
Plus I challenge anyone to talk me into Zeuhl.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 08:22
It's a good idea.
Definitelt TFTO, maybe an album such as Brave by Marillion. Why don't we do a poll to see which are the top choices?
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Posted By: Alberto Muńoz
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 08:31
I think that this topic should move to prog apreciation bands
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 09:45
Hi,
I would like to see a thread for reviews only ... not comments ... REVIEWS.
The really hard part, is, for example, a couple of things I have posted recently ... which are critical and scholarly essays that do not use "big words" ... to review the works and time. As a quotidian/sociological event, a lot of this music is much more important that its nickname "prog" ... which has nothing to do with the music itself, and is rejected by many of the same artists.
And that forum needs to be MODERATED.
The really hard part is that there are a lot of people that just post for the sake of being disruptive and not necessarily add to the quality or informative nature of the music or artist ... and that, in the end, only brings the music down ...
The important ones I have posted recently ... on the cold war ... on robert fripp ... on genesis' SEBTP ... and sadly a lot of peopleare going to miss that because it is not in a place where the informational side of it is more important than folks saying ... "it's not prog" ...
For our purposes and reasons, that is actually really poor ... but then, how can we expect someone having a vision to do something bigger than themselves? .... only artists can do this ... and that includes the folks that run this board!
You are asking for a bit much ... but if it were me I probably would take out 2 or 3 forums for it.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 09:52
I'd be happy to discuss Starless and Bible Black, which I think very good, though I'd rather discuss Larks' Tongues in Aspic.
Other possibility: Soft Machine's Third.
Anderson III wrote:
Plus I challenge anyone to talk me into Zeuhl.
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I would think that the Zeuhl and Zeuhl-related universe would have many delights for you. I'm not sure how many bands/albums you know.
Do you know Weidorje? And, though perhaps rather embryonic Zeuhl in some ways, have you heard Magma's Kobaia? I adore that album. What about 1001 Degrees Centrigade? Retrospective 1 and 2? I used to be a Zeuhl completist, and huge on Zeuhl generally, but for a long time, the Zeuhl I listen to by far the most is THE Zeuhl band, Magma. Even if Magma doesn't appeal, others might. I might have thought you'd appreciate the first two Magma albums.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 09:57
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I would like to see a thread for reviews only ... not comments ... REVIEWS |
If i understand you.... But I don't find much interest in only posting reviews in a thread in the discussion forums if we don't comment on them. There are other threads for posting reviews and we have reviews at the site. This is is the discussion part of the site.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 10:24
Logan wrote:
If i understand you.... But I don't find much interest in only posting reviews in a thread in the discussion forums if we don't comment on them. There are other threads for posting reviews and we have reviews at the site. This is is the discussion part of the site.
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Sorry .,.. not sure what you are referring to ... but these two are hardly "reviews" within the context that is being discussed here.
It's hard to be fair about reviews when looking in the front page and some of those words are not even "reviews" ... they are more a form of advertising than they are a review ... and you are saying this to someone who is an accredited reviewer, btw ...
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 10:26
Great idea for a thread
topofsm wrote:
S&M - Metallica |
Good idea for a start point - one of Metallica's most polarising albums as far as opinions go.
Personally, I love it +++hides+++
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 10:44
Excellent idea!
Now if instead of discussing the idea we start actually applying it... 
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 10:46
Ah Teo - I love your naivete

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Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 10:47
Well, looks like for the time being Tales From Topographic Oceans has it, might leave this open for a couple more days to see what happens.
moshkito: Not for the first time, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. I don't see why we would have a thread for reviews without discussion when we have an entire website devoted to reviews without discussion. That's what the PA is, reviews. Sure, a lot of them aren't necessarily of professional calibre, and some of them might just be fanboys gushing, or some elitist muttering about how it "isn't prog enough," but no one's forcing you to read those reviews.
So if you want a thread for reviews only, without discussion, go ahead. You'll have to explain to the forum at large, though, why this isn't redundant, because I'm a little confused on that point. If you feel that you personally have a lot to contribute then you should consider blogging in the Prog Blogs subforum.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 10:50
Is there any reason not to start a TFTO discussion now (though I don't know that album enough to participate ) I agree with Teo, everyone like the idea, let's just do it!!! No reason we can't do more than one. I would suggest placing the discussions in the Recommendations / featured albums heading.
P.S. I would love to discuss any of the albums below, and I think all of them except maybe the Brand X album (which is great but not as much to debate) could make for good banter.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 10:54
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 11:10
However the good intentions of thread starter it might be, I'm afraid it's next to pointless...(I hope I'm wrong) I'm not too keen on Close To The Edge, Hybris or Dark Side Of The Moon. While I agree both Hybris and CTTE are good albums, I never understood why they're so often considered masterpieces. I can say the same about the majority of Steve Hackett's output. And DSOTM is not pleasing me at all. I come to point to explain "Pointless" here. I really don't think I'll convince any fanboy that abovementioned albums are actually not that perfect, and of course everybody else will think I'm limited in my perception of the masterpiece, and that I just don't get it for whatever reason. We're all here, no matter our particular taste, moved by music deeply and we're somewhat identifying ourselves with it. It doesn't matter if you prefer late 60's psychedelic folk or technical death metal -- the common denominator is you don't want to listen to the crap that is everyday on the mainstream radio and MTV - and to you your music hold a special, innovative, moving value. Furthermore, as we're taking our music and beloved artist and album(s) very personally, every oposite statement - even if it's not meant to be derogatory, perhaps just a bit cynical - will fall to your heart almost as an insult - even for us who are somewhat wise and calmed down. Perhaps it would be more rewarding too discuss why albums that you consider masterpieces are also masterpieces for somebody else - and for different reasons.
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Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 11:42
Negoba wrote:
Is there any reason not to start a TFTO discussion now (though I don't know that album enough to participate ) I agree with Teo, everyone like the idea, let's just do it!!! No reason we can't do more than one. I would suggest placing the discussions in the Recommendations / featured albums heading.
P.S. I would love to discuss any of the albums below, and I think all of them except maybe the Brand X album (which is great but not as much to debate) could make for good banter. |
You know what? You're absolutely right. The longer we wait, the higher the chances of it not happening.
Clarke you raise a point, but it is my hope - and perhaps I am naive in this - that people will discuss the albums intelligently. You said you think those albums are good, but you don't see why they're masterpieces. Now's your opportunity to find out. You might not convince fanboys, but ideally not everyone who posts in the thread will be a fanboy. In my OP, I even recommended steering away from albums like the ones you specifically mentioned for just that reason - it can be hard to get a good discussion going.
Sure, the disagreements might sometiems just come down to a matter of taste, and people end up just agreeing to disagree, but even then at least your views might be challenged. And sure people might be occasionally offended, but that's life. Every album has it's flaws, and if you can't handle someone pointing out those flaws, then you haven't really got any business critiquing other music, even if it's "mainstream crap."
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 11:53
moshkito: King Crimson highlighted my concerns with your proposal far better. We do have various topics (threads) that concern posting reviews, and ones where reviews are posted, but they generally involve commentary (to be expected in the discussion part of the site). I see you've edited your post, and so I understand better what you were getting at now. It changes things.
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Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:41
TFTO - My opinion is that it is does not hit any of my emotional buttons. The first track is OK but then it just gets too weird for me and despite the number of times that I have listened to it (open-minded) I still can't get into it. Perhaps this thread will educate me.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:43
limeyrob wrote:
TFTO - My opinion is that it is does not hit any of my emotional buttons. The first track is OK but then it just gets too weird for me and despite the number of times that I have listened to it (open-minded) I still can't get into it. Perhaps this thread will educate me. |
Wrong thread!
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=58713&PID=3274562#3274562 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=58713&PID=3274562#3274562
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Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:50
Negoba wrote:
Is there any reason not to start a TFTO discussion now (though I don't know that album enough to participate ) I agree with Teo, everyone like the idea, let's just do it!!! No reason we can't do more than one. I would suggest placing the discussions in the Recommendations / featured albums heading.
P.S. I would love to discuss any of the albums below, and I think all of them except maybe the Brand X album (which is great but not as much to debate) could make for good banter. |
Is there any reason not to start a TFTO discussion right now? See above.^
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:57
limeyrob wrote:
Negoba wrote:
Is there any reason not to start a TFTO discussion now (though I don't know that album enough to participate ) I agree with Teo, everyone like the idea, let's just do it!!! No reason we can't do more than one. I would suggest placing the discussions in the Recommendations / featured albums heading.
P.S. I would love to discuss any of the albums below, and I think all of them except maybe the Brand X album (which is great but not as much to debate) could make for good banter. |
Is there any reason not to start a TFTO discussion right now? See above.^ |
I don't know why you are reacting like this. I'm just pointing you in the right direction.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 13:08
Kudos to KingCrimson250 for the suggestion. I think that this will be an excellent idea. I also liked A Person's idea about the community listening, which although similar is different. Kind of a book club for prog fans. This week we will listen to XXXXXX and gather together on Friday to discuss our likes and dislikes and favorite and least favorite songs/parts of the album. That could be quite fun in a prog geek kind of way.
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Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 13:18
rushfan4 wrote:
Kudos to KingCrimson250 for the suggestion. I think that this will be an excellent idea. |
Thanks!
I also liked A Person's idea about the community listening, which although similar is different. Kind of a book club for prog fans. This week we will listen to XXXXXX and gather together on Friday to discuss our likes and dislikes and favorite and least favorite songs/parts of the album. That could be quite fun in a prog geek kind of way. |
Hahaha, I rather enjoyed that idea as well. Though you would probably have to let people know a couple of weeks or so in advance as to what the album will be so that people will have time to order it if it isn't readily available, but I suppose as long as it's organized and there's a schedule worked out that shouldn't be an issue. Good way to open people up to other sub-genres as well
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:02
Now that this has been started and there's a TFTO thread started, shouldn't we start deciding which albums to discuss in the future weeks? Maybe this thread should be the thread to decide it and if we're going to have a schedule or something this should be where it will be held.
Haha, this is like a book club, except with albums.
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 00:20
BUMP
Basically what I said in the post before. I like this idea and think it should continue. It hardly matters to me about what we discuss next week because I'll be gone, but I'd like to see this continue. Or it can be a fad. Whatever.
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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 03:26
rushfan4 wrote:
Kudos to KingCrimson250 for the suggestion. I think that this will be an excellent idea. I also liked A Person's idea about the community listening, which although similar is different. Kind of a book club for prog fans. This week we will listen to XXXXXX and gather together on Friday to discuss our likes and dislikes and favorite and least favorite songs/parts of the album. That could be quite fun in a prog geek kind of way. |
Agreed: a great idea from KingCrimson250 - so can we get it on? TFTO's fine by me. If we choose an album someone doesn't have/hasn't heard it's easy - drop out that week or buy/beg/steal/borrow the album. Whoever said that if we don't start soon we won't start at all is probably right, so, under starter's orders?
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Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 05:16
Snow Dog wrote:
limeyrob wrote:
Negoba wrote:
Is there any reason not to start a TFTO discussion now (though I don't know that album enough to participate ) I agree with Teo, everyone like the idea, let's just do it!!! No reason we can't do more than one. I would suggest placing the discussions in the Recommendations / featured albums heading.
P.S. I would love to discuss any of the albums below, and I think all of them except maybe the Brand X album (which is great but not as much to debate) could make for good banter. |
Is there any reason not to start a TFTO discussion right now? See above.^ |
I don't know why you are reacting like this. I'm just pointing you in the right direction. |
Funny, I thought this thread was about "Ever wonder why people hate an album that you love, or love an album that you hate? Ever wanted to see if you could convince them otherwise?" - not that I want redirecting to another thread -one tries to get things moving along??
There's been a lot of discussion about the merit of such a thread. I'm up for having a live debate as people are listening to the album? I am loathe to suggest TfTO though as I listened to it last night and it hadn't done anything to change my mind. First track OK, steadily moving to dreadful as the album progressed. Hang on, perhaps this is the best choice. Why is it so good? What should I be listening out for? Why was the recording equipment switched on when they were tuning their instruments? There'll probably have to be a number of debates for the same album over a 24 hour period to allow for the time zones.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 05:40
limeyrob wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
limeyrob wrote:
Negoba wrote:
Is there any reason not to start a TFTO discussion now (though I don't know that album enough to participate ) I agree with Teo, everyone like the idea, let's just do it!!! No reason we can't do more than one. I would suggest placing the discussions in the Recommendations / featured albums heading.
P.S. I would love to discuss any of the albums below, and I think all of them except maybe the Brand X album (which is great but not as much to debate) could make for good banter. |
Is there any reason not to start a TFTO discussion right now? See above.^ |
I don't know why you are reacting like this. I'm just pointing you in the right direction. |
Funny, I thought this thread was about "Ever wonder why people hate an album that you love, or love an album that you hate? I think you are wrong about this. It clearly isn'tEver wanted to see if you could convince them otherwise?" - not that I want redirecting to another thread -one tries to get things moving along??
I directed you to the thread that was a result of the proposals of this thread. Namely Tales From Topgraphic Oceans discussion
There's been a lot of discussion about the merit of such a thread. I'm up for having a live debate as people are listening to the album? I am loathe to suggest TfTO though as I listened to it last night and it hadn't done anything to change my mind. First track OK, steadily moving to dreadful as the album progressed. Hang on, perhaps this is the best choice. Why is it so good? What should I be listening out for? Why was the recording equipment switched on when they were tuning their instruments? There'll probably have to be a number of debates for the same album over a 24 hour period to allow for the time zones.
And yet again. Why don't you write this in the CORRECT thread? |
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 05:49
What if every new album is proposed in this thread. If it gets seconded...lets say.....five times? It goes forward for discussion?
In the case of more than one proposal, the first album to have (five?) supporters is the one we go for.
Any good?
Now If so....if you all agree. I propose that the next person to post, proposes the next album.
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Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 05:50
Why are you giving me this grief when there is a bit of support for this idea from KingCrimson250. Am I supposed to feel intimidated by your use of bold red type? I suggest you read the opening comment for this thread - which is where I got the quote from.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 05:55
limeyrob wrote:
Why are you giving me this grief when there is a bit of support for this idea from KingCrimson250. Am I supposed to feel intimidated by your use of bold red type? I suggest you read the opening comment for this thread - which is where I got the quote from. |
This is from the opening post...,,,,.
I thought it would be cool if maybe every couple of weeks or so we were to pick an album that we all wanted to discuss and start a thread on it.
I don't know why you can't understand me. I don't see that I am giving you grief?? I mean ..what? As for the bold red. Well Its just to outline my response to each of your points. Also as Ivan regularly uses blue, I thought I'd differ.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 06:08
If the discussion keeps a civil, respectful tone, I believe this would be an excellent idea. Lately far too many threads have been rehashing the same old, tired ideas, with the results of driving more and more people away from the forums. Even if I don't think you can actually convince other people that they are wrong about an album (it wouldn't be easy to convince me, at least), trying to be somewhat objective when judging something is never a bad idea.
However, I also have to say I doubt it will succeed for long, especially when there are people around that use strong words to define people who like something they don't (see the notorious Decemberists thread). It doesn't take much to derail a thread, even the best-intentioned. Anyway, I see that the TFTO thread has already been started, and it's good that people are giving it a try.
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Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 10:21
Hah yes, well, even this thread seems to be taking an unpleasant turn... 
Anyway, topofsm's right, it's about time we start talking about which album we ought to have going next. I'm actually a bit surprised (i.e. impressed) with the current one, on any other music forum I've been on a thread on TFTO would distintegrate into flame wars by page 2.
So, any ideas for the next one?
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 10:25
KingCrimson250 wrote:
Hah yes, well, even this thread seems to be taking an unpleasant turn... 
Not my intention at all..I assure you.
Anyway, topofsm's right, it's about time we start talking about which album we ought to have going next. I'm actually a bit surprised (i.e. impressed) with the current one, on any other music forum I've been on a thread on TFTO would distintegrate into flame wars by page 2.
So, any ideas for the next one?
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Snow Dog wrote:
What if every new album is proposed in this thread. If it gets seconded...lets say.....five times? It goes forward for discussion?
In the case of more than one proposal, the first album to have (five?) supporters is the one we go for.
Any good?
Now If so....if you all agree. I propose that the next person to post, proposes the next album. |
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 10:42
KingCrimson250 wrote:
Well, looks like for the time being Tales From Topographic Oceans has it, might leave this open for a couple more days to see what happens.
moshkito: Not for the first time, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. I don't see why we would have a thread for reviews without discussion when we have an entire website devoted to reviews without discussion. That's what the PA is, reviews. Sure, a lot of them aren't necessarily of professional calibre, and some of them might just be fanboys gushing, or some elitist muttering about how it "isn't prog enough," but no one's forcing you to read those reviews.
So if you want a thread for reviews only, without discussion, go ahead. You'll have to explain to the forum at large, though, why this isn't redundant, because I'm a little confused on that point. If you feel that you personally have a lot to contribute then you should consider blogging in the Prog Blogs subforum.
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I agree and don't agree ... I think a place for reviews, just reviews is good ... and the only request is that only reviews are allowed ... no posts ... and it would have to be moderated ...
The only concern I have is someone saying something like ... "this is not prog like ELP" ... and consider that a review! Which you and I know is ludicrous and not a review at all ... now ... if the person mounts an awesome paper and dissultation on the matter is another case altogether, but all too often many of the commentaries are not reviews ... they are just commentaries.
In a way, the appreciation threads for many bands do this ... but it would be really nice if each of these appreciation threads had a separate area where there are real reviews for the music ... instead of the comments and rants ... and that would help this kind of music really get more visible ... right now, as is, there is no concentrated space anywhere where there is enough showing intelligent writing and comments other than fan'dom ... and fandom will be gone tomorrow!
If ithe music is valid, and the work is valid and a lot of us can say enough things about it to show that IT IS VALID, we can make a difference in how this stuff is looked at in the future ... right now, too much of it is just compared to Layla and other radio material and is relegated to the "fan" "favorite" status ... STILL ... and this is sad ... here is some outstanding musicianship by young musicians that are hoping to do something much better than just pop music ... and they can not get a decent discussion, or review ... well, sometimes the opposite comes too ... and we have to accept it ...
... we need to do more to validate the music and the art ... a fan board for an invisible concept ("prog") is not a good indicator of our care for the music ... it's just a fan board!
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 10:50
^^^^
Still don't know what you are talking about.
Anyway I propose.......
I don't know....someome propose something please!
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Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 10:58
moshkito wrote:
I agree and don't agree ... I think a place for reviews, just reviews is good ... and the only request is that only reviews are allowed ... no posts ... and it would have to be moderated ...
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I agree that that's a good idea, I just don't see how it would be different from the main PA site
EDIT: Also, for the next one, what do people think of my original suggestion of Starless and Bible Black?
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 11:20
Snow Dog wrote:
^^^^
Still don't know what you are talking about.
Anyway I propose.......
I don't know....someome propose something please! |
Snowdog ... the rock hall of fame is not going to validate the quality and value of this music that we like ... so, if we want it to last and be worth of your attention and mine, we need to do more for it ...
Now, if you don't care, and it's just another song for you, or me ... that is another ball game ... you probably won't remember it when you're 50 ... and I will be dead by then ... see?
So the idea/choice, is to make a proper repository where we can actually archive reviews of a lot of this music and some of the debate, on my part ... is that we draw the line on what is a review since a running commentary is not a review ... and neither is a comment like yours, see?
It's all about the art ... do we care enough to make it last? Or ... does it matter?
Well, it does to me! And it does for some people here ... be it lefthanded or righthanded is less important than the result!
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 11:44
KingCrimson250 wrote:
moshkito wrote:
I agree and don't agree ... I think a place for reviews, just reviews is good ... and the only request is that only reviews are allowed ... no posts ... and it would have to be moderated ...
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I agree that that's a good idea, I just don't see how it would be different from the main PA site
EDIT: Also, for the next one, what do people think of my original suggestion of Starless and Bible Black?
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I second that proposal!
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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 12:07
^
I'll third it - good excuse to listen to it for the first time in ages 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 12:09
moshkito wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^^^^
Still don't know what you are talking about.
Anyway I propose.......
I don't know....someome propose something please! |
Snowdog ... the rock hall of fame is not going to validate the quality and value of this music that we like ... so, if we want it to last and be worth of your attention and mine, we need to do more for it ...
Now, if you don't care, and it's just another song for you, or me ... that is another ball game ... you probably won't remember it when you're 50 ... and I will be dead by then ... see?
So the idea/choice, is to make a proper repository where we can actually archive reviews of a lot of this music and some of the debate, on my part ... is that we draw the line on what is a review since a running commentary is not a review ... and neither is a comment like yours, see?
No I don't see....what comment?
It's all about the art ... do we care enough to make it last? Or ... does it matter?
Well, it does to me! And it does for some people here ... be it lefthanded or righthanded is less important than the result! |
So besides the reviews already here...you want a thread for reviews?
I fail to understand the purpose.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 12:35
The Tales From Topographic Oceans thread was a moderate success, I'd say we keep this idea (one thread per album debate).
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 06:00
el dingo wrote:
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I'll third it - good excuse to listen to it for the first time in ages  |
I reckon if we get no more proposals, or more support for Starless in another...24 hours?...we go ahead with the current suggestion......Starless and Bible Black.
Agreed?
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 06:06
Great suggestion ! A very underrated album, though not an immediately accessible one.
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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 08:17
Fine by me
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 13:50
OK. No one wants to take control?
It seems Starless and Bilble Black is the next album discussion thread.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 04:32
Ok.
Any proposals for next album to be discussed?
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 05:36
Tree pages just looking for the album who will be discussed here and I haven´t find it! This is more complicated than try to approve the goverment budgets in the parliament...
My proposal is this TRIANA - EL PATIO (1975)
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 07:28
SergiUriah wrote:
Tree pages just looking for the album who will be discussed here and I haven´t find it! This is more complicated than try to approve the goverment budgets in the parliament...
My proposal is this TRIANA - EL PATIO (1975) |
The chosen albums are discussed in a separate thread, this was just a suggestion topic.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 07:43
Ricochet wrote:
SergiUriah wrote:
Tree pages just looking for the album who will be discussed here and I haven´t find it! This is more complicated than try to approve the goverment budgets in the parliament...
My proposal is this TRIANA - EL PATIO (1975) |
The chosen albums are discussed in a separate thread, this was just a suggestion topic.
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Well, he is suggesting isn't he? 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 07:48
Snow Dog wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
SergiUriah wrote:
Tree pages just looking for the album who will be discussed here and I haven´t find it! This is more complicated than try to approve the goverment budgets in the parliament...
My proposal is this TRIANA - EL PATIO (1975) |
The chosen albums are discussed in a separate thread, this was just a suggestion topic.
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Well, he is suggesting isn't he?  |
He complained about not finding an album being discussed in this topic.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 07:51
Ricochet wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
SergiUriah wrote:
Tree pages just looking for the album who will be discussed here and I haven´t find it! This is more complicated than try to approve the goverment budgets in the parliament...
My proposal is this TRIANA - EL PATIO (1975) |
The chosen albums are discussed in a separate thread, this was just a suggestion topic.
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Well, he is suggesting isn't he?  |
He complained about not finding an album being discussed in this topic.
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Is he? 
I don't read that! 
Hey...I could be wrong. 
So far albums discussed...
1. Tales From Topographic Oceans 2. Starless And Bible Black.
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 07:59
Well, I understood, but my suggestion for the next thread keep on being TRIANA - EL PATIO (1975).
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 08:19
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 08:25
For what it's worth, I agree with Sergi's suggestion... We have the album, so we could participate to the discussion.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 08:55
Ok thats seconded.
Do we have a thirder? Or another suggestion?
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 09:02
Raff did it, now I expect somebody could give me the forms to fill them out and the proposal may reach to the authorities... 
Thanks Raff for your support. I´m glad to see that a future discussion about Triana´s album would be interesting for another person too. 
I don´t know if anybody want to begin with this, and even if more people see it interesting enough. I´ll wait a while before daring to begin writting myself.
Cheers.
Sergio.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 09:20
SergiUriah wrote:
Raff did it, now I expect somebody could give me the forms to fill them out and the proposal may reach to the authorities... 
Thanks Raff for your support. I´m glad to see that a future discussion about Triana´s album would be interesting for another person too. 
I don´t know if anybody want to begin with this, and even if more people see it interesting enough. I´ll wait a while before daring to begin writting myself.
Cheers.
Sergio. |
Well if you want to start it yourself that is your business. But the officiall one won't start until we have more voters.
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 10:41
Snow Dog wrote:
SergiUriah wrote:
Raff did it, now I expect somebody could give me the forms to fill them out and the proposal may reach to the authorities... 
Thanks Raff for your support. I´m glad to see that a future discussion about Triana´s album would be interesting for another person too. 
I don´t know if anybody want to begin with this, and even if more people see it interesting enough. I´ll wait a while before daring to begin writting myself.
Cheers.
Sergio. |
Well if you want to start it yourself that is your business. But the officiall one won't start until we have more voters. |
No problem with that SnowDog. It´s the same I meant to say with "I´ll wait a while..." and "I don´t know if even more people see that album interesting enough". 
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Posted By: Alberto Muńoz
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 22:25
i second the sergi proposal
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 01 2009 at 07:34
Ok..if no one says anymore within the next few days
TRIANA - EL PATIO (1975)
will be it!
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: July 01 2009 at 15:17
Get on with it! 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 01 2009 at 15:28
OK
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 21:58
This topic dances from one side to another will get me crazy...
I second the Alberto Muńoz proposal too. 
What´s the next necessary step now? 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 04 2009 at 07:16
II'll start the thread.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59269 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59269
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 06 2009 at 10:34
This method is not working.
New idea.
The next album discussion wil be decided by poll.
Here is the choice....
Gentle Giant - Acquiring The Taste Tangerine Dream - Rubycon H to He VDGG Fianal Cut Pink Floyd Can -Tago Mago Jethro Tull A
Here is the poll
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59309&PID=3300586#3300586 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59309&PID=3300586#3300586
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 06 2009 at 10:42
This thread here was my little contribution to this thread's idea. Please feel free to check out the band and let us know what you think. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59071&PID=3300587#3300587 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59071&PID=3300587#3300587
In regards to the 6 albums listed above, I am only somewhat familiar with three of them, but not familiar enough to be much use in a discussion about them.  However, I will add my vote to the one album that I am most familiar with. 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 06 2009 at 10:49
I don;t know why I took over responsibilty for this. Wasn't even my idea!
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