Not enough time between prog tracks
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Topic: Not enough time between prog tracks
Posted By: ShW1
Subject: Not enough time between prog tracks
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 03:39
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Hi all,
I've been thinking about this for a while and would like to know what's your opinion, my friends/collaborators. I find that nowadays pause between tracks are mostly way too short. The experience of listening to one complex prog epic, or just complex long track of ten minutes or more, than get a rest of just two seconds, and than jump cruely into the next long pompose epic, is simply annoying.
Not always its been like that, and not in all geners. For example, this morning I've been listening to a non prog album, of songs in about 3-5 minutes each. (What was it? Ultra by Depech mode if you'd like to know). I messured some pauses. I've done it on the vinyl version. I count not less than 17 seconds between two songs. The pasue between other two songs was not less than 10 seconds.
In classical music there are always long pauses between track, for even 30 seconds or more. or even in parts of one sonata for instance. No problem at all.
Just in prog I have to suffer. I try to stop the CD between tracks, rest a little bit, and than continue. But it also kind of reduce my enjoyment.
How about you?
What do you feel?
Could we prog listeners make a call from here for the bands/artist, 'please, let us rest between track to track. Let us digest what we've just heard, and than continue' ?
Or are you satisfied with this situation?
I would like to read your response.
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Posted By: tortellino
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 03:54
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I think we're getting a bit anal o this... Gap between tracks has never been an issue for me; there are great albums (prog or not) that just flows nicely from track to track, and I can't understand how one could be annoyed by that.
Two great examples: "Blood Sugar Sex Magic" by Red Hot Chili Peppers, and "A Pleasant Shade of Grey" by Fates Warning.
In the second case, the continuous flow of the songs is key to the emotional and artistic success of the opera, that is to be taken as a whole.
By the way, Depeche Mode "Ultra" is, in my book, a (great) pop album, and its nature doesn't require that the tracks have no gap between them; the same can be said for the majority of the mainstream albums out there.
Pop albums contains singles that can stand by themselves; prog albums (mostly) consist of intricate concepts that need a certain musical form to be fully developed and appreciated. ------------- tengo 'na minchia tanta |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 04:25
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tortellino wrote:Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 05:17
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I strongly dislike any gaps between tracks, so much so that I have set every album in my iTunes folder to be gapless. I want my albums to flow seamlessly
From Genesis To Revelation is a perfect example of this, often dismissed as a Beegees influenced pop album, I think it is a minor masterpiece of production and arrangement with small musical interludes or piano vignettes linking the tracks instead of the normal silence it results in a seamless and coherent album. Later issues of the album have carelessly added bonus tracks to the end that have spoiled this somewhat.
Another I would cite would be Pink Floyd's Echoes compilation album. Rather than being a random selection in chronological or "hit" order, the tracks have been carefully ordered and seamlessly blended from one to the other to produce an anthology that is greater than the simple sum of the parts and is more in keeping with Floyd studio albums. ------------- What? |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 05:23
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This suggestion may have some merit methinks...An appropriate gap between tracks for someone like say Dream Theater or Tool ? Perhaps 30 to 40 years might be considered adequate.
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 05:58
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I often want longer pauses too. Coming up in the age of vinyl, it's kind of tough these days when listening to iTunes (as one is often forced to do) and having songs crowd in on each other (crowding in in my perception whether "gapless" or not). Especially when what I know to be the last track of side one slams into what I know to be the first song of side two. Now you can say "get over it" or some such dismissive, heartless garbage, but these prog artists mapped out these albums; these pauses were usually utilized - so we miss something today. Some examples I've heard at home recently:
 . But hell, if the call goes out ("proggers unite!!") you can count me in. Won't be my first losing battle. |
Posted By: ShW1
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 06:29
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Thanks you all, well, it's interesting: Maybe again the 'generation gap', when 'olders' (me included) are willing for longer gaps, and 'youngers' who like the situation now...
The tracks that are leacking to the next, are another issue, relate to this one as well. In my opinion, it became a kind of fassion, (or mode), and I'm not sure I like all of those albums, I think this method is used way to much. Example: I would like to listen to 'Fear of the black planet' in much less leakeges. OK, OK, I know I'm in a minority here.
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Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 08:16
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If a piece of music is large or has lots of information for the listener to digest, I believe a pause after it is absolutely mandatory! When one is listening to music, there are these polypeptides and neurotransmitters running amok in the blood stream, causing an emotional response in the listener. If you're not moved by a song in anyway, you can continue to the next one, sure. But if you're under a strong wave of emotion, it might be a good idea to breathe for a second before the next. If I'm listening to Strapping Yound Lad and immediately after it put A Change Is Gonna Come on, I can't feel the emotion cause I'm still feeling aggressive after SYL! Basicly I think that when two tracks can be viewed as continuous, or the feeling doesn't change drastically between them (Brain Damage - Eclipse), the break isn't really necessary. But it'll be a cold day in hell when I skip the final seconds of ambience from The Gates of Delirium to rush into Sound Chaser! You give your muscles a rest after a nice workout. Why not treat your brain the same? ------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 08:24
it's the gap between songs that bother me. I love epic songs. I would love to be a DJ so i can mix my favorite epics to make it look like one song for 2 hours...
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Posted By: Weston
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 08:40
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I prefer a large gap between epics, just as in classical. It gives respect to the masterpieces. What really drives me nuts in this era of digital music is the musician's penchant for filling the gap between songs or movements with wind or water sounds or ambient synth. You can have pieces flow after one another melodically or with the key or timbres without connecting them with ambiance. All this accomplishes is it makes me run them together into one mp3 file and prohibits me from listening to a more random playlist. I refuse to second guess the artist and make the ambience fade out and then fade back in for the next track. Also if you buy mp3 versions and don't make your own from the CD, the ambience cuts off abruptly at the end of one track and starts abruptly at the beginning of the next. Almost as bad as an old 8 track stopping a piece in the middle, making whirring and clicking noises and then continuing on another track (for those of you old enough to remember 8 tracks). I am not talking about marathon pieces like A Passion Play or TAAB. It's the songs or pieces that are clearly not all that related but connected with ambiance that drives me nuts. In the digital age with random play lists more the norm, artists should tailor their works to be listened to either sequentially or randomly. It is easily done. |
Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 08:40
Yeah, Colors would sound terrific with 30 seconds between each track  ------------- 
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 08:41
Holy smokes, these last two posts couldn't be more opposed. Personally I side with my new friend Anderson III. And at least he explains himself/his view.  Edit: Whoops, by "last two posts" I meant Anderson III's and rdtprog's. (Ya gotta move fast sometimes in here!) |
Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 08:45
Prog on 8 track was brutal. |
Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 09:19
What the...? My opinion is seconded by a fellow member  ? And I officially have a new friend?!------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: GaryB
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 10:34
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I listen to all my music on vinyl (except in the car, obviously) so you should be able to count the bands and compare it to the titles on the jacket. But, there is not always a visable gap between tracks.
The "short gap" or "no gap at all" is not uncommon in the 70s music I play every day. If I'm just listening, then it's not a problem. But if I'm rating an album then it becomes a little confusing.
I rate each song with a 5, 4, 3, etc. and then total the score and divide by the number of songs for an overall album rating. If you're not sure how many songs there are (regardless of what the LP cover says) then this rating method will not be accurate.
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Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 10:47
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I'm a younger guy, but I definately agree with the OP. I don't think it's applicable in all situations, but I definately feel that there's a lot of instances where that pause would add a lot to the music. It's like public speaking, when you say something major, you pause afterwards so it can sink in. I think prog music often needs the same thing. When an incredible song ends, you don't want to be suddenly launched into the next song. To me that's the instant gratification mentality that is basically as anti-prog as you can get. Instead, I generally want a few seconds to pause and reflect on what just happened. If I want to do that, I generally need to push pause, though, because most artists don't really consider that when making the album. Evidently there are lots of exceptions. For example, when we're talking about one song spread out over multiple tracks. Dark Side of the Moon doesn't need a pause between songs because the pause is after the album, when you kind of just sit there like "Did that just happen?" I think that was kind of cool about LPs, how you had to flip them halfway through, leaving you room to consider that. With CDs that's gone. Of course, Genesis, ahead of their time as always, anticipated this change and included a three minute ten second pause after Firth of Fifth on SEBTP to simulate the flipping of sides even after the vinyl days were well over. |
Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 11:32
| We prog fans dont need rest! I love how the songs keep flowing on prog albums. Its like a movie sort of...... |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 12:00
One album that's totally ruined by iTunes adding 3 second gaps between tracks:
 Songs / Tracks Listing
1:st MOVEMENT ------------- What? |
Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 12:19
I believe in movies too when a new scene is about to begin there's usually a moment or two of silence before the dialogue or action starts...  ------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 13:14
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I think it would be a silly thing to have a lot of space between songs because the listener quickly loses interest in the album as a whole. At least they don't have a lot of fading out songs in prog. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 13:21
| ^ Just what fan of prog quickly loses interest in a great album? |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 13:37
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Some how I double posted |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 14:08
| I agree that if there are gaps in between songs they should at least be around 10 seconds, but there are many albums where the songs flow into each other where any gap at all is annoying, DSOTM and Days of Future Passed for example. Some songs, such as some Mars Volta ones, start to soon and it feels like I am being punched in the ear drum. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 16:56
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I never feel the need to rest with silence in between songs. Those rests are just wasting time. If I don't have the time or patience for a full album, I can always pause it at half. People who complain about TMV have wussy tastes. ;-) I've never had iTunes add 3 second gaps to my songs. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 17:34
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Posted By: flaxton
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 18:02
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the thing i love about the moody blues albums is the tracks merge into each other. it makes them unique. ------------- flaxton |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 18:03
I used to have that problem on my iPod, not iTunes, "back in the day". Made certain albums and transitions irritating to say the least.
In fact, I had the exact oposite problem on my iTunes. It melded the last five seconds of every song with the beginning of the next one. But again, that was the old one. Now its all good.
But long live gapless!  ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 18:43
| A 2-3 seconds pause is fine by me, if it doesn't go against the flow of the album. Otherwise, I don't like to wait for the music to start. |
Posted By: Cruithne3753
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 19:49
(Don't you mean Fear of a Blank Planet? Unless you've been listening to Public Enemy... )Mind you, one effective bit of one-track-leaking-into-another for me is on Stupid Dream, where the amplifier hiss at the end of Slave Called Shiver continues for ten seconds or so into Don't Hate Me. When it cuts, it sounds like you've just had your stereo upgraded. |
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 20:18
I'll admit to making the same mistake at least once before on another forum.  |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 22:07
| I'm having a difficult time thinking of anything I care less about |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 22:42
| I FOR ONE THINK THAT PROG ALBUMS SHOULD HAVE A 5 SECOND GAP AND SHOULD NOT RUN FOR LONGER THAN 45 MINUTES AND SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST ONE 10+ MINUTE LONG SONG ON IT AND SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY SONGS THAT HAVE ANY POPPY MOMENTS AND IT SHOULD NOT BE TRADITIONAL PROG BECAUSE THAT'S TOO RETRO IT NEEDS TO BE MORE AVANT GARD OR ITS NO GOOD AT ALL AND LETS NOT FORGET THAT IF IT EVER GETS PLAYED ON THE RADIO IT HAS TO BE IGNORED BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE PROGRESSIVE COMMUNITY HAVE HEARD IT AND WE CAN'T BE HAVING ANY OF THOSE SHENANIGANS |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 22:56
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Listen, Mike, I'm sorry too that you have so many Coheed and Cambria plays, but there's no need to take it out on the rest of us. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 00:06
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it still haunts me at night hold me Henry... |
Posted By: Firdous e Bareen
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 01:32
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I think that if an album is well structured there should be very little need for long gaps of silence between tracks. Each track should flow relatively seamlessly into the next. In situations where bit of a break between tracks is required, I much prefer a slow fade out of distortion or a quiet ambient interlude attached to the end of the track. Pure silence is irritating. ------------- 
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Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 03:02
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OK, so you all dislike silence in between tracks, but what about during the songs? I think silence is an extremely powerful tool for creating tension AND release. When I think of bands that use silence effectively, Kayo Dot comes to mind. It's like a painting with a bit of grey pigment next to red to make the red come out strong!
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 03:08
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f**k, I hate silences in songs and i REALLY hate Kayo Dot. Not my style, mang |
Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 03:19
What's wrong with tension and release? Edit: You crazy Rush-man! ------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 05:18
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To me, this has gotten weird. Unexpectedly a category of listener has revealed itself and it cannot abide silence. But what the hell is yr hurry? No silence between or during songs! Suggest people put "mash-ups" of their favorite tunes on say YouTube, with silence and low-volume ambient passages edited out. Suggest start with 2112, Mr By-Tor . Anywho, the OP started with a point about spaces being short lately, and he nailed something: looks like the artists who are putting no space lately have caught-on to a modern audience that wants no space! (Or helped make people feel there shouldn't be space? I dunno.) I know that someone (or more) are going to think me a doosh for this, but I think that's kinda sad , because the absence of sound can be a beautiful thing and really useful for a true artist, can be a spot where tension is released, and can even be a spot where tension builds. I see no reason to think of a little silence, whether artfully placed on purpose or just sitting there like on a regular track-based record, as "a waste of time." And albums designed to have one track run to the next are another matter I think than what the OP was asking about; those presumably are put out the way the artist and/or producer wants. That kind of thing is down to taste; you agree with the design or you don't, you like concept albums of that sort or you don't. But it seems to me that to be unable and unwilling to let some quiet take you is rooted in something other than taste. Just sounds like impatience, and an impatience that ends with blocking a person from enjoying this very real aspect of musical art. If I'm wrong somebody please explain  , thank you. |
Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 05:30
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^ Did everybody read this? ------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 05:45
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I don''t abhor silence - I revel in it, but it has to be for a reason, as someone said - to build tension, as a release, not just to arbitrarily separate tracks and not just some random period of time but a measured pace and tempo (yes, silence can have tempo) that fits the following track onto the preceding one.
If an album is designed to flow seamlessly then that is how it should be heard - exactly how the artist and producer intended it to be heard. Most Prog albums are not a random selection of tracks, unlike pop-albums, they are not hit-filler-hit-filler, they often have a pace and structure that was carefully considered by the producer of the album, track order can be important for the album as a whole. - this has been the way of Prog since the early 70s and is continuing today with bands like Neurosis, Tool, Porcupine Tree, Pain of Salvation and Dream Theater. Destroy this continuity and it's like a smashed mirror - what you see reflected there is a distortion, fragmented and broken.
If a track flows into the next then that is how it should be, if there is a 4-beat pause then that is how it should be, if it is a 1 second gap then that is aslong as it needs to be. Digital albums have allowed the listener to muck about with this timing, but it does not mean that you must. What next? The ability to remove a guitar solo or cut a whole verse? At some point technology will allow you to do that, so would you just because you can? ------------- What? |
Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 13:17
I think this discussion is pretty interesting, once you step away from the purely "I want silence between tracks" vs "Silence is boring" aspect of taste. Figuring out why you want that silence or why it can be boring sometimes is a good direction to explore, because it can give you an appreciation of that song/genre/etc. For example, someone who doesn't like a lot of silence would probably not like the random pauses and breaks in post rock or avant-garde music, because it can seem to be just random pausing. Check to see if that break helps set a tone in the song or if it does in fact have a tempo, like Dean said, because the it is not just random (which I feel some bands do add for whatever reason) but is in fact a concious part of the song. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 13:20
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i think the original poster would absolutely HATE Frank Zappa then...
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 13:26
yeah, I know, I meant for the non tech savy people to be able to do it automatically at the click of a button. ------------- What? |
Posted By: ShW1
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 13:57
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Posted By: ShW1
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 14:07
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In fact, when I started this thread I was thinking less on post-rock albums and such, where flowing into the next song is quite natural, but more of a symphonic/neo style, where the gap is two short for me. Two examples for albums I've been listening resently: 'As the world' by Echolyn is a very complex album, without ehough time between tracks, and 'seamlesly' flowing sometimes, which, in this case, in my opinion, hurt the clearness of the album. You can pass on some reviews and notice that some of us (including me) have difficulties digesting this album. In my opinion, one of the reasons for that is the short gaps\seamlesly flowing, between very complex tracks.
The oposite example from me is 'La paciancia del job', from Jose Luis in my signature. This album got much more meditative, repetitive nature. In spite of this, there are nice gaps between the tracks, which just add to the whole experience.
It's OK from all of you who claim to enjoy from noGaps/short gaps. I wont spoil anyone enjoyment. But sometimes you are loosing something, even if you are not aware to it.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 14:24
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Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 14:38
Well, there's very often a slight drone of a guitar heard in the distance, but I believe Kayo Dot frequently has about 10 seconds between two notes... 
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 14:47
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Well I do think they overdo it sometimes. ;-) ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 19:26
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I agree with the OP. need a breather between tracks. One reason for connecting tracks together into one piece like PT did would be to discourage illegal downloading a bit. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: MrEdifus
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 21:26
In the days of DSL/Cable/T-lines and audio editing software freely available, that does little to nothing to stop downloading any more. ------------- 
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 21:28
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Pirates tend to download the whole album anyway, that's pretty much the whole point of torrents. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 22:09
| I can understand the point of having a long enough space between tracks to digest what just happened, but on my part, I prefer the albums which flow from song to song until the end, that makes it seem as one whole piece of music instead of a collection of songs. |
Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 22:56
I've always thought that it sounded so much cooler when you call it piracy. It's like my boat is a ship, and I am the captain, and I can sail the mighty oceans of the Internet, looking for P2P freighters to board in search of treasure, or perhaps stop and plunder the Torrent Islands. I gave up downloading years ago, but I'm always tempted to go back, just because you know that nothing you ever do in life will be cooler than that time you were a pirate. |
Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 22 2009 at 04:59
A III, we need a shrugging smiley in here. -------------  Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: June 22 2009 at 23:57
The only time gaps between songs has been an issue with me is when iTunes or WindowsMedia adds time when there shouldn't be any. I have found that on a good number of the albums I listen to, there is at least one instance where two songs run immediately from one to the other. In most cases, it's not an issue for me, but when a gap is put into a live album  ! And there are the old classic Moody Blues albums, where all the songs run together without any gaps. That's part of what makes their albums a whole in themselves and not just a collection of songs. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 23 2009 at 05:59
The difference between them is a part of the game. We're only talking about a difference of 28 seconds. I suspect the longer you live the more insignificant that interval will become to you. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: June 23 2009 at 23:39
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Got to admit that I feel that way with VDGG's Pawn Hearts ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 00:43
Those are my thoughts exactly! I don't really mind if a track has space in between or does not.. frankly, it's up to the artist. But when an album is supposed to flow nicely from one track to another and the damn  MP3s add space or my ipod has to process something.... it really pisses me off...destroys an albumThat's one reason why i would always prefer to listen to the actual disk or even better vinyl, cause you know that is how the artist wanted the album to sound EDIT: just though of this but what pisses me off even more is when I want to listen to an entire album, and it doesn't play in the correct order but i think it is playing corectly.....nuff said |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 06:09
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This is why some albums are best listened to in their original format CD, LP, or whatever. Any players out there that do keep the continuity intact when it was supposed to be?
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 06:56
Exactly the example I was going to cite - 'Echoes' has been put together beautifully & could almost be considered an album in its own right precisely because the gaps have been removed & the tracks arranged in such a way as to flow naturally (also nice to see all of 'Shine on...' included as a single piece of music) ------------- 
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Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: June 25 2009 at 09:08
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Silence is the ultimate filler, why make a very short, often crappy song if you can add several seconds of silence to the other songs. I don't really mind a bit of silence between the songs though, except if the silence becomes too much, like on Tool's Lateralus... The eight minute long Triad two minutes are silence, it's ment for the secret track, Faaip De Oaid, which you can also select on the cd without listening to two minutes of silence.
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Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: June 25 2009 at 13:45
There's only the first seven parts of Shine On on Echoes, I'm afraid. ------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 25 2009 at 15:19
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I'm one of the prog veterans, I guess, and I don't think I ever had the feeling that there should be more time between the tracks.
Short breaks is what I'm used to, I suppose.
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Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 01:46
yeah true, does anyone know any or any way to make them do that lol I should program one... |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 14:38
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Count me as another who strongly dislikes gaps of silence of any sort. I like when tracks blend into each other. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: ShW1
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 00:57
Realy? You are the one who complain from time to time about albums that are two long for you. Try to break them into 3 - 4 peaces and see if you feel different ...
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Posted By: progvortex
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 11:22
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There are two gaps that stick out in my mind, where the gap between tracks are remarkably short and unfitting to the immense shift in musical styles. Tarkus going into Jeremy Bender 21st Century Schizoid going into I Talk to the Wind ------------- Life is like a beanstalk... isn't it? |