Well let's do another poll
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Topic: Well let's do another poll
Posted By: Epignosis
Subject: Well let's do another poll
Date Posted: September 23 2009 at 22:32
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A time traveler holds a warm gun to your head and, while you feel happy, he forces you to choose an alternate universe. Option one: Greg Lake never leaves King Crimson. He becomes the only consistent member besides Robert Fripp, and ELP never happens. Option two: Peter Banks never leaves Yes. Option three: Ian Anderson quits Jethro Tull after the first album and joins up with a plucky Jon Anderson and stone-faced Chris Squire. Option four: Kevin Moore was a nicer fellow, and therefore never left Dream Theater. Option five: Peter Gabriel never leaves Genesis after The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, but everybody else does. To fill in, Gabriel acquires Bill Bruford on drums, Rick Wakeman on keyboards, Trevor Horn on bass and vocals, and a fresh Adrian Belew on guitar and vocals. So pick one. You only have five seconds. . .. ... .... .....   ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: September 23 2009 at 22:36
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Four is the only one that interests me. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: September 23 2009 at 22:38
| One and five are interesting. I PICK FIVE DON'T SHOT ME! |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: September 23 2009 at 22:42
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Four. Although he would have left DT inevitably. |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: September 23 2009 at 22:43
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It took me over 5 seconds to choose between 4 and 5. I died.
But on a positive note, Kevin Moore is still in Dream Theater!...... ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: September 23 2009 at 22:45
Care to shed some light on this interesting view?  ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Tarquin Underspoon wrote:Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: September 23 2009 at 23:10
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Five would be an interesting experience.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 00:03
| Four is the only one that wouldn't bother me. |
Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 00:44
| I'm not a huge fan of DT, but the thought of Moore producing moore (bad pun, sorry) albums with the band has me moore (ah... yes, sorry about that one as well) interested than the other options. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 00:47
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1 is half good -- the good part being ELP never happening, but having Lake stay with KC makes it too undesirable. 2: ambivalent. 3. Though I would see this as improving Yes, it's undesirable. Ian Anderson had at least a couple of really good albums with Jethro Tull left in him: Stand Up and Benefit (actually I like a fair amount of the later music too, and prefer JT to yes overall, so this one would be bad). 4. Ambivalent. 5. This would be an improvement on Genesis, but I wouldn't want to risk being deprived of Adrian Belew's solo work had the Genesis project continued. To a lesser extent, I would want to risk being deprived of Gabriel solo as I think he made most of his best music outside of Genesis. Leaving Genesis was a good move for Gabriel artistically, I feel. So, even though not something I care that much about, I would see it as being negative. There was a time when Lone Rhino was a very important album to me. So neither two nor four bother me. Since I don't care about DT, it'll get my vote for being the least harmless/ important change. Being the one of least consequence, it is the least negative. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: raeloneq
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 00:55
| A good alternate would be if "Hendrix didn't die, he would have completed his reunion with ELP, and formed HELP." |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 01:07
Five would yield the widest variety of possibilities, and that got my almost immediate vote (4 seconds). ELP needed to happen. Banks needed to be out of Yes so Howe could join in. On the other hand, having the Anderson twins with Squire would yield some interesting possibilities, but then when I think about it, maybe Banks should have rema ---- BANG  ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 01:14
Or made an album with Miles Davis. In bizarro territory, what if Frank Zappa hadn't died and joined Transatlantic? ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 01:16
"Because we ALLLL need...some BOOOOTY...we all need some booooootyyyy....." Pass ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 01:21
Number 3 
Thick As An Edge / Close To The Brick sounds pretty good to me 
Runner-up would be KM not leaving DT, easily their best keyboardist 
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 01:45
| Option three: Ian Anderson quits Jethro Tull after the first album and joins up with a plucky Jon Anderson and stone-faced Chris Squire. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 02:29
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Option #4 seems the least disastrous to me. ------------- 
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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 02:52
Can I not stay in the real universe  ? Do I have to pick one  ?
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 02:58
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Why is the gun warm? Ewww....
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 03:01
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I've done a poll, it's very painful |
Posted By: mono
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 03:08
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Although DT would be better with Moore, it would only be a matter of keyboards, the compositions wouldn't have evolved very differently if Kevin Moore had stayed in my opinion, Portnoy and Petrucci playing the frontman role quite well. So I went with the dreamy 5th universe. Never wanted Ian Anderson to quit Jethro Tull, don't need Greg Lake when you got Fripp... (exagerated but true). ------------- https://soundcloud.com/why-music Prog trio, from ambiant to violence https://soundcloud.com/m0n0-film Film music and production projects https://soundcloud.com/fadisaliba (almost) everything else |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 04:28
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this poll will give me nightmares, i picked 2 anyway... ------------- 
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 07:28
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That was a no brainer for me. ELP never forming would have been a sad thing, though I'd have been interested to hear more Crimson with Greg Lake. Couldn't really care less about two and three and Genesis worked out just fine the way that it was. I think a more compelling option five would have been 'What if Steve Hackett remained in Genesis'. With that being said, I easily chose option 4 within the allotted five seconds. While I like some of their later albums, I think Kevin Moore was the perfect balance to Portnoy and Petrucci. His lush melodies and chords really complimented the shredding the other two. I'd have enjoyed seeing more with that line up. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 07:47
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2
Banks not getting the push....... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 08:14
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When I found out about Peter Banks, and the fact that he left Yes, I almost cried, so guess what. Yep, I'm taking 5. Haha! Joking, it's 2 for me. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 10:25
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I hesitated for 2 seconds between 1 & 5 . Voted for option 5 !
The problem in option 1 is not only the lack of ELP but I realy feel Lake's leave lead KC to grow up, abandon pomposiness (sure misspeled her but you know what I mean) and helped them (him) to become a mudh better and more mature musician(s).
So option 5 where Genesis allready created most of their better albums sounds O.K. to me. The only question I have is does it means that 80's and 90's KC will never exist ? If so I choose wrong and I'm in hell. ------------- omri |
Posted By: paulwalker71
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 11:57
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It has to be number 5 for me It wouldn't have been 'Genesis' anymore - it would have evolved into someone rather wondrous, I feel Ahem... back in the real world  |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 13:03
| Option 5 is by far the most interesting, especially for someone who, like me, has never been a big Genesis fan. However, I am curious as to why you chose Trevor Horn to play bass, and not, for instance, Tony Levin, who would have probably been the most obvious choice. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 13:09
This may reveal a measure of historical ignorance on my part, but I tried to select musicians who were more or less "not committed" to any particular act around the given time period. Wakeman had left Yes, Belew was just getting active in music, Bruford did in fact tour with Genesis, and Horn was just a backing musician for a disco performer (but formed The Buggles in 1978). ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 13:24
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I think Gabriel would have done what he did in the real world. Solsbury Hill, Intruder ( where Phill Collins actually plays the drums ) DIY, Shock The Monkey etc etc. Wakeman would quit in disgust after the first album.
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 13:55
 #4 for me.
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 14:01
I always thought 'Happiness is A Warm Gun' was not about a Gun! So I wouldn't be happy even momentarilly !!
Genesis would end up doing 'Video Killed the Radio Star' On Ice.
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Posted By: White Shadow
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 15:25
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I pick #4 because I don't like Dream Theater and wouldn't care if their history is changed. The others would have dire consequences that I don't like. #1 doesn't work for me because even though I'm not the biggest ELP fan I'm glad they existed and I don't like the idea of Lake staying in Crimson. It might jeopardize later albums I love, specifically their 80s output. #2 I'm not very fond of Yes but enjoy some of their albums and this option might corrupt them (specifically close to the edge, in which wakeman has important contributions as a performer). #3 is no good because I love Jethro Tull #5 Genesis is nothing without Tony Banks. Besides, I like Peter Gabriel's solo stuff as much as or more than Genesis in general. I again would not want to corrupt the history of Yes or especially King Crimson with that lineup. Plus, that means no "Trick of the Tail" or "Wind and Wuthering". I agree with whoever it was above that wanted to pick "What if Steve Hackett never left Genesis" ------------- [signature] |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 15:47
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I went with 4 as I think its the only one that could have had a good outcome. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 16:13
Personally, my two favorites albums from them are Awake and Images and Words (I also quite like When Dream and Day Unite, but the production is a joke). All 3 of those albums are drastically different and I think the quality of the compositions is just fantastic.
I even prefer Falling Into Infinity, featuring Derek Sherinian, over many of their more recent albums.
I think Rudess was a great fit for the first 2 albums they did together, but for some reason after that it's almost as if they ran out of juice and decided to just play lots and lots of notes. YES, i know this viewpoint has been exhausted by critics and fans of the band, and at this point nobody wants to hear about it, but in my opinion, it's true.
Not to say that I'm not a fan of Dream Theater. I'm a huge fan, and that's probably why I'm most eager to see what might have been if my favorite lineup had remained intact.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 17:10
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Option 5 would be pretty cool...
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 17:14
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five i guess
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 19:16
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4 seems ok, I guess, but they may not have made 2 of my favorite DT albums in that case (Metropolis 2 and 6 Degrees). 5 is interesting, but the result may have meant some great bands and albums may never have happened. Luckily the trigger was slippery, and some crazy bird lady came by and threw bird seed on the muggers, which attracted all the pigeons in Central Park. It gave me enough time to choose option 4 and save Christmas. |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 21:46
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Option one - No way ! Both bands worked out just fine thanks. While Gregy's vocals were great in the early KC, I think I found them more interesting without it. Option two - As above I don't think Yes suffered from this departure over the long run Option three - I don't think Jon's voice would compliment Ian's flute playing at all. Jon just doesn't have the folksy voice that's need for the other Anderson's style. Option four - Really ? Dream Theatre ? They are so 90's ! BTW, What did this Kevin guy do anyway? Option five - Now you're talking !! But I really think that (at least in my alternate universe) Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett fire all the other slackers in Genesis and hire the list you proposed. Ok, maybe they let Phil play drums on one track but he doesn't get to go whith in 5 feet of a vocal mike !! ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: September 27 2009 at 12:16
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Option five sounds like it would produce the most interesting results. Even though I don't like the idea of Tony Banks leaving Genesis, Rick Wakeman joining the band would be very cool.
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: September 27 2009 at 15:56
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Choice 2. I've always wondered what would have happened if Banks had stuck around. ------------- 
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: September 28 2009 at 09:29
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I've gone for choice one - I enjoyed most of the post Gabriel output for Genesis.
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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: September 29 2009 at 19:22
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#3, to see which Anderson would've won out.
Another one--in Yes, what if Moraz had stuck around, and Wakeman never rejoined?
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: September 29 2009 at 22:42
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[QUOTE=Bitterblogger]#3, to see which Anderson would've won out.
Another one--in Yes, what if Moraz had stuck around, and Wakeman never rejoined? [/QUOTEI would've liked to hear what more could have been done with Moraz, but I guess the fact it was his only album with Yes is what makes it special. I love the fusion vibe on Sound Chaser. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 30 2009 at 12:08
| Option 5 but it would have to be with Tony Levin though. |
Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: October 20 2009 at 09:59
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1 - ELP and the progression of King Crimson needed to happen. This is easily the least desirable. 2 - Also pretty bad. A world without Close to the Edge, Relayer, Tales, Going for the One, and to a lesser extent Fragile would not be something I'm interested in. There's also the fact that classic Yes influenced plenty of other great bands I would not like to be without. 3 - This is worse than the previous choice. The music would be interesting but the loss of Jethro Tull and the good Yes albums would be too much to risk. 4 - This would probably be pretty neat. 5 - Crazy good music would probably come out of this. Extremely exciting and I'd be somewhat reluctant to give up the next few Genesis albums but the potential for greatness is up there. In the 5 seconds I picked 5. Unfortunately I forgot this would negatively impact the King Crimson timeline. If I had more time I would have picked 4 put the gun was too persuasive. ------------- Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal. |