Prog As Substitute For Life
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Topic: Prog As Substitute For Life
Posted By: Textbook
Subject: Prog As Substitute For Life
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 15:52
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(I'm playing devil's advocate here in case that isn't clear. Also, I'm not writing about myself, just presenting for discussion the argument behind the negative attitude towards prog nuts.)
Like drugs (I keep finding parallels here) it seems to me that those who despise or look down on obsessive prog fans do so because of a suspicion that we are armchair adventurers- either we had expectations of experience that our actual lives do not meet or we are aware that their are certain extremes of experience that we'd never reach. Rather than attempting to meet these with our lives, we use music to transport us to those places. The argument is that we could/should be out doing something which will actually affect the world but are actually sad little people sitting in rooms with silly records avoiding people and achievement. We might get married and have children etc but we seem to be reserving part of ourselves, especially in the mental sense, for the music, that there's something mastubatory or selfish about the whole process. "Well I might be a bit boring but at least I can cope with really hardcore difficult music." Do you think this may be true?
This theory may be true but it is neutralised somewhat by saying the same applies to any sort of fanaticism such as being a sports nut or a D&D devotee.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 16:03
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That's all kind of...dumb. Many of us have wives, children, enjoy movies, and participate in many other forums besides this one. We have careers, ambitions, friends, video games, hobbies, beer...in a word, lives. We are people before we are prog fans. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 16:03
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I simply believe in very few of these generalizations and find little value in them. You have proggers of zero achievement and proggers who are successful parents, doctors, businesspeople, skydivers, etc. For the subset of proggers who are armchair life-livers, parents' basement dwellers, etc....a further mistake is to automatically assume there is something wrong with that. There are some people who are happy living a very anti-social, anti-success, anti-goals lifestyle, they are content with their thoughts and their simple lives, and they don't need kids or spouses or money or skydives to fulfill themselves. There is nothing wrong with these people either, so long as they are content and not hurting anyone. Life is a personal thing. Throughout time it means so many different things to different people. I have seen people in my life that would fall under the "loser" tag to general society, I've seen them live their lives happily, and as far as they're concerned, the joke is on those who jump through hoops to please others. So I think the only truth to this line of generalizing is that no prog fan generalization is truth. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sQD8uhpWXCw" rel="nofollow - It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...Road Rage Edition |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 16:12
" the joke is on those who jump through hoops to please others" The best quote of the day. |
Finnforest wrote:Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 16:27
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Perhaps it's not that proggers achieve nothing- this is clearly false. Maybe it's that it's not enough for them, that they're searching inwardly for more. Is it perhaps akin to religion in some ways? (Again, devil's advocate.) |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 16:28
It's because we like a type of music that isn't pop isn't it!
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Posted By: Mind_Drive
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 16:33
this is so true! ------------- It's just a ride... <3 |
Posted By: HeroOfYesterday
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 18:27
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Prog isn't a substitute for life, it's an enjoyment in our life. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/HeroOfYesterday |
Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 18:47
it is sort of fanatism, but we all have some other interests also, besides Prog.. and yeah, it brings joy in our lives.. and we don't have to sit home in front of pc and listen prog, we use ipod  ..you cannot generalize .. diferent people,diferent interests ------------- www.last.fm/user/angelmk 
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Posted By: Ellegon
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 20:31
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Prog is Life ! ! ! ! |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 21:40
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I am a fan of music more "extreme" than the majority of PA's taste, yet I listen to less music than most of you guys, so your devil's advocate is extremely pointless.
This is to be distinguished from someone who simply has no desire for a personal life outside of hobbies; however I would still argue that is deeply unhealthy for anyone and should be changed, regardless of the person's personal preferences at that moment. Because people need to look beyond their immediate desires and comfort. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 21:48
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I'm going to be starting a D&D campaign with my friends. It's my first time. I, however, do not play WoW and talk about WoW all the time, putting me more on the "having a life" side of the spectrum. Also, might be a bard or a ranger. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 21:51
It's just music, dude.  |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 21:56
Although I only played Baldur's Gate, so I have no idea what's in 4e other than they blew up the world with MAGIC. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 22:06
| I substitute life with prog, I take the song "House With no Door" literally, and have boarded up all doors and windows to my house. I play WoW for 12 hrs a day, listen to prog 10 hrs a day and sleep 2 hrs a day. I don't think I'd have it any other way. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 22:29
Although I certainly don't agree with the posts' conclusion (irrespective if you are the devil or his errand boy) there is a vestige of truth in the assertion that ANY type of entertainment, if it's taken too seriously, can provide a crutch for the disenfranchised and lost souls in our midst. Unfortunately we are assailed from all quarters of the media, by depictions of unrealistic aspirations as the anticipated norm, thus exposing those who are unable/unwilling to fulfil such criteria as being seen to have failed or harbouring thwarted ambitions etc. Furthermore, if reality were ultimately satisfying, no-one would ever create art in the first place. That much seems self-evident (but that just might be me) Kudos for the expression armchair adventurers  ------------- 
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Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 23:30
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I sincerely doubt that prog fans are any more prone to obsessive behavior than fans of any other genre. Now, if you started a thread addressing the obsessive use of hand-held devices, texting, or internet in general, that would be another story...I see people texting while driving down scenic country roads, while at the movies, or out to dinner with their spouse...they are certainly replacing real-life with something else... ------------- https://www.facebook.com/ShadowCircus/" rel="nofollow - ..::welcome to the shadow circus::.. |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 23:42
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I kind of had the impression that "casual prog fan" is, generally speaking, something of an oxymoron ;) |
Posted By: Luke. J
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 01:44
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Devil's advocate normally is the provocative person who wants to have people disagree with him to make them find out that they can't. If you consider progressive rock a drug, then it is the only one I regularly take, and normally this does not cause me to feel comfortably numb and locate glue, breen, yink and pellow things all around them (unless you suffer from synaesthesia). Why should a progressive rock fan not listen to music as metalheads, hip-hoppers or common people do? Because music is more important than everything in our life, in conclusion, is our life? No. We just like music. And, up to now, I never saw any person that obsessed with music that they fail to live (might be because they never get out of their sombrous rooms plastered with CDs and filled with sounds that, if worldly, are at least not from this world). I, at least, don't experience anything near friendship, love or whatever enjoyment in your devilled opinion is to be found in life with music, just enjoy my progressive rock like others enjoy their pop. After all, as said before, it's just music. And don't forget that only prog gives you access to fantastic worlds, born in the minds of people who might not be actually sane in the sense of being like everyone and not insane in the sense of being not like everyone at all. I might be exaggerating here. Now, excuse me, today I plan to go into town, meet some friends do some sports, enjoy my holidays and, of course, listen some prog P.S.: If I was to busy because I need (yes, I DESPERATELY NEED) to listen some prog, I would have limited to a one-word answer being simply 'no'. |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 01:51
| I'm going to form a band called Armchair Adventurers. |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 02:52
| Guilty. But not just when it comes to prog. I see music in general, literature and the visual arts as the very best life has to offer. (I'm not a musician, only a dedicated listener, but as far as books are concerned: I enjoy, translate and teach them every day.) Mind you, I've got a wife and three daughters, and I do my utmost to give them the love they need, but if you were a philistine, you could accuse me of being precisely the kind of loner you're talking about. And I'm proud of it, too. |
Posted By: Fogon the Tyne
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 03:05
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I just think being obsessive about anything to the exclusion of other options just isnt healthy. You need perspective in all things. I love prog music but I also love a host of other things. Good post though because I do have a friend who is totally into hard rock its all he really wants to chat about and being truthful can make him boring. ------------- I have become comfortably numb |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 03:19
I also think it's not very long that kind of monomaniacal fixation on one specific hobby can actually be that rewarding or entertaining, and in my experience that's usually something you do out of habit more than actual enjoyment. So that kind of "lifestyle" is very hard to maintain actively for very long, I imagine the people who actually do that are very few in number. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 04:04
| I notice that I tend to overload on something for a month or so, become bored/sick of it and move on but if it's something I love I always come back. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 07:28
 +1------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 10:37
| Prog is for life. Not just for Christmas. |
Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 11:37
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Prog (along with countless other artistic and cultural forms) enhances life. It doesn't substitute it.
------------- Haiku Writing a poem With seventeen syllables Is very diffic.... |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 14:38
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Interesting discussion. Living your live with the things you want to do withoud bothering other people too much is perfectly ethical in my opinion. The vinyl records I buy are second-hand, so I don't even produce waste with my hobby.
Choosing for what you want to do without desturbing others isn't selfisch at all. Choosing for yourself while hurting others, that's selfish. Futhermore, if we wouldn't listen to prog, the people who want to make it wouldn't have a live as a musician, which could be very hard for them. Althouht I don't agree with this topic's starter, I admire the courage for raising the question. |
Posted By: Birdman
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 18:07
Indeed it is, but damn GOOD music. And that's what makes me (and prog addict) different from mainstream radio-friendly music listeners. Because I care about the lyrics, I care about the harmonies and moods of a song, I care about the time signatures. What I DO NOT care about is what others think. I'm proud of the music I listen to, I'm proud of the sport that I like (being an Arsenal fan in Québec-Canada is lonesome affair, I'll tell you that much !) and I'm proud of the books that I read (Kafka for Christ's sake...).
These are the best things that life has to offer (not forgeting wife and kid of course...) ------------- Et je ferme les yeux Puis je croise les doigts Pour empêcher Les souvenirs de fuir. (KERMESS - Atome d'existence) |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 18:20
| It's funny that prog/buddhism seem to coincide a bit yet being really into prog means searching for and clinging to old records for dear life. |
Posted By: soundsweird
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 23:59
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Who's to say whether the way one live's one's life is any better or worse than any of the other millions of ways that life could be lived? Unless you're clearly living a dysfunctional existence, of course... |
Posted By: TealFoxes
Date Posted: October 14 2009 at 03:59
| I value an intimate romantic relationship the most in my life while music takes a distant second. I'm comfortable with that & don't need success, fame, fortune, enlightenment, etc. Now some people might consider these values much more important in their lives than what I value. Hence, the cycle of various personalities continue... it's All about perception. |
Posted By: thrashaddiction
Date Posted: October 14 2009 at 12:26
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THESE are all great responses...i tend to think that i am owned by my music collection sometimes....that i must listen to great music before there is no time left...i must justify the cds i baught...its great to have an open mind & enjoy all types..not just prog...prog is more of a thinking mans music & pop is is just for the blue coller type...and its cool to be both
------------- get what you can out of life before it gets what it can out of you |
Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: October 14 2009 at 19:45
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Is it that much different from how other people let music influence their lives? Say, people who are really into heavy metal and tattoo their arms and chests into unrecognizable patterns, wear black leather, torn jeans, and sport incredibly long hair? I don't think it's a fair argument to make that people who live for music, be it progressive or not, are lazy or without ambitions. We simply just have a serious passions for something and pursue it doggedly. It doesn't mean we (by we, I mean music addicts) are incapable or unwilling to do other things. I say that music is my life, yet it isn't the biggest aspect of my life, by far. What I mean by that is that music is the thing in life that makes me feel the most fulfilled I can feel. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 15 2009 at 03:25
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By the way, I'll play the devil's advocate here and say that to really appreciate music you'll also need to have a lot of life experience because that's where you get the context to place the music's themes in. (hell, that's usually where the musicians got the idea for what they'd write) ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 15 2009 at 09:24
Seconded -------------  |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 15 2009 at 11:15
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Like all stereotypes, it is somewhat based on truth...
Luckily for me, I grew out of making music the center of my life a while ago... ------------- 
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 15 2009 at 12:58
I would never allow this to happen in my life. Prog music is secondary to the importance of things such as my daughter's first essay or spelling B. However if I am sitting in the back yard drinking coffee and reading the good book, the last thing I would want is an adult trying to take away my freedom. I won't tread on anybody elses shoes and I expect the same respect from them. |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 15 2009 at 16:16
If you want to be a outstanding player, you must sacrifice dates with girls and or most social gatherings. Really it boils down to the old s-it or get off the pot deal  You have to make an effort in this way. Total devotion is what makes a musician solid. Once in a while you can answer a phone call. It's not as if you have taken the vow of silence like a monk. People won't see much of you when you are practicing...true.But you can still run for a hot cup of coffee. If it were some other career that is widley excepted, people wouldn't have beans to say about it. When you are away at college, what can they say? When you return with a future that pays off and supports the family, most people have respect for your craft. Most people in society do not understand the hard devotion that goes into mastering an instrument. They think it's a joke. Sort of like how MTV has always been. Some people are so stupied and ignorant that they will walk in on a musician when he is playing a Paganini piece and say......Well, I can tell when your'e making a mistake Well, of course you can. Because I am practicing you idiot! not performing |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 15 2009 at 16:36
As you can see both of my posts are a contradiction in terms. The first one is for a person that is maybe in his 40's or 50's, has a family and has pretty much mastered his craft, but is neglecting his family for the sole purpose of ambitious profit. The second post is about a person in his early 20's or 30's and is single, and in the midst of mastering his craft. I hope that clears the air of confusion.
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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: October 15 2009 at 22:12
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I have many hobbies outside of prog music. Granted, most of these are also considered 'nerdy' by the mainstream. Video games Reading Sci fi movies I guess I'm just a nerd. :) ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 18 2009 at 19:33
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Yeah and when you mention prog you probably sound more nerdy. -------------  |
Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: October 18 2009 at 20:33
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My wife asked me to choose between prog and she, and here I am. Afterall I have several prog Lp covers with nearly-naked women....
Prog Is Life, na na na na na......!!! ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/"> 
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Posted By: The Acolyte
Date Posted: October 19 2009 at 13:43
EXCELLENT!!!  ------------- "…but would I leave you in this moment of your trial?" |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: October 19 2009 at 15:18
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This is my first visit to the forum for a couple of weeks, owing to work and the fact that I am knee deep helping my wife in her new business (a pub). However, I am sat here listening to David Gilmour live, back on the forum I love, and all is well with the world again. Nerds of the world, unite and take over, even if we sometimes have to make allowances for the real world ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: October 20 2009 at 08:08
Yeah, there are people who actually are in wheelchairs and cannot get laid. Prog is great news for them. I know this because I'm almost there (in wheelchairs and cannot get laid) |
Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: October 20 2009 at 08:09
You will have a lot of threads that you can reply to, thanks to thread-posting addicts like me. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 20 2009 at 08:52
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Hahahaha ... We'll have to take that to the fans and see if they care ...
In general, I think that a lot of us take things seriously but to say that ... we do not have a life ... I'm sorry ... the person who started this thread is so bored ... and probably doesn't like half of music we discuss here ... least of all .. "prog" ...
Well, with all due respest, we don't seem to go around with punk hairdo's and chains and ... you know what I mean ...
Maybe that is what progressive needs ... some attitude ... !!!
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 21 2009 at 04:21
Chances are you mean that in jest but I will have to agree with that. If there's one popular criticism of progressive rock I agree with it's that it's often too formal and hermetic for its own good, something that I guess eventually happens to pretty much any genre with a self-imposed image of intellectualism. I'm not very interested in a good chunk of generally revered prog for exactly that reason. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 22 2009 at 13:23
You know what is funny?
There is not a single band that I have ever heard ... that I got it from the folks here ... even this board is behind the times ... !!!
I think that you simply have to have an open mind ... look at all the suggestions and check out youtube and have fun listening to some of those things ... but the important part is ... give all ... and I mean ALL ... those folks a full year ... not half, not a quarter, not an eighth ... and some of the nicest things come alive ... they really do.
But the most important thing is this ... it's not "prog" as a substitute for life ... it's "music" ... otherwise you will never hear, understand or figure out what can be prog or not and what the term really means and why Robert Fripp thinks that prog'maniacs are crazy .... forget the word ...
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 15:23
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What so you mean a substitute prog is http://life,%20uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Life - life . ------------- |
Posted By: XunknownX
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 22:07
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I rather have 1000 progalbums and alone and be unhappy then wife and family and be unhappy. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 22:39
I mean, give your life whatever purpose you want, but this kinda stuff is pretty sad, even I think. 
------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 23:34
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 23:47
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Creature comforts are not a substitute for proper affection from other human beings, seriously. I may have been single for a while now, but the times I've been able to hold hands, cuddle and kiss other girls, even if just for one night while not listening to any music I would not have traded for being able to listen to music in those particular moments in time. There's a reason why I went from post 200 times a day to not even being on PA every day anymore, and it's because there is a goddamn friggen world out there to be explored and there are other human beings to socialize with, and that doesn't happen when you're being a recluse listening to prog rock by yourself all the time. I'm 20 now, but I realize sometime in as soon as the next few months I'm going to have to, you know, ACTUALLY GROW UP and realize listening to music is far from what should be considered a high priority in one's life. |
Posted By: XunknownX
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 23:49
What I ment was that ones life can be as it is, whatever it depends on. In this case: If one is generaly unhappy (like me) I'd rather be that loving prog then have the same feeling towards life with, for example wife and children. So, in my case, I feel that I don't have a life at all (not having a family), but I rather be in that state digging prog than to feel like that with a family, because otherwise that would mean that my hope for a better life (having a family) will crash and then not even prog would save me. Sad? yes - there's many of me... to put it simple, prog can't be a substiute for life if one hasn't got a life, but rather that then feel the same if I would have had all that that generally is what defines "having a life", if still being unhappy.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 00:05
I think that may be your problem. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 10:53
I'm 10 years older than you and I just realized that just less than two years ago or so...
And when you see and enjoy music for what it truly is (irrelevant) it actually gets better... because you don't have to be rationalizing and judging every music you hear... You pick what you like and what you don't like based in your actual identity, not on what you "should" be liking. -------------
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 16:03
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Music sometimes influence in your life, sometimes too much... but hey... I guess all of us have a lot of hobbies like reading, video games, movies -those three are mine- but those are just hobbies... our jobs, our family and everything else from social relations are really life... so, Prog don't replace life, but makes it a lot more happier... I really enjoy to listen out loud a Dream Theater album after a bad day in the work and believe me and I feel alive again... so music is like the oil in our engines... but our motor is the real life... ------------- |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 11:39
After this intimate touching story of mister XunknownX this is not a appropiate reacting of you mister plainview. Try to get your kick elsewhere with 'being right'. As for mister XunknownX, I took me some time to realisize the full meaning of your story, but I thought it sounded pretty sad. I must say prog is a way to make your live better, an endless stream of art (both music and covers) that can raise the quality of your live. I wouldn't dig into progressive to much if I was unhappy though. Progressive music has it's lonely side: you won't get much recognition in your normal live for your hobby. This might give you a feeling (as it did with me some time) that you are so enourmesly seperated of normal sociaty. Furthermore, research has shown it's better to get out in the world and go for long walks and meet new people then to sit at home feeling sad. Progressive music is a lonely hobby for most of us and might not be very helpfull in this case if you listen to your music at home all the time. I'm not trying to critisize you at all, but I feel touched by your story and I just want to try to help. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 14:26
Enough with all this complaining about lack of mainstream acceptance, or "progsecution complex" as I call it.  This is a world where Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon stayed #1 on the charts longer than any other album ever released, Primus and Tool played Lollapalooza and Pitchfork Media gave Godspeed You Black Emperor's first couple of albums 9/10 reviews. Certain people here are acting like progressive rock is about as popular as power electronics... bonus points for anyone here who actually knows what power electronics is without looking it up on Wikipedia? That's before we get into how that genre's fans are mostly satisfied with it being a niche. Then again, I can get along fine with people who don't like the same music as I do. As time goes on, I spend less and less time talking about music be it in real life or on the net. Hell, I spend less time listening to music because, guess what? Music feels more rewarding when you listen to it in the more life experience you can relate the music to because nothing can be appreciated outside a context, that's pretty much a basic fact of artistic interpretation. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 14:52
------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 15:08
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I can unfortunately say that uptight nerdiness about metal sub-sub-subgenres it not an invention of Wikipedia's. That said it's pretty funny when people invest time and energy into making ridiculously narrow definitions of "depressive black metal" or "epic doom metal"...
------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 15:14
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jajajajaa... depressive black metal...??? there's something more depressive than black metal itself...??? crap... that I didn't knew...!!!! ------------- |
Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 15:31
hehe .. in fact, depressive black metal is quite good subgenre of black metal  .. there are many great bands that play it .. but i'am against inventing sub sub sub genres of metal..black metal doesn't need 1000 diferent sub categories although all that bands have differences in sound, cannot make a category for every band that deviate from the normal scheme ex. Symphonic black, Folk viking, Raw black.. and what was most funny to me is UNBLACK METAL ------------- www.last.fm/user/angelmk
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 10:15
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unblack metal...??? which color is it...??? ------------- |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 12:58
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Christian black metal..
Yes I know... the ultimate in contradictions...
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 16:36
Maybe it could work if it was Gnostic black metal, but then again I'm not sure if Gnosticism really counts as Christianity. Anyway, back on topic: What I meant to say is that I'm getting really tired about progressive rock fans constantly casting themselves as suffering saints over the genre's lack of popularity, which in my experience is mostly imagined. I also sometimes get the impression that certain people here seldom talk about other things than music with other people. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 17:11
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Stop mocking genres that never really took off or arguably existed! *goes off to form Shoegazing Archives* Seriously though, I would like there to be some sort of Alternative/Experimental Rap/Hip-Hop archives. |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 17:13
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 23:14
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Hey everybody, Block dislikes rap music. This means he has superior taste and is on the cutting edge of life itself. Does that get it out of your system? We don't care man. I can't stand Magma but you don't find me running around Magma threads telling people that.
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 19:00
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But this is a thread about life and prog... ------------- |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 11:47
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Yeah... who the hell is wondering about rap and hip hop...???!!!! we enjoy prog and that's what this is about... and prog is not matchable with rap... so.. sorry dude... go somewhere else... ------------- |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 11:50
Seconded ------------- |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 13:17
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 16:39
oh... that's why I don't have friends right...???
 Sorry for the sarcasm... can't help it... ------------- |
Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 17:16
Not only Block dislikes rap, but the majority of PA members.. and You are just running around PA and praising Rap..on many different threads you glorify rap..I don't get it..are you a prog lover or rap fan ?? and remember this is PROG archives..for Rap archives go somewhere else.. ------------- www.last.fm/user/angelmk
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 19:20
------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 20:02
Is one of the brothers smacking my prog up ? Yep, albeit like a good Scottish football goalkeeper, not beyond the realms of possibility. I have a buddy whose 3 favourite artists are King Crimson, Ice T and Slayer. -------------
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Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 10:11
Yeah right ------------- www.last.fm/user/angelmk
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 10:39
I find that hard to believe too. ------------- |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 10:42
I seconded you back... ------------- |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 10:44
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Though my one friend says he likes prog and rap, but I think rap is taking over his life. I no longer conseder him a prog fan. ------------- |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 11:10
Obtuse, just obtuse.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 14:01
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Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 15:40
is that so? opinion is a personal matter.. you cannot say i'm wrong.. i may just have different point of view from yours,it doesn't mean it's wrong ------------- www.last.fm/user/angelmk
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 18:29
Lets see how stupid we are... shall we... Prog is about strange time signatures, rare use of all kind of instruments, experimentation in a musical matter and merging different styles in rock... rap or hip hop is just... some guy talking funny to a microphone while he's holding his chunk and move the hands on the air trying to be mean... and repeating "Joe... Joe... Joe..." every time he can... and have a computer percussion repetitive to mark the tempo... so... mmm... maybe is difficult to like prog and rap at the same time... so that's why is hard to believe it... don't you think mr. Plainview...??? but then is just individual tastes... so... we believe is weird to like both... that's it... ------------- |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 19:46
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 19:48
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If you think it's hard for someone to like both prog and rap, that opinion is straight wrong, and can be proved wrong empircally. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 20:22
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Hmmm - back to the original topic. I think it is possible for someone to be "obsessive" about prog music, but I think the majority of PA ers are dedicated fans who have a life outside prog music. It is the rare individual who locks themself away and excludes all else for the love of music. True they might be happy and not interfering in some nefarious way in the lives of others, but as so many posters before me have said or infered, prog music should not supercede all else in life. There is so much to discover outside the music speakers. I for one play prog or any other music as the mood takes me. I have other things to get on with, so prog is a pleasurable side hobby, but not the only thing in my life. ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 04 2009 at 11:26
That's correct. Such an opinion is just WRONG. It ceases to have the protection of opinions and becomes just a wrong belief. When put against FACTS, it is shown as just a wrong belief.
MAny people here have expressed their views on rap and hip hop and many have been favourable... Being narrow minded is NOT and should NOT be a requisite of people who like progressive music ....
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 04 2009 at 11:40
 OMG, that's life... ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 04 2009 at 13:51
But some opinions are wrong! Just because it is something you think does not mean it's an opinion which cannot be proved wrong and must be respected. It is the difference between saying "I do not like rap" and "Nobody can like rap"--one intersects with reality, while the other does not. moreitsythanyou loves Chamillionaire, Chamberry used to listen to a lot of hip-hop, although he's gone now, and I'm sure there are countless other prog fans who are more open-minded than you. They probably don't post on this forum because they may not think of themselves as prog fans, or perhaps they can't bear the at times overwhelming homogeneity of this forum, but I am positive they exist. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: November 04 2009 at 19:27
Because heaven forbid someone isn't you and doesn't listen to exactly what you like, can think for himself and decides he likes hip hop *rolls eyes* Grow up, seriously. It's exactly these kind of posts that are partly the reason I hardly post anymore and the reason why many people don't take this site seriously. I've been listening to hip hop for about 10 or so years now and yet I'm a collaborator at this site. Are you offended? Do you "no longer conseder" me "a prog fan"? Should I be banned from this site for liking hip hop? In fact, pretty much all my friends who are into prog are also avid fans of hip hop. Are they wrong?
For starters, you are not Micky, stop using ellipses so much. Secondly, the sheer ignorance of your post just further proves Henry's point about random PA members saying stupid things. Can you honestly not be able to re read your post and realize how silly it is? " have a computer percussion repetitive to mark the tempo". That sentence doesn't even make sense, can you not read this back to yourself and laugh yourself silly? Because I know I can. |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: November 05 2009 at 09:03
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Well, since there are 3 guys defending hiphop, well I take back what I said, is not hard to believe then, that someone could like prog and rap... but then tell me, how they record their rythums...??? I've seen a lot of rap/hip hop recordings and all they have is a lyric and a rythum... they plug in a Korg Triton or some studio synth, put out a machine drum and random noices around it... tell me I'm not right... tell me that they use real musicians and compose music... please... do...
I don't have any idea who the hell is Micky, and if he also uses a lot of ellipses, well, sorry for him... I write like this since a lot of years... so, I won't change just cause he did it here before I do... really... ------------- |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 05 2009 at 11:52
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^No all types of music are about putting 4987349837 notes in your mucis or dealing with 3984729 layers of harmony or playing in 54/59 signature or playing a dissonance so dissonant that it could break the crystals in your celing-mirror... Other styles of music are about something else, try to accomplish something different, and are enjoyed by people in different circumstances. Not everybody listens to music only to try to find the "next big mind-blowing musical experiment" band...
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: November 05 2009 at 12:47
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I don't find it that strange that some progressive rock fans would be fans of hip-hop, since there's a more experimental side of hip-hop (Dalek, Cannibal Ox, De La Soul etc.) as well as a short-lived movement from the early 1990s hybridizing jazz with hip-hop and I imagine there's quite a few jazz fans here. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 05 2009 at 15:16
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Prog helps me get through my life. I live in interesting times and need no substitutes.
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: November 05 2009 at 19:38
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Prog is a way of life that most people do not understand ------------- |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 01:06
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@ jampa: Instead of making broad generalizations about things, perhaps you can do the research yourself and find out the truths of things. In case you are in fact, too lazy to go out of your way to do this, I can answer it for you and yes, there are HEAPS of hip hop records with real musicians playing on them. @The Block : I cannot tell if you are a troll, if you are having us on or what, but the fact ANYONE takes prog rock this seriously is sad beyond words. Do you know what I was doing on Halloween night? I was out at a party, that was playing various crappy dance and pop music, having fun and enjoying life and meeting new people. OMG THE HORROR OF IT ALL, I CHOOSE TO BE SOCIAL AND WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN LISTENING TO MY CHOICE OF MY MUSIC ON A SATURDAY NIGHT STUCK AT THE COMPUTER. I must have made the wrong decision right, The Block? I should have just stayed home, because prog rock is SOOOOOOOOOOOO important *rolls eyes* |