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Topic: The Worst Genesis Album?
Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Subject: The Worst Genesis Album?
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 05:16
I know you all hate negative polls, but some questions just need to be asked!
I watched the documentary 'Genesis: A History' last night. I was surprised that the band (Collins, Rutherford and Banks) seemed quite dismissive of many of the albums that are highly celebrated on this website. They consistently argued that the band were getting better with each passing album. The suggested that ABACAB was a real landmark album for them, and Collins argued that one of the best and most effective songs they had written was 'Invisible Touch' (from the album of the same name). I thought it was interesting that the band's point of view was very different from the points of view of many of us who contribute to these pages.
So, which do you think is the worst album?
I think that accolade should go to 'Genesis' - Illegal Alien is in my opinion the worst song ever produced by Genesis. I don't like the plastic sounding 80s production on the album. The cover is also horrific.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 05:28
In other interviews I've heard Phil Collins say his favourite album overall was actually the Lamb. Banks has often said his favourite was Wind & Wuthering.
If the Genesis DVD you're talking about is the one I'm thinking of, then it was made around 1990. I think their perspective on Invisible Touch has changed somewhat. In more recent interviews Banks has cited it as the bands weakest album. Which of course it is, on every level apart from having been a cash cow.
So for me, predictable I guess, but Invisible Touch is the worst Genesis album by far. Abacab has a few hi-lights, but to me, seems like a half arsed album. It sounds like they wrote a couple of good songs, but were pushed for time, so churned out a load of bilge quickly to make the release date. Genesis isn't so bad, although I find illegal Alien toe curling.
Some would say Genesis ceased to be a prog band after Duke, some would say after Wind and Wuthering, and some would go further and say after the Lamb. Depends on your perspective. For me, everything they done between 1970 - 1980 inclusive was excellent, and they remain my top all time prog band.
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 06:21
I remember Tony Banks saying similar things (about the band playing better and recording their strongest material after W & W) in an interview accompanying the recent reunion concert in Rome.
I can see he's got a point. In the 1980s they became a succesful conventional rock band, a well-oiled machine, and they probably had more fun than in the 1970s. Some of their later tunes (e.g. "Jesus He Loves Me") are (almost) delightful.
But you can count me in among those who believe they never did anything better than SELLING ENGLAND!
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 06:24
selftitled for me 1983, the most uninspired and bad sounded album of theirs for sure, worst then Invisible or can't dance or even then calling all station, I don't know but I can't get into this release for years.
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 06:57
Actually, for me, The Lamb was and is still the hardest Genesis album to get into. I have never really got to grips with it and in comparison with earlier and the much maligned albums of the 80's period such as "Abacab" and the s/t "Genesis", The Lamb, imo is long, ponderous and boring!! The best album they ever did and never surpassed was SEBTP.
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 07:04
Honestly, "From Genesis to Revelation" is their worst for me with Abacab coming in second.
Invisible Touch has never bothered me. I'm not going to call it a paragon of progressive rock, but it's still a great album with only a few clunkers. I find it amusing that the much maligned album (according to progressive fans) is really the one that made them comfortable for the rest of their lives.
Here's something to think about, especially for the musicians out there. Would you rather be playing "Selling England" to a room of about two hundred ultra critical fellow musicians who sit in their seats for the entire show analyzing your every note OR playing "The Last Domino" to Stadiums of screaming fans who are jumping up and down obviously in love with everything that you do in front of a huge state of the art video screen? . . . and don't forget, in the second option, you're not moving your own equipment at the end of the show. Yeah, I'd play Invisible Touch without a single regret.
Sorry, went on a rant . . .
Worst album is "From Genesis to Revelation", best is Selling England, Invisible Touch gets an unfair rap on this site.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 07:06
From Genesis To Relevation and Calling All Stations.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 07:12
As big of fan of the band as I was in the late '70's I can't really answer the question because I still haven't heard one of the studio albums yet: We Can't Dance. I basically lost interest in keeping up with them as they went commercial. I guess I'm one of the few who actually like their debut album and replaced my first CD of it with a Japan LP sleeve version no too long ago.
I have the video retrospective where the notorious three were very dismissive of their prog fans and it really pissed me off. I saw them on the Duke tour and I'm pretty sure the majority of the fans who were at the show I saw were there were prog fans.
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Posted By: catfood03
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 07:24
I think Invisible Touch is excellent, even the songs over-killed on the radio. For me I can't think of a "bad" Genesis album, but I think "ATTW3" is a bit weak (with the notable exception of "Motherlode", "Burning Rope" and a couple others)
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 07:25
Haven't heard most of the so called 'turkey's from the 80's but did hear 'We Can't Dance' in its entirety once at a party (which begs the question, why did the host invite me: did a flu epidemic decimate the guestlist?)
It's a decent pop album which to be fair doesn't pretend to be anything other but in comparison with their rich and enduring legacy, We Can't Dance gives squeaky toys a bad name...
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 07:56
As ever, thisbegs the question: what would have Kevin Gilbert bought to the party with the possibility of fresh and invigorating ideas, if he had not died just before an audition to replace Collins
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 08:08
Calling All Stations, definitely. Couldn't bear to hear it more than once. I was so disappointed with that one. Maybe it just sounded so unlike Genesis without Phil in there, but the music itself also completely failed to be compelling in any way to me.
Invisible Touch is a top-notch pop album, as is the s/t Genesis album, and particularly the latter. I have no problem with either of those. We Can't Dance has its weak spots, even from a pop music perspecitve, but overall it's not bad. I've seen FGTR mentioned here too - that also has some weak spots (e.g. Window, In Limbo, Fireside Song), but the strong numbers are excellent (e.g. In the Wilderness, In the Beginning, Am I Very Wrong).
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 08:46
Invisible Touch is the worst Genesis album, from the point of view of a Prog fan.
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 09:00
Dick Heath wrote:
As ever, thisbegs the question: what would have Kevin Gilbert bought to the party with the possibility of fresh and invigorating ideas, if he had not died just before an audition to replace Collins |
Seconded, I would have loved to see that.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 09:28
Like Blacksword, I love everything they have done from 1970 - 1980.
Like Snow Dog, for many years Genesis' first and last studio albums were my least favourite, though in the past few years my opinion towards From Genesis To Revelation has changed a bit : I start to like it a bit after all.
Abacab: I admire them for making something really fresh, but I don't like it as much as I did anymore. It's not a bad album at all, though, and every song is good. Just not brilliant.
I'm not a big fan of Genesis ("Shapes" / The Yellow album), though when
it came out back in 1983 I was absolutely crazy about it. I still like
Mama and Home By The Sea / Second Home By The Sea a lot, but the rest
is a big weak for Genesis standards. Still not a bad album, with no bad song on it. I remember Tony Banks saying in an old interview that he really liked side one, and thought that side two (from "Illegal Alien" on) was easily the worst they had ever done.
Invisible Touch: they invested in a modern production, and modern drum and synth sounds, which is nice. Once again, I used to be crazy about it when it came out. I remember Rutherford saying that it was their best album since A Trick Of The Tail. It's interesting to see that their opinions have changed about the album. Once again, decent album, but somehow something is missing. Substance? Depth? Well, maybe it's simply prog that is missing, though on a pop level it is quite a good album. And Domino is still a nice epic. So is Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, but it has the worst Genesis lyric ever done ("Tonight tonight tonight we're gonna make it right"). But it's not like the old stuff anymore.
We Can't Dance: decent, and never a bad song, like with all the '80's albums, but it sounds even more 'flat' than Invisible Touch. The drums sound a bit tame. Where's the adventurous Collins? Still, even that one is not a bad album. But it's certainly one of my least favourite albums. They were good craftsmen at that time, but the artistic level has dropped immensely. I don't blame them, but I'm just not happy with it.
I admire Banks and Rutherford in their effort to make a 'darker' Genesis with Calling All Stations, but I have the feeling that somehow the album doesn't work out. Not for me, but I guess neither for many other Genesis fans. I think the compositions are not so good (except for "Calling All Stations" and "Congo", though the latter song needed to be abbreviated ).
Objectively, I'd say that the worst album is Genesis, because there it seems that the did the least trouble to make a great album. As it comes to personal taste, I choose Calling All Stations.
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Posted By: splyu
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 10:18
Whatever it is, it's not the self-titled. Indeed, I'd go as far as saying that's the best album from the three-man era. Don't care that much for Illegal Alien either (though it's OK) but the rest of the second side is very good, too, especially Just A Job To Do and Silver Rainbow, really good stuff IMO. And the first side is monstrous.
I don't feel like naming a worst album, in fact every album has at least a few tracks I really like. For example, what's not to like about The Dividing Line and Alien Afternoon? Fading Lights and Living Forever? Domino and The Brazilian? etc...
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 11:47
Roland113 wrote:
Honestly, "From Genesis to Revelation" is their worst for me with Abacab coming in second.
Worst album is "From Genesis to Revelation", best is Selling England, Invisible Touch gets an unfair rap on this site.
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I think that a little slack needs to be given seeing that From Genesis to ....is their first album. Most bands don't come out of the gate with a great album or an album that people migrate to. I think that Genesis didn't hit their stride till SEBTP.
Something else to consider would you rather put out a great album as your first then have mediocre albums to follow or slowly refine your songwriting skills and be more successful in the long run. Case in point PF had a great first album then some lesser ones till they got to Meddle/DSOTM.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 12:14
I think 'FGTR' was not bad as a debut album, when you consider they were about 18 and trying to please Jonathan King. It was a 'foot in the door' album and not really representative of what they would become. I guess this is why most people regard Trespass as their true debut.
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 12:16
crimhead wrote:
Roland113 wrote:
Honestly, "From Genesis to Revelation" is their worst for me with Abacab coming in second.
Worst album is "From Genesis to Revelation", best is Selling England, Invisible Touch gets an unfair rap on this site.
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I think that a little slack needs to be given seeing that From Genesis to ....is their first album. Most bands don't come out of the gate with a great album or an album that people migrate to. I think that Genesis didn't hit their stride till SEBTP.
Something else to consider would you rather put out a great album as your first then have mediocre albums to follow or slowly refine your songwriting skills and be more successful in the long run. Case in point PF had a great first album then some lesser ones till they got to Meddle/DSOTM.
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Crimhead,
I think both of your points are certainly valid, I wouldn't expect any band's first album to be their best. If it is, the band will be plagued by questions of 'what happened' for the rest of their career which is kind of what you were getting at in your second point (if i understand that correctly).
Regardless of whether or not I give it slack, it remains the only Genesis album that I don't listen to with any kind of regularity and thus for me, it's their worst.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 12:25
The Gabriel stuff is all that excites me.
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 12:37
I've never been able to get into Duke, and haven't listened to it in eons. Maybe it's because that's when I was discovering The Lamb and Selling England, and Wind & Wuthering. It just didn't sound the way I wanted it to.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 12:56
Obviously, the debut. From genesis to Revelations.
Followed by Calling all Stations.
Of the 3-4-5 albums, the only one that almost sucks is ABACAB
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 13:35
The self titled by a long stretch. An exceptional first side followed by quite the worse second side of an album ever made. It wasn't good prog, not good pop, not good rock, nor good anything, and the secret to their success was to make a fantastic blend of each.
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 15:33
valravennz wrote:
Actually, for me, The Lamb was and is still the hardest Genesis album to get into. I have never really got to grips with it and in comparison with earlier and the much maligned albums of the 80's period such as "Abacab" and the s/t "Genesis", The Lamb, imo is long, ponderous and boring!! The best album they ever did and never surpassed was SEBTP. |
Anyway, it's a difficult question cos I can't listen to anything after ATTWT (Couple of dodgy tracks on that) but I still like it - after that I liked Duke and ABACAB and even Genesis when they came out but now! Well I like challenging music and none of them are that. And I like GOOD POP and none of them are that!
So what's the point? Plenty more fish in t' sea.
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 15:50
ABACAB gets such an unfair rap here.
FGTR and Invisible Touch are my least favorites.
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Posted By: lazlocarreidas
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 14:22
I am very surprised that people are naming FGTR as a bad album. For me it is so good, so beautiful and special.
Ok, the worst: "Calling All Stations".
Then "We Can't Dance", then "Invisible Touch", and then "Genesis"
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Posted By: mourningknight
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 15:07
For me,it's a toss up between Invisible Touch and We Can't Dance. Just the mere thought of them makes me want to hurl BUT at least Invisible Touch has The Brazilian ,so We Can't Dance it is! Just horrible.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 15:23
Invisible Touch or their Self Titled.
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Posted By: splyu
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 16:45
lazlocarreidas wrote:
I am very surprised that people are naming FGTR as a bad album. For me it is so good, so beautiful and special. |
I agree. While obviously not prog, for the life of me I can't see that it's a bad album, on the contrary, very very good late 60s psych-pop or whatever you're going to call it.
Edit. The replies in this thread are getting on my nerves, seriously. I know I used to be the same, thinking anything good about Genesis stopped with ATTW3, or Duke at the very latest. Then, after years in that ignorant state of mind, I got Abacab, and thought it wasn't half bad. Then I got Genesis and thought it was even better! In fact, by now, I think every single Genesis album has its merits. Have you guys listened to Fading Lights from We Can't Dance? The Dividing Line from Calling All Stations? Really. You like what you like, sure, but judge things on what they are, not what you want them to be.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 21:57
I actually think Genesis did have some prog or at least proto-prog moments on their first album and I do think that on their latter albums they did throw their prog fans the occasional bone, so I wouldn't be surprised if Fading Lights was the boner from We Can't Dance.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 09:17
FGTR >>> I actually like this album.... It's revealling (no pun) of their early influences
ATTWT & Duke >>> both are still proggish to me and I must say that I've upped my opinion on these two in the last decade
Abacab >>> definitely among the worst >>> I hate almost everything on it, excpt for the title track and maybe Lurker
Shapes >> axtually side 1 is not that bad (almost of the Duke level) with Home By The Sean Mama, That's all,....... but the horrible second side sinks it
Invisible Touch >>> if it wasn't for Land Of Confusion, I'd hate everything about it..... this album is as bad as Abacab, IMHO ..... and the proof that longer tracks are not necessarily better
We Can't Dance >>> I never really got up to listening to this one, the title turning me off before I even look at the back of the album for the track list.... The few tracks I remember (Jesus He Knows me, No Son Of Mine , etc...) are so aggressive to me that I don't think I gave this album a fair chance.... I won't rate worse tha, IT or Abacab though, partially because I haven't heard it all..... or should I say: I heard it all, but didn't isten to it.
Calling All Stations >>> I remember listening to this one about two years aftezr it had come out (to tell you how much of a hurry I was in) and thinking of the better moments of Abacab, but as with WCD, I can't say I'm remembnering that much of this album, so I won't rate is as low as IT or Abacab
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Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 11:06
I actually enjoy Invisible Touch quite a bit. I agree that the album is weak at some points, but overall I do enjoy most of what's on there.
I think all their 80s albums have their strong and weak points and there are good songs on each one of them.
Plus, I for one actually enjoy "Illegal Alien" and "Whodunnit?". I think they're nice representations of the fun, silly side of the band.
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Posted By: SgtPepper67
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 12:11
Invisible touch and We can't dance are definitely their weakest in my opinion, although there are some great tracks on them. After reading The Book of Revelation and watching the remaster DVD interviews it really surprised they don't really seem satisfied with any of thei Gabriel era album, wich I considered definitely some of their best, while they seem very proud of albums like Abacab or Genesis. I haven't get to part where they talk about Invisible touch or We can't dance yet, but I hope they don't think those are better than anything they released on the 70's or I'll be very disappointed.
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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 14:23
Calling All Stations. Talk about falling far from the halcyon days.
Bit unfair to sl*g their debut, since they hadn't found their sound yet, IMO.
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: November 04 2009 at 20:47
Calling All Stations is the worst album, at least for me.
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 08:39
I haven't heard the complete Genesis catalog, but of what I have heard (the five classic albums with Gabriel, plus bits and pieces of "Genesis" and "Invisible Touch"), the latter two are unbearable, so much that I could barely get through the opener on "Invisible Touch".
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:08
Abacab is the worst, I think. Nevertheless I want to emphasize that the Dodo/Lurker track is worth remembering, to avoid adding anything to an unfair wrap. From Genesis to Revelation comes second; it's not a bad album, but it reveals immaturity: a dragon launched too young.
Note: I have never heard Calling all Stations, so there remains a little doubt.
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Posted By: mohaveman
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 14:44
The self-titled album is a tad worse than Invisible Touch. But it's close.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 14:54
I lean towards "Calling All Stations," but none of their pop-prog experiments really floated my boat! All of 'em had a decent song or two, but "I Can't Dance" (and its attendant video) give me the shivers!
ATTW3 was a decent recovery for the remaining band members, and the gig I saw with Daryl Stuermer was excellent! I wish that Rutherford had given up on the "I can play lead guitar as well as Hackett" bit, and the band recorded with Stuermer or other guitarist.
Genesis with John Goodsall would have been magnificent! Alas.
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 15:25
Yes, to me also the Genesis Self-title is the worst of all. A part from home by the sea and a little bit Mama, is their another progressive track on it? It's more pop rock too accessible music
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 15:40
Oh dear. So much crap. And Then There Were Three. That was it for me. Couldn't get into anything after that treacherous garbage. The only track I think I can listen to post-W&W is Abacab and I can't be in a grouchy mood which is most of the time.
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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 16:02
"...Calling All Stations..." is just horrid. I don't know why people are picking the debut. Sure, it was just an average and unmemorable Psychedelic Pop album, but at least it doesn't have that awful, processed, manufactured 80's/ 90's sound.
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Posted By: JeffBeddow
Date Posted: September 30 2010 at 18:30
I would have to say "Genesis." It sounded as if the band didn't know what direction they wanted to go in, and "Illegal Alien" is simply one of the dumbest songs from ANY band EVER. "Henry the VIII" by Herman's Hermits beats it for substance on any given day.
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Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: September 30 2010 at 21:33
Very close between Calling All Stations and Genesis. Can't really pick, both are awful.
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Posted By: Frayz
Date Posted: April 14 2016 at 21:24
IMHO Invisible Touch is the worst album without doubt. All tracks sounds like a hybrid between A-ha album & Phil Collins solo album.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 15 2016 at 05:28
Frayz wrote:
IMHO Invisible Touch is the worst album without doubt. All tracks sounds like a hybrid between A-ha album & Phil Collins solo album. |
I doubt the Genesis guys knew about A-Ha and A-Ha's 80s works is better than Phil's, Genesis and Mike's works of those times. (if you ask me)
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Posted By: Frayz
Date Posted: April 15 2016 at 07:10
Cristi wrote:
Frayz wrote:
IMHO Invisible Touch is the worst album without doubt. All tracks sounds like a hybrid between A-ha album & Phil Collins solo album. |
I doubt the Genesis guys knew about A-Ha and A-Ha's 80s works is better than Phil's, Genesis and Mike's works of those times. (if you ask me)
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Everyone have different taste, but i agree some songs on IT are worse than A-ha songs. But on the proggy songs like Tonight, tonight, tonight, Domino, and The Brazilian sounds more like A-ha tries to be prog IMHO. Also i think that Morten Harket vocals are better than Collins vocals on IT.
Why do you doubting Genesis dont knew about A-ha in those years? I just want to know
IMHO both A-ha and Mike & Mechanics are two of the best pop bands in the 80s.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 15 2016 at 07:22
Frayz wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Frayz wrote:
IMHO Invisible Touch is the worst album without doubt. All tracks sounds like a hybrid between A-ha album & Phil Collins solo album. |
I doubt the Genesis guys knew about A-Ha and A-Ha's 80s works is better than Phil's, Genesis and Mike's works of those times. (if you ask me)
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Everyone have different taste, but i agree some songs on IT are worse than A-ha songs. But on the proggy songs like Tonight, tonight, tonight, Domino, and The Brazilian sounds more like A-ha tries to be prog IMHO. Also i think that Morten Harket vocals are better than Collins vocals on IT.
Why do you doubting Genesis dont knew about A-ha in those years? I just want to know IMHO both A-ha and Mike & Mechanics are two of the best pop bands in the 80s. |
I doubt the guys from Genesis were paying attention to pop groups from Norway, I don't know. They might have considering Take on Me was a huge hit back in 1985.
You mean Genesis were trying to be prog with the 3 songs you mentioned from Invisible Touch.
I like Mike & the Mechanics as well. 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 15 2016 at 13:13
I expect Genesis were very much aware of other pop music of the time, including A-Ha. Their transistion to pop/rock would have been influenced to some degree by the big pop groups of the time.
Remember Bank's/Collins claim that Mama was influenced by Grandmaster Flash?
As far as 80's pop goes I thought A-ha weren't that bad.. There was far worse pop at the time.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 15 2016 at 13:20
Blacksword wrote:
I expect Genesis were very much aware of other pop music of the time, including A-Ha. Their transistion to pop/rock would have been influenced to some degree by the big pop groups of the time.
Remember Bank's/Collins claim that Mama was influenced by Grandmaster Flash?
As far as 80's pop goes I thought A-ha weren't that bad.. There was far worse pop at the time. |
A-ha were great, still are, they released an album last year.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 15 2016 at 13:23
Blacksword wrote:
I expect Genesis were very much aware of other pop music of the time, including A-Ha. Their transistion to pop/rock would have been influenced to some degree by the big pop groups of the time.
Remember Bank's/Collins claim that Mama was influenced by Grandmaster Flash?
As far as 80's pop goes I thought A-ha weren't that bad.. There was far worse pop at the time. | Magne Furuholmen have some nice keyboard solos as well, he might be influenced by Banks but maybe also Banks took notice of Magnes playing as well.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 15 2016 at 17:02
We Can't Dance takes the cake here. I recall in the documentary on the making of the album that came with the 2006(?) CD/DVD where the band talked about how they'd go into the studio and doodle around with a few notes before slowly building a melody from there, and that's how it went. Well, it sure sounds like that's how they did it. Whatever happened to going into the studio with a few already written rough versions of songs, boys? Just a mess and almost seems like a contractual obligation album for the band.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 16 2016 at 01:42
Rednight wrote:
We Can't Dance takes the cake here. I recall in the documentary on the making of the album that came with the 2006(?) CD/DVD where the band talked about how they'd go into the studio and doodle around with a few notes before slowly building a melody from there, and that's how it went. Well, it sure sounds like that's how they did it. Whatever happened to going into the studio with a few already written rough versions of songs, boys? Just a mess and almost seems like a contractual obligation album for the band. |
Only a couple of songs were already written for A Trick of the tail when they went into the studio. The rests were just fragments that developed while they were in the studio.
I do agree about WCD though. It is mostly awful, apart from Fading Lights and No son of mine.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 16 2016 at 04:49
I like WCD, I think it's better than their 80s works, well, except for Duke, obviously.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 16 2016 at 07:02
worst Genesis album? trick question.
Genesis didn't a worse album...unless one counts their last which is usually what tells a band they need to call it a day anyway. You do have to hand it to Genesis... they were remarkably quite consistent during their career of putting out mediocre inconsistent albums then raising their game to doing fairly good albums chock full of good songs. Go figure..
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: April 16 2016 at 11:48
I can live without anything post Duke quite easily though there was the odd moment where they nailed it. Picking one is difficult.
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Posted By: Vikingrat9966
Date Posted: April 16 2016 at 13:34
Got Duke first and went backwards. Like a lot of stuff that was precious to me when I was younger seems to not hold up to well. After being on a huge SH and PG binge I can do with out Invisible Touch and Calling All Stations. Most of the stuff after Duke moved ever farther away from what I loved about them.
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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: April 16 2016 at 13:43
The last one. But they had lots of horrible albums, I must say.
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: April 18 2016 at 06:42
If pushed I'd say the least liked Genesis album is the debut. But it has the funniest story (star of the religious cut out record bins).
I found that recompiling certain albums gives 'e a whole new listen. Invisible Touch (oh too happy for we misery loving prog fans) when the first three get the unedited versions and the judiciously included B sides this way it's now a 2 LP set (equivalent). The variety is quite beguiling. Same with Genesis and Abacab (lovely bass work from Mike Rutherford on that one.) Yes, I know the production has that bright 80s thing... but the paying and writing is too good to allow mere production values to stop it. The dismal production of Foxtrot never stopped that from being pretty good... at least well appreciated.
Calling All Stations (again with all those B sides makes for more than a full CD does have a different drummer that gives the album a whole different feel). I like to stick with the band and trust they know what they are doing and the audience will catch up. Terrific new singer (then) and fine performances. Enjoyable live DVD with a harder rocking Genesis.
Of the last albums I suppose We Can't Dance might be my least favourite (depends on the mood for the day) but it's hardly disliked.
Bonus points for the fun '80s videos. Someone was not taking themselves too seriously...
There. As harsh and mean spirited as I can be toward our dinosaur friends. That reminds me, I still haven't seen the episode of This Is Your Life featuring Rutherford. Must be on You Tube land somewhere...
So that's it; least liked - the debut, but it's not disliked. Make sure you get the 2 CD version. They did very well all things considered.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 18 2016 at 12:43
To be honest I don't really play anything after 'Wind and Wuthering' though I do own 'And Then...' and 'Duke'. But to me the worst would be Calling All Stations...I mean hell, Collins isn't even on it so is it even Genesis ...?
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Posted By: Ier
Date Posted: April 18 2016 at 13:39
I have to say Abacab... The album just doesn't 'hit' me.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 18 2016 at 13:46
uduwudu wrote:
If pushed I'd say the least liked Genesis album is the debut. But it has the funniest story (star of the religious cut out record bins).
I found that recompiling certain albums gives 'e a whole new listen. Invisible Touch (oh too happy for we misery loving prog fans) when the first three get the unedited versions and the judiciously included B sides this way it's now a 2 LP set (equivalent). The variety is quite beguiling. Same with Genesis and Abacab (lovely bass work from Mike Rutherford on that one.) Yes, I know the production has that bright 80s thing... but the paying and writing is too good to allow mere production values to stop it. The dismal production of Foxtrot never stopped that from being pretty good... at least well appreciated.
Calling All Stations (again with all those B sides makes for more than a full CD does have a different drummer that gives the album a whole different feel). I like to stick with the band and trust they know what they are doing and the audience will catch up. Terrific new singer (then) and fine performances. Enjoyable live DVD with a harder rocking Genesis.
Of the last albums I suppose We Can't Dance might be my least favourite (depends on the mood for the day) but it's hardly disliked.
Bonus points for the fun '80s videos. Someone was not taking themselves too seriously...
There. As harsh and mean spirited as I can be toward our dinosaur friends. That reminds me, I still haven't seen the episode of This Is Your Life featuring Rutherford. Must be on You Tube land somewhere...
So that's it; least liked - the debut, but it's not disliked. Make sure you get the 2 CD version. They did very well all things considered.
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Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: April 18 2016 at 14:07
micky wrote:
worst Genesis album? trick question.
Genesis didn't a worse album...unless one counts their last which is usually what tells a band they need to call it a day anyway. You do have to hand it to Genesis... they were remarkably quite consistent during their career of putting out mediocre inconsistent albums then raising their game to doing fairly good albums chock full of good songs. Go figure..
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Man how tastes have damn changed, never expected to read that on a Prog forum.. , even once in a blue moon haha Yeah Collins' era was what really summed it up for me too, I mean what really moved me on Phil's heydays. Funny that now, honestly, I don't really care about his return to the scene, go figure.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: April 20 2016 at 13:25
Everything after Wind & Wuthering is worse than From Genesis to Revelation. Although admittedly I stopped listening after Genesis s/t.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: April 20 2016 at 13:27
Tillerman88 wrote:
micky wrote:
worst Genesis album? trick question.
Genesis didn't a worse album...unless one counts their last which is usually what tells a band they need to call it a day anyway. You do have to hand it to Genesis... they were remarkably quite consistent during their career of putting out mediocre inconsistent albums then raising their game to doing fairly good albums chock full of good songs. Go figure..
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Man how tastes have damn changed, never expected to read that on a Prog forum.. , even once in a blue moon haha Yeah Collins' era was what really summed it up for me too, I mean what really moved me on Phil's heydays. Funny that now, honestly, I don't really care about his return to the scene, go figure. | Micky is an outlier. Welcome to the site!
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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: April 20 2016 at 13:36
Calling All Stations......the only Genesis album that I ever sold at a used record shop. If you need a copy, just check the cut out bins.....CAS and Dance are readily available for a buck.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 20 2016 at 14:06
^I'll buy that for a dollar.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 02 2018 at 03:07
ABACAB
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Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: April 02 2018 at 03:21
We Can't Dance
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: April 02 2018 at 04:54
Really don´t like these worst of... polls, but in this I can participate. Because ...Calling All Stations is so horrible.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: April 02 2018 at 04:55
Frenetic Zetetic wrote:
ABACAB | You´re thinking Invisible Touch & Calling All Stations are better than Abacab? Ok opinion to me, but interesting.
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