Best concept album story?
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Topic: Best concept album story?
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Subject: Best concept album story?
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 16:56
I have to say Frances the mute-The mars volta-excellent lyrics and cool and complex story that fits excellent with the music.
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 16:58
The story for Frances the Mute is crap.
Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters - Now there's a great concept album story! And it's true as well!
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:00
I love lamb lies down on broadway, I only wish they had made a movie similar to the Wall or Tommy, since the music blows those two away. 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:01
Kevin Gilbert's The Shaming of the True.It's not exactly prog,maybe "prog pop",but the man was a musical genius and I love his work(what little he gave us before he passed on).
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:02
Trouserpress wrote:
The story for Frances the Mute is crap.
Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters - Now there's a great concept album story! And it's true as well!
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Crap??? Besides the frances the mute story is semi-true because one of the guys in the band found a diary in a cab about a guy that searches for his mother...I really thinks its a great story with a lot of strange meanings that can be interpeted almost anyway you like to but still unrevailing enough meaning to get the big picture...True art..but well well its perhaps not very complex but the lyrics is really well written like something from Van der graaf forexample a plauge of lightouse keepers
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:05
Trouserpress wrote:
The story for Frances the Mute is crap.
Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters - Now there's a great concept album story! And it's true as well!
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If you're going to launch volatile statements like that without a solid reason to back up your claim than your opinion(if that is what you want to call it) is crap.
Arena...Contagion...easy to follow lp about a man's search for redemption.
Ayreon...The Human Equation...about a man who put himself into a self comatose state because of his betrayals to his friend and neglect to his wife....unbelievable story with awesome music to back it up.
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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:05
Niel Morse - Testimony.
The story of how he was brainwashed by somebody I can't mention for legal reasons,then quit spock's beard because he found God and did not want to say "F**K YOU" live in concert anymore.
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Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:10
Ayreon - The Human Equation, Will you accept Quadrophenia?
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Posted By: Andhi
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:14
I'd have to say The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. The lyrics are
fantastic and the storyline really weird, and I think it fits together
much better than any other concept album I've heard. My only criticism
is that I still don't understand what's happening in a few places...
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:15
The lamb lies down on Broadway !!!
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:16
limeyrob wrote:
Will you accept Quadrophenia? |
No!...you must give back your commemorative prog t-shirt and hand over your forum membership card to the moderators right this instance young man.
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:18
gdub411 wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
The story for Frances the Mute is crap.
Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters - Now there's a great concept album story! And it's true as well!
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If you're going to launch volatile statements like that without a
solid reason to back up your claim than your opinion(if that is
what you want to call it) is crap.
Arena...Contagion...easy to follow lp about a man's search for redemption.
Ayreon...The Human Equation...about a man who put himself into a
self comatose state because of his betrayals to his friend and neglect
to his wife....unbelievable story with awesome music to back it up. |
Fair enough, lad. I'll do some justifying:
It's not really a story, per se. It's a loose concept that's dealt with
so abstractly, lyrically speaking, that's it's almost completely
obfuscated. To claim it's the best "story" for a concept album just
strikes me as absurd, as there's simply so little "story" to it.
As I say, Lockheed's far more entertaining, but no one's ever heard that album it seems... 
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Posted By: CaincelaOreinim
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:29
I personally think The Lamb has never been matched in terms of story and like Nets said, it's truly a shame that there's no movie of it let alone live footage/DVD stuff. Aha, Genesis reunion JUST for that? I'd do...unlikely, no, improbible but I'd go. It's a surreal masterpiece and Gabriel's allusions to the Quabbalah (see chamber of 32 doors I believe?) and other interesting religious(?) overtones are more than great.
In terms of the Volta's approach to storytelling in its over the top recherche rococo ridiculousness (which I love by the way) I'd have to say De-loused is a bit harder to grasp than Frances and I'll take it's story over Frances' anyday. Musically I'll take Frances, but De-loused' sci-fi tinged craziness is paretty interesting I think...biochemical microcosmic viri inside the body of the comatosed patient...creating characters within the central "out of the picture" character (i.e. Cerpin Taxt or is it Julio Venegas? you see!?)...having to journey to avoid all sorts of alien entities mainly the Tremulants, the Televators, Moatilliata, and becoming the Tres Ojos...his impending suicide...pretty cool if you ask me...
If you have NO CLUE as to what I'm talking about...there's a De-Loused short story that the band wanted to include in the booklet of the album but for whatever reason didn't make it. You can dl it at goldstandardlabs.com and if it's not there anymore, get in touch with me and I'll send it to whomever wants.
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:34
That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure playes a mean pinball... !!! 
No realy mine is Quadrophenia
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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:37
limeyrob wrote:
Ayreon - The Human Equation, Will you accept Quadrophenia? |
NO....,but my son will accept The Human Equation. (He Loves that CD).
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:41
Salem Hill's "Robbery of Murder" is a clearly laid out concept album. I won't say it's the best, but it is good, tells an emotional story and has many great melodies and lyrics. A man and his son get hit by a drunk driver, the father is killed. The son grows up without his dad and swears revenge on the drunk driver who get a light sentence. They finally meet in a bar, of course, and the son is armed with a pistol..... I don't want ot give it all away, buy the album.

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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:41
flowerchild wrote:
The lamb lies down on Broadway !!! |
Why did the lamb lie down on Broadway?Is it a joke?
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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:42
NetsNJFan wrote:
I love lamb lies down on broadway, I only wish they had made a movie similar to the Wall or Tommy, since the music blows those two away.  |
You were right the music Blows.
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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:45
flowerchild wrote:
The lamb lies down on Broadway !!! |
Also: "Subterranea" by IQ (the search for redemption that ends with a true discovery - the seeker is destined to being a slave).
"The Fall of the House of Usher" by Peter Hammill (he added some extra Poe's characters: Montressor pays for a previous crime - depicted in "The Cask of Amontillado" -, being trapped in The House of Usher as it finally crumbles down and dying with his hosting friend Usher).
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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:45
danbo wrote:
Salem Hill's "Robbery of Murder" is a clearly laid out concept album. I won't say it's the best, but it is good, tells an emotional story and has many great melodies and lyrics. A man and his son get hit by a drunk driver, the father is killed. The son grows up without his dad and swears revenge on the drunk driver who get a light sentence. They finally meet in a bar, of course, and the son is armed with a pistol..... I don't want ot give it all away, buy the album.

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I Know the end.And I agree It's not the BEST but it is O.K.
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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:48
Dazo wrote:
danbo wrote:
Salem Hill's "Robbery of Murder" is a clearly laid out concept album. I won't say it's the best, but it is good, tells an emotional story and has many great melodies and lyrics. A man and his son get hit by a drunk driver, the father is killed. The son grows up without his dad and swears revenge on the drunk driver who get a light sentence. They finally meet in a bar, of course, and the son is armed with a pistol..... I don't want ot give it all away, buy the album.

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I Know the end.And I agree It's not the BEST but it is O.K.
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BE is Much better.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:49
Dazo wrote:
NetsNJFan wrote:
I love lamb lies down on broadway, I only wish they had made a movie similar to the Wall or Tommy, since the music blows those two away.  |
You were right the music Blows.
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Oh....very funny Senor Member!! Arriba!
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Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:51
NetsNJFan wrote:
I love lamb lies down on broadway, I only wish they had made a movie similar to the Wall or Tommy, since the music blows those two away.  | | |
You were right the music Blows
Have you seen Quadrophenia. Great film and great music. From one great mixed up 60's child. I preferred motor bikes but preferred the mod look
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 18:56
limeyrob wrote:
NetsNJFan wrote:
I love lamb lies down on broadway, I only wish they had made a movie similar to the Wall or Tommy, since the music blows those two away.  | | |
You were right the music Blows
Have you seen Quadrophenia. Great film and great music. From one great mixed up 60's child. I preferred motor bikes but preferred the mod look
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I've seen Tommy, ok movie (well not really in retrosepct ), haven't seen Quad, great album though. AND WHICH MUSIC BLOWS? 
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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 18:58
limeyrob wrote:
NetsNJFan wrote:
I love lamb lies down on broadway, I only wish they had made a movie similar to the Wall or Tommy, since the music blows those two away.  | | |
You were right the music Blows
Have you seen Quadrophenia. Great film and great music. From one great mixed up 60's child. I preferred motor bikes but preferred the mod look
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Im Sorry I meant the music blows on "The Lamb".Tommy Was the first concept album of any note and is still the best.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 19:01
BE owns all those 70s Prog albums (conceptual ones only)!!!!
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Posted By: Fibonacci's Se
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 19:08
gdub411 wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
The story for Frances the Mute is crap.
Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters - Now there's a great concept album story! And it's true as well!
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If you're going to launch volatile statements like that without a
solid reason to back up your claim than your opinion(if that is
what you want to call it) is crap. |
well said...you need a point to back up your statement - otherwise its pointless
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 19:17
Trouserpress wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
The story for Frances the Mute is crap.
Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters - Now there's a great concept album story! And it's true as well!
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If you're going to launch volatile statements like that without a solid reason to back up your claim than your opinion(if that is what you want to call it) is crap.
Arena...Contagion...easy to follow lp about a man's search for redemption.
Ayreon...The Human Equation...about a man who put himself into a self comatose state because of his betrayals to his friend and neglect to his wife....unbelievable story with awesome music to back it up.
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Fair enough, lad. I'll do some justifying:
It's not really a story, per se. It's a loose concept that's dealt with so abstractly, lyrically speaking, that's it's almost completely obfuscated. To claim it's the best "story" for a concept album just strikes me as absurd, as there's simply so little "story" to it.
As I say, Lockheed's far more entertaining, but no one's ever heard that album it seems... 
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Actually I would agree with you. Too many hidden meanings for my tastes. Switching back and forth from one language to the next is also disconcerting. I still think it is a decent lp, though....I mean...it's not like it's the first album to be lyricaly abstract...just look at Yes or Genesis's Lamb Lies Down On Broadway for lhyrics that make you say....huh?
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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 19:17
Dream Theater: Scenes From A Memory
and
Savatage: Wake Of Magellan
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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 19:22
Snow Dog wrote:
Dazo wrote:
NetsNJFan wrote:
I love lamb lies down on broadway, I only wish they had made a movie similar to the Wall or Tommy, since the music blows those two away.  |
You were right the music Blows.
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Oh....very funny Senor Member!! Arriba!
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Isn't that the Spanish for mr.c*ck? 
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 19:25
Dazo wrote:
Dazo wrote:
danbo wrote:
Salem Hill's "Robbery of Murder" is a clearly laid out concept album. I won't say it's the best, but it is good, tells an emotional story and has many great melodies and lyrics. A man and his son get hit by a drunk driver, the father is killed. The son grows up without his dad and swears revenge on the drunk driver who get a light sentence. They finally meet in a bar, of course, and the son is armed with a pistol..... I don't want ot give it all away, buy the album.

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I Know the end.And I agree It's not the BEST but it is O.K.
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BE is Much better. | Salem Hill's "BE" is better, but the concept isn't as clearly defined, a rather loose diatribe of the world today, love, success.... Very powerful and venomous.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 19:26
maidenrulez wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
The story for Frances the Mute is crap.
Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters - Now there's a great concept album story! And it's true as well!
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Crap??? Besides the frances the mute story is semi-true because one of the guys in the band found a diary in a cab about a guy that searches for his mother...I really thinks its a great story with a lot of strange meanings that can be interpeted almost anyway you like to but still unrevailing enough meaning to get the big picture...True art..but well well its perhaps not very complex but the lyrics is really well written like something from Van der graaf forexample a plauge of lightouse keepers
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The story isn't too bad, but there are miles of other stories that are better.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 19:28
BE is so MUCH WELL THOUGHT OUT THAN SALEM HILL'S "BE".
Face it, most people compared to Daniel GIldenlow are just dumbasses
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 19:40
King of Loss wrote:
BE is so MUCH WELL THOUGHT OUT THAN SALEM HILL'S "BE".
Face it, most people compared to Daniel GIldenlow are just dumbasses
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Obviously you don't know the difference between an apple and an orange. Do you have any facts with which to support your claim or are you just a flamer?
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Posted By: walrus
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 20:15
THICK AS A BRICK!!!!!!! The best one
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 20:23
I like the stories to many concept albums. They give the listener the incentive to complete the album, rather than listen to 1 or 2 songs then swtich the CD. I'd have to say my favorite Concept story overall is The Who's Magnum Opus Quadrophenia. It is just a topic that so many can relate to (not 100%, but many things I can relate to). Prog-Wise, there are too many good ones to count. I like the story of the Lamb, I like the story of the Wall, I like the story to A Passion Play and TAAB. I guess I'll go with A Passion Play for now, ask me tomorrow and I'll probably say The Universal Migrator: Parts 1 and 2 (the Ayreon concept albums are also incredibly well done).
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Posted By: wallace
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 20:30
Aye -defernately Thick assa Brick.
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Aybit Calvert's "Captain Lockheed & Starfighters" - Wallace ha' thisun an' "Lucky Leif and the Long Ships".
Oi chuck'd baith lps. Ain wert tolerable ,th' orther wert pure twaddle. (Ah fergits which ain.)
(Alang t'sem line 'n theme, mebbe yew'd lik "Curley's Airships" 2 cd set wiv VDGG etc.)
Ah tinks it were "Lucky Leif" which wert arssist'd by novelist Micheal Moorcock.(Alser him play'd banjo thare!). Anither Moorcock/exHawkwind connection be DEEP FIX concept lp "New World's Fair". (Band had twa members o'High Tide an' Third Ear Band!) New World's Fair ha' an innerestin' decadent/warld weary concept atta fairground, but generul lackluster compositioon didnae hald a candle tae th' middlin' guid concept.
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Posted By: Cluster One
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 21:27
"The Lamb" is by far the 'greatest'
We are still trying to figure out what the f**k it is all about 30 years later... 
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 22:01
Many bands I enjoy have grappled with a concept album
The Pretty Things - S.F. Sorrow
Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick, A Passion Play (and even Aqualung feels like it might be one)
The Who - Tommy, Quadrophenia
Pink Floyd - The Wall
Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime
Supertramp - Crime Of The Century
and more recent offerings from Ayreon and The Mars Volta
But I'll be damned if many of them didn't require extensive liner notes or in a few cases a movie to make sense of it all ... is there anyone where the story leaps out at you just through listening to the album (that of course may not apply to modern albums where liner notes and lyrics are a given)?
BTW, arguably my favourite of them all is the original recording of Jesus Christ Superstar with Gillan as Jesus ... of course the preparatory liner notes to that one were rather extensive 
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 22:24
Personally I think its Pink Floyd's "Animals" is a great concept album... very deep man! The whole dividing the human race up into three different animals: Pigs, Dogs and Sheep. I think the Pigs are the greedy opportunist type of people, the Dogs are ruthless doers and the Sheep are the ignorant followers. It's a really interesting and artistic album, I find the whole concept of the dehumanising side of Capitalism just fascinating and "Dogs" is one of my favorite PF tracks ever.
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 22:48
Operation: Mindcrime wasn't bad at all.
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Posted By: Reverie
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 23:31
I haven't heard most of these albums since i'm pretty new to prog rock so i can't really say. what i will say, though, is that Pain of Salvation's 'BE' is by far the most interesting concept i've ever heard in album format. I haven't heard the entire album, nor have i read all the lyrics, but i get the gist of it. Very ambitious!
I also think Dream Theater's 'Scenes From A Memory' has a very interesting concept behind it, and the story is well told and a little intricate too.
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Posted By: nousommedusolei
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 01:02
A Passion Play...
The story is very inspiring once you figure it out.
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I don't believe in devils
I only believe in you
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 01:11
 The Human Equation 2004
I think the concept from this album is great, and gathered with an excellent musicians, and a marvelous music, is one of the best albums in the story of prog, i think the best concept...
the story is like a novella and is beautiful and crazy about the feelings...
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Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 01:31
The Laaaaaaaaaaamb.
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Posted By: eze231084
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 01:36
Dream theater - Scenes from a memory
Pink Floyd - Wish you were here
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Posted By: Mategra
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 02:02
Cesar Inca wrote:
"The Fall of the House of Usher" by Peter Hammill (he added some extra Poe's characters: Montressor pays for a previous crime - depicted in "The Cask of Amontillado" -, being trapped in The House of Usher as it finally crumbles down and dying with his hosting friend Usher).
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That's a really good one! Chris Judge Smith and Peter Hammill have actually improved Poe's original story, IMHO.
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Posted By: the dragon
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 02:33
The one and only: The Lamb lies down on Broadway.
But also IQ Subterranea and Arena Contagion are very good.
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 02:36
Trotsky wrote:
Many bands I enjoy have grappled with a concept album
The Pretty Things - S.F. Sorrow
Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick, A Passion Play (and even Aqualung feels like it might be one)
The Who - Tommy, Quadrophenia
Pink Floyd - The Wall
Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime
Supertramp - Crime Of The Century
and more recent offerings from Ayreon and The Mars Volta
But I'll be damned if many of them didn't require extensive liner notes or in a few cases a movie to make sense of it all ... is there anyone where the story leaps out at you just through listening to the album (that of course may not apply to modern albums where liner notes and lyrics are a given)?
BTW, arguably my favourite of them all is the original recording of Jesus Christ Superstar with Gillan as Jesus ... of course the preparatory liner notes to that one were rather extensive 
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 - Thanks for reminding me/us about J C Superstar with Gillan as Jesus - the best rendition IMO.
{Actually there are some really good musical concept albums by Lloyd-Webber/Rice and earlier ones such as "Hair".} Quadrophenia is perhaps the album that made the most impact on me.
I also agree with Threefates - Animals is an excellent concept album from Pink Floyd 
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"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence"
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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 02:41
What about
Horslips - The Tain
Camel - The Snow Goose and Nude.
All these tell great stories and the music is fabulous. Concept albums rarely work; these do brilliantly.
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 02:49
No one has mentioned Marillion's albums
- Script For A Jesters Tear
- Misplaced Childhood
- Brave
- This Strange Engine
All great albums IMO especially "Brave" 
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"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence"
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 04:04
....still: "The Lamb" RULES!!!
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Posted By: omri
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 04:44
Few things to diferent people here.
To Dazo - too many ships in Wales leads you to those mistakes ? (A joke, O.K.). Tommy is not the first concept album. The moody blues's days of future passed was released 2 years before that. It's not a story but definitely a concept. Speaking about stories I think even PF's the wall is a much better story than Tommy (and it's not one of PF's greatest).
To 3 fates - Animals is not a story but a descreption of the state of human beings. Actualy I wrote something very similar to yours just yesterday on another thread here. Your english is better but the meanings are equal (and I agree it's a great album).
To the lamb fans - I go with you. I think the lamb is an allegory of how life in N.Y. seems to a guy from England. The diferent behavior, the shalowness ( cartoon is the word I think), the alienation etc... That's why it is psychadelic & weird. I vote with you !
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Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 05:30
Not mentioned yet (I think):
Kayak - Merlin, Bard of the Unseen
    
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Posted By: samuel.jeronimo
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 07:23
NetsNJFan wrote:
I love lamb lies down on broadway, I only wish they had made a movie similar to the Wall or Tommy, since the music blows those two away.  |
I agree totally
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Posted By: wallace
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 08:26
Ah mebbe wrang on dis ain -but isnae Kayak "Merlin" only a concept on a single side o' th' lp?? Or a few tracks at maist?
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Posted By: Progshrike
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 08:46
What about Snow by Spock's Beard?
------------- Did you ever think for yourself? Just once,did you ever think? That's all I want to know>
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Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 08:59
wallace wrote:
Ah mebbe wrang on dis ain -but isnae Kayak "Merlin" only a concept on a single side o' th' lp?? Or a few tracks at maist? |
You are right and wrong. On the 1981 album, it was one side (five songs). On the 2003 album, they expanded the original five songs to fourteen to cover a whole CD.
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Posted By: MikeSweedish
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 09:10
My favorite concept album has to be Scenes From a Memory-Dream Theater
I also love
The Wall-Pink Floyd
Human Equation-Ayreon
I have Universal Migrator 1 & 2, and Into the Electric Castle, both great albums, of course the plot to the story is very Sci-Fi and nerdy, still great.
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Posted By: Gloryscene
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 10:59
For me it has to be either; Remember The Future by Nektar, Nude by Camel or Frances The Mute by The Mars Volta but I have still got to spin Lamb Lies Down On Broadway some more! 
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Posted By: frippertronik
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 16:08
KING CRIMSON
ISLANDS
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 16:23
For me: the Casino - album. Not only a great storyline by Geoff Mann, but Clive Nolan's music fits around the storyline like a glove.
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Posted By: Zell87
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:04
Progshrike wrote:
What about Snow by Spock's Beard? |
Infact, why wasn't snow by spock's beard mentioned, it's a great concept
album, in fact at times I think it would make a great movie.
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Posted By: DavidInsabella
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:07
maidenrulez wrote:
I have to say Frances the mute-The mars volta-excellent lyrics and cool and complex story that fits excellent with the music. | What is the story? The Mars Volta is in my top 3 or 4 favorite bands but lyrically they're sub par. I have no idea what the lyrics mean, and not just because some are in Spanish. Either way, the music is what drives it, not the story.
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Posted By: DavidInsabella
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:22
King of Loss wrote:
BE owns all those 70s Prog albums (conceptual ones only)!!!! | I agree
I think the greatest conceptual stories are Be, Remedy Lane, and The Perfect Element. All three are very different.
The Perfect Element is the story of two forgotten souls, one named him, and another named her. It's the story of thier lives. A simple concept, but the way it's delivered is excellent. The story goes from him, who is homeless and beaten on the streets, to her, who has a similar story, to when they meet, to a flashback of how they came to be the way they are, to thier deaths.
Remedy Lane is also a simple concept, the sad events of Daniel Gildenlow's life, all based on true events. The dates of which the events in the songs took place are written in the lyrics sheet, but the story is not in chronological order. The story's start and end are both about loss of virginity, something that seems like a strange subject for a concept album, but the depth of it is excellent. It also ranges from his first child that was stillborn, the girl from the story hanging herself, and finding new love. Seeing it is believing it.
Be on the other hand, isn't a simple concept at all. It's about the meaning of life. The character Animae is God, and the story is he and the human race coming to be. The hardships of humanity and the eventual death of the human race are incorporated.
I believe that these are the greatest concept pieces.
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Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:53
Triumvirat's Spartacus! 
Well, I don't really know the point of the question. Is it the best album with a concept, or the best concept for an album?
Anyway, I'd says Camel's Rajaz and Harbour of Tears music fit really to their concept, and they are pretty good album indeed.
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Posted By: AngelRat
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:01

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Posted By: Zell87
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:14
DavidInsabella wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
BE owns all
those 70s Prog albums (conceptual ones only)!!!! | I
agree
I think the greatest conceptual stories are Be, Remedy Lane, and The
Perfect Element. All three are very different.
The Perfect Element is the story of two forgotten souls, one named
him, and another named her. It's the story of thier lives. A simple
concept, but the way it's delivered is excellent. The story goes from him,
who is homeless and beaten on the streets, to her, who has a similar
story, to when they meet, to a flashback of how they came to be the way
they are, to thier deaths.
Remedy Lane is also a simple concept, the sad events of Daniel
Gildenlow's life, all based on true events. The dates of which the events in
the songs took place are written in the lyrics sheet, but the story is not in
chronological order. The story's start and end are both about loss of
virginity, something that seems like a strange subject for a concept
album, but the depth of it is excellent. It also ranges from his first child
that was stillborn, the girl from the story hanging herself, and finding
new love. Seeing it is believing it.
Be on the other hand, isn't a simple concept at all. It's about the
meaning of life. The character Animae is God, and the story is he and the
human race coming to be. The hardships of humanity and the eventual
death of the human race are incorporated.
I believe that these are the greatest concept pieces. |
I must agree on the perfect element part 1, it is a great concept album,
although I find it quite strange that entropia wasn't mentioned, I find it's
theme quite insoiring and reflective, such as the strive in the loss of
family members, the struggle during a war, and a quite recurrent theme
in pos albums, being broken down, and I must say that for a debut album
it is a formidable effort, that succeeds where many have failed even at a
second or third release, and I must say that I truly admire them for
making exclusively concept albums as studio albums.
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Posted By: Zell87
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:17
But I must add that the lamb lies on broadway is probably hard to outdo
as a concept album!
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Posted By: Zell87
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:19
*the lamb lies down on brodway
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Posted By: transend
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 21:22
Snow....? A movie? What shall we call it 'Tommy 2'?
I like 'Scenes from a memory' but i am not sure if I can say that because I may get labelled a 'DT FAN BOY'.
'The wall' is good too.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 21:27
DavidInsabella wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
I have to say Frances the mute-The mars volta-excellent lyrics and cool and complex story that fits excellent with the music. | What is the story? The Mars Volta is in my top 3 or 4 favorite bands but lyrically they're sub par. I have no idea what the lyrics mean, and not just because some are in Spanish. Either way, the music is what drives it, not the story. |
Since I'm not a fan of Mars Volta, I'm not going to agree with you, but about the lyrical part, completely agree. Most of it just sucks ass.
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Posted By: alchemist
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 21:30
NetsNJFan wrote:
I love lamb lies down on broadway, I only wish they
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"The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway the Movie" great idea!!!!!!! Although this would never happen.....
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 12:59
Posted By: DavidInsabella
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 16:21
Zell87 wrote:
DavidInsabella wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
BE owns all those 70s Prog albums (conceptual ones only)!!!! | I agree
I think the greatest conceptual stories are Be, Remedy Lane, and The Perfect Element. All three are very different.
The Perfect Element is the story of two forgotten souls, one named him, and another named her. It's the story of thier lives. A simple concept, but the way it's delivered is excellent. The story goes from him, who is homeless and beaten on the streets, to her, who has a similar story, to when they meet, to a flashback of how they came to be the way they are, to thier deaths.
Remedy Lane is also a simple concept, the sad events of Daniel Gildenlow's life, all based on true events. The dates of which the events in the songs took place are written in the lyrics sheet, but the story is not in chronological order. The story's start and end are both about loss of virginity, something that seems like a strange subject for a concept album, but the depth of it is excellent. It also ranges from his first child that was stillborn, the girl from the story hanging herself, and finding new love. Seeing it is believing it.
Be on the other hand, isn't a simple concept at all. It's about the meaning of life. The character Animae is God, and the story is he and the human race coming to be. The hardships of humanity and the eventual death of the human race are incorporated.
I believe that these are the greatest concept pieces. |
I must agree on the perfect element part 1, it is a great concept album, although I find it quite strange that entropia wasn't mentioned, I find it's theme quite insoiring and reflective, such as the strive in the loss of family members, the struggle during a war, and a quite recurrent theme in pos albums, being broken down, and I must say that for a debut album it is a formidable effort, that succeeds where many have failed even at a second or third release, and I must say that I truly admire them for making exclusively concept albums as studio albums. | True, Entropia is great too. To me it's about the negative effects of war. In Winning A War and Oblivion Ocean there's many references to children losing thier parents in war, like you said, and the ending track Leaving Entropia is very moving too. "You don't have to walk thier way, you don't have to watch the show" meaning you don't have to get caught up in such things. You're right, Entropia is a great one too. One Hour is also pretty good, about a lake that was ruined by pollution.
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Posted By: DavidInsabella
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 16:23
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 18:48
Yea, but however you can easily tell the difference between Pain of Salvation and The Mars Volta. I've always felt that the Mars Volta isn't just as good as Pain of Salvation on concepts and suchs, howvever music is all based on personal perference.
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Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 19:43
Well, Ayreon always has good stories, my favorite being from The Human
Equation. Not neccesarily a really shocking are crazy story, but what's
there is very cool.
DT's Scenes from a Memory of course is a great story as well as album.
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Posted By: MorgothSunshine
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 08:58
Pink Floyd - The Wall
Who - Quadrophenia
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Posted By: DavidInsabella
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 13:25
King of Loss wrote:
Yea, but however you can easily tell the difference between Pain of Salvation and The Mars Volta. I've always felt that the Mars Volta isn't just as good as Pain of Salvation on concepts and suchs, howvever music is all based on personal perference. | Yeah, I prefer Pain Of Salvation too. But like you say, personal preference.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 13:29
As I say, Lockheed's far more entertaining, but no one's ever heard that album it seems...  [/QUOTE]
We have "Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters" too at home, and I can only agree with that.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 15:27
the wall: the floyd
the final cut: the floyd
wywh: the floyd
scenes from a memory: DT
six degrees of inner turbulance: DT
ritual de lo habitual: jane's addiction (is jane's prog? you decide. methinks so in some respects)
ok computer: radiohead (as a band, not prog. as and album, prog)
aqualung: tull
thick as a brick: tull
zaireeka: the flaming lips
yoshimi battles the pink robots: the flaming lips
the flaming lips should at least be addressed as being prog or not. i want to know what you all think on the subject.
i have a very open view of what "prog" is by the way
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Posted By: tube-type
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 20:15
Passion Play, Jethro Tull - excellent musicianship as well as good studio and recording work for late '72 technology.
Six Wives Of Henry VIII, Rick Wakeman - I don't think I saw it mentioned in this thread...the first time we heard it, the synthisiser sweep in the middle of Jane Seymour caught us by surprise, but of course we could get real Columbian back then...
Spartacus, Triumvirat - another good one...
Tommy, The Who - c'mon, it's the one that started it all...
Voyage of the Acolyte, Steve Hackett - solid main-theme melody...
CONCEPT SIDES:
Terrapin Station, The Grateful Dead - listen to it before you rush to judgement...
Atom Heart Mother, Pink Floyd - very ambitious and quite clever writing for '69 - '70
Smallcreep's Day, Mike Rutherford - I didn't think much of the other side...
THE OBSCURE:
The Beat Goes On, Vanilla Fudge - a very strange but commendable effort from The World's Greatest Cover Band.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 21:47
this could possibly be the most un-prog comment ever, but how about...
"greendale" by neil young?
i may just be grabbing at any concept album i can think of now (?)
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 21:54
That wasn't un-prog at all, I think Neil Young is a great non-prog artist.
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Posted By: DavidInsabella
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 22:42
stonebeard wrote:
the flaming lips should at least be addressed as being prog or not. i want to know what you all think on the subject.
i have a very open view of what "prog" is by the way | I dn't think they are. I think prog is music with different musical techniques (any kind of advanced time, key, or melody) and while I don't know much about The Flaming Lips, I'm not sure how much of that they do.
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Posted By: undefinability
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 23:50
I did enjoy Frances the Mute's story-like substance, but I wouldn't necessarily say it was the best.
Either IQ's Subterranea or Dream Theater's Metropolis pt. 2: Scenes From a Memory would be my pick, although I'm still being introduced to the "storyline" atmosphere of certain albums.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 23:59
If you like Pain of Salvation, the BE storyline kicks so much ass 
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Posted By: undefinability
Date Posted: May 29 2005 at 00:02
I've actually never heard Pain of Salvation - I've heard the name, but it always seemed to be a cheap knock-off of other band (the name, not the music). I'll have to give 'em a try.
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: May 29 2005 at 17:43
eze231084 wrote:
Dream theater - Scenes from a memory Pink Floyd - Wish you were here
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I'll go with Scenes
but WYWH is not a concept album, right?
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Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: May 29 2005 at 17:46
The Miracle wrote:
eze231084 wrote:
Dream theater - Scenes from a memory Pink Floyd - Wish you were here
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I'll go with Scenes
but WYWH is not a concept album, right?
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I think it's a pretty established fact that the album is based on the life of Sid Barrett, so to me it is a concept album. From DSOTM onward through The Final Cut, all PF albums were concept albums, and probably some of the ones before as well.
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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: June 09 2005 at 21:39
danbo wrote:
Dazo wrote:
Dazo wrote:
danbo wrote:
Salem Hill's "Robbery of Murder" is a clearly laid out concept album. I won't say it's the best, but it is good, tells an emotional story and has many great melodies and lyrics. A man and his son get hit by a drunk driver, the father is killed. The son grows up without his dad and swears revenge on the drunk driver who get a light sentence. They finally meet in a bar, of course, and the son is armed with a pistol..... I don't want ot give it all away, buy the album.

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I Know the end.And I agree It's not the BEST but it is O.K.
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BE is Much better.
| Salem Hill's "BE" is better, but the concept isn't as clearly defined, a rather loose diatribe of the world today, love, success.... Very powerful and venomous. |
Sorry, I did not make myself clear, I did Mean "BE" by Salem Hill.
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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: June 09 2005 at 21:52
Zell87 wrote:
Progshrike wrote:
What about Snow by Spock's Beard? |
Infact, why wasn't snow by spock's beard mentioned, it's a great concept album, in fact at times I think it would make a great movie. |
Didn't I mention Tommy (snow) Earlier.
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Posted By: Bionic Commando
Date Posted: June 09 2005 at 21:57
Difficult question...
Scenes from a memory is quite good in this department, mainly because of its depth and that amazing twist at the end. Operation: Mindcrime is also such a good story, told perfectly. And Snow is excellent, if not a little basic at parts.
My vote however goes to Shadow Gallery - Tyranny / Room V. Excellent, simply excellent. The story about a man who realises the true implications of his occupation and just what the government are doing through "War for sale". Upon further investigation the man is promptly fired, and finds himself caught up in a rollercoaster ride of disguises, government conspiracies and a new found confidence in his newly befriended female internet companion. He literally rocks the system. I won't say anymore though for those who haven't listened to the original. Room V is simply the continuation of Tyranny. Two hours after "Christmas Day" I believe.
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Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: June 09 2005 at 22:36
It's NOT the Lamb, that's for sure.
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Posted By: justin
Date Posted: June 09 2005 at 22:40
Ayreon -- The human equation
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Posted By: Gaston
Date Posted: June 09 2005 at 23:03
I think Tales is the best. But I don't count, I'm biased. It has it
all, really, all I'm looking for in the elements and such. I love
ancient stuff, I related to Tales much better. I'm biased, that's what
I said, right.
Pink Floyd is good yes, and Dark Side should be up there, but Pink
Floyd has its own concepts and I think Yes does it a little better. I
think the collective concept of about
The Yes Album to say, well I think to Tormato, imho. It's cuz you have
the whole "starship trooper" thing happening from the Yes Album and it
carries on over to Fragile, the trooper flying over, the landing of the
blown up planet "plugs" into the earth on Yesongs, etc.
So you have tribulations and such and the world is fragile, there are
wars and such, and the planet explodes or breaks apart and/or is
destroyed. "Starship Trooper" takes off before it crumbles (I'm
thinking crumbling earth like how the Nothing crumbled the earth in the
Neverending Story) and so you escape and you land and such on Yesongs.
Oh, also Roger Dean is obviously involved in such a concept.
So you had these wars and such, things were terrible - that was the
reason for the destruction actually, and it was fortold in Fragile and
Close to the Edge, with Relayer actually telling about the wars.
Then you have Tales. And that's like the bible stuff here. It's outside
of that other concept, it's telling about how that construct came to
be, how we are as humans and such, ah man, it's such a good album.
So I guess Going and Tormato make up our current world paradigms. They
explain modernity and how, I dunno, it's almost like they fortell how
it's like rebirth and such for the planet to explode and then for us to
populate other worlds and then have THAT world be corrupted and have
the same thing happen again. In other words it's cyclical.
And then on top of all that you have Yes as the medium, Yes, the actual
"relayer". Yes the product. All the albums then make sense together.
I hope that made sense, someone removed the Radiohead post and I don't know why so I'm taking out another rant here.
I'm so bored.
Gaston
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It's the same guy. Great minds think alike.
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 10 2005 at 00:12
Zargus wrote:
That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure playes a mean pinball... !!! 
No realy mine is Quadrophenia
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That was on "Tommy." 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 10 2005 at 00:22
Frank Zappa's immortal epic Joe's Garage deserves much recognition.
Oh, and Operation: Mindcrime was a terrible rock opera. There, the glove is thrown!
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Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: June 10 2005 at 00:56
I cant decide!
Dream Theater - Scenes From A Memory
Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime
Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans
Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon
Iron Maiden - Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
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