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Topic: Is Rock and Roll About Sex?
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Subject: Is Rock and Roll About Sex?
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:23
I don't want to lead the witness or anything.... but with the release of "the Runaways" there is a clamor again to say: rock and roll is about sex.

I thought, what rock? Stupid, vulgar, amateurish non-rock? Prog has much higher ambitions, even at the relative low ends of the genre, than the "pelvic thrust."

What about the Who or the Beatles? I mean what a crock of sh*t.

There is constant referencing to firstly Elvis... who by no means was the founder of Rock that they make him out to be, then to the stupid 70s metal bands and hard rock bands. I don't listen to that crap* and I listen to a LOT of Rock music. Even THEN, sex isn't the overriding driving force and this is in the WORST** of rock-related music.

I just think it's a stupid and ignorant assertion of people who don't listen to Rock, who are way too involved in Freud and psychological adventures and who are contemptuous of the ability of music to be meaningful, serious, socially critical and imaginative.

What say you? Big smile

*Sorry
*Sorry Again



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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:30
Without sex there would be no rock & roll.

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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:30
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Without sex there would be no rock & roll.


Explain how.


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:31
You may not know this but Rock 'n' Roll was slang for sex when it was first applied to the music.  LOL

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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:33
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Without sex there would be no rock & roll.


Explain how.

Where did all the rock & rollers come from? Their parents had to have done something. Wink


Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:33
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Without sex there would be no rock & roll.


are you saying that a Eunuch would find no reason to express himself in Rock music? These kind of people do exist - and do love music. Sorry, but music is independent from sexual drives.

Even love, which expresses simply a lack of creativity and a going for the lowest common denominator of human experience, is not about Sex entirely. But this is a consequence of a low level of culture in lyrics. Not music and certainly not in the potentiality of music.


Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:33
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

You may not know this but Rock 'n' Roll was slang for sex when it was first applied to the music.  LOL


He's absolutely right. As such, rock and roll really is about sex.


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:35
When I tell my wife...."lets Rock n Roll...." she knows its game on baby....Evil Smile


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:39
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Without sex there would be no rock & roll.


Explain how.


You can extend it to other music too.  Without sex, rock and roll would never have been born -- biological reasons that led to the birth of rock and roll musicians.  Was a little joke.

To answer your initial question though, I think rock and roll was about dancing to a  large extent, but dancing is often a courtship/ mating / copulation ritual. And yes, rockin' and rollin' is a sexual term

 Sex and drugs and rock & roll are commonly linked, of course.

Is rock and roll just about sex; no.




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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:39
I mean come on, suppers ready isn't about Sex the Wall isn't about sex, Who's Next isn't entirely about Sex (bad example), Lamb Lies Down is only partially about sex.

But even if a prog recording has sexy lyrics, its not just about sex, it usually goes beyond it

Lamia>Do it With Rael> symbol for Rael's alienation from others.


^EDIT: note above post was released simultaneously, so no relation


Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:43
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


Is rock and roll just about sex; no.




Of course, it would be funny to assume that it is.

If that's the case, then that seasoned witch could rearrange my liver anytime! Wink


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:45
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Even love, which expresses simply a lack of creativity and a going for the lowest common denominator of human experience, is not about Sex entirely. But this is a consequence of a low level of culture in lyrics. Not music and certainly not in the potentiality of music.
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**sorry for dbl post**....but I 100% disagree.....
Somewhere I know I read that "music is sex..."
 
Those who can show their LOVE are very creative...how else can you show such an emotion without being creative? We all know it is an emotion, and difficult to show.
We are animals and SEX is a huge part of the animal kingdom...right next to food.
 
I like the LCD of human experience......I mean I don't think I want to experience SEX thru a Vulcan mind-meld LOLLOL.....that ain't right..
 


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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:46
*exasperated*

Yes but Dancing was transformed by the need to express certain moods and ideas into something else: rock.

Its like this: we evolved from fish, but we don't eat zooplankton in the benthic zone anymore.

In 20,000 BC, the tribal constitution was based on the Gens, the family structure, today society bases itself on the Nation State.

The nation state traces back to the Gens, but it expresses new relationships, new ideas and new levels of culture.

See? Dancing may be about mating.... but Rock isn't. If it is, it a regression. Prog is a progression.

Why do I try? Disapprove


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:47
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Without sex there would be no rock & roll.


are you saying that a Eunuch would find no reason to express himself in Rock music? These kind of people do exist - and do love music. Sorry, but music is independent from sexual drives.

Even love, which expresses simply a lack of creativity and a going for the lowest common denominator of human experience, is not about Sex entirely. But this is a consequence of a low level of culture in lyrics. Not music and certainly not in the potentiality of music.


No, wasn't implying that.

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Without sex there would be no rock & roll.


Explain how.

Where did all the rock & rollers come from? Their parents had to have done something. Wink


Bingo!

If their parents hadn't been rock and rollin' in the sack, there would be no rock & rollers making music.


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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:48
The saying "Sex, drugs and rock & roll" comes from somewhere and has to be based on something.

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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:50
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

*exasperated*

Yes but Dancing was transformed by the need to express certain moods and ideas into something else: rock.

Its like this: we evolved from fish, but we don't eat zooplankton in the benthic zone anymore.

In 20,000 BC, the tribal constitution was based on the Gens, the family structure, today society bases itself on the Nation State.

The nation state traces back to the Gens, but it expresses new relationships, new ideas and new levels of culture.

See? Dancing may be about mating.... but Rock isn't. If it is, it a regression. Prog is a progression.

Why do I try? Disapprove


(This was in relation to an earlier post that said Rock and Roll comes from Dancing and Dancing comes from mating rituals)


+JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE SAY ROCK IS ABOUT SEX DOESN'T MAKE IT SO....


Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:51
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

*exasperated*

Yes but Dancing was transformed by the need to express certain moods and ideas into something else: rock.

Its like this: we evolved from fish, but we don't eat zooplankton in the benthic zone anymore.

In 20,000 BC, the tribal constitution was based on the Gens, the family structure, today society bases itself on the Nation State.

The nation state traces back to the Gens, but it expresses new relationships, new ideas and new levels of culture.

See? Dancing may be about mating.... but Rock isn't. If it is, it a regression. Prog is a progression.

Why do I try? Disapprove


Where does jazz fit into this? Bluegrass? Country? Samba? Different forms, different functions, different expressions. No linearity, just parallel and occasionally overlapping sensibilities for distinct effects.


Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:53
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

*exasperated*

Yes but Dancing was transformed by the need to express certain moods and ideas into something else: rock.

Its like this: we evolved from fish, but we don't eat zooplankton in the benthic zone anymore.

In 20,000 BC, the tribal constitution was based on the Gens, the family structure, today society bases itself on the Nation State.

The nation state traces back to the Gens, but it expresses new relationships, new ideas and new levels of culture.

See? Dancing may be about mating.... but Rock isn't. If it is, it a regression. Prog is a progression.

Why do I try? Disapprove


Where does jazz fit into this? Bluegrass? Country? Samba? Different forms, different functions, different expressions. No linearity, just parallel and occasionally overlapping sensibilities for distinct effects.


THEY DO

its the same for them

None of them express Sex absolutely

and many of them barely do at all relatively

20,000 BC cave dancing largely maybe would have

but we don't do it anymore because our music expresses things more complexly


Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:54
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

*exasperated*

Yes but Dancing was transformed by the need to express certain moods and ideas into something else: rock.

Its like this: we evolved from fish, but we don't eat zooplankton in the benthic zone anymore.

In 20,000 BC, the tribal constitution was based on the Gens, the family structure, today society bases itself on the Nation State.

The nation state traces back to the Gens, but it expresses new relationships, new ideas and new levels of culture.

See? Dancing may be about mating.... but Rock isn't. If it is, it a regression. Prog is a progression.

Why do I try? Disapprove


Where does jazz fit into this? Bluegrass? Country? Samba? Different forms, different functions, different expressions. No linearity, just parallel and occasionally overlapping sensibilities for distinct effects.


THEY DO

its the same for them

None of them express Sex absolutely

and many of them barely do at all relatively

20,000 BC cave dancing largely maybe would have

but we don't do it anymore because our music expresses things more complexly


Now then, where do hip-hop, techno and reggaeton fit in. It's not 20,000 BC anymore and yet those are pandering to very particular social/sexual needs.


Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 14:58
I don't know if it matters. Rock and Roll can be about sex, or 100 other things. We at this forum obviously know more of the other things than sex - but if people write music about sex - so what? Sex is just sex, I don't see why people make such a big fuss about it over anything else.


Posted By: Anirml
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:02
Sex is overrated. Listening to Some prog is better than the best orgasm i've ever had.

Ups, this came out wrong LOL


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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:02
Originally posted by Anirml Anirml wrote:

Sex is overrated. Listening to some prog is better than the best orgasm i've ever had.


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information

Dead


Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:05
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

*exasperated*

Yes but Dancing was transformed by the need to express certain moods and ideas into something else: rock.

Its like this: we evolved from fish, but we don't eat zooplankton in the benthic zone anymore.

In 20,000 BC, the tribal constitution was based on the Gens, the family structure, today society bases itself on the Nation State.

The nation state traces back to the Gens, but it expresses new relationships, new ideas and new levels of culture.

See? Dancing may be about mating.... but Rock isn't. If it is, it a regression. Prog is a progression.

Why do I try? Disapprove


Where does jazz fit into this? Bluegrass? Country? Samba? Different forms, different functions, different expressions. No linearity, just parallel and occasionally overlapping sensibilities for distinct effects.


THEY DO

its the same for them

None of them express Sex absolutely

and many of them barely do at all relatively

20,000 BC cave dancing largely maybe would have

but we don't do it anymore because our music expresses things more complexly


Now then, where do hip-hop, techno and reggaeton fit in. It's not 20,000 BC anymore and yet those are pandering to very particular social/sexual needs.


No they are not. Hip Hop is about despair and poverty of the mind and body, but its a lot more complex than I can put down, techno- reggaton have their own ways of addressing similar and specific problems.... but it goes far beyond and is not dependent on Sex.

That is the big sticking point. Is any form of modern music DEPENDENT on sex? Only an obscurantist psychoanalyst type would say any aspect of human culture is DEPENDENT on sex.

Maybe its just because I am a materialist and believe DEPENDENCY largely lies with economics. I see that determining music much more than SEX.



Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:05
Sex has a rythmn to it...we all agree on that....Sex came before music...we all agree on that...So I have to deduce that Sex played a major role in the development of ALL music back in the stone age.
 
When apeman boned (sorry) apewoman....he pounded on stones and rocks to show his satisfaction and maybe it was his way of showing appreciation to apewomen by playing her a soothing ROCK songRawks..hmm...works for me!!


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:06
I  expect that the same themes in early rock music (Stone Age) remain popular. Rock (let's call it proto-rock) might have started with a caveman banging rocks together, but that was followed by another type of banging.  Banging is integral to rock and sex.  A band of drummers is a gang bang, incidentally. 

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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:07

The Carpet Crawlers is one of the most explicit sexual songs of all time. The swimmers in the red ochre corridor? C'mon...

But I digress...everything is about sex to some degree because sex is integral in human life. In the grand scale of "How related is XXXXX to sex," I'd say rock n' roll would be "quite a bit." 


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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:07
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

The saying "Sex, drugs and rock & roll" comes from somewhere and has to be based on something.
 
 
I guess music can be about sex lyrically or about sex in terms of part of the mating riitual!  And that can be prog or not prog.


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:10
Originally posted by Anirml Anirml wrote:

Sex is overrated. Listening to some prog is better than the best orgasm i've ever had.
 
Hopefully your luck will improve.


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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.


Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:10
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I  expect that the same themes in early rock music (Stone Age) remain popular. Rock (let's call it proto-rock) might have started with a caveman banging rocks together, but that was followed by another type of banging.  Banging is integral to rock and sex.  A band of drummers is a gang bang, incidentally. 


By the lack of God I'm dealing with a bunch of Pragmatists

Rock couldn't have emerged in the Paelolithic, there was no cultural, technological or economic basis for it! Rock is an expression of the Twentieth Century and complex,  modern problems, needs, conflicts

just as everything is, even spitting at cars from an overhang, even using a portapotty, they all express precise material forces at a point in history and social development

OH BY THE LACK OF GOD WHY AM I WASTING THIS ON A MUSIC FORUM?


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:12
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I  expect that the same themes in early rock music (Stone Age) remain popular. Rock (let's call it proto-rock) might have started with a caveman banging rocks together, but that was followed by another type of banging.  Banging is integral to rock and sex.  A band of drummers is a gang bang, incidentally. 


By the lack of God I'm dealing with a bunch of Pragmatists

Rock couldn't have emerged in the Paelolithic, there was no cultural, technological or economic basis for it! Rock is an expression of the Twentieth Century and complex,  modern problems, needs, conflicts

just as everything is, even spitting at cars from an overhang, even using a portapotty, they all express precise material forces at a point in history and social development

OH BY THE LACK OF GOD WHY AM I WASTING THIS ON A MUSIC FORUM?


Actually, you're dealing with a bunch of absurdists.


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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:21
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

The Carpet Crawlers is one of the most explicit sexual songs of all time. The swimmers in the red ochre corridor? C'mon...

But I digress...everything is about sex to some degree because sex is integral in human life. In the grand scale of "How related is XXXXX to sex," I'd say rock n' roll would be "quite a bit." 
Absolutely.
 
And for teenagers/adolescents multiply that by some random number larger than 1 depending on whether a member of the opposite sex is within sight or simply within thinking-distance.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:23
Occam's razor prevails here......The simplest solution is usually the correct one (or) don't add more to it than is necessary.
If it ain't broke...don't fix it!!
 
Rock and Roll = Sex
 


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:28
Butt seriously speaking, sex is an integral part of the rock & roll movement.  And I think rock & roll quite base (if it's an answer to modern day complexities, it's  very earthy one.  Party on dudes!).  You mentioned Prog, but that is more sophisticated than what I call rock & roll (I still don't think it generally terribly sophisticated, but compared to rock & roll).  Those who worked on progressive rock tried to make more artistic music (more serious music) and of course fused other genres with it and looked to other forms of music.  It is a more sophisticated branch of rock (with academic music aspirations). Of course sex wasn't left out of Prog either, and why should it be?  Lots of us still spend a lot of our time thinking about sex. 

The hippies responded, in part, to the complexities of life by saying "Make love, not war".


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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:32
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Originally posted by Anirml Anirml wrote:

Sex is overrated. Listening to some prog is better than the best orgasm i've ever had.
 
Hopefully your luck will improve.


Sounds like you were dealt a lousy hand. Wink


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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:35
LOL

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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:36
Listening to pneumatic drills is better than the best orgasm I've ever had. Sleepy


Posted By: Anirml
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:44
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Originally posted by Anirml Anirml wrote:

Sex is overrated. Listening to some prog is better than the best orgasm i've ever had.
 
Hopefully your luck will improve.


Sounds like you were dealt a lousy hand. Wink


LOL     Also hard to compare the prog experience with sex Tongue


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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:48
Yes.

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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:48
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Listening to pneumatic drills is better than the best orgasm I've ever had. Sleepy
 
Yikes!!!
 
Or wait...Pneumatic drills...could work...to each his own.


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 15:57
I just want to say, squeeeeze my lemooon.....


Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 19:09
If it wasn't for rock-n-roll I'd have no sex at all.


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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 19:35
All rock & roll is rooted in sex.  Whether or not it's all about sex is another matter.  I can't think of an early blues or rock song that is NOT about sex (well maybe some are about bad luck, but that's just about the lack of sex).
 
An interesting historical note:  in the '40's, country bands were not allowed to play with drummers at the Grand Ole Opry, until Bob Wills was allowed to do so, provided the drummer played  behind a curtain, where he could not be seen.  That's pure fear, my friends, fear of what would happen if people were allowed to hear bands with a full rhythm section.  Which is why all those early blues and rocks artists jumped on the drum thing with a vengeance.  They knew sex when they heard it.
 
 


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 20:51
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

All rock & roll is rooted in sex.  Whether or not it's all about sex is another matter.  I can't think of an early blues or rock song that is NOT about sex (well maybe some are about bad luck, but that's just about the lack of sex).
 
An interesting historical note:  in the '40's, country bands were not allowed to play with drummers at the Grand Ole Opry, until Bob Wills was allowed to do so, provided the drummer played  behind a curtain, where he could not be seen.  That's pure fear, my friends, fear of what would happen if people were allowed to hear bands with a full rhythm section.  Which is why all those early blues and rocks artists jumped on the drum thing with a vengeance.  They knew sex when they heard it.
 
 

My grandfather Ransdell, did not approve of drums or banjos in music. LOL
Relatively speaking I'm descended from people in the Kentucky, Ohio, and Indiana area.


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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 20:57
The majority of popular music of any type is about love, which is implied sex. So I would say that's a correct statement: just because Jon Anderson is a castrato doesn't mean that you can undo the entire career of AC/DC and The Rolling Stones. 

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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 21:09
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

*exasperated*

Yes but Dancing was transformed by the need to express certain moods and ideas into something else: rock.

Its like this: we evolved from fish, but we don't eat zooplankton in the benthic zone anymore.

In 20,000 BC, the tribal constitution was based on the Gens, the family structure, today society bases itself on the Nation State.

The nation state traces back to the Gens, but it expresses new relationships, new ideas and new levels of culture.

See? Dancing may be about mating.... but Rock isn't. If it is, it a regression. Prog is a progression.

Why do I try? Disapprove


Where does jazz fit into this? Bluegrass? Country? Samba? Different forms, different functions, different expressions. No linearity, just parallel and occasionally overlapping sensibilities for distinct effects.


THEY DO

its the same for them

None of them express Sex absolutely

and many of them barely do at all relatively

20,000 BC cave dancing largely maybe would have

but we don't do it anymore because our music expresses things more complexly


Now then, where do hip-hop, techno and reggaeton fit in. It's not 20,000 BC anymore and yet those are pandering to very particular social/sexual needs.


No they are not. Hip Hop is about despair and poverty of the mind and body, but its a lot more complex than I can put down, techno- reggaton have their own ways of addressing similar and specific problems.... but it goes far beyond and is not dependent on Sex.

That is the big sticking point. Is any form of modern music DEPENDENT on sex? Only an obscurantist psychoanalyst type would say any aspect of human culture is DEPENDENT on sex.

Maybe its just because I am a materialist and believe DEPENDENCY largely lies with economics. I see that determining music much more than SEX.



Two words:

Sex sells.


Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 21:10
Being in a band and having ladies crawling all over me, I can easily say that yes, rock and roll is closely correlated with sex


Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 21:46
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

All rock & roll is rooted in sex.  Whether or not it's all about sex is another matter.  I can't think of an early blues or rock song that is NOT about sex (well maybe some are about bad luck, but that's just about the lack of sex).
 
An interesting historical note:  in the '40's, country bands were not allowed to play with drummers at the Grand Ole Opry, until Bob Wills was allowed to do so, provided the drummer played  behind a curtain, where he could not be seen.  That's pure fear, my friends, fear of what would happen if people were allowed to hear bands with a full rhythm section.  Which is why all those early blues and rocks artists jumped on the drum thing with a vengeance.  They knew sex when they heard it.
 
 

My grandfather Ransdell, did not approve of drums or banjos in music. LOL
Relatively speaking I'm descended from people in the Kentucky, Ohio, and Indiana area.
I'm fairly certain my grandmother in SE Kansas did not approve of ANY music heard outside of a church.  LOL

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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 10:41
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

All rock & roll is rooted in sex.  Whether or not it's all about sex is another matter.  I can't think of an early blues or rock song that is NOT about sex (well maybe some are about bad luck, but that's just about the lack of sex).
 
An interesting historical note:  in the '40's, country bands were not allowed to play with drummers at the Grand Ole Opry, until Bob Wills was allowed to do so, provided the drummer played  behind a curtain, where he could not be seen.  That's pure fear, my friends, fear of what would happen if people were allowed to hear bands with a full rhythm section.  Which is why all those early blues and rocks artists jumped on the drum thing with a vengeance.  They knew sex when they heard it.
 
 
 
I remember a blues song or two about eating pork and beans and plenty of chickens.


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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 12:41
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

[QUOTE=Logan]Without sex there would be no rock & roll.


are you saying that a Eunuch would find no reason to express himself in Rock music? These kind of people do exist - and do love music. Sorry, but music is independent from sexual drives.

Even love, which expresses simply a lack of creativity and a going for the lowest common denominator of human experience, is not about Sex entirely. But this is a consequence of a low level of culture in lyrics. Not music and certainly not in the potentiality of music.
 

The original concepts were divided into 2 parts. The lyrics from blues masters and original rock n' roll artists made references to sex. The showmanship of entertaining a wild and drunk crowd, such as dance moves, playing the guitar behind your back (years before Hendrix), and dressing to look attractive and sexy. The lyrics were about sex but, it was more of an honest concept regarding life because many of the blues masters were subjected to slavery. The idea of having some good ole' fashion fun between men and women was very deprived to blues and rock and roll people by the slave drivers. This was a way for them to release the tension. Many of the lyrics that make reference to sex are written in puzzles during this time period. If you take notice, much of it has to do with voodoo and mojo. They were just writing about their environment.

It was the stadium rock era that commercially mixed sex with rock and roll or just rock music that was most offensive to me. More than the Elvis thing, it persuaded generations of people to connect sex with rock music as a whole. As a child you study an instrument and then when you hit the age of 18, you might be asked to dress a certain way or wear your hair in a style that you find revolting. You might think.....Well, all I know is that I've been studying an instrument for years and now I'm dressing up in circus clothes? What does this have to do with all my dedication? Nothing. It's the entertainment business. It's one thing to come out of a life of slavery and abuse and write about sexual desire but, for 70's bands to copy that, dress in jeans and loose shirts, and have your picture on the front of Circus magazine is cornball and stupied. And it's all quite planned that way by the industry. There is humour to it as well. Canned Heat would often sing about how a guy was too ugly or nerdy for sex and that cracked me up! The most insulting aspect to this is how society gets the wrong impression about rock musicians. Many blues songs that were later transformed into rock n roll progressions were lyrically about misfortune and death. The rock band FREE had some songs like this that I didn't mind so much. However, the sexual content reached more people than the artistic side of things. During the early 70's Todd Rundgren, Spooky Tooth and even the rock band Heart would write songs that relayed an odd experience of their's or a strange and different subject matter in general. They were forced to dress sexy but, for rock bands had more depth with their lyrical expression then maybe people like Ted Nugent or Foghat which turned my stomach even more due to the extreme difference in their identity.    


Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 18:18
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

All rock & roll is rooted in sex.  Whether or not it's all about sex is another matter.  I can't think of an early blues or rock song that is NOT about sex (well maybe some are about bad luck, but that's just about the lack of sex).
 
An interesting historical note:  in the '40's, country bands were not allowed to play with drummers at the Grand Ole Opry, until Bob Wills was allowed to do so, provided the drummer played  behind a curtain, where he could not be seen.  That's pure fear, my friends, fear of what would happen if people were allowed to hear bands with a full rhythm section.  Which is why all those early blues and rocks artists jumped on the drum thing with a vengeance.  They knew sex when they heard it.
 
 
 
I remember a blues song or two about eating pork and beans and plenty of chickens.
I believe those were euphemisms for...well let's just say it has nothing to do with food.  I don't think Howlin' Wolf's Little Red Rooster was a bird at all Wink
 
Same with the line "I eat more chicken any man ever seen" from Back Door Man, and I'd also say that back door has nothing to do with a houseLOL


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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 18:23
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Without sex there would be no rock & roll.
Without sex we wouldn't exist, so...


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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 18:45
Hmm when I was in High School a six pack of beer and Led Zeppelin IV were the best aphrodisiacs around. 

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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 20:00
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Hmm when I was in High School a six pack of beer and Led Zeppelin IV were the best aphrodisiacs around. 
When I was in high school, a six pack of beer and Led Zep III left my Little Red Rooster just a scrappin' 'round the barnyard LOL

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Posted By: Stonebolt
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 19:08
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

I don't want to lead the witness or anything.... but with the release of "the Runaways" there is a clamor again to say: rock and roll is about sex.

I thought, what rock? Stupid, vulgar, amateurish non-rock? Prog has much higher ambitions, even at the relative low ends of the genre, than the "pelvic thrust."
 
I think your saying something a bit pretentous about subject matter.
 
In my mind, a piece of art's level of quality, and it's level of sophistication, (which let's remember are two COMPLETELY different things) is not about its subject matter but rather how you approach the subject matter.
 
Just because a work of art was inspired by sex doesn't mean it's bad. Sure it inspires a lot of pretty basic stuff, but it has just as much potential for inspiring works of genuis as anything else.



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