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Topic: Cirrha Niva (June 2010)Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Subject: Cirrha Niva (June 2010)
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 13:19
Cirrha Niva from Holland has been around since 1993 and have released some albums. Although they are not the most known band in the scene, they are still an interesting band.
I got in touch with the band and Rob Willemse, founder & guitarist of Cirrha Niva, answered my many questions.
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When was
Cirrha Niva formed and do you have any background from other bands
?
I
started this band long time ago, early ‘90’s. We’ve had several line-up changes
in the course of time and made several records. Our latest release however is
the result of all those changes over the years; For Moments Never Done is
according to all the international reviews one of the finest progmetal albums
ever, well, that’s what they wrote, I can’t help it. The current band members
have all their individual backgrounds and played in several bands before Cirrha
Niva, non of them however gained any popularity or satisfaction with it. We hope
to change all that now with Cirrha Niva.
Whose
bands were you influenced by ?
A
lot to mention, we all have our own taste. Vocalist Legrand hardly listens to
metal, he likes Blues Traveller a lot, even carries a tattoo of them, but he
also like Johnny Cash and the Dixie Chicks (I guess for the music?). Carlo the
guitarist listens to the heavy stuff like Meshuggah and Carcass, everything with
lots power and Floyd Rose, hihi. Daniel our bass player also likes a lot of
music for instance: Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater but his all time favourite are
The Doors. Our new drummer Wiebe Slime is into Jazz and the progressive side of
metal like Circus Maximus, Planet X and everything with Virgil Donati in
it.
I myself
listens and like to all of the above, I can even add Original Soundtracks,
Singer/Songwriters/ Blues and the Frank Sinatra crooner style to it. The best
band ever is and stays; Psychotic Waltz.
To start
with; please give me your (long or brief) thoughts and lowdowns
on.......
The
Mirror World Dimension from 1997
This is
our very first self financed CD ever. Before this we only recorded demo-tapes
like the Alighieri’s Roots tape and After The Darkness. This CD is probably hard
to get. I think we’ve sold the last copy somewhere during the Liaison shows in
2002. That particular one came with the autographs of the existing line-up of
that time, even more rare nowadays.
We
record TMWD in the winter of 1996 in a studio called Double Noise. In the
mid-nineties this was a famous underground studio in Tilburg, nowadays it’s not
in function anymore. In 120 hours we had to finish the job, luckily we came well
prepared in the studio, so there weren’t many unpleasant surprises that I can
recall.
Although
the tracks on this album lost their strength over the years in comparison with
our newer releases, I still feel very tight with this album. Maybe because it’s
our ‘first born’, maybe because it’s so close to my roots, I don’t know. You
should read some of the reviews that were written to understand that feeling and
keep in mind: we were a ‘new’ band at the time.
The 4th
song on the album ‘Weaveworld’, was the oldest one back then. Our 1st singer
didn’t liked it that much, because it was something too progressive. This song
was in fact the base of all the material we were about to write from that moment
on. He left the band but turned up for a guest appearance on Liaison De La Morte
(2001).
Enter
the Future Exit from 1999
These
are the first two songs composed in the line-up that recorded No More Psychosis,
a demo-cd in between the 1997 and the 1999 album, we never sold NMP officially,
but there must be some copies out there somewhere. Enter The Future Exit was
recorded in our rehearsal room in two days. Only the vocals were done a few days
later at the producers home. First we hit drum and bass on tape, after that we
did the guitars and finally the keyboard player did his keys. Guitar solo’s were
done at the latest possible moment and under great pressure, time was running
out. That’s what I remember from it now. I wish I could travel in time. But
still I am more that happy with the outcome. I would almost believe these are
the best two song written in this line-up. We of course, for the first time, had
the opportunity to involve keyboards into our music. That came to the point that
we even have some guitarless minutes in Sky Décor. This is a way of composing we
used in my opinion in a wider and better way on the Liaison album, which we
recorded 2 years later.
The
idea with this CD was the same as with No More Psychosis. That mend we wanted to
get some record companies interested, so we made ETFE as a ‘promotional use
only’ CD. But after playing these songs live during our gigs with Skyclad &
Lacuna Coil, we soon realized that the response was huge. People wanted to buy
the album with these particular two songs on it. But there was no such album.
That made us decide to change the artwork and to search for some bonus material
and to release it as a official mini-CD.
The
live songs were recorded in the (at that time) newly built 013 venue, during The
Heavy Metal Christmas Party Festival, were we headlined. Concerning the
instrumental song The Dream, that was recorded on that evening, I can’t remember
playing it live more often after that. It was in fact a re-arranged version of a
song we wrote years before, that was called The Dream Or Reality, only we
deleted all the vocal parts. And I also wanted a track from our 1st
CD as a bonus track on this mini-CD. Luckily Redemption Denied was also the best
recorded, most powerful and well played song, so we didn’t had any argue on
that. I thought it would also be nice for the fans to have, because it was by
all means the best track of our debut album, now to hear in a live version with
a totally different and for that time improved line-up. Haha, we seem to improve
with every line-up change, haha. Today I am still very proud of this
album.
Liaison De La
Morte from 2001
Nowadays
I see this production as the closing of a chapter. The theatrical concept
chapter. For sure ‘Liaison de la Morte’ is the most ambitious release we’ve done
so far. It all came forth out of one little thought “Let’s make a concept
album”
We
just had finished a song that we called ‘Nightwish’it clocked around 9 minutes.
But still we had to leave out an enormous amount of ideas. So, we gave the
concept album idea a serious thought. It was a lot of work, not only I had to
write a concept story and re-write the ‘Nightwish’ lyrics, we also changed the
song again.
Our
manager directly anticipated with the idea to visualize this story also on
stage. Costumes, décor, attributes, dancers, theatre make-up (not the Kiss or
Cradle of Filth corps paint thou), theatre, all of that! All the preparations
took the band and the crew (approx. 25 devoted volunteers) 1,5 years of work
before we could perform the story on stage.
But I’ll
skip the live & design stories and focus on the album.
During
Summer 2001 we booked 2 months in Dutch SingSing to record ‘Liaison de la
Morte’. We came well prepared but changed a lot of things at the last moment.
Spontaneous whispering vocal parts were added, other vocal parts changed ect.
ect. All unexpected things that we couldn’t foresee. And I’m not even mentioning
all the technical sh*t we had to go through.
It was
not like the other albums we recorded. We didn’t play each and every song
separately. Because of the length of the individual songs we thought of dividing
each song in a few parts. The result was that the energy in the
11thminute would still
be the same as in the 1st.
We also
worked with choir parts for the first time. On the album you can hear two
choirs. The nicest thing about the first choir was that we thought of all the
vocal lines ourselves. The 2nd choir was called PoS choir, and this
is the abbreviation of the band Pain of Salvation, Daniel Gildenlow wrote and
recorded this part for us.
A
difficulty that we had never dealt with before was all songs had to be connected
to the previous one Most difficult thing was to keep the structure of the songs
in mind and not to forget something. I remember an evening were we listened to
the recordings we’ve done the days before when someone said: “don’t you play
strings here?” And yes, we forgot to record sounds produced by the SPD11 midi
sound pads. These things were happening a few times and gave us a kind of scary
un-relaxed feeling at certain points. Also unforgettable was the recording of a
drum/percussion part in ‘Melancolique’. Peter was ill, so the rest of us had to
play his part. “Does anyone knows what he’s doin’right there?’ Afterwards while
listing the final recordings Peter noticed that we didn’t played the parts the
way he normally did…Now we find it funny but back then it wasn’t, I assure
you!
I’m very
proud of this album. Although I also hear the lack of a real producer. If we
recorded it like we have recorded For Moments Never Done I guess it would really
be a killer album, production & vocal wise. Well, the years that followed
gave us anyway a lot of name and credit. We played a lot, had great times and
gained a busy touring schedule.
For Moments Never
Done from 2009
Yeah,
this is in my opinion the best Cirrha Niva album so far.
The
line-up has changed in comparison to the previous album. It changed so much that
we even considered changing the band name, but luckily we didn’t. First we
parted ways with the guitarist, bassist and keyboard player and got Carlo and
Daniel in return. They brought fresh ideas and new skills to the band. We also
searched a while for a new keyboard player, but gave up in the
end.
On the
album you can hear Joost van den Broek (After Forever, Star One). We gave him
carte blanc to dress up some songs on the album, which he did just fine. We are
very happy and proud of it.
Also
Legrand entered the band, this was the biggest and most important improvement in
years.
Not only
for the sound of our music but also for the direction that we
headed.
You
should know that we were writing a new concept album before Legrand joined the
band. But as he isn’t very fond of this ‘arty-farty’ style, we skipped it
completely…more than 70 minutes of music down the drain. Well, almost…we kept
the best parts and even some songs made it on FMND, however drastically changed
compared to their original form. We are talking about Running From The Source
and Framed.
After we
had written and fine tuned all the songs we thought about some guest musicians.
Vocalist
Robin de Groot (Chiraw) emphasizes with his grunts and screams 'The Fooling' and
vocalist Manda Ophuis (Nemesea) sings with Legrand in 'Dreamon'. Bouke Visser
plays a heartbreaking Floydian Saxophone solo in 'Spring Before Winter'. And the
spoken words in Hebrew of Yuval Kramer (Amaseffer) are completing the theme of
'Golan Heights'. And like I said keyboard player Joost van den Broek who added
spherical elements to the album with piano, Hammond organ and
soundscapes.
I
mentioned the production of this album in the Liaison part above to underline
it’s importance. We think all the songs are honest, well written and when
stripped down to acoustic version they can still keep their strength (we know so
because we played some acoustic gigs with FMND songs). But due to the Split
Second Sound studio and their producers this album is what it is right now. And
you should read all the reviews or listen to it to know what I
mean.
There was an eight
years long break between Liasion and Moments. What happened ?
Like I
said, we changed the line-up. After the release of the Liaison album in 2001 we
played a lot. In 2003 we played the last Liaison de la Morte Rockopera, by that
time we already had a replacement on guitar, as our guitarist was ill. Early
2004 Carlo and shortly after Daniel joined the band and we started to work on a
new concept album, we made new songs, a new storyline, new photo’s, video’s
artwork, backdrops and so on. We took the songs to Split Second Studio and they
advised to spend some extra time on the vocal parts, which we did. But this
resulted in the fact that our vocalist at that time didn’t felt very comfortable
with that, so he left in February 2007. Few weeks later we came across Legrand
and that was the beginning of the new Cirrha Niva era.
All
your albums has been released through Parnassus. Please tell us more about this
record label and how the distribution of your albums has been and is.
It is
our own label, we have a ‘do it yourself’ mentality. We are the ones who know
exactly what we want, every time someone else is doing thing for us we are not
happy with the outcome, so that’s why.
The
distribution is done by Suburban, The End Records and EMP/Large merchandising
and we are very pleased with them.
Your
latest albums is from 2009. What is the latest update on your band and what is
your plans for this year ?
The
first thing is to get our new drummer Wiebe Slim familiar with our songs. Former
drummer Tommy White was forced to leave the band because of health problems. His
problems started at the end of 2009 and resulted in the fact that we played live
with a temporary drummer, Eelco van de Meer. Eelco playes in a death metal band
called Etherial and he helped us out during the live gigs. Wiebe also did one
gig as Eelco couldn’t do that particular show. And Wiebe stayed!
Wiebe is
very talented so we expect he has everything under control very soon. After that
we start to write new songs and in between play on some great festivals like
Alcatraz Metal Fest, Zwarte Cross Festival, Roadgrill and Occultfest to name a
few.
How was the
writing and creative processes in your band ?
Everyone has
ideas and we try to use all of them. We simply jam a bit or work on a riff or a
melody and see where it will bring us. That’s normally how it goes. If Legrand
want some parts longer or shorter to match his vocal lines we do so…in the end
we all have to like it and whatever we do: it must be an improvement to the
song.
How would you
describe your music and which bands would you compare your music with
?
That’s a
tough one. Everyone files us under the progressive metal, and many bandmanes are
dropped from Dream Theater to Nevermore, from Iron Maiden to Candlemass.
Everyone should just listen for them selves I think.
You have a very
good reputation as a live band. How easy/difficult is it to get gigs these days
?
Thank
you, nice to hear that! Often people say that we have more power and energy live
than on the album, that’s a good thing I guess. It’s not that easy to get gigs
nowadays, but the new album and all the positive reviews seem to help us a
lot!
What is your five
favourite albums of all time ?
Are 6
albums also okay? I could think of many others like Ennio Morricone’s Once upon
a time…and Misplaced Childhood by Marillion, but let’s stick to the following
ones. It's a random order and it’s my personal list.
Pink
Floyd - Wish
You Where Here
David
Lee Roth -
Skyscraper
Eagles,
the - Hotel
California
Psychotic
Waltz - Into
the Everflow
Anacrussis -
Screams & Whispers
Jeff
Wayne - The
War of the Worlds
Anything you want
to add to this interview ?
Thank
you for your interest in our band and thank you for the very cool review you
made on our album!
Keep up
the good work!! And we wish Tommy lots of good luck and a quick
recovery.
Cheers
Rob, Cirrha Niva.
A big thank you to Cirrha Niva for this interview.
Their PA profile can be found http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4912 - and their homepage is http://www.cirrhaniva.nl/ -
Replies: Posted By: progmetalhead
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 14:02
Thanks Torodd. Excellent choice
Great band, fantastic album, fully deserving their presence in my top 5 albums for last year.
Some excellent reviews of FMND particularly from Olav and Raff.
Do yourself a favour and get the album, you won't regret it.