Time to rate Dark Side of the Moon
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Topic: Time to rate Dark Side of the Moon
Posted By: paganinio
Subject: Time to rate Dark Side of the Moon
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 11:10
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Rate every track, the cover art, the female vocals, and then the album (out of five). The album rating is not necessarily an average of the track ratings. Also tell us: how dark do you think this album is (out of five)? my answer: Speak to Me, Breathe  On the Run Time The Great Gig in the Sky Money Us and Them Any Colour You Like Brain Damage Eclipse cover art female vocals album level of darkness so why's this in the Top 10 and Lists forum? because it's a list of ratings! ------------- 
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 11:13
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my answer: Speak to Me, Breathe  On the Run Time The Great Gig in the Sky Money Us and Them Any Colour You Like Brain Damage Eclipse cover art female vocals album level of darkness
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 11:21
You don't like Breathe Paganinio? Weirdo 
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 11:30
Everything is pefect on that album, don't even question it, perfect  ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 11:32
Anything with whiny roger waters and his do-nothing crew gets a low rating from me 
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 11:36
^ How come, they were pre-1989  
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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 11:51
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My Answer: Speak to Me ** Breathe **** On the Run ** Time **** The Great Gig in the Sky ***** Money ***** Us and Them ***** Any Colour You Like **** Brain Damage ***** Eclipse **** Cover Art ***** Female Vocals **** Album **** Darkness Level (?) ** ------------- 
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Posted By: Progist
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 11:58
Five stars for all except 'level of darkness', as I don't know what it mean; but probably 5 anyway 
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Posted By: yasko
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 11:59
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speak to me * Breathe **** On the run ***** Time **** great gig in the sky ***** Money * Us and them ***** Any colour you like ***** Brain damage ***** Eclipse ***** Cover art ***** Female vocals *** Album ***** Darkness level no = Philosophical level = ***** |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 12:01
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Speak to Me **
Breathe *** On the Run ** Time **** The Great Gig in the Sky **** Money *** Us and Them **** Any Colour You Like *** Brain Damage **** Eclipse **** Cover Art ***** Female Vocals **** Album **** Darkness level **** ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 12:05
Speak to Me, Breathe  On the Run Time The Great Gig Money Us and Them Any Colour You Like Brain Damage Eclipse cover art female vocals album level of darkness
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 12:49
Speak To Me/Breathe 
On The Run
Time The Great Gig In The Sky Money Us And Them (yes, there are 6)Any Colour You Like Brain Damage Eclipse Cover art Female vocals (hate em on Great Gig, but everywhere else I like them quite a bit)album darkness |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 13:39
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Speak to Me, Breathe On the Run Time The Great Gig in the Sky Money Us and Them Any Colour You Like Brain Damage Eclipse cover art female vocals album level of darkness ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 13:46
Or you can read my review of the album. 
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 13:56
Just have, and agree with every single word of your thoughts Robert. This album is a phenomenon and crucial to the history of this great genre. The lyrics and Waters thoughts are timeless, and I guarantee this will still be listened to in 200 years time. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Epignosis wrote:Posted By: kole
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 14:11
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Speak to Me ***
Breathe **** On the Run ** Time ***** The Great Gig in the Sky ***** Money **** Us and Them ***** Any Colour You Like **** Brain Damage **** Eclipse ***** Cover Art ***** Female Vocals **** Album ***** Darkness level **** |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 15:38
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Speak to Me, Breathe (3,not a bad start)
On the Run (2, dull and dated) Time (5, my favourite Floyd track) The Great Gig in the Sky (4, unique!)
Money ( 3, never really liked this but still very recognisable and different) Us and Them (4 ,great track) Any Colour You Like (3 ,okay nice synth work) Brain Damage ( 3, beginning to lose interest at this point) Eclipse (2 , good its finished!) cover art (3 , does nothing for me but is very original and helped sell zillions) female vocals (5 , one of the best features of this album) album (3 , much prefer the next 3 albums) level of darkness (1 , laughable to call this 'dark') |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 15:42
Waters didn't sing on DSotM. |
Posted By: idiotPrayer
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 16:15
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Speak to Me, Breathe On the Run Time The Great Gig in the Sky Money Us and Them Any Colour You Like Brain Damage Eclipse cover art female vocals album level of darkness ish, occasionally more/less |
Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 16:36
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I agree with those who think that "The Great Gig in the Sky" and "Us and Them" are no less than 5 star affairs. They also demonstrate the creative contributions of Rick Wright, in case there were any doubts. OP - shame on you for missing the mark on those two tracks! I don't understand how anyone can rate "Eclipse" more than one star, either. Poor musical composition, worse lyrics, and the only positive thing about it is that it makes that droll song before it seem better by contrast.
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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 16:55
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 17:52
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 17:55
I agree with the Us And Them statement. However, The Great Gig In The Sky is awful. Just screaming over a piano, nothing else. And Eclipse works just amazing as an album closer. As a single track, it's nothing much. But as a closer, it's breathtaking. And Brain Damage is a fun little song I think. |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 18:12
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Speak to Me/Breathe: 4 Stars On the Run: 4 StarsTime: 5 Stars
The Great Gig in the Sky: 5 Stars
Money: 4 Stars
Us and Them: 4 Stars
Any Colour You Like: 4 Stars
Brain Damage: 4 Stars
Eclipse: 3 Stars
Cover Art: 4 Stars
Femal Vocals: 3 Stars (2 if it weren't for "Gig")
Overall Album: 4 Stars
Darkness Level: 2 Stars (there is much creepier stuff out there.)
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 19:26
Well, this is just incorrect and not a matter of opinion.
My opinion will remain the same. The lyrics are about as imaginative as "Every Breath You Take" by The Police. And, coincidentally, "Eclipse" does not take my breath away, in case The Police are watching me. 
Yeah, so never mind the "screaming" if you find the song "fun." To me, it is lyrically droll and musically uninteresting. Edgar Allen Poe writes with creative genious about insanity. Roger Waters writes at a tenth grade level on the subject. |
Posted By: TheClosing
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 19:33
Truth.
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 20:27
Zappa had a brain fart. Waters smelled it and wrote The Wall. Opinion.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 20:27
Pardon me. Waters doesn't sing in the lead on DSotM.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 20:59
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Speak to Me, Breathe ------------- 
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Posted By: TheClosing
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 23:26
The Grand Wazoo tripped on a shoe, and suddenly caught amnesia. A child at heart Zappa did fart, and thought to himself eureka! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 22 2010 at 00:50
| I used to hate Great Gig In The Sky until I saw it performed live by The Australian Pink Floyd.There is nothing else like it in prog. |
Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: June 22 2010 at 03:27
The Album Is Dark 5 out of 5
my overall ratings minus the female vocal rating because thats unrateable 5/5
Overall shibumi
100 out of 100
never really understood this album trackwise, like it sounds (the order) different every time
The most beautiful prog album ever imo  
more tea anyone------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: June 22 2010 at 03:39
------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: progman2010
Date Posted: June 22 2010 at 04:08
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Speak to Me, Breathe Nice On the Run CoolTime Very goodThe Great Gig in the Sky
AnnoyingMoney Bit boringUs and Them Bit depressingAny Colour You Like BlandeBrain Damage Not badEclipse DecentThe first 3 songs are the best for me. Album gets 3.5 stars from me
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: June 22 2010 at 06:56
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 22 2010 at 07:32
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Seems bit weird to me to try separate the tracks as i see the whole thing as one complete Masterpiece !!!.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 22 2010 at 11:03
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Speak to Me, Breathe On the Run Time + >>> the fist peak of the albumThe Great Gig in the Sky
Money Us and Them Any Colour You Like Brain Damage + >> this is with Time, the album's climaxEclipse Concept
Lyrics + >> so many classic lyric lines in that album.... It's a refereencecover art female vocals >> who cares?? not an issue, but still quite good. album + >>> you can't get a more referrential album that thislevel of darkness >>> extremely strong lyrics, but not necessarily meant to be dark (the music isn't)------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Klogg
Date Posted: June 22 2010 at 14:57
| I'm the only one that thinks that DSotM is boring? |
Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: June 22 2010 at 15:00
No, you're not.
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Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: June 22 2010 at 15:17
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The Group Pink Floyd is weird. Rogers is a crybaby. They all probably argue like crazy. Gilmores a recluse.
Tick toc drives me crazy
though I'd someth...nevermind ------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: esky
Date Posted: June 23 2010 at 14:05
| It is? |
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 06:50
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Speak to Me/Breathe: *** On the Run: *** Time: ***** The Great Gig in the Sky: *** Money: *** Us and Them: ***** Any Colour You Like: *** Brain Damage: **** Eclipse: *** Cover Art: **** Femal Vocals: *** Overall Album: *** Darkness Level: ** Have never been a big fan of this album. Us and Them is IMHO the best song on the album. It did raise the bar and change how albums were produced, which was a huge impact on the recording industry, but musically I never thought this a particularly interesting Floyd album. What it did do for Pink Floyd, was make them more accessible to a wider audience. Musically it is not there greatest work.
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: June 24 2010 at 07:09
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Speak to Me/Breathe: **
On the Run: ** Time: ***** The Great Gig in the Sky: *** Money: ** Us and Them: ***** Any Colour You Like: *** Brain Damage: ***** Eclipse: ***** Cover Art: * Female Vocals: *** Overall Album: *** Darkness Level: * Last two tracks are easily the best for me. ------------- 
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Posted By: Xanthous
Date Posted: June 28 2010 at 21:14
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Speak to Me, Breathe On the Run Time The Great Gig in the Sky Money Us and Them Any Colour You Like Brain Damage Eclipse cover art female vocals album level of darkness Get rid of the female vocals, The Great Gig in the Sky, and add longer instrumentals and I would vote it for five star easily.
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Posted By: stegokitty
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 20:24
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Hmmm ... well, I can now cross this fellow off my list of people to trust when it comes to recommending good music.
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Posted By: stegokitty
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 20:32
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I can't quite understand how anyone can rate anything on this album (or Wish You Were Here) as anything less than perfection. Every track is without equal. For that matter Pink Floyd is without equal. I have to wonder if those who think to rate "On The Run" or "Eclipse" or any of these tracks as sub par, are the sort of people who think a movie is boring unless it has a car chase and a karate scene in it.
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 20:52
| Perfect album. No need for a breakdown... It should be taken as a whole, really. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 20:54
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Perfect?.................No
But it's so transcendental for the evolution of Progressive Rock, that I can't rate it with less than 5 stars.
There's Prog before DSOTM and after DSOTM.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 21:13
Explain this. Come on Ivan, I know you're better than just saying "it's not perfect". I gave you fuel so let's start a f**king fire!!  |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 23:07
Not need for fire it's simple for me.
According to my taste, even when DSOTM has superb moments like Claire Torry's solo, Money is simply not in the level, and makes the difference between a perfect album and an extremely good one..
But if you ask 1,000 persons which Prog Rock album you are familiar with, probably 1,000 will say Dark Side of the Moon before any other one, and this deserves a lot of recognition.
Love the female chorus and find the art cobver very imaginative.
Iván
BTW: I never give individual ratings to songs and obtain an average, will have to live with this, specially being almost a conceptual album.
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 23:17
| but wouldn't you consider it "progressive" that a band like Floyd would come off of albums like "clouds" and "Meddle" to create a hit single out of Money? |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 23:28
I don't know if Money if Progressive or not, I simply believe sounds out of place in the context of DSOTM.
Iván
EDIT: Being Progressive or not, has no relation with being perfect or not.
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 23:59
perfection all held within the ear of the listener
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Money has become a bit like Stairway To heaven grossly overplayed. That shouldn't affect an opinion on the album as a whole though either so go figure. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 00:02
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I don't consider Dark Side of the Moon a prog album at all. It's pretty much all pop songs. And yet, I consider it a masterpiece of prog. So there. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 00:03
Speak to me - pop?
On the run- pop?
Any color you like - pop?
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 00:11
"Speak to Me" is not a song. "On the Run" is not a song. "Any Colour You Like" is not a song. However..."Breathe," "Time," "Money," "Us and Them," and "Brain Damage" are pop songs. That's over half the album. Still one of my favorite Floyd albums. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 00:13
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I must have been crunching lettuce instead of listening to songs all these years then ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 00:20
A song is something that has lyrics- you "sing" a "song." Definition of a song: a short musical composition with words. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 00:20
------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 00:25
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 00:28
I always try to refer to instrumentals as pieces, if I don't want to be specific I just refer to it as a track, that seems all encompassing enough for me. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 00:30
No...just true. It's a pitfall of the English language. If you call something a "song," there should be lyrics. Otherwise, it's a "piece," "instrumental." or "tune," but not a "song." That's what the word means, plain and simple. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 01:01
Damn straight, Robert. Tell 'em!!! I'm in a pissy mood tonight, so watching anybody get corrected tickles me pink at the moment.
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 01:11
So am I but I'll leave my oxford dictionary on my son's shelf. Not important but to call DSOTM a collection a great pop songs would leave my friends reeling in laughter......Like.....did we really do that? + ( That one's for richard )------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 01:14
| By the way, John Martyn is fantastic. (I'm referring to your avatar, Chris. Not trying to change the subject) |
Posted By: ergaster
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 08:59
Okay, I'll bite. Wish You Were Here--perfection. DSotM--meh. Reasons? Emotional resonance. The former does it for me, first note to last. It is an Entire Experience. I never disliked Dark Side, but it never got higher than "pretty good, excellent production, real serious musical competence, some real fine moments, but overall .... kinda sterile." So....Meh. |
Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 10:48
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5 huge stars across the board. It's Dark Side of the F**n Moon, for crying out loud. I could listen to it every day and never tire of it - I only skip a few minutes of Any Colour You Like, not because it's filler, but because I'm always too excited to wait to experience the finale...
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 10:50
If there are vocals (i.e. singing?) with no lyrics per se, what do you call that? |
Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 10:57
According to Wikipedia's definition of "instrumental": Some recordings which include brief examples of the human voice are typically considered instrumentals. Examples include singles with the following:
A few songs categorized as instrumentals may even include actual vocals, if they appear only as a short part of an extended piece (e.g., " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unchained_Melody - Unchained Melody " (Les Baxter) or " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSOP_%28The_Sound_of_Philadelphia%29 - TSOP (The Sound of Philadelphia) " or " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick_Up_The_Pieces - Pick Up The Pieces " or " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly,_Robin,_Fly - Fly, Robin, Fly " or " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_It_Any_Way_You_Wanna - Do It Any Way You Wanna " or " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonna_Fly_Now - Gonna Fly Now " ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Conti - Bill Conti )). Falling just outside that definition is " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theme_From_Shaft - Theme From Shaft " by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Hayes - Isaac Hayes . ------------- https://www.facebook.com/ShadowCircus/" rel="nofollow - ..::welcome to the shadow circus::.. |
Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 05:10
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Speak to Me/Breathe:
On the Run:
Time: The Great Gig in the Sky: Money: Us and Them: Any Colour You Like: Brain Damage: Eclipse: Cover Art: Female Vocals: Overall Album:  Darkness Level: There is no dark side of the Moon, as a matter of fact it's all dark Money is a very good track which would have fitted very nicely on Wish You Were Here. IMO it interrupts the musical concept that otherwise works so beautifully on DSOTM.
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Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 05:22
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Regarding Money on Wish You Were Here I've often thought that the following track listing would work well: Crazy Diamond (23 minutes)
Money (6.15)
Wish You were Here (5.15)
Have a Cigar (5.15)
Welcome to the Machine (7.15)
DSOTM would be better without Money, WYWH would be better with it.
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 10:00
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^^
Interesting. But I think the title track and Welcome to the Machine should be switched.
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Posted By: stegokitty
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 10:46
Exactly! It's not an album that's permitted to be played in shuffle mode (neither Wish You Were Here, nor The Wall, for that matter).
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Posted By: stegokitty
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 10:53
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[/QUOTE] "Speak to Me" is not a song. "On the Run" is not a song. "Any Colour You Like" is not a song. However..."Breathe," "Time," "Money," "Us and Them," and "Brain Damage" are pop songs. That's over half the album. Still one of my favorite Floyd albums. [/QUOTE] So if a song, or track, or tune, or piece has a catchy tune, that automatically discredits it as "progressive", and automatically classifies it as "pop"? I suppose that means "Eine Madchen oder Wiebchen" (sp?) by Mozart isn't really "classical"? Couldn't it be that much of what is described as progressive isn't really progressive but regressive, as quite a bit of it has unmemorable tunes and wimpy sounding leading vocalists? So I wonder then if "Thick As a Brick" is no longer progressive, since it's a rather catchy tune.
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 11:13
Songs or not, they are still part of the album just as much as the rest, so you can't just ignore them. Thats like saying you should completely disregard instrumentals while looking at an album. And I disagree with Us And Them being pop. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 11:18
That isn't what Pop means at all. It has nothing to do with catchiness. They are pop because they exhibit a pop structure, which is to say, "verse, chorus, verse, chorus, perhaps a bridge, chorus" or something quite similar. Most of the songs on Dark Side of the Moon are thus Pop songs. Pop and progressive are not polar opposites either. That's why we have progressive pop (usually found in Crossover). ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 11:22
I can ignore anything I like. It's called a skip button.  I'm quite frankly tired of people implying that I said something I didn't. Did I say one should disregard any part of the album? No I didn't. So please don't imply that I did. Also, disagree all you want about "Us and Them" being a pop song. It has a verse-chorus-verse-chorus structure. That is what a pop song is. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 11:47
| Yeah, "Us and Them" is one of the most simplistic Prog songs ever. I don't get why people are getting so upset over calling it a pop song. Its structure is actually simpler than most pop songs; it doesn't even have a bridge (ditto for "The Court of the Crimson King.") |
Posted By: stegokitty
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 12:33
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[/QUOTE] That isn't what Pop means at all. It has nothing to do with catchiness. They are pop because they exhibit a pop structure, which is to say, "verse, chorus, verse, chorus, perhaps a bridge, chorus" or something quite similar. Most of the songs on Dark Side of the Moon are thus Pop songs. Pop and progressive are not polar opposites either. That's why we have progressive pop (usually found in Crossover). [/QUOTE] By that standard the Hymn "How Great Thou Art" would be a pop song. I submit, reality submits that it is not a pop song. And again, this would make "Thick As a Brick" a pop song, and virtually everything by Gentle Giant (my pastor's favourite PR band), and just about every song even made, even including the majority report of King Crimson songs (although they made a "pop" song on their "The Power to Believe" CD, "Happy with What You Have to Be Happy With", where they basically poke fun at all of the cookie cutter hard pop songs on the radio waves (of the Nickleback, Hinder garbage ilk). But anyway, it'd be nice for you to produce some proof that the rule is, that if a song has verse, chorus, verse, chorus, plus whatever variation, that that ipso facto makes it a "pop" song. A "pop" song in my understanding is called thus because it's popular. And sometimes the public has it right (as per The Beatles) and sometimes they have it wrong (as per boy bands like NKOTB). Sometimes a song/tune/track/piece is just good and everyone recognizes the fact, no matter the structure. No?
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Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 12:47
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Nothing by Pink Floyd can be considered a "pop" song, even "Another Brick In The Wall" because of it's anti-establishment stance can be considered pop, IMO
However, San Tropez ( not sure I have the title correct) could of been a pop hit, because of it's easy sound, not structure. Easy sound pretty much dictates whats "pop"
Regarding "Us and Them". Easy sound, but much too dark and dim. Not "pop" ------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 12:51
Yes, "How Great Thou Art" could be called a pop song due to its structure. How in the world is "Thick as a Brick" a pop song? Virtually everything by Gentle Giant?  And no, pop in this context is not about being popular per se (except to say that the pop structure is the most popular one and therefore has the widest appeal). If I ask some unknown singer what kind of music he makes and performs, and he says, "I write pop music," then we know he's not meaning popular music (because he isn't popular yet)...yet I still know what he means. How could that be? Even Genesis understood the basic nature of the pop song...they named an album after it. http://cnx.org/content/m10842/latest/ - http://cnx.org/content/m10842/latest/
If a work of music is good, it is an opinion, not a fact. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: stegokitty
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 14:30
To answer the first part, does it not possess verses, refrain, chorus, etc? How is this really any different than a pop song? To answer the second part, because you and the "popsongwriter" are abusing the English language. Sort of like when people use the word "can" as in "Can I use the bathroom?" The moniker "pop music" refers to it's popularity. Whatever consequential meanings have developed around it are exactly that.
Relativistic nonsense. Beethoven's 9th is good, whether anyone living recognizes it or not. Though a man and a cow look at the same sunset, the cow doesn't see it for it's beauty, though it is, objectively, beautiful. And that's a fact.
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Posted By: stegokitty
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 14:31
BTW -- good article. Thanks.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 14:56
"Thick as a Brick" contains far more than verses, refrains, and choruses. It deviates and has multiple complex sections, including instrumental passages. It is not a pop song. Who's abusing the English language? The word "pop" when it comes to music refers to that style which would be popular (having the most appeal). The structure that is the most popular is verse-chorus-verse-chorus, etc. So this would include most country music, by the way. If it makes any difference to you, I have degree in English, and taught the subject for two years, so I'll be glad to inform you that our language is what it is because of hundreds of "consequential meanings" gained and lost over time.
Then please prove to me that Beethoven's 9th is good. And don't say it's good because a lot of people listen to it, like it, or anything of that nature. I want objective proof. And just how do you know what a cow sees? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 15:08
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this is going to be good ------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 15:21
I could make you some POPcorn if you like. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 15:24
 I've got Cheetos though. |
Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 15:29
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Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 15:34
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and Matt, if my avatar meets your avatar on the street..let's just say I like cheetos a whooole lot ------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 15:51
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lets take the song Money actually fits in the "pop" realm, lots of fm play..but nowadays theyv'e censored out the word spelled s-h-eye-t so how does that feel to have a "pop" song now all censored and sh*t thats bs FLOYDnever was and never will be included in any pop genre ------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 15:54
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If Dark Side isn't pop (I'm not saying whether it is or isn't, IDK), it is at least more radio friendly than their previous albums. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 16:12
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At this point in our program I'd like to remind everyone that I rated the damn album a five.
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 16:14
Your review is excellent, I'm sure I've said that before. And I agreed with it IIRC, it's been a while. Reread it, I absolutely agree. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 18:09
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I'm going to need some Money up front.
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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 19:59
Here: 1. Money 2. Have a Cigar 3. Wish You Were Here Just make it an EP. -------------
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Posted By: stegokitty
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 21:01
I can only think of one deviation in TAAB -- and that might simply count as a bridge in a sense. I thought you just said previously that the word "pop" has nothing to do with whether it's a popular song but of the styling of it, that is, whether it's a simple tune or not. While simple tunes are typically the popular ones, it is the word POPULAR from which "pop" derives. And, no, it makes no difference to me what your degrees are or what you've taught. Especially in today's public school system there are many people who are ill-fitted to the task. I'm not suggesting that you are in that dreadful category. In fact I believe you probably did a good job of it, simply based on the way you respond. You're intelligent. However, as I said, knowing about the degree and teaching isn't impressive. And yes, I'm aware of how the English language has evolved from a (mostly) Germanic dialect, with many additions and modifications. At the same time, as per my illustration, while the word "can" is substituted for "may", and while it might be understood contextually, it can cause serious problems in important areas of interpretation, since "can" has to do with ability, and "may" has to do with permission. But that's not the word in question - - the word is "pop", which means popular.
Firstly, if you need objective PROOF that Beethoven's 9th is objectively good, then there's a serious disconnect with your mind and reality. Think of it this way -- if suddenly there was a virus that attacked nearly everyone on the planet, causing them to become blithering idiots, and only three people remained who could still read, and whose minds were not affected, when they read Chaucer, or Emerson, or Poe, or Shakespeare they'd be reading great literature, whether the rest of the world knew it or not. It would take years for new people to be born and educated for them to appreciate the aforementioned, but nothing in the literature has changed. It IS good literature, and it takes an enabled mind to appreciate it. And all of the idiots in the world, no matter how much they protest are wrong if they say otherwise. I don't know what a cow sees, but I know it doesn't appreciate in the same way that a human being does. And let's not continue down this silly road.
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 21:14
You've not been on PA long enough then. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 06 2010 at 09:31
I never said pop didn't come from popular. I said it doesn't mean popular per se. Otherwise all pop songs would be popular, and that's not the case. And yes, I want objective proof, because you are making an objective assertion. I don't really like Beethoven's Ninth. I don't like The Beatles. I don't like Chaucer. And I don't like Emerson. I mean that.
You can't be wrong about good music. The suggestion that you can is infantile at best, and elitist at worst. Opinions are like asses. Everybody's got one, and some of them stink. But every once in a while, you find someone who likes the smell of sh*t. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: stegokitty
Date Posted: July 06 2010 at 12:27
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Firstly, if you need objective PROOF that Beethoven's 9th is objectively good, then there's a serious disconnect with your mind and reality. Think of it this way -- if suddenly there was a virus that attacked nearly everyone on the planet, causing them to become blithering idiots, and only three people remained who could still read, and whose minds were not affected, when they read Chaucer, or Emerson, or Poe, or Shakespeare they'd be reading great literature, whether the rest of the world knew it or not. It would take years for new people to be born and educated for them to appreciate the aforementioned, but nothing in the literature has changed. It IS good literature, and it takes an enabled mind to appreciate it. And all of the idiots in the world, no matter how much they protest are wrong if they say otherwise.
I don't know what a cow sees, but I know it doesn't appreciate in the same way that a human being does.
And let's not continue down this silly road.
NGAAAAHHH! Run for the hills! That imaginary disease is REAL!
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 06 2010 at 12:47
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In the world of Pink Floyd.......DSOTM is a progressive album. If you watch any of the PF documentaries, there is one in cycle on BIO TV right now......They all talk about how the album transformed their sound as they really delved into noises, electronic, synths and such. I think we all agree it was a dramatic influence on their next albums as well as on other artists.
Its hard for me to call a song like Money "pop". Because it was never played on "pop radio" or Top20 radio.....Sure it was a huge FM rock radio hit and still is and always will be. Just because its on the radio does not mean its "pop".
Anyhow it is now a classic album in the general genre of Rock...and always will be. It is a progressive album to me because of how PF recorded it and what it did to their sound and thinking going forward.
It will be played by FM rock stations forever............It will be discussed by progressive music followers forever.
Its a 5
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